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Thread Number: 6151
1975 Electrolux Super J |
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| Post# 68777 5/8/2009 at 21:46 (5,464 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
That's sure what it looks like to me! With the original off-white vinyl weave hose with blue & gold stripes and gold flavored chrome PN...and if it's not the correct hose what does it matter? Found it on Kijiji tonight in the Woodstock area for $20. Messaged the man, got the reply, we chatted on the phone and I'll be picking it up Saturday night at 7PM. The Golden cLUXing Chicken has laid the egg and it's hatching... I know, I know, wait until I have it grasped in my actual trembling hands...but it's too exciting. 
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| Post# 68778 , Reply# 1 5/8/2009 at 22:14 (5,464 days old) by luxg () | ||
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Wow Dave, I don't think I have ever seen a lux power nozzle with a golden hood. Is this a Canadian machine? | ||
| Post# 68779 , Reply# 2 5/8/2009 at 22:53 (5,463 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk) | ||
I can answer that one :) The last of the Super J's had the gold PN 4 and a yellow hose (as opposed to the earlier ones that had a chrome PN 4 and a white hose). While they did sell the Super J here it was still made in the USA. Incidentally the Super J's were sold in Canada in 1976/77 (along with Golden J's, 1205's and some Olympia 1 and 2's) while our factory was on strike. Apparently Electrolux Canada brought in all the old stock machines from the US to keep the sales force selling. This resulted in a huge ammount of repacked machines with mismatched parts which did NOT go over well with the salesmen. You still frequently find Golden J's with mixtures of blue and white parts. | ||
| Post# 68780 , Reply# 3 5/8/2009 at 23:05 (5,463 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Is this a Canadian machine?
Terry, I believe the 1205, Golden J & Super J are USA models only. Doug Smith's USA Lux sections shows the Super J with a goldtone PN. And a yellow hose alongside the off-white striped hose! After the Canadian 30/50/80 series we had the AP series which continued to use the same flipover tool in matching colours right up to the mid 1980s. So, here's my question for tonight.... I ran up to the partz bins where I knew I had a banana yellow combination Floor Tool - replacing the flipover nozzle - that was introduced in the USA with the 1954 Model E. I have that same combo tool in matching colours with my E, AE, G and blue 1205. The 1205 and the yellow combo tool have a fixed knurled gleaner rod, unlike the previous E/AE/G flippable gleaner rod. My questions are, does this yellow Combination floor tool go with the Golden J and Super J, and if so, when was this style of floor tool discontinued with which Model Lux? And when did the the gleaner bar change from the rotatable on/off slotted type to fixed & knurled? I recall that Dr. Rick Crevicetool was selling Electroluxii when the Super J was introduced and I'll have to go find that thread... 
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| Post# 68781 , Reply# 4 5/8/2009 at 23:09 (5,463 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 68812 , Reply# 6 5/9/2009 at 10:48 (5,463 days old) by tristar () | ||
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Gleaner Bar... I know that my 1205 has the fixed gleaner bar, so at least in the early 70's they switched. It may have been earlier, but I don't have a machine between the AE and the 1205! | ||
| Post# 68847 , Reply# 7 5/9/2009 at 22:04 (5,463 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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It is a Super J !!
Took me a while to get back home because of a bit of dumpster diving and passed through a small town obviously having a free junk on the curbside weekend...more on that later as the stuff is still in the car - it's dark out. But I did bring the Super J inside and gave it a fast once over with a damp towel. The fellow, who restores old muscle cars for a living, had a carry caddy of tools he said his Mom got with it. Came with the combo brush as well as the regular Canadian dusting brush, upholstery nozzle and yellow floor brush. Looks genuine enough to me in light of Doug's important info about the ripple effect of the CanLux Strike. The vacuum is plastered with more than would seem necessary 'Made In U.S.A.' stickers but nothing else to indicate it was sold in Canada The hose is not the right one, tho is does carry electricity to the PN4 - it is gray with a dark blue chevrons and has been shortened too much by at least 2 feet and leaks way beyond latexing. But at least I have the electric end fittings to graft onto another hose. Seems to me there was a later AP model hose in yellow so when I can locate such a yellow hose a coupler transplant is an option - it has the USA blade type connection. Also keeping my eyes peeled for a yellow crevice tool - I know I've seen one before. Meantime I can use the good 1205 blue hose. The motor is clearly more powerful than the 1205 and runs great with no nasty noises on rundown. But it is pulling only 40" with a new bag so I figure the turbines need a good cleaning of impacted fluffbunnies. 
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| Post# 68849 , Reply# 8 5/9/2009 at 22:09 (5,463 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 68851 , Reply# 9 5/9/2009 at 22:13 (5,463 days old) by luxg () | ||
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Looks to be in good shape Dave!! Was that an opitional floor brush you could buy? Looks like it would do a good job with the extended bristles. What about the plastic upholstery tool, wonder if that came with the machine? Thanks for sharing. | ||
| Post# 68853 , Reply# 11 5/9/2009 at 22:15 (5,463 days old) by sireluxomatic () | ||
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Congrats, Dave. The body looks in good shape...like how the Electrolux logo still looks fresh. I suppose the yellow floor brush would go with the AP 200, wouldn't it? | ||
| Post# 68856 , Reply# 12 5/9/2009 at 23:06 (5,462 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Yes Eric, I guess I'm spoiled by the higher suction of Canadian made Electrolux models. I now see what you mean about the suction loss all the way down and around the electrical connections inside the bag lid. I'll have to test it against the 1205 with the 1205 hose on it to get a differential comparison. I was expecting with the new improved more powerful Super J motor that the suction would be much higher - silly me. Bob, it is surprisingly unbanged up, just that one shallow dent on the side that should pop right out. I think the gold color is the same as the Haley's Comet or I can find a better match if necessary to touch up the PN4. Yes, I think that's the AP200 floor brush and I'll be looking for more yellow AP200 tools to compliment it. After all, it is somewhat of a Can-AM hybrid anyway and as Doug points out, was imported and sold at the same time as the 1976-78 AP200 was introduced and then became 'unavailable'. So it is within the realm of belief that yellow & off white tools from both countries were mixed and matched for sale in Canada. Quite fortuitous for the collector of yellow toned mid 1970s Electroluxs. LOL Terry, that is a standard Canadian floor brush you guys didn't get 'down south'. It is cast from the same mold shape as the cranberry painted aluminum 80 series or the polished aluminum preceeding 50 series Loaf vacuums. Quite different shape than the USA floor/wall brushes. Beginning with the green 89 it was molded from coloured plastic and continued right through the entire range of the AP series. Dave Doug Smith's photo of the 1976-78 AP100 - wouldn't that hose look nice on the SuperJ! Paging Dr Doug... 
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| Post# 68858 , Reply# 13 5/10/2009 at 00:19 (5,462 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk) | ||
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LOL Dave - That is the same hose that they later used on the Super J :) Not the easiest to see in this picture but thats the one. Incidentally the parts for the Super J were white (Some yellow with sun exposure) The only gold (yellow) part on them was the metal part on the bottom of the floor brush. 
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| Post# 68867 , Reply# 14 5/10/2009 at 04:19 (5,462 days old) by sireluxomatic () | ||
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Doug, in the picture of your AP 200, is that a wall brush in front of the shag rug tool? Also, how long did Canadian Lux have the trigger switch for the power nozzle...up to and including the AP 280? | ||
| Post# 68872 , Reply# 15 5/10/2009 at 07:37 (5,462 days old) by luxg () | ||
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Thanks Dave, I am going to have to be on the look out for one of those floor brushes. | ||
| Post# 68875 , Reply# 17 5/10/2009 at 08:42 (5,462 days old) by sireluxomatic () | ||
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Pete, that's exactly the one my aunt had...the old memories are flooding back. I must have vacuumed her house with that Super J at least a million times. | ||
| Post# 68879 , Reply# 18 5/10/2009 at 09:55 (5,462 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk) | ||
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Hi Bob Actually the nozzle infront of the shag tool with the AP280 is a shag rake (I have one with the 280 too). Instead of a brush it has small, flexible plastic teeth. You'll also notice both sprayer and sudser as well as the very hard to find yellow tool kit. The trigger handgrips were used on the 87, 89, 100, 280, SAP, ESpecial, E2000 and the Early 2100's and LE's (No the 200 didnt have one) When production started to move to the US (With free trade) the first thing to go was the trigger handgrips. I was selling machines at the time and I remember the salesmen being very upset about the trigger being done away with and a switch being put on the powerhead instead. It was a step backward as you could no longer just release the trigger if something became caught in the brush. Doug | ||
| Post# 68880 , Reply# 19 5/10/2009 at 10:40 (5,462 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Right you are, Eric.
Good to have everyone chiming in about Super Js and pictures, too. Thanks guys. There is massive leakage around the slots and the cap on both the Super J and the blue 1205, even sealing over those slots with a large rubber O ring for a direct intake reading. At the far end of the socket there is a soft rubber gasket ring that the hose should seat onto. Both of mine have this ring intact and sure enough, with the 1205 hose I get 55" on the 1205 and 64" on the J. So there's no clogs on my turbines. :-) You can see on the blue hose coupler the rubber O ring I used but in this position it had no effect raising the level further since the hose seats tight on the inner ring. So Doug, the grey/blue hose is legitimate. Although mine carries electric power to the PN it is in such ragged & unsalvageable and shortened condition it just will not do for use - attached to the PN and vacuum it lifts the vacuum off the floor while trying to plow the carpet. My chances of finding a USA-spec quick-connect hose being slim right now - and this one seeming to be virtually impossible to get the bladed coupler off the hose - I'll use the blue 1205 hose until I can locate a quick-connect cosmetically nice hose in just about any colour braiding (I'm not that colour fussy but the Blue is the only quick-connect hose I have and belongs to the 1205), as long as it has decent suction that would benefit from latexing. As dirtfinder David Lavoie posted on a previous 50th Anniversary Golden/Diamond Jubilee thread, "a golden jubilee hose is about as rare as a Hoover Windtunnel!", so chances are good I'll stumble across a suitable one on future travels to the United States. If anyone has a spare one they'd like to email me about...that would make me happy to pay the postage...:-) Now to go outside and unpack the rest of yesterday's dumpster finds for the garage door shot... 
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| Post# 68881 , Reply# 20 5/10/2009 at 10:49 (5,462 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk) | ||
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| Post# 68883 , Reply# 21 5/10/2009 at 11:22 (5,462 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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OK, Doug. Think I got it now. As I say, any USA braided quick-connect hose will do just to be able to display and use the J and it's yellowed off-white/gray/beige tools without resorting to the blue 1205 hose which really does clash visually. LOL Passed by this Vacuum Shop, felt the Twingle, no one was around and I noticed a green dumpster bin out back so... 
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| Post# 68889 , Reply# 22 5/10/2009 at 11:28 (5,462 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Found all of this in the Dumpster!!! First off, a complete Rainbow SE with the main grounded powercord cut off - an easy fix. The PN and hose are intact and ready to run. Complete Kirby Heritage Super renovation Group kit and Bag and bits. A new Vortech Force pre-motor filter. Brushes for a GE Floor Polisher. and a new Royal Procision 3050 BOX 24" long to put cylinder vacuums in... 
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| Post# 68892 , Reply# 23 5/10/2009 at 11:33 (5,462 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 68894 , Reply# 24 5/10/2009 at 11:37 (5,462 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 68895 , Reply# 25 5/10/2009 at 11:42 (5,462 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk) | ||
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| Post# 68898 , Reply# 26 5/10/2009 at 11:56 (5,462 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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But Doug, no hose, the wheels were bent, the caster is missing, the body is dented and mishapen so the bag door is crooked, the cord is gone, the tool holder cracked and broken off and it takes a tapered paper bag big enough to transport groceries...would you want it? It's probably still sitting there in abject misery...
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| Post# 68907 , Reply# 27 5/10/2009 at 13:32 (5,462 days old) by ridgidvac () | ||
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my 1205s Can't let go of either of my 1205s 
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| Post# 68909 , Reply# 28 5/10/2009 at 13:33 (5,462 days old) by ridgidvac () | ||
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1205 #2 the 2nd 1205 in my collection (NEITHER ARE 4 SALE!) 
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| Post# 68913 , Reply# 29 5/10/2009 at 14:21 (5,462 days old) by animasinsulin () | ||
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Cut off power cord??? Who in the HELL would do such a thing. I HOPE they used it to hang themself!!!!.....Bill in Az.... | ||
Post# 68915 , Reply# 30 5/10/2009 at 14:45 (5,462 days old) by arh1953  ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida) |
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Dave's twingly luck | ||
| Post# 68929 , Reply# 32 5/10/2009 at 16:58 (5,462 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Not a thing wrong with it - why was is thrown out?
...so that a desreving person such as myself would find it and give it a good home. LOL Not of a mind to sit idle and since all it needed was a cord a new cord the Rainbow SE got! and a sponge bath with Mr Clean's Magic Eraser. Did not have an SE til now but did have a caddy box with the SE sprayer, crevicetool, floorbrush and a measuring cup. Bottom of the waterpan is date stamped June 21 1991. 
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| Post# 68931 , Reply# 33 5/10/2009 at 17:15 (5,462 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Last and likely least from the curb | ||
| Post# 68932 , Reply# 34 5/10/2009 at 17:20 (5,462 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Never have seen one of these and like it's whimsical design much better than the single brush battery sweepers. It's only 1 & 3/4" high and has a universal joint for the handle so it's very maneuverable, like for under the stove and fridge. The clear top case lifts off for access to clean the brushes.
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| Post# 68960 , Reply# 36 5/10/2009 at 19:59 (5,462 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Pete, shoot me a picture of the socket and hose end. I've unearthed a box stuffed with assorted 'those' types of good shape Kenmore hoses and the one you need may be in there. The swivelsweeper is a toy novelty of course but just like those small crumb vacs - it does work to pick up the light stuff. Dave 
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| Post# 68965 , Reply# 38 5/10/2009 at 20:52 (5,462 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Oh, what a lovely sunny yellow AP200, woven hose and yellow wand, Bob! Too bad my French is non-existant. Appalling for a Canadian boy who took 3 fruitless years of Highschool French in the 1960s with a Language Lab and everything before flunking out, I know. But I did paste it to a translation site and gather he is appealing to wholesalers and willing to sell piece by piece? Dave | ||
| Post# 68973 , Reply# 39 5/10/2009 at 21:27 (5,462 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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I forgot - another plush carpet remnant scored from the curb. It was rolled up so all I knew was that is was greenish and very bare feet friendly. There was no more there but it looked sizable enough. never know about stains or cutouts, of course. Rolled it out in the attic and how appropriate! Clean as a whistle with no cuts, it is 8 feet by 6.5 feet and all one solid colour. But as shows in the photo it has a pattern of vines and grape leaves impressed (?) on the surface. Does not seem to be carved in. It's not printed. How do they do that? Is it surface burned or what? Well, it's a lovely rectangle that goes nicely with the Attic's green & grape leaves theme and will fit perfectly in the notch of the dormer window. :-) I'd like to go back to that house and ask if they have more or where it came from. I better get a move on - tomorrow adds two more shows (Cyrano and MacBeth) to the Tech, Dress 1 & 2 lineup that I work on the Mainstage and 6 others at the 3 other stages. A few 12 hour days there along with running West Side Story which is already in matinee previews. The next two weeks will be Happy Hell for Davy. :-) Mat 29th to May 31st is Stratford's City Wide Treasure Hunt (free junk on the curb), then the massive Kiwanis Vintage Car Show on Sunday and then the Theatre's Gala Opening Week. Dave 
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| Post# 68974 , Reply# 40 5/10/2009 at 21:27 (5,462 days old) by luxg () | ||
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People do strange things that is for sure. After paying for what that Rainbow cost new one would think they would have kept it. Sure am happy for your find though Dave. | ||
| Post# 69099 , Reply# 42 5/11/2009 at 23:55 (5,460 days old) by petek (Ontario) | ||
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speaking of montreal look at this on craigslist CLICK HERE TO GO TO petek's LINK on Montreal Craigslist | ||
| Post# 69100 , Reply# 43 5/12/2009 at 00:01 (5,460 days old) by sireluxomatic () | ||
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Hi Pete. I saw that one as well. I also found some pictures of it in the archives. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sireluxomatic's LINK | ||
| Post# 69167 , Reply# 45 5/12/2009 at 21:56 (5,460 days old) by luxg () | ||
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Very good point Rick, I wonder what difference it would make. I believe that the new Constellations have a hole inside as well and many members here plugged that one too. | ||
| Post# 69175 , Reply# 46 5/12/2009 at 22:57 (5,459 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Slaps forehead! Of course Rick, I had forgotten that 'safety feature' for when MiLadyMiLord just kept vacuuming with a full bag destroying her motor. LOL As collectors and savour-ers of vintage machines we don't subject our precious art objects to such abusive neglect. That's why the 1/2" vacuum relief hole under my New Connie's upper handle mount is plugged up solid with a rubber grommet, as a hole that big definitely affects suction readings and flotation. I do the same to defeat that hole in any recent vacuum because, well, more IS more and exterior holes like this tend to whistle and hiss. :-) The Electrolux hole is so small, muffled inside and part of the overall vacuum bag/valve/release system I don't think plugging it would have much effect...but of course I'm gonna try it... Dave | ||
| Post# 69202 , Reply# 48 5/13/2009 at 06:57 (5,459 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Cool, Vernon, I'll check that out - plugging the hole with a grommet - and report my readings later. This is of course for a true maximum test bench suction draw, not the real world one where loose joint gaps in hoses or multi-part bag door fittings with worn latch plates can admit their own cumulative leaks. It's not like one would try vacuuming chores holding the vacuum in both hands with accessories directly attached to the intake port. How awkward! LOL The weak part of any vintage vacuum is a leaky vintage hose and that's why I have put thought and effort into perfecting the method for relining them with liquid latex. Haven't had one fail yet in 4 years. Solid vinyl hoses? Get out the coloured electrical tape... It's niggling to the Nth degree but when I subject a new to me vacuum to the overhaul Spa Treatment I want them to perform at their very best. As I said, even at 64" I was initially surprised that the J didn't pull stronger and jumped to the conclusion there was a leak or obstruction in there somewhere. Again, spoiled by the Canadian 80 series Luxs that quietly pull 75 - 80" right out of the box... :-) It is the free, fast & friendly exchange of information on this Forum that assured me the J is just fine as designed and I needn't get all ferklempt about it, other than tracking down a good hose to pair up with it. 64" is a decent number and doesn't make the J or the 1205 any less beautiful or useful in my eyes. I have many contrivances and contraptions around here that there's never a problem adapting something to get a bag chamber reading off any vacuum, bypassing slots & holes and odd shapes of lntake ports. A 1 5/8" OD section of player piano bellows tubing pressed against the inner 1 1.2" D gasket serves in this case as an airtight seal. I could just as easily have put a smaller diameter rubber ball on the Vacuum Gauge tube. Dave | ||
| Post# 69285 , Reply# 49 5/13/2009 at 22:16 (5,459 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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I take it back about the Super J being less than powerful
Tonight was the night to test some Electroluxs from both sides of the border. Proves nothing is worth jumping to conclusions over and the vacuum readings say what they say. I plugged the relief holes in both the Super J and the 1205, used the same new 4-ply bag and a tapered Dyson dusting brush end to get a tight seal on all the tests that follow. First up - 1205 @ 68". 
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| Post# 69286 , Reply# 50 5/13/2009 at 22:17 (5,459 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69287 , Reply# 51 5/13/2009 at 22:18 (5,459 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69288 , Reply# 52 5/13/2009 at 22:19 (5,459 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69289 , Reply# 53 5/13/2009 at 22:22 (5,459 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Now the Canadian models | ||
| Post# 69290 , Reply# 54 5/13/2009 at 22:23 (5,459 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69292 , Reply# 55 5/13/2009 at 22:25 (5,459 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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But wait a minute!!! | ||
| Post# 69293 , Reply# 56 5/13/2009 at 22:26 (5,459 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69294 , Reply# 57 5/13/2009 at 22:27 (5,459 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69295 , Reply# 58 5/13/2009 at 22:28 (5,459 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69297 , Reply# 59 5/13/2009 at 22:50 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Oh heck, I'll just keep going... | ||
| Post# 69298 , Reply# 60 5/13/2009 at 22:52 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69299 , Reply# 61 5/13/2009 at 22:52 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69300 , Reply# 62 5/13/2009 at 22:53 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69301 , Reply# 63 5/13/2009 at 22:54 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69302 , Reply# 64 5/13/2009 at 22:55 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69303 , Reply# 65 5/13/2009 at 22:56 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69304 , Reply# 66 5/13/2009 at 22:57 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69306 , Reply# 67 5/13/2009 at 23:08 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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One more. | ||
| Post# 69310 , Reply# 68 5/13/2009 at 23:48 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69323 , Reply# 70 5/14/2009 at 05:46 (5,458 days old) by sireluxomatic () | ||
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Dave, as I looked at the picture of the suck-o-meter contestants, it seemed that the 86, 88s and 89s were saying to each other: "Where's our old chum and confrere 87?" :) Very interesting suction comparisons. | ||
| Post# 69359 , Reply# 71 5/14/2009 at 18:10 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Bulk Testing is more arduous than I remembered... | ||
| Post# 69360 , Reply# 72 5/14/2009 at 18:21 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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ZB 55 @ 65" !!! Yes really. Interesting story. This ZB 55 was on the shelf beside the ZB30 because it's in second best cosmetic shape but had never been cleaned by me. Naturally I checked the bags on all the vacs as I proceeded down the line reconnecting cords because sometimes I will stash cords or tools inside. In this case the bag was HALF FULL...of fine plaster dust and mouse droppings. The motor filter was stuffed with more plaster dust as the bag has a big rip in it. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. so I cleaned it all up, plugged it in, turned it on and voila! The highest suction reading I have ever seen on a ZB30/50. Perhaps it has a larger motor retrofitted... Oh, and Vernon & Rick. You are so right. As soon as I got home tonight I re-tested the J and the 1205 with and without the plug - same reading with plug in and lost 2.5-3" suction with plug removed. :-) 
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| Post# 69361 , Reply# 73 5/14/2009 at 18:22 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69362 , Reply# 74 5/14/2009 at 18:23 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69363 , Reply# 75 5/14/2009 at 18:24 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69364 , Reply# 76 5/14/2009 at 18:24 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69366 , Reply# 77 5/14/2009 at 18:31 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Moved these less than cosmetic Contestants from the floor under the hoses out to the couch. Tested but didn't take pictures. Results L to R: ZB30 - 51" ZB55 - 54" ZB55 - 53" XXX #1 - 19" - needs help XXX #2 - 53" - typical LX #6 - 55 - again, expected So hushed are these vacuums that Felix lounged there for the whole procedure, even right next to the LX. LOL Good Kitty! 
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| Post# 69367 , Reply# 78 5/14/2009 at 18:35 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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This was the surprise sleeper vacuum! | ||
| Post# 69378 , Reply# 79 5/14/2009 at 21:49 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Oh no, I'm not done yet... | ||
| Post# 69379 , Reply# 80 5/14/2009 at 21:50 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69380 , Reply# 81 5/14/2009 at 21:51 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69381 , Reply# 82 5/14/2009 at 21:52 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69383 , Reply# 83 5/14/2009 at 21:53 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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| Post# 69385 , Reply# 84 5/14/2009 at 21:57 (5,458 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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Kenmore (Commander?) @ 45" Mine is the floor model with two rear wheels and the front skid. It has an eftermarket KenKart-type trolley with a cloth accessory/wands/hose storage backpack. Paint has faded evenly everywhere but where the Kart strap snaps around. Ok, now I'm done...with this one room of cylinders. :-) Dave 
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| Post# 69404 , Reply# 85 5/15/2009 at 13:07 (5,457 days old) by ridgidvac () | ||
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Premier tank vac the 2nd one (before Westinghouse pic) was one of my childhood vacs that I had. | ||
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