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Post# 83860 , Reply# 1   11/11/2009 at 14:44 (5,251 days old) by isufan11 (Minneapolis )   |   | |
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Post# 83861 , Reply# 2   11/11/2009 at 14:45 (5,251 days old) by isufan11 (Minneapolis )   |   | |
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Post# 83862 , Reply# 3   11/11/2009 at 15:05 (5,251 days old) by vintagehoover ()   |   | |
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Wow - that IS radically different! Glad to *finally* see some change and innovation! I'm intrigued to see what the final product will look like - I wonder what colour scheme they picked? |
Post# 83863 , Reply# 4   11/11/2009 at 15:31 (5,251 days old) by isufan11 (Minneapolis )   |   | |
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I am kind of excited to see the bag returning to the back again, I also like the fact that they are still staying true to there heritage, and keeping a metal base. |
Post# 83865 , Reply# 5   11/11/2009 at 15:49 (5,251 days old) by kirbymodel2c (Nottingham, England)   |   | |
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Post# 83868 , Reply# 7   11/11/2009 at 16:26 (5,251 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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Thanks Jon for digging up these patent applications and for posting them. It's easy to see the design relationship to the all metal Kirby tech-Drive KIRBY upright with various familiar attachment solutions in these proposals. It would be a big leap forward from the Sentria Series if indeed this turns out to be the Next Generation Kirby. But let us not lose focus that these are simply patent applications for ideas so that their butts are covered should Kirby/Scott-Feltzer (one is a division of the other) decide to produce this machine next or put them on hold for another decade or even choose to bypass this design altogether - the individual 'imagineering' component designs are now legally registered and protected. I do admire the new package and am having fun pouring over the drawings and text on printouts I just made. The previous thread on 'the next Kirby' makes for amusing reading, as well. Wild speculation is an enjoyable exercise in 'What If' but only an official press release will confirm what one hopes is a new model KIRBY Series in the pipeline. Let us pray... Dave |
Post# 83870 , Reply# 9   11/11/2009 at 17:31 (5,251 days old) by joe22 ()   |   | |
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WOW, thank you for finding this out. |
Post# 83875 , Reply# 11   11/11/2009 at 18:49 (5,251 days old) by kirbyotronic ()   |   | |
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*Barf* :*( |
Post# 83880 , Reply# 13   11/11/2009 at 20:50 (5,251 days old) by kirbyotronic ()   |   | |
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Well, if it turns out anything like what this sketch shows.... RIP Kirby. ;) |
Post# 83881 , Reply# 14   11/11/2009 at 21:06 (5,251 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 83882 , Reply# 15   11/11/2009 at 21:22 (5,251 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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I know Kirby patents and trust me, there were several odd ball designs from time to time, even some from Jim Kirby himself! If I understand the drawings correctly there are 2 designs. The more or less "standard Kirby and the newly designed carpet nozzle with hose and wand assembly. There also seems to be a completely redesigned handle as well. Believe it or not, I sort of like it! If there are 2 designs to choose from, the standard and the upgraded I can deal with it. I notice the bag is in back instead of on the side which makes me think no Sani-Em-tor, but I can live with that too. So Kirby is changing with the times! If we must, we must. And maybe, just maybe, Jim Kirby is not turning in his grave after all, and approves of this. For me, the bottom line is that I'll stick with my 1-C, 2-C, 512, D50, D80, Classic series and G series. Give my a 1-C, or Classic 111 any day. Alex Taber |
Post# 83888 , Reply# 19   11/11/2009 at 23:18 (5,251 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Seeing the second set of patents pleases me and draws it into better perspective. Please understand this everybody, as I said before, I'm not at all happy with the new Kirby design, but I can live with it! As I also said in my previous post. If we must, we must! These patent drawings are abstract and give an over-all idea of what the "new Kirby" might look like. Till it goes into production nobody knows for sure. What I see, I can live with! Am I to believe that because there are no cord hooks, there is some sort of cord rewind feature? I've been in favor of that since I gave my first training class in 1976 (Classic Omega). However, it also means that the cord is no longer detachable. An idea I don't like! I also like the way the hose connects to the main housing, and the over-all design. I just checked my Kirby patent book and found patent # 2,648,396. Filed Feb. 3, 1949 by Jim Kirby himself. Interesting similar to the 2010 concept. The question is about other Kirby features. Rug Renovator, Mirical head, shoulder portable and whatnot. I guess we will have to wait and see. Alex Taber. |
Post# 83889 , Reply# 20   11/12/2009 at 01:36 (5,251 days old) by kirbyultimateg (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)   |   | |
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It sounds like that the new Kirby model is very radical in design. I wish Kirby would bring back the Heritage II with a metal fan. |
Post# 83897 , Reply# 21   11/12/2009 at 07:07 (5,250 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)   |   | |
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I like the new design with the bag behind the handle. I always find the bag on the right side gets in the way when trying to vacuum close to the wall on that side. Attaching/detaching the brushroll looks a lot simpler - no more belt lifter - and attaching the hose looks easier also. Being able to add an electrified hose and power nozzle might be nice for those times when you are doing a thorough house cleaning, rug and above the floor and being able to switch back and forth. When you just want to vacuum the carpets then you can use the Kirby in the standard way. I have an Ultimate G and I use it mainly when I am vacuuming the carpets only. When I am doing a full cleaning I use my FQ with power nozzle. Overall, I like the design. Gary |
Post# 83903 , Reply# 22   11/12/2009 at 08:22 (5,250 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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The last company to bring back an old favorite was Hoover with the Stainless Steel (or White) Constellation even as dark forces were gathering at the gates. Sure it was made in China and much of the interior fittings were plastic but the styling and suction remained intact. To me this is the last of the true Hoovers...with the 100th Anniversary Series from TTI a final dying gasp, as I imagine the Centennial Editions were the last to have actual input from North Canton. As for the machines we see today lining the aisles of Big Box and Department Stores or small independent Vacuum Shops, with the purloined Hoover Bug slapped on, let no one for one minute in their most fervent wishful fantasies believe that these are 'Hoover'. You can now find these SS Connies un-opened in the box for less than $75 if you search far and wide enough. I intend to put a deserved 100th Anniversary sticker on mine. :-) If Kirby can make a go of it (and I believe they can judging from what these radical and eminently practical designs suggest) re-interpreting their own legacy machines as all-new, unique and quality machines that look and operate like no other on the market then they will soldier on as the last of the Great American Vacuums. Electrolux and Compact/Tristar have managed to keep afloat producing the same basic configurations that will today set you back in excess of $2000. There will always be a market for Maseratis, Maybachs, Veyrons and Aston Martins, too. Then along comes Fisker with his uber-luxury Electric Vehicle appealing to the same but less conservative crowd of early adopters - he will sell every automobile he produces. Kirby occupies a singular and lofty niche in high end versatile metal vacuums for which discerning consumers have been content to pay the asking price as Sentrias evolved from the G Series and with that kind of willing customer base a smaller company like Kirby will have no need or temptation to over produce product. Kirby has enjoyed steady success over many decades and has not had to cater to the masses with a cheaper secondary economy line with the Kirby name applied on something plastic. Riccar and Miele own their targeted markets because they take the same basic design and offer upgrades from economy model to top-of-the-line. Should this new machine be produced primarily in cast metal as the patents indicate, whether to these exact specs or something equally innovative that allows for Kirby's legendary power and versatility, then folks will buy it and thank their lucky stars such a fine device is still available. Certainly Kirby could put out this new machine at a more attractive and more widely attainable price point if they opted to replace body & nozzle castings and things like the handle with plastic but I bet they will not and would not do so - that is not their style. I'm so wishing for the best outcome my wisher is sore; I won't be able to afford a new one but then, that's why I'm a collector of fine vintage machines to satisfy that craving for well built products. Within 6 months, you say? Be still my anxious heart... Dave. |
Post# 83921 , Reply# 27   11/12/2009 at 14:53 (5,250 days old) by thunderhexed (Edmond, OK)   |   | |
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I'm just happy to see that they are potentially going to stick with a traditional soft bag design. I personally have never been a fan of emptying dust cups and cleaning filters after every vacuuming, plus i feel still having a soft bag is part of what sets Kirby apart from the rest (not to mention the big bucks they rake in from selling those disposeable bags!). They should be lined with Kryptonite at those prices!!
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Post# 83928 , Reply# 28   11/12/2009 at 17:50 (5,250 days old) by ohio_tuec ()   |   | |
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Well, yes, but who's to say you have to use GENUINE Kirby bags? I find the knockoffs work quite nicely ;-) |
Post# 83930 , Reply# 29   11/12/2009 at 17:59 (5,250 days old) by thunderhexed (Edmond, OK)   |   | |
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well, I'm kinda strange i guess. I just like supporting Kirby and I like using genuine products. I kinda feel like using a generic bag in a high end vacuum would be like taking my Infiniti to a jiffy lube or wal-mart for maintenance. I like the whole experience. :) I have no doubt that the generics work just as well, it's just an idiosyncrasy of mine. Besides, it gives me a chance to pop into the various vac shops around town to see what might be lurking in a corner for sale :).
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Post# 83934 , Reply# 30   11/12/2009 at 19:31 (5,250 days old) by vinvac (Dubuque IA)   |   | |
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Kirby Bags may be expensive...but they sure do filter well. The brown paper looking bags are awesome and I am now just trying to use the cloth type...so far, not a spec of leaked dust... And your not shaking out a dirt cup and having it all come back in your face...no matter how carefull you are, any of the bagless machines with filters or cyclones...you still have to mess with a certain amount of yuck! With my Kirby, you remove the bag, take a damp cloth and wipe the inlet tube...boom your off and running for another month. My only complaint with my Kirby is that my house is not big enough...the Kirby doesn't work well here for that reason. However, neither would a Dyson due to the bulky head on it. Morgan |
Post# 83937 , Reply# 32   11/12/2009 at 20:45 (5,250 days old) by vacuumfreeeke ()   |   | |
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... It's hard for me to even comprehend a new Kirby at this point... I've never even touched a Sentria yet! |
Post# 83993 , Reply# 35   11/13/2009 at 22:58 (5,249 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 84072 , Reply# 38   11/15/2009 at 11:03 (5,247 days old) by vintagehoover ()   |   | |
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Remember, the drawings are illustrative of the specific technology relevant to the patent, and do to necessarily represent the exact final appearance of the product... |
Post# 84074 , Reply# 39   11/15/2009 at 11:17 (5,247 days old) by rickenbacker ()   |   | |
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This looks like one of the most interesting kirbys Ive ever seen this could be a new changing point for design i.e. classic, generation series Charlie |
Post# 84530 , Reply# 40   11/23/2009 at 09:50 (5,239 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)   |   | |
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I just bought a new Sentria yesterday, and the dealer brought it over - no demonstration needed for me obviously. Well I had asked him if he had any information on the new model coming out but he simply stated "Well Kirby is always coming out with something new you know..." - Not sure if he really didn't know much about the new model coming out, or if he is just not allowed to disclose any details. He is an older guy, has been in the business for about 25 years - Since this is an Eastern Iowa Kirby dealer, they may not be up on the latest and greatest as much as say a larger city would with possibly one or more dealers. While I do like to see new things evolve, I can't say that anything about these patent drawings have given me any urge to wait. I quickly grabbed a Sentria before they are gone. (I know there are others of us here who feel the same :-) ). It will be intersting to see how the new model really is once it comes out. I however, have been through hell and back a few times on first generation products, not just vacuums. I decided to go with the tried and true, and I'll just sit back and watch the newborn evolve. Andrew |
Post# 84537 , Reply# 41   11/23/2009 at 13:36 (5,239 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 372235 , Reply# 45   5/16/2017 at 22:03 (2,508 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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Post# 372365 , Reply# 46   5/19/2017 at 01:03 (2,506 days old) by Shrink1982 (Indianapolis)   |   | |
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