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Post# 87286   12/27/2009 at 20:24 (5,223 days old) by jmm63 (Denville, NJ)        

What is everyone's opinions on Dyson? I always thought they were kind of junky, but after looking at them at Sears yesterday, I think my opinion might be changing. I'm looking for an upright that is quiet, powerful, and lightweight. The DC 25 Ball caught my attention. I might be able to snag one off of e-bay that is in my price range. I hate to sound like an old lady, but I'm tired of lugging a heavy vacuum around.

Post# 87294 , Reply# 1   12/28/2009 at 00:35 (5,223 days old) by shanonabc ()        

I have a few Dysons (see pic :P ) and my experience with them has always been positive, I have had issues, but all were caused by myself abusing the machine and due to no fault of the machine or manufacturing process.

I don't own the DC25 so the best person to ask would be Jack (vintagehoover) as he owns it and highly recommends it.

I have the DC24 and love it, But the DC25 just adds more for your money :)

Excuse Mum's messy sewing room :P

Post# 87307 , Reply# 2   12/28/2009 at 09:59 (5,223 days old) by imacmacdaddy ()        
Nice collection

 That is an awesome collection. Mine absolutely pales in comparison. I've been using Dyson's for as long as they been around here in the states, and I have nothing but praise for these machines!

Post# 87308 , Reply# 3   12/28/2009 at 10:10 (5,223 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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I don't own one, but about a week ago I tried out the model with air muscle. I was disappointed with it compared to the Kenmore I had just used. It was really heavy, took awhile to diced what level of carpet it was on, and cleaned more like an Elite with a really worn belt. But I've never been a fan of Dysons, and I've never recommended one to someone. (Mostly becuase they all have shag carpets!)

If you need a lightweightish vacuum, try the Hoover Tempo. It seems lighter than the dyson at Sears, but I don't know the exact numbers.

Good luck with your search!

Post# 87311 , Reply# 4   12/28/2009 at 10:31 (5,223 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        
Well

 I just got a dc24 for xmas and I already love it mine does a great job at my cut shag ( medium pile ) carpet but it does not get the grit and its hose and cord are kind of short but I have herd the dc25 beats the carpet better and it has a longer hose and cord plus it has a larger dust cup

Post# 87313 , Reply# 5   12/28/2009 at 12:51 (5,223 days old) by edgar (Belgium)        
not for me

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It is a personal opinion so please do not atack me for it. As far as the up right models go i can not realy say because I never used one. The canister models have a lot of negative points. The wand is far to short and to thick to be comfortable. The atachments break down real easy, but there service to replace broken parts is fantastic (a plus ;-)) Personaly I do not wish the service because for that kind of money it should not brak down. The cleaning of the filters are a nightmare as also emptying the can. Their design is nice but I think it is time for a change. Over here they cost about 300 to 400 euro's if you want some options. For that kind of money i prefer a Miele, sebo er even a second hand vorwerk.

greetz

Post# 87314 , Reply# 6   12/28/2009 at 14:48 (5,222 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Emptying the bin and cleaning the filters is an issue for you?

Please do share... I have never had a bad experience with either. IMHO it is much easier (and so much cheaper) to empty the bin every now and then and was the filter every few months as opposed to going vacuum bag shopping. Honestly, when I had a bagged machine it had the same bag reused over and over again.

I have also never had issues with anything breaking. Well, except for a turbine tool that was killed by abuse. :P

imacmacdaddy: No! That is a cool collection! I would kill for the blueprint and the DDM MH 22! :)

Post# 87316 , Reply# 7   12/28/2009 at 14:58 (5,222 days old) by edgar (Belgium)        
the collection is cool indeed.

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Nothing wrong with the collection. The things I said above are not realy an isue for me because i do not use it daily. It is something I tried with the dyson dc 8 after getting a lot of complains of dyson owners. I do understand wat they meant. On internet market sides in holland there are a lot off them and it was tested very bad by the consumers company. It lost big time from a bad dyson copy made by philips. TO bad because I love the design.

Post# 87317 , Reply# 8   12/28/2009 at 15:15 (5,222 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

"IMHO it is much easier (and so much cheaper) to empty the bin every now and then and was the filter every few months as opposed to going vacuum bag shopping."

Well, if you don't mind the extra work, then why not a 50-year old Kirby with a Sani-Emtor ;-). IMHO there is no economy, and no CONVENIENCE in a bagless vacuum. Watching the dirt swirl around inside a clear collection bin is a novelty, nothing more. Even with the bin empty, bacteria-laden germs can cling to the sides. Like Edgar said, I would rather put the money it would cost for a new Dyson to something better, like a refurbished Kirby Sentria.

Post# 87318 , Reply# 9   12/28/2009 at 15:36 (5,222 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

'Well, if you don't mind the extra work, then why not a 50-year old Kirby with a Sani-Emtor'

Because the cloth bag will clog, and stay clogged. At least with a paper bag, you 'reset' performance each time you change it! Why not put a particle counter next to the 50-year old cloth bag while it's running, and let us know how much dust it's blowing straight back into the room?

'IMHO there is no economy, and no CONVENIENCE in a bagless vacuum.'

No consumables to buy, and no time spent buying them. No panic if you've run out of bags. I'd call that economy AND convenience.

'Watching the dirt swirl around inside a clear collection bin is a novelty, nothing more.'

No, it's the outer cyclone removing bulky debris from the airstream. The 'swirling' is integral to the function of the design.

'Even with the bin empty, bacteria-laden germs [care to explain that phrase?!] can cling to the sides.'

And I suppose the inside of a cloth outer bag, or hard bag casing, is totally, 100% bacteria free? Hate to disturb anyone's Howard Hughes complex, but everything, everywhere is crawling with bacteria! At least you can wash a dirt bin if you want!

Post# 87319 , Reply# 10   12/28/2009 at 15:37 (5,222 days old) by edgar (Belgium)        
bag shopping??

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I love going shopping, when I have to shop for vacuum cleaners I love it even more. BUt If you did not like to go shopping for bags you would not have to. I do not know how it is over seas but over here you just put the bags on your shopping list and you can easely buy them with the rest of your household shopings that I do once a week.

Post# 87320 , Reply# 11   12/28/2009 at 15:50 (5,222 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

You know Jack, every time I say something bad about Dyson, you have have to bash my comments. If you're so "pro-Dyson" why is your handle VintageHoover? You're cyclonic separation is not a perfect system, if it was, there wouldn't be a need for a pre-motor filter. As of now I will go on record as saying "I HATE DYSON!" He should've kept his machines on the other side of the pond....

Post# 87321 , Reply# 12   12/28/2009 at 16:00 (5,222 days old) by gsohoover (Reidsville, NC)        

I am not a big fan of Dyson.Jmm63 Simplicity is also a great vacuum. You should try a Kirby Heritage. A great vacuum what I think.

Post# 87322 , Reply# 13   12/28/2009 at 16:01 (5,222 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        
Add to my last....

 Isn't it MORE CONVENIENT throwing away a paper bag than having to empty (and wash out) a dust bin and have all the dirt and germs go back into the air???

Post# 87323 , Reply# 14   12/28/2009 at 16:09 (5,222 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
What a very mature attitude!

- I question your comments, Karl. I don't 'bash' them. They're as easy to pick holes in as a 50 year old cloth bag! I must have missed the section of the forum rules which states 'Thou shalt never question the claims of Karl Weissert'.

- My handle is VintageHoover because they are my first and foremost interest. I didn't realise this was politics, and that I had to 'pick and stick' with one brand. I thought it was a forum for vacuum cleaner collectors. Sorry for the confusion.

- It's not 'my' cyclonic separation. I wish it was! That way, I'd be the billionaire!

- Good for you. I'm pleased you've felt able to come out of the closet about your vacuum-brand hating. What a worthy cause to rail against in this day and age!

- Nice to see that little dig at the English there - taking out me and Mr. Dyson in one swipe! You're quite the wit.

Post# 87324 , Reply# 15   12/28/2009 at 16:18 (5,222 days old) by edgar (Belgium)        
Oh Oh

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I am sorry I said anything, lol. It was not my intention to start a discusion. If someone could arange me a pink dyson I will never say anything bad about it again lol.

greetz

Post# 87326 , Reply# 16   12/28/2009 at 16:35 (5,222 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

I have no qualms with the English, quite the contrary, I do have qualms with a machine that is IMHO inferior for the price! If you really feel cyclonic separation does a better job of filtering small particulate matter, then PROVE IT! The dust bag is TIME TESTED, and until a system comes along that actually is better, it will continue to stay long after you and I are gone. You know as well as I do, cyclonic separation is a flawed system, Mr. Dyson hasn't gotten it right as of yet. No matter how many cyclones Dyson adds, it will still suck dust into the motor without a prefilter! You know it, Mr. Copp, and I know it!

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Post# 87327 , Reply# 17   12/28/2009 at 16:50 (5,222 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Refresh my memory:

 Perhaps you could show me where I claimed Dyson's system was perfect (as opposed to a valid alternative to a bagged system)? Just copy and paste the text, or provide me with a link, if you wouldn't mind?

Not entirely sure what the point of the video was; do you feel that an infomercial is an accurate representation of reality? Think David Oreck might be, in some small way, biased? Maybe prejudiced against rival brands?

Post# 87333 , Reply# 18   12/28/2009 at 17:43 (5,222 days old) by jmm63 (Denville, NJ)        

Ok boys, play nice! :) I had a Kirby g4, always wanted one and then when I got it... ehhhhh. No big whoop. I found it cumbersome, heavy, and not very convenient to use. A great cleaner though, but lugging it up and downstairs was a chore. I gave it away to a member of the club when I moved. I purchased a Miele White Pearl from another member of the club, and love it, but again, not always the easiest to drag out for a quick clean. Its the downstairs vac and I'm looking for an upstairs vac. I have a Kenmore Progressive right now and its falling apart. I never liked this vac from the beginning. The Dyson caught my eye because, like I said, its fairly quiet, lightweight, has on board tools (forget about an Oreck for that reason) and would store in a small space in the hall closet. Just wondering if its more hype than performance.

Post# 87334 , Reply# 19   12/28/2009 at 18:49 (5,222 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

I like my DC25. A lot. Just my opinion.

*DISCLAIMER*

Not everyone will like the DC25.

Post# 87335 , Reply# 20   12/28/2009 at 19:03 (5,222 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        
HEY HEY HEY

 This fourm was created to let fellow colectors share eachothers ideas NOT to start WW3!!! Who cares what brands eachother like we ALL have opinions

Post# 87336 , Reply# 21   12/28/2009 at 19:18 (5,222 days old) by edgar (Belgium)        
agree with singingrainbow

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that is exactly how i see it

Post# 87344 , Reply# 22   12/28/2009 at 20:43 (5,222 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        
Oreck Infomercial

 Without any more "bashing," simply stated, Mr. Oreck is trying to show how unsafe, UNSANITARY a bagless vacuum really is. When you have a container that collects dust that must be emptied, you have to deal with emptying that container and some of the particulate matter that you vacuumed up going back into the air. Whether you empty it outside or in the house, unless you are wearing a dust mask, you are breathing some of that back in. Now you tell me, how is that more sanitary than a bagged vacuum with disposable bags? Sure, you don't have the expense of buying replacement bags, but is that such a high price to pay when your family's health may be at stake? Air-Way knew this in 1920 when they developed the first cleaner with a disposable inner bag. It's a shame they stopped making uprights so early on in production.

Post# 87345 , Reply# 23   12/28/2009 at 20:45 (5,222 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        
In conclusion....

 Of course Mr. Oreck would like you to buy an Oreck, just as much as Mr. Dyson would like you to buy his machine, but what Mr. Oreck is saying is that even if you don't buy his machine, bagless is not the way to go....

Post# 87347 , Reply# 24   12/28/2009 at 20:48 (5,222 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
'is that such a high price to pay when your family's

 I empty my Dysons into a bag, outside. I haven't died of it yet, and my family's health is certainly not at stake. I appreciate your concern, though.

Post# 87356 , Reply# 25   12/28/2009 at 21:14 (5,222 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        
Speaking of emptying dirt.....

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I was the guy in our household when I was a kid that had to take the Hoover Model 28 bag down to the basement and get all the crud out of it. I am still alive to tell the story. (I know, some of you wish otherwise, but....tough noogies). And, I have emptied a bagless vacuum bin out too. And I'm still alive.
Jack: Dysons are wonderful
Ohio_Tuec, Bagintheback: I love Orecks and any and all bagged vacuums and I like Dysons and any and all bagless vacuums, too
Disclaimer: Not everyone will like me. And this may not be the total and complete truth....
JL

Post# 87374 , Reply# 26   12/29/2009 at 00:38 (5,222 days old) by vacuumfreeeke ()        

I love Dysons, but I like bagged vacuums too. The attachments on my Dyson (an older DC 14) work well for me and I think it cleans great. I can empty it outside if I chose to, but I never do. The dust it sucked up was already in my home, so the fact that most of it got in the trash is good enough for me. A Dyson certainly beats a bagless that has the paper pleated filter right in the dirt chamber.

I don't mind buying bags and changing them on bagged machines. I don't understand how bagless vacuum manufactures can advocate bagless designs by calling the bagged systems messy and inconvenient. Seems like the pot calling the kettle black to me!

When I use my Dyson, I enjoy seeing the dirt it got up.

My advice to the OP is to try a Dyson. If you're going to get a bagless, I think they are superior to any other brand. If you buy a new one, you can always return it if you don't like it. Not having to be expendable consumables offsets some of the price... and buying a used machine in decent shape does as well. If I needed a good vacuum and I had to have bagless, I'd pay the full price for a new Dyson without hesitation. They aren't perfect, but they are awesome... and I haven't met a perfect vacuum yet anyway.

I'm not sure a vacuum cleaner is supposed to be sanitary. Neither are toilets or cat litter boxes... Some things just weren't designed to be sanitary. If I used my vacuum cleaner to prepare meals, then I would want it to be sanitary! But alas, I use it to clean dirt up (and indulge my passion for the machine itself), so if it's a little dirty, that just means it's working and well used/loved.

Post# 87389 , Reply# 27   12/29/2009 at 09:11 (5,222 days old) by edgar (Belgium)        
Jack, fun colors

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Ok Wel said vacuumfreeke, I still do not like the working very much, but fot collector purpose I do want one. So Jack help me out I like the colors puple and pink, I do like my collection models as complete as possible, I did like the dc11 though it was yelow. What should I look for, All ready found out that they are cheaper in the uk so I will look for it there, and I prefer A canister model.

greetz edgar

Post# 87390 , Reply# 28   12/29/2009 at 09:20 (5,222 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Well, for a pink canister, the DC23T2 should fit the bill.

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Post# 87391 , Reply# 29   12/29/2009 at 09:21 (5,222 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

For purple, the DC19T2:

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Post# 87392 , Reply# 30   12/29/2009 at 09:22 (5,222 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Also for purple, the DC23 Allergy:

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Post# 87394 , Reply# 31   12/29/2009 at 10:36 (5,222 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Keith: Also curious as to any opinions you have on the DC22 DDM MH. I have the DC22 MH with the AC motor and think is a brilliant little machine, Personally I would love to try out the turbine head on one :) Feel free to email me. Email addy in my (out of date) profile

Jack: I absolutely love the 23T2 :)

Edgar: You enquired about buying bags overseas... Well in Australia you usually just can't buy them from a supermarket :( They may have Electrolux bags but that is about it.

For anything else you have to go to a specialty shop or the place where you purchased your machine to get genuine bags. Generic ones are a bit easier to find with one of our major department stores Big W (Think Wal-Mart without food) carrying a small range.

Personally, living 60 kilometres away from any of these it is quite inconvenient :P

When the Electrolux D735 was the daily driver, more often than not we would perform "surgery" on the bag because we weren't able to get more for a while.

When I got the Dyson DC05 it nearly filled the bin in our living room alone.

It is mainly for the inconvenience that I do not like bags. Combined with the whole loss of suction, That drives me nuts.

I am NOT saying bagless is for everyone! Quite the contrary, Different systems work for different people.

Karl: If your Kirby works for you I am really happy for you :), However I believe, FOR MY USE that the Dyson is more economical, Time saving and hygienic.

As for the "UNSANITARY" bagless machines, Does this mean a bagged machine is totally clean? I am going to agree with vacuumfreeeke and say that no vacuum is totally clean.

I have found that since I started using Dysons in our house my Asthma and allergies have been under more control because the machine is not blowing air through dirt, rather spinning it out of the air stream (which is also interesting to watch).

As for emptying... I do what, According to Dyson, I shouldn't... According to Dyson I should empty it like Jack does... Into a baggie. Personally, I find out which way the wind is going, Turn my head, dump the bin in the direction of the wind and close it on the drive way... Never had an issue with doing it this way.

Post# 87396 , Reply# 32   12/29/2009 at 12:47 (5,222 days old) by joe22 ()        
i see in the future. . . .

 i predict the next big *innovation* will be a vac without a bag or dust bin. an internal laser will zap the dirt, hair, dust mites, to smithereens with only a small amount of oxygen and water vapor as the end result. it will be very *green*, NEVER loose suction, and have all the bells and whistles.

it will be the ultimate vac and play toy. i have stated this before so if you want to use my idea mr dyson or mr kirby just call.

joe

Post# 87446 , Reply# 33   12/29/2009 at 19:23 (5,221 days old) by edgar (Belgium)        
thankss

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I think it will be the 23T2 and looking at the price I will take it from london. I hope to go there in march. annybody up for a small vacuum cleaners meeting?

Post# 87458 , Reply# 34   12/30/2009 at 02:50 (5,221 days old) by kirbyg4 ()        
@Jmm63

 lol you're dysons thread got alot more hits than my Kirby's only thread, just goes to show how popularity can help a company, nice thread to.

~Frankie~


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