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Post# 71372   6/6/2009 at 15:12 (5,436 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        

I just had a glance at the UK Dyson site: they seem to have re-introduced two cleaners that I thought were on their way out (or have I mis-read the situation?).

The cleaners are the DC15 upright, and the DC11 cylinder. I thought they had been superceded by newer, more capable models.

Could they be excess stock from other countries that have been re-worked and dumped upon Joe Bloggs, UK Public?

Post# 71375 , Reply# 1   6/6/2009 at 15:21 (5,436 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

I noticed this too...I don't know where they've come from, but it's certainly odd that they've reappeared. I can't believe their tactic for getting rid of excess stock of the DC15 is to price it ABOVE the DC25, when the 25 is vastly superior to the 15 in every way! Lighter, more powerful, more durable, much tidier design...

I'll try and get an answer from Dyson about why the 11 and 15 have risen from the dead!

By the way, the DC27 will be launching in the UK later this month, after a lengthy delay since February, when it was meant to be coming out.

Post# 71389 , Reply# 2   6/6/2009 at 16:21 (5,436 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

I've left an enquiry with Dyson. I'll report back ASAP :)

Post# 71396 , Reply# 3   6/6/2009 at 18:59 (5,436 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        

Ta.

I'm curious to see what their answer is. Seems mighty odd anyway.

Post# 71405 , Reply# 4   6/6/2009 at 21:58 (5,436 days old) by shanonabc ()        

We in Australia have always had the DC15 priced at $999... When the DC25 was released @ $849 it was marked as the replacement for the DC18 (which was $899).

I have always found the 15 to be a stronger cleaner than the 25.

Post# 71435 , Reply# 5   6/7/2009 at 03:04 (5,436 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Shannon, when you say 'stronger', do you mean more physically-durable, or a better performer?

Post# 71439 , Reply# 6   6/7/2009 at 03:24 (5,436 days old) by ibaisaic ()        

I noticed the DC11 and DC15 on the Dyson website too. I have renewed my interest in Dyson cleaners and have recently purchased a DC24 and DC18. I would like to fill the gaps in my collection and would like a DC15 and DC11, but not at the prices on the Dyson website. The DC15 is still available from a number of online retailers from around £220.

I buy many cleaners from Littlewoods Direct as I get discount from there and found it odd that the DC27 Animal is in the sale, despite it never being available. Jack, it's good to hear that they will be launching it soon and hope that despite the pictures, it has a separate brush roll motor like the US version.

Littlewoods have also just got in the DC07 Animal, DC07 All Floors and DC18 All Floors. I thought all these models were discontinued. I'm getting a DC07 in a couple of weeks to add to my Dyson collection. I am also interested in a DC16 Animal, only because I have a voucher for a free tool kit when you buy any DC16.

I like the Dysons I have, but they do feel less well built than some cleaners and I wish Dyson would reduce the noise level of their machines. The DC18 and 24 seem quieter than the DC14 I used to own, but they still make quite a racket.
James Dyson needs to stop playing with his balls and design quiet cleaners.

Roger

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Post# 71440 , Reply# 7   6/7/2009 at 03:50 (5,436 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Hi Roger, unfortunately, the UK DC27 just has the standard DC07/DC14-style 'All Floors' clutch, not the separate brush-bar motor. It's really just part of the continuous improvement of the basic upright design, based on customer feedback from the DC14. Dyson are really pushing the Ball design - that's their main focus. The DC27 is just for traditionalists who want wheels! It doesn't really seem to offer much in the way of new technology - no DDM, no Core Separator, no 'Airmuscle', etc...

Dyson's army of design-engineers have moved the pre-motor filter again; it was down beside the motor on the DC01, on top of the bin on the DC04, by the motor on the DC07, on top of the bin in the DC14, and now it's back down beside the motor - they can't seem to make their minds up!

I now have 17 Dysons in my collection:

Dyson DC01 Antarctica Solo (Ltd. edition of 100,000)
Dyson DC02 Recyclone (Ltd. edition of ???)
Dyson DC02 Clear (x2)
Dyson DC02 Antarctica Solo (Ltd. edition of 100,000)
Dyson DC02 De Stijl (Ltd edition of 20,000)
Dyson DC03 Clear (x2)
Dyson DC04 ConstantMAX
Dyson DC05 Motorhead
Dyson DC07 Low Reach+ HEPA
Dyson DC07 Origin
Dyson DC07 'Clic' Ltd. Edition
Dyson DC08T Carpetpro +Allergy
Dyson DC14 Origin
Dyson DC18 Slim +Allergy
Dyson DC24 All Floors

Only the DC07 Origin and DC24 All Floors have been mine since new, the rest are second-hand eBay purchases. It's so funny that some people have begun to associate me with Dyson more than Hoover, when I have 17 Dysons and nearly 60 Hoovers! Just shows what an impression the Dysons make!

Post# 71456 , Reply# 8   6/7/2009 at 07:42 (5,436 days old) by shanonabc ()        

By stonger I mean better performer sorry Jack. Will try and get the actual stats tomorrow :)

Post# 71497 , Reply# 9   6/7/2009 at 14:53 (5,435 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        
Noise

 I quite agree - the noise from Dysons is unbearable. I wish they would reduce the noise levels, as I suspect the noise is of a level to permanently damage hearing.

When I had a DC07, I found it left my ears ringing whenever I used it.

Post# 71516 , Reply# 10   6/7/2009 at 16:48 (5,435 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Jack.... I agree... It is weird about the movement of said filter... I do actually prefer it out of the cyclone assembly.

Also... Your Recyclone... In JD's last version of the autobiography they had not (to that date) released the Recyclone... And they were about to release a limited edition of 400... Yup... Its limited :)

Rolls_Rapide I have not had that problem with any of my Dysons... I will however strongly agree that the DC07 makes an awful noise... The way the cyclones are designed is the problem... However it was my second best performer (My best being my DC04WOC)

I have 13 Dysons in my collection including:

DC01 Classic
DC02 Absolute
DC03 Absolute
DC04 WOC (With Out Clutch)
DC05 Classic
DC05 Motorhead
DC12 Alergy
DC15 SY
DC16 BZ-MH
DC18 STB
DC21 ANZ/PL/MH
DC22 Ir/Ti/Pl/MH
DC24

The only ones I have had new are the DC05 Classic, The DC12 Allergy & DC21 ANZ/PL/MH

Post# 71523 , Reply# 11   6/7/2009 at 18:15 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Hi Shannon,

I've known for a long time that the Recyclone was a rare, limited-production model, and I was aware of the figure of 400 given in 'Against the Odds' (like the Fabulous Dustpan, I've read it cover to cover many times!!). However, I was shocked that the total production figure in its entirety could be so small. I've asked for confirmation, both from Dyson, and people I'd consider to be Dyson experts (I ALWAYS double-check my facts!), and my question has always been ignored or brushed away, giving me the impression that the Recyclone total-production figure is a closely-guarded secret! For that reason, I hesitated to put '(Ltd. edition of 400)', in case they made more of them than stated in the book.

I did read that a museum bought a mint Recyclone for a VERY large sum, so perhaps there's a concious effort to hide the number to keep the value up?

I do know that when Sir James' Personal Assistant went to look for a copy of the original manual (printed on recycled paper) to go with mine, she could only find one copy within the whole of the Malmsbury archives, which naturally they couldn't give away!

I have no strong preference about where the pre-motor filter is located, but I guess having it in the base of the machine keeps the height and weight of the cyclone assembly down!

I agree Dysons aren't the quietest cleaner in the world, but to call them 'unbearable' seems to be to be a slight exaggeration. I guess it comes down to personal tolerance, but I find them to be within perfectly acceptable noise boundaries. The only cleaner I've ever had that hurt my ears was my Oreck XL, which was both deafeningly loud and high-pitched.

There is a huge about of difference between the noise of different variants of Dyson models - my DC07 Origin makes a real 'howl' - and it's entirely due to the cyclone assembly. Take it off, and it runs very quietly. But my DC07 Clic is very quiet. I was thinking of doing a video to demonstrate this anyway, but since the issue's come up on here, I'll make sure I do one tomorrow to show what I mean.

Here are a few pics of my Dysons...

Post# 71524 , Reply# 12   6/7/2009 at 18:17 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

BTW, apologies for mis-spelling your name twice on this thread, Shanon!

Post# 71525 , Reply# 13   6/7/2009 at 18:18 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

DC02 De Stijl (Limited edition of 20,000)

Post# 71526 , Reply# 14   6/7/2009 at 18:19 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

DC07 Clic

Post# 71527 , Reply# 15   6/7/2009 at 18:21 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

DC14 Origin and DC07 Origin...

Post# 71528 , Reply# 16   6/7/2009 at 18:24 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

DC24 All Floors...

Post# 71529 , Reply# 17   6/7/2009 at 18:25 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

DC18 Slim +Allergy

Post# 71530 , Reply# 18   6/7/2009 at 18:28 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

The Slim again, since it's probably my favourite! This one gets a LOT of use!

Post# 71531 , Reply# 19   6/7/2009 at 18:30 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

DC02 Recyclone...

Post# 71532 , Reply# 20   6/7/2009 at 18:40 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

DC05 Motorhead - I literally JUST got this earlier this afternoon. I've done nothing at all to it yet, not even a clean-up.

Post# 71544 , Reply# 21   6/7/2009 at 22:08 (5,435 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Heya Jack... No offence at all :)

Here are some of my piccies :)

My DC15, DC18 & DC24

Post# 71545 , Reply# 22   6/7/2009 at 22:10 (5,435 days old) by shanonabc ()        

My DC01, DC03 & DC04

Post# 71547 , Reply# 23   6/7/2009 at 22:11 (5,435 days old) by shanonabc ()        

My DC16

Post# 71550 , Reply# 24   6/7/2009 at 22:13 (5,435 days old) by shanonabc ()        

DC02 & DC05s

Post# 71552 , Reply# 25   6/7/2009 at 22:17 (5,435 days old) by shanonabc ()        

DC21 & DC12

Post# 71554 , Reply# 26   6/7/2009 at 22:22 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

I'm curious about the DC12 - did you import that one from Japan? I take it it has the DDM? Do you like it?

Post# 71556 , Reply# 27   6/7/2009 at 22:33 (5,435 days old) by shanonabc ()        

DC22 has gone back as the cord rewind had failed... First DOA Machine I have received as a staff refurb.

And the box of random bits and pieces hahaha

Post# 71557 , Reply# 28   6/7/2009 at 22:34 (5,435 days old) by shanonabc ()        

Jack do you have MSN, Skype or iChat?

Post# 71558 , Reply# 29   6/7/2009 at 22:36 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

I have MSN, I use the same address as is on my profile:

the_amazing_neon_man@hotmail.com

I also have Skype, although I rarely use it!

Post# 71577 , Reply# 30   6/8/2009 at 02:53 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Rolls_rapide: Dyson have just got back to me. I left a message at 9.30pm on Saturday, they couldn't answer immediately because the appropriate member of staff had gone home, but he got back to me at 8.30am on Monday.

With regards to the DC11, I'm told that Dyson have enough in stock to offer it on the website again. He suggests that a number of them have been returned (ie. brand new and unopened, from various stockists' warehouses) that Dyson can offer them on the website until the stock is depleted. The stores returning the stock would rather use the space to store and sell the better models which have superceded the DC11, which is no longer in production.

As for the DC15, that IS still in production. I was surprised, and I asked what the incentive for the buyer is to purchase the 15 over the 25. He suggested the 15's larger bin capacity and slightly longer cord, but said otherwise they were very similar. He said he'd strongly advise that the DC25 was the better machine, and that the DC15 was noticably heavier.

I personally can't see the need for the DC15 now, it seems obsolete to me, but clearly Dyson think otherwise!

Anyway, hope that helped!

Post# 71580 , Reply# 31   6/8/2009 at 07:10 (5,435 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

And here's the sound-comparison video I promised. The test-cleaner is my Dyson DC07 Origin, bought brand new in December 2008.

- The yellow-topped cyclone assembly is the one which came with the cleaner.

- The red-topped one comes from my older DC07 Low Reach +HEPA.

Aside from the colours, at a glance, they both look identical, but see what difference in sound the 2 different Root8-cyclone designs make? For the record, both are in perfect working order, and have always sounded like that.





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Post# 72191 , Reply# 32   6/14/2009 at 17:16 (5,428 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        
Jack

 Thanks for getting feedback from Dyson, I had presumed the DC11 in particular to be 'dead' - obviously old stock that has been returned to Dyson.

With regard to the DC07's noise, what bothered me on my machine (an early 'All Floors' model - dull grey and turquoise), was the high-pitched whistle. It seems to be audible in your video when neither cyclone pack is fitted.

As for differences in sound between the two cyclone packs, check the 'vortex finders' of the small cyclones. The original vortex finders were designed like propellers of a World War I biplane, though fixed in place.

The later vortex finders may have simpler single fins (ala DC14, DC15), or possibly star-shaped vortex finder tubes like DC11.

DC07s as you probably know, had a poor design that allowed the fine dust to build up in the region of the small cyclones, effectively blocking the cleaner. Are both yours free of this build up?

Post# 72196 , Reply# 33   6/14/2009 at 17:34 (5,428 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Yup, both are clean and clear! At least, I know the red-top is because I took it apart to check before I did the video, and the yellow-top has sounded like that since I took it out of the box brand new.

Post# 72208 , Reply# 34   6/14/2009 at 18:50 (5,428 days old) by carlstock ()        

Another major Dyson fan here! :) I had the very first DA001, the books, bits and pieces… :) At the moment, I only have a DC03, having sold my others to relatives and neighbours. If I had the room, I would have many more Dysons! :)

Very nice pictures, and the video is great, Jack! :) I was really surprised by the difference in sound.

I have to agree that, despite my hypersensitivity to noise, Dysons are not extremely noisy, though it would be nice if they could be a little quieter. Your video demonstrates that there are clear differences even with the same model!

Noise is a subjective thing, as there are various issues involved in the perception of sound. Apart from volume (dB), there is pitch and allsorts of other factors that can influence our perception of sound as ‘nice’ or otherwise. Even some quiet sounds at an unpleasant frequency can be irritating to some. Hard disks can be irritating to some despite being relatively quiet, as the idle noise of some hard disks exhibit a high-pitched sound.

I know this is a long shot, and I’ve spoken to you about this at length on MSN, Jack, but I really, really want to find the quietest Dyson possible. Upright or cylinder, I don’t mind. :) How loud something is is important, but the pitch of some Dysons goes right through me. The DC07 Allergy and DC08 we had were classic examples. I know some really do not like the sound produced by the DC03, but it’s not too noisy, though it has a certain high pitch to it. So far, it’s the best I can get in terms of loudness/pitch balance. :)

I can be found on MSN if anyone would like to chat. :) Just add my e-mail address (found on my profile here). :)

Post# 72212 , Reply# 35   6/14/2009 at 19:31 (5,428 days old) by shanonabc ()        

I agree that it would be nice if they were quieter but if it sacrificed performance I wouldn't want the noise changed.

Post# 72264 , Reply# 36   6/15/2009 at 12:51 (5,427 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        
How about the regal roar...

 ... of a Hoover Senior 612. I can't remember any irritating sounds coming from it.

Come to think of it, Electrolux uprights (500 series and 600 series) were quietly efficient too.

Post# 72548 , Reply# 37   6/20/2009 at 12:55 (5,422 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        
Dyson DC15

 Seems to have disappeared from the Dyson UK site.

Post# 72549 , Reply# 38   6/20/2009 at 13:17 (5,422 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

As has the DC23! But note, a new model variation, the DC19 T2, has been added to the range...

Post# 72550 , Reply# 39   6/20/2009 at 13:22 (5,422 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        

No, scroll down for DC11 & DC23 ;)

Post# 72551 , Reply# 40   6/20/2009 at 14:04 (5,422 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Oh yeah! lol

 7 canisters, and just 3 uprights? I guess it's soon to become 4, though...

Post# 72552 , Reply# 41   6/20/2009 at 14:35 (5,422 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        
Vintagehoover

 Do you have any insider knowledge of when the the Dyson Digital Motor will be putting in an appearance in a UK vacuum cleaner?

What is all this rubbish about it only being available in Japan in the DC12? (I know it is in the Airblade drier, but that's different).

If it was any other manufacturer, it would have been released years ago.

Post# 72554 , Reply# 42   6/20/2009 at 15:03 (5,422 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Rolls_rapide - ask me again on Thursday evening ;)

Post# 72557 , Reply# 43   6/20/2009 at 15:50 (5,422 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
'If it was any other manufacturer, it would have been re

 If it was any other manufacturer...they wouldn't have thought of it.

;)

Post# 72559 , Reply# 44   6/20/2009 at 18:53 (5,422 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        
ask me again on Thursday evening ;)

 Why, what happens on Thursday?

Post# 72560 , Reply# 45   6/20/2009 at 19:02 (5,422 days old) by rolls_rapide (-)        
Just read your post on the DC27 thread

 Seems odd that they would go to all the bother of a Press launch for such a lacklustre machine.

What else have they got up their sleeve?

Post# 72572 , Reply# 46   6/21/2009 at 03:17 (5,422 days old) by ibaisaic ()        
Dyson DC15

 The Dyson DC15 Ball is still on the website, but it has moved to the special offers section where it is on sale for £254.99. Still a bit pricey as some online retails have it for £220. I must get one before they're all gone.

Post# 423614 , Reply# 47   4/16/2020 at 14:35 (1,469 days old) by rdwdcp (UK)        
DC07 clic

 Ive heard that the dc07 clic was a limited edision if anyone know how many where made please tell me thanks


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