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Post# 84425 , Reply# 2 11/21/2009 at 17:25 (5,268 days old) by kirbyultimateg  (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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What about the Dyson DC28 upright? | ||
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Post# 84427 , Reply# 4 11/21/2009 at 17:34 (5,268 days old) by kirbyultimateg (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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What is the difference between the Dyson DC17 and the Dyson DC28? Thanks. | ||
| Post# 84428 , Reply# 5 11/21/2009 at 17:34 (5,268 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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Pic of my DC14 Origin: 
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| Post# 84430 , Reply# 7 11/21/2009 at 18:13 (5,268 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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Hi Rob - here's a video which explains the DC28 Airmuscle better than I could! 
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Post# 84433 , Reply# 8 11/21/2009 at 19:12 (5,268 days old) by kirbyultimateg (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Thank you Jack! | ||
| Post# 84435 , Reply# 9 11/21/2009 at 19:16 (5,268 days old) by joe22 () | ||
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like the look of the dc14, even the walmart has the dc25 now. compaired to my fave the royal metal upright they seem over complicated. yet i do want some for my collection, the canisters interest me the most. joe | ||
| Post# 84475 , Reply# 13 11/22/2009 at 04:59 (5,267 days old) by shanonabc () | ||
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Love the clutch on my DC14 Origin Jack... Remember I mentioned the AU Origin machines are clutched... 
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| Post# 84477 , Reply# 14 11/22/2009 at 07:05 (5,267 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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Hi Shanon...yes, I recall our conversation about the Origin models - it was only a few days ago. I'm not that old! | ||
| Post# 84483 , Reply# 15 11/22/2009 at 10:59 (5,267 days old) by shanonabc () | ||
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:P Just because you remember doesn't mean I do! :P | ||
| Post# 84487 , Reply# 17 11/22/2009 at 14:13 (5,267 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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'dyson has not really improved on the 1908 technology... Um, I'd beg to differ on that, Joe! And I never said making something more complicated was better, I just said it wasn't necessarily worse. | ||
| Post# 84564 , Reply# 20 11/23/2009 at 20:48 (5,266 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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And here's their evaluation of the DC25 Animal: 
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Post# 84600 , Reply# 21 11/24/2009 at 11:20 (5,265 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO) |
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DC17
Being a multi-Dyson owner, including the DC17 Animal and the DC25 Blueprint, I have to say that the DC17 is amazing. It does have stiff bristles, but it picks up so much fine dust that even I am astounded. My house is two years old and is regularly vacuumed with TOL machines: Kirby, Miele, Dyson upright or canister, brand new Filter Queen, new Tri-Star, etc. My house is clean. But this DC17 finds the dust. All the Dysons do - they're all great vacuums - but I can't overstate how impressed I am with this brand new DC17. Jack, your posts and videos are first-rate, and I want to tell you how much I enjoy reading your writings and watching your videos. I really appreciate all the time you put into this. You've made collecting Dysons fun, and I've expanded my collection a lot because of you. Patrick | ||
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Post# 84601 , Reply# 22 11/24/2009 at 11:32 (5,265 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO) |
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DC15
Three characteristics really contrast between the DC15 and DC25, all of them in favor of the DC25. First, the mass. The DC15 is ungainly. It's really big and heavy. The DC25 is nimble, by contrast. Second, the structural rigidity. The DC15 feels as though it has too many joints or moving parts, even brand new. It doesn't feel stable, and I wouldn't expect that to do anything except worsen with use. The DC25 has much less laxity. Third, the DC15's brush motor was ear-piercing. I don't know what they did to change it, but the DC25 isn't so shrill. The only advantages the DC15 has are that its handle is a little taller and it has a bigger dust bin. I wanted a DC15 when it came out and didn't get one after I tried it. Thereafter, I've been skeptical of the Ball. When Jack posted pics of the new Blueprint, I liked it enough to try one to see if Dyson had improved the design enough to buy one. They had, and I bought a DC25 and love it. By contrast, the DC15 is the only Dyson I can think of that I would not want. Hope that helps. | ||
| Post# 84611 , Reply# 23 11/24/2009 at 15:23 (5,265 days old) by rolls_rapide (-) | ||
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DC15 Didn't it have a geared drive to the brush, rather than the toothed belt of the DC25? I do agree - the DC15 is an awkward beast to manoeuvre. Even more so, when compared to the Vax Mach Air (which is a dream to push about). | ||
| Post# 84850 , Reply# 26 11/27/2009 at 22:04 (5,262 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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Sorry this one came out blurred, one of the guys took the pics with my useless phone camera... 
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| Post# 84851 , Reply# 27 11/27/2009 at 22:10 (5,262 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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I should add - after that demo, I threw the Contact Head and the bin/cyclone assembly down the stairs! Guess what...neither of them broke! If I thought they would, I wouldn't have attempted it with witnesses, lol. I was more concerned about the stairs! | ||
| Post# 85048 , Reply# 32 11/30/2009 at 06:44 (5,259 days old) by shanonabc () | ||
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DC12 In my experience with my DC12..... Before issues, It was brilliant. About the same suction as DC21, Brilliant performance :) Loved it while it lasted... Think the Australian current screwed it up somehow :( | ||
| Post# 86222 , Reply# 37 12/16/2009 at 15:26 (5,243 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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Here's a close-up, with my hand for size-comparison! As you can see, there's a lot of fine dust, very dense fluff, and pet hair (they have a cat): 
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| Post# 86223 , Reply# 38 12/16/2009 at 15:27 (5,243 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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Then, I took my DC25 Overdrive and vacuumed it again, and the results were interesting: 
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| Post# 86256 , Reply# 40 12/16/2009 at 22:35 (5,243 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio) | ||
Hello everyone! I recently acquired a Dyson DC17 that needed a few parts. The brushbar bearings were shot, and the belt was ruined. The gasket on the bottom of the cyclone assembly had moved up from repeated aggressive dump lid slammings. This let dirt right into the cyclones, packing them with filth. It was two years old, but you could tell it had seen some use. I replaced the Cyclones, brushbar, and belt, and cleaned it up. I noticed the replacement cyclone assembly is different from the original design. There is only one center cyclone, surrounded by smaller cyclones (similar to their fancy canisters). I think the original cyclone setup had a couple cyclones in the center. The gasket on the bottom of the new assembly seems very serious, and I don't think it'll get pushed up over time. Build quality issues aside, I am incredibly impressed with the DC17. It deep cleans much better than the majority of the Dyson range. The nozzle isn't loaded with vents to leak suction, so it seals pretty well to the carpet! It's got much more airflow than the DC07 or DC14 (it'll pull small rugs around, and devour them if you're not careful). The stiff stubby brushes vibrate the nap back to life. The amount of crud I sweep up continues to astonish me. I've used the Dyson for hardcore cleaning, and for pretty extreme attachment use (I'm using it to clean out my dusty basement... a huge job). I've sucked up the most disgusting soot that vacuum has probably ever seen, and the pre-motor filter doesn't have a speck of dirt on it. It's wonderful! It's really a revolutionary filtration setup. One other thing I must note on the vacuum are the tools. They're an absolute delight! I love being able to go all the way up my hardwood stairs with the attachment hose, without having to take the sweeper along with me, or grab an extension. The wand is nice and long, and comfortable to hold and use. The actual attachments that are on the sweeper are well designed (unfortunately I don't have the extra tools it normally comes with). The hose connects at the bottom (like all Dyson uprights), so it doesn't tip over while your cleaning (a huge plus). Overall I really like the DC17. It's fun to use, and as an added plus it does a surprisingly good job on bare floors! It's one of the few vacuums I have that I can take around my entire house and clean everything, top to bottom. | ||
| Post# 86326 , Reply# 41 12/17/2009 at 18:47 (5,242 days old) by kirbyman89 () | ||
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Polish a turd it's still a turd! | ||
| Post# 86327 , Reply# 42 12/17/2009 at 19:08 (5,242 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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Thanks for that mature and insightful comment, Adam. Why don't you run along and let the grown-ups talk now - maybe someone will find you some shapes to play with? | ||
| Post# 86330 , Reply# 43 12/17/2009 at 19:12 (5,242 days old) by kirbyotronic () | ||
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How ignorant and biased was that comment posted above....... Alex | ||
| Post# 86331 , Reply# 44 12/17/2009 at 19:15 (5,242 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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Aww, he's just cranky because he ate all his crayons. | ||
| Post# 86348 , Reply# 46 12/17/2009 at 22:40 (5,242 days old) by shanonabc () | ||
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I was wondering why share values in Crayola had went up... | ||
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Post# 86393 , Reply# 47 12/18/2009 at 11:21 (5,241 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO) |
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DC18
Jack, thanks to your posted video on the DC18, I decided to get some to give to people for Christmas. I ordered three, gave away two of them late last night after work, and am probably gonna lose the fight against keeping the third myself. The DC18 is a really neat machine. It cleans well, and it's a bit taller than the DC25, so I can actually use it comfortably. Thanks again for the great video!
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| Post# 86398 , Reply# 48 12/18/2009 at 13:24 (5,241 days old) by rolls_rapide (-) | ||
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"I've sucked up the most disgusting soot...pre-moto That is a very good sign of improvement. I have used Dyson's 'Dual Cyclone' DC03, and 'Root Cyclone' DC11 to suck up soot. In both cases the filters got totally overloaded. | ||
| Post# 86404 , Reply# 50 12/18/2009 at 15:22 (5,241 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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| Post# 86410 , Reply# 53 12/18/2009 at 17:48 (5,241 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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'..too aggressive a brushroll such that it tears up the fibers of the carpet' The rest of the US complain that the DC07/DC14 brushroll is too wimpy and ineffective, so Dyson phases it out...and you think it's too aggressive? | ||
| Post# 86412 , Reply# 54 12/18/2009 at 18:12 (5,241 days old) by shanonabc () | ||
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As for the AU pricing it is fair on our market, It is similar to other high end machines. Forgot to put that point in :P | ||
| Post# 86426 , Reply# 58 12/18/2009 at 21:13 (5,241 days old) by shanonabc () | ||
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Gee... Those crayons are making Adam hallucinate! Wouldn't you agree Alex ;) | ||
| Post# 86427 , Reply# 59 12/18/2009 at 21:16 (5,241 days old) by kirbyotronic () | ||
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I think he's been sniffin sharpies too, that would explain the disturbing comment! ;P Alex | ||
| Post# 86432 , Reply# 60 12/18/2009 at 21:53 (5,241 days old) by shanonabc () | ||
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Agreed! | ||
| Post# 86446 , Reply# 61 12/18/2009 at 23:46 (5,241 days old) by kirbyman89 () | ||
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I also saw the Hertage II Kirby pick up a VW. I haven't exactly seen a Dyson do that. Whatever you know what, I'm drug free and I'm going to be the bigger person and not say anything except God Bless and Merry Christmas | ||
| Post# 86453 , Reply# 62 12/19/2009 at 05:15 (5,240 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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'I'm going to be the bigger person and not say anyth It's a little too late for that, Adam. Here's a question for you though, since you're obviously so well informed about these things: what does lifting a car have to do with cleaning a carpet? | ||
| Post# 86454 , Reply# 63 12/19/2009 at 05:55 (5,240 days old) by shanonabc () | ||
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Muuuuuch too late... Jack seriously! You don't understand! Picking up a bowling ball is soooo last year :P | ||
| Post# 86487 , Reply# 64 12/19/2009 at 12:41 (5,240 days old) by vintagehoover () | ||
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Ladies and gentlemen, we apologise for this unscheduled interruption to the broadcast. Please be assured usual service will resume shortly. 
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Post# 86539 , Reply# 65 12/19/2009 at 19:54 (5,240 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO) |
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DC27
Jack, I decided to jump on this auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllQUES... I think the US DC27 dual motor is pretty uncommon. I couldn't resist this one at this price. By my tally, you are now responsible for my adding a DC31 Animal, DC25 Blueprint, DC18 Full Access, and, arguably, the DC17 Animal to my collection in the last 5 weeks, as well as this most recent one, obviously. I hope you're proud of yourself. :x | ||
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Post# 86540 , Reply# 66 12/19/2009 at 19:56 (5,240 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO) |
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Kirby
Kibryman, I have a lot of Kirby machines in my collection. I think they rock, but they're not the only machine in the world. Kirby it totes old school. Dyson is brand new. They both represent the pinnacle of effectiveness in their respective categories. If you wanna hate, pick something more important. ~Cheers! | ||
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Post# 86545 , Reply# 68 12/19/2009 at 21:29 (5,240 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO) |
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Outstanding vacuums
As I'm thinking of this, I'd say four makes of vacuums are tops for me: Kirby, Dyson, Miele, and Filter Queen. I have lots of experience with those. A couple others could join that group: Tri-Star and Simplicity. I own new examples of both but haven't used them enough to be confident that they're as good as the others. I suspect they are, though. Dyson is the only bagless machine on that list. (Filter Queens aren't bagless; the bag is just inverted and doesn't actually wrap around the dirt.) | ||
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Post# 86546 , Reply# 69 12/19/2009 at 21:49 (5,240 days old) by kirbyultimateg (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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I tried the Dyson DC25 at Kohls tonight...Very nice machine! I would love to have one for my collection. I don't have any Dysons yet. | ||
| Post# 86550 , Reply# 71 12/19/2009 at 23:35 (5,240 days old) by kirbyman89 () | ||
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Oh and one last thought... I sure don't hear anyone denying that Kirby is better than Dyson. | ||
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Post# 86554 , Reply# 74 12/20/2009 at 00:57 (5,240 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO) |
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Interpret the deafening silence in response to you however you choose. For my part, I won't engage, since my efforts aren't likely to yield much. Go debug yourself and then talk to me. If that remark about one's worst nightmare was directed at me, you might want to get to know me a little before you elevate yourself to a position of such potency, even if only colloquially. My worst nightmares are pretty awful, usually involve some tragic mishap, and are unlikely to be effected by the rantings of an insolent and impulsive child. In any case, 20yoa is old enough to have at least a modicum of manners. If you were 10, I'd dismiss your statements. At 20, I'm more likely to dismiss you. For what it's worth, your mistake was in busting something that is your counterparts' passion without, significantly, an even nominal attempt at rationalization. That doesn't contribute anything to the discussion, it just offends the people who have some interest in the target. | ||
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Post# 86555 , Reply# 75 12/20/2009 at 01:01 (5,240 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO) |
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Fred | ||
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Post# 86556 , Reply# 76 12/20/2009 at 02:45 (5,239 days old) by kirbyultimateg (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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The only downfall of the DC25 is it's cord is shorter than 30 feet. Dyson should have put a 30 foot cord on the DC25. | ||
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Post# 86560 , Reply# 77 12/20/2009 at 04:10 (5,239 days old) by kirbyultimateg (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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The brushroll on the DC25 is just right...Not too stiff and not too soft. Not too aggressive and not too wimpy either. | ||
| Post# 86582 , Reply# 81 12/20/2009 at 12:26 (5,239 days old) by joe22 () | ||
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dear santa, please add a dyson upright and new digital canister motor head to my list of gifts. joe | ||
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Post# 86624 , Reply# 82 12/20/2009 at 21:33 (5,239 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO) |
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DC18 vs DC25
I have both and think I prefer the DC18 over the DC25, but the difference isn't too dramatic. The DC18 is taller, which I like. Both have great suction. Both have a similar feel on the carpet, again I prefer the DC18 slightly. Then there's this awesome deal for $199 for a refurb DC18. I just received three of them, and all three are perfect. (I bought two DC17s, too, but those two gifts haven't been delivered yet, so I can only presume they'll be in perfect condition, too.) www.ecost.com/Detail.aspxQUESTION... | ||
| Post# 86679 , Reply# 84 12/21/2009 at 15:32 (5,238 days old) by riccarlover () | ||
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Patrick... I did some exploring around on the link you posted. I see a DC17 for a little over $200!!! The only catch I see is that it's a refurb and it has under a day left. Any other catches? Thanks!!! Clayton :) | ||
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Post# 86824 , Reply# 85 12/22/2009 at 11:20 (5,237 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO) |
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ecost
I ordered 3 dc18s and 2 dc17s from ecost. All three 18s have been opened and are perfect. The 2 17s are still in the boxes, but the boxes appear to be perfect, so I have no reason to suspect any problem with the condition of the machines. I'd definitely order from them again. They ship very quickly. Can't beat that price, and they're indistinguishable from original-box new.
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