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Post# 64505   3/31/2009 at 17:35 (5,475 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Look at this. Tom Gasko is being a awesome friend and sent me teh scans of the actual 50th Golden Jubilee manual. Not only are they spending 3,250 bucks and there not even getting a 50th Jubilee. So look below tell me what that is??

Post# 64506 , Reply# 1   3/31/2009 at 17:44 (5,475 days old) by brandon_w_t ()        
ha

your right. good catch.

someone really wants that lux though. AND someone is going to be $3,000 richer than they would ever think they could sell this for.

The guy probably thought $500 max. But not its $3,250. He is probably partying right now!


Post# 64511 , Reply# 2   3/31/2009 at 19:19 (5,475 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

Ok I'm confused.. When I look at the vacuum in the Ebay ad the power nozzle has the Jubilee decal and the vacuum has the Jubilee decal and the box says Jubilee.. So why is it not a Jubilee?

Post# 64512 , Reply# 3   3/31/2009 at 19:26 (5,475 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)        
Sure Looks Like

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A Jubilee to me. And believe me, I was around back then.

Fred


Post# 64513 , Reply# 4   3/31/2009 at 19:26 (5,475 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

There were 2 Jubilees the Golden which was the 50th anniversarry then the Jubilee was made between it and the Super J.

Post# 64514 , Reply# 5   3/31/2009 at 19:30 (5,475 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Further more it just proves that it has the wrong hose. Why buy a NIB complete when its on 3/4th complete


Post# 64516 , Reply# 6   3/31/2009 at 19:35 (5,475 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

Please post the rest of the pictures in the manual, especially those showing the hose and attachments etc.

Post# 64517 , Reply# 7   3/31/2009 at 19:37 (5,475 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Pete I have the page with the instructions but nothing else. I will try to get that on.

Post# 64519 , Reply# 8   3/31/2009 at 19:40 (5,475 days old) by methodistbill ()        
Hose look

The hose in the photo does look different. It appears to look like a 1205 hose.

Post# 64522 , Reply# 9   3/31/2009 at 20:05 (5,475 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Told us so...what exactly? I'm confused...

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We're all agreed the price is insane even if the damn thing has serial number X-00002-X, was shrinkwrapped & sealed at the factory and never opened. Why do you say that 'there' not even getting a Golden 50th Jubilee? If you've got a point to make you'll have to be more clear for the dullards among us.

What I see in the B&W Page 3 you've posted matches the 50th (Diamond Anniversary) Golden Jubilee Model 1205 in the Ebay auction in almost every aspect, with one major identified difference and a few extra bits tossed in. Blue 50th Jubilee medallions on Vac and PN, direct connect hose - possibly from the SuperJ - to the PN wand and a box labeled 50th Jubilee Model printed on gold.

Only the hose handle in your scan appears different in that it's showing plain chrome but that could conceivably be a photo of the pre-production prototype, a common situation in manuals during model changes. That same direct connect hose in greenish blue/white double tracer with the 2 pin socket mount where the chrome swivel handle terminates was introduced on the late version Blue 1205. That would explain the familiar hoses in the Ebay ad confirming what Terry and David have already posted in Thread 5761 about its availability.

But the picture below does show the power hose you speak of. No doubt the pigtailed versions failed, were discontinued and owners had the direct connect coupler installed on the original hose or exchanged them for the Super J style.

"So look below tell me what that is??"

Besides being an embarrassing reminder of 1970s fashion sense, that is an Electrolux 50th Jubilee Model Deluxe vacuum Cleaner, probably in sparkly gold textured enamel ...like the one on Ebay. With Super J hoses - so what?

Dave

1974-75 Golden Jubilee Model 1205


Post# 64523 , Reply# 10   3/31/2009 at 20:05 (5,475 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)        
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Like all other vacuum manufacturers Electrolux had a constant stream of changing parts based upon what inventory was available. Just check out the various variations of the XXX over the years. The machine on ebay looks genuine enough to me. Enough to bid on but not enough to pay that price! Don't be so quick to pass judgement. I bought a brand new Super J with the pistol grip and PN-4 as well as an all-original 1205 with a PN-2. This machine is a perfect fit between the two. I would be willing to bet on it.

Fred


Post# 64524 , Reply# 11   3/31/2009 at 20:08 (5,475 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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1976-78 Electrolux Super J Model 1401 in smooth Gold enamel, chrome trim now painted white. New style electric hose handle.

Post# 64525 , Reply# 12   3/31/2009 at 20:10 (5,475 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Dave a orignal Golden Jubilee hose is extremly rare. Tom has 2 one in excellent condition. They are very hard to find. Dave did you ever think that the original hose means something. If it was never taken out of the box then why is there a super J hose.

For everybody who doesnt know. THE GREY BOX IS FOR A SANI WAY. THE LITTLE METAL TUBE IS A DEMOTHER. IT IS TO SECTIONS PUSHED TOGETHER YOU WOULD PUT IN THE EXHAUST AND VAPORIZE THEM IN YOUR CLOSET.

Dave why would they have that and the instructions on how to use and set up the pig tail connection when they would use direct connect? I would put up the other picturers but no matter what I do on adobe its almost impossible to post them.
It wouldnt make sense.

Can I see a show of hands who will give me 3250 bucks and I will give you a Aerus Guardian with a after market hose???? Oh I will give you a NIB XXX without the power plant.


Post# 64527 , Reply# 13   3/31/2009 at 20:18 (5,475 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)        
Here Is

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The cover of the Super J manual. Evan-I guess I know where you are getting your information and that is unfortunate. But it is wrong.

Post# 64528 , Reply# 14   3/31/2009 at 20:20 (5,475 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Oh my Fred so going against Tom again. Thats sad.(shaking head) So if I email you the imgage you will post it for me I guess?

Post# 64529 , Reply# 15   3/31/2009 at 20:26 (5,475 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)        
Nope

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Just stating the facts.

Post# 64530 , Reply# 16   3/31/2009 at 20:27 (5,475 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Then post the photos I just emailed you. You seem to have the magic touch on everything.

Post# 64531 , Reply# 17   3/31/2009 at 20:27 (5,475 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)        
Why Would I

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Have to post the image? You can do it yourself.

Post# 64532 , Reply# 18   3/31/2009 at 20:29 (5,475 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

I have tried on adobe It wont upload it says its to large. I have tried cropping and resizing it. Nothing

Post# 64535 , Reply# 19   3/31/2009 at 20:39 (5,475 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

When I look at the actual pictures in the Ebay auction there is an owners manual included for the Jubilee Vacuum and the picture of the hose on the cover of that Jubilee Vacuum manual looks just like the hoses that go with the vacuum. That Jubilee owners manual is not the same owners manual Kyle is showing with a different hose. So obviously there was a chnage in hoses somewhere before or during when they started selling them.
As for the demother.. well if that's not part of the vacuum set then it's just something the owner thinks might be part of it and is including it.. It does not make the Jubilee he's selling not a Jubilee. I could sell a NIB Singer Sewing machine I know nothing about and throw in a demother thinking it went with it.. It would still be a NIB Singer Sewing machine


Post# 64545 , Reply# 20   3/31/2009 at 20:50 (5,475 days old) by xraytech ()        

Evan,
Here is a pic of the manual that goes with the Golden Jubilee on ebay, you can clearly see that the pattern of the hose is the same as the one that comes with the vacuum. You can also see that it has the direct connect hose too, so that is the correct hose for this model.
It is clearly a 5oth anniversary Golden Jubilee model, look at the decals on the canister and PN.

My great aunt had and probably still has a golden jubilee that was in mint condition with the original hose and it is a hose like what is shown on ebay, she never had anything replaced on it and it was very well cared for. She also has an olympia one which replaced a model G and there were still accessories for the G floating around the house well after it was gone. So most likley this lux was from an estate where the owner was a loyal repeat lux customer and had unused lux accessories that the person selling this unit believes belongs with it, remember not every one knows alot about vacuums.


Post# 64547 , Reply# 21   3/31/2009 at 20:52 (5,475 days old) by xraytech ()        

here is a pic of the hoses that go with the NIB Golden Jubilee, sure looks like the hose pictured on the manual to me

Post# 64550 , Reply# 22   3/31/2009 at 21:01 (5,475 days old) by dirtfinder1 ()        
That is a Golden Jubilee!!!!

Ok! That machine is a Golden Jubliee from 1975! It is correct in every detail from the power nozzle to the hose to the attachments and sheath. Yes the gray box on the side maybe not be original but who cares. Electrolux only made TWO Jubilee models.......The Golden Jubliee in 1974-1975 and the Diamond Jubliee from 1984-1987. That machine is perfect in every way. The Golden Jubilee power nozzle was chrome with the 50th anniv seal on it just like in the picture. I am 100% sure on all these facts. And a golden jubliee hose is about as rare as a Hoover Windtunnel! I've thrown more away then I can even count. Also, to back myself up I even asked Cecilia who has been selling Electrolux's new since 1952 and she stated that the machine was correct in every detail. And I assure you she would know. She was at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel when the machine was introducted and was given a 50th anniversary metal that everyone had to wear during the convention so I'm sure she would know. Also below is a history chart from Aerus with machine models and dates. While not complete by any standards it does show the main models and the years which they were produced.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO dirtfinder1's LINK


Post# 64551 , Reply# 23   3/31/2009 at 21:02 (5,475 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Don't be so quick to pass judgement and please lay off t

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Ad Copy reads:

This listing is for a never used vintage Electrolux 50th Jubilee model vacuum.
* Comes in the original box. Box has some rips and wear but still holds the vacuum.
* Original receipt from 1975 and manual are also included.
* Includes a variety of hoses and attachments as pictured.
* Items pictured are the exact ones the winning bidder will receive.
* Again it has never been used. There is no hair or other wear to the bottom of the vacuum attachment proving this.

No mention or claim that the vacuum & accessories have not been unboxed nor that it is NIB complete. The non-collector seller, who is an employee of a Store franchise which is part of a worldwide network of independently owned and operated businesses operating under the iSold It brand name selling for a third party, merely states firmly that he believes it has not been used. We know better of course.

We also know well enough that the gray caddy contains non-Electrolux items. As for this de-mother, you insert it at the end of a hose or wand in the exhaust stream, not the exhaust port. I'm sure we're all familiar with the XXX/LX/E/AE/G etc style de-mother that does connect directly to the Lux Exhaust port providing a second port for connecting the hose if one wishes..

I see no instructions about this style of demother or how to set up the pigtail connection but then, as already pointed out, the manual you refer to is presumably the first issue, not the ones subsequent to the hose change.

Simple to do a screen capture of an Adobe page. Tap Print Screen key which copies the screen to Clipboard storage, then paste in photo editor of choice, edit and re-size and post as a jpeg.

Can anyone else confirm that it is an Electrolux issue De-mother tube? I have several of this smooth narrow chrome type for different makes of vacuum hoses but I stand by to be corrected if Electrolux re-issued it for use with the 1205...

Going, going, gone for $3,250.





Post# 64552 , Reply# 24   3/31/2009 at 21:09 (5,475 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

Well now the seller has to pray the "buyer" has the money to pay for it LOL

Post# 64553 , Reply# 25   3/31/2009 at 21:10 (5,475 days old) by dirtfinder1 ()        
Sorry....

Sorry........the chemo is getting to me. Evan in the instruction manual picture I believe they have a non electric hose attached to the machine and as most of us know sometimes manual pictures aren't always reliable.

Post# 64554 , Reply# 26   3/31/2009 at 21:12 (5,475 days old) by crevicetool (GA )        
Sam,

Nice job of blowing up the pictures of the hoses. And they are the correct hoses.

Evan,
I sold Electrolux at the transition period from Golden J to Super J. They were basically the same machine except for the more powerful suction motor. In fact, the Super J is one-half inch longer then the Golden J to accommodate the new motor. Otherwise it's the "same machine". I've included a scan of the "Electrolux News" that I kept from those days of selling 'Lux. You can see in the pictures that the hoses are the same - whether attached to the Golden J or the Super J. Perhaps your source is correct about early hoses and connections, but as has been mentioned earlier in this and the other thread, as parts inventories are depleted, newer, or different parts become available, and are included with later shipments. I only remember the direct connect hose. Those are what I sold. Just a word of caution: One should evaluate ALL possibilities before shouting "I told you so".

Rick


Post# 64555 , Reply# 27   3/31/2009 at 21:16 (5,475 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
1975-75 Electrolux Golden Jubilee Model 1205-J

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Whoops. Forgot to post the pic. Kinda loses it's impact this late but what the heck...

Dave


Post# 64556 , Reply# 28   3/31/2009 at 21:18 (5,475 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

Now that one Dave has a different non pisstol hose


Post# 64557 , Reply# 29   3/31/2009 at 21:24 (5,475 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)        
BTW

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That Super J is one of my favorite vacuums of all times. Just wish I could find the gold electric hose with the blue tracer in great shape.

Fred


Post# 64560 , Reply# 30   3/31/2009 at 21:36 (5,475 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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That should read 1974 to 1975 for the Electrolux Golden Jubilee Model 1205-J.

"a golden jublilee hose is about as rare as a Hoover Windtunnel!"

Agreed, and since I have perfected the art of liquid latex impregnating leaking but cosmetically decent hoses I may have the suckiest collection of usable vintage hoses around. LOL


I am enjoying this thread immensely. Thank you all for your participation.

D


Post# 64602 , Reply# 31   4/1/2009 at 05:07 (5,475 days old) by myvacsrock (USA)        
"That Jubilee owners manual is not the same owners manu

I know it was a typo just making clear i am not the one arguing. Thanks

Kyle


Post# 64604 , Reply# 32   4/1/2009 at 06:46 (5,475 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

Sorry Kyle..happens when you get old and forget to take your medicine

Post# 64605 , Reply# 33   4/1/2009 at 06:52 (5,475 days old) by myvacsrock (USA)        
LOL..

No Prob. Taken it today? haha

Post# 64608 , Reply# 34   4/1/2009 at 07:02 (5,475 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Yes Pete, that is the first hose the Golden Jubilee model 1205 came with, The direct connect style was introduced late in the run of blue 1205s with a simple metal handle with a suction adjustment ring near the tip. In Terry's thread 5786 about the Olympic One my blue late style 1205 with this same hose makes an appearance.

We have now established that the Pistol Grip hose made its debut during the early days of the Golden Jubilee and was also made available in blue as a replacement hose for previous models.


Canadian Electrolux's had a differently engineered electric - and non - hose, trigger grip and connection blades setup for the AP series and similarly made those new hoses in colors to match many models, including the 80 series in tan/white when the green and red braid strips ran out.

As I said, my late posting of this picture (from Doug's site) sort of diluted it's impact and relevancy in the discussion. It does show that all hoses exist in their timer and place.

Dave


Post# 64618 , Reply# 35   4/1/2009 at 10:21 (5,474 days old) by eluxomarty (Palm Springs)        
Learn something new everyday!

It really is true what they say. You can learn something new everyday. I learned there were different versions of the Golden J just as there were different versions of the 1205.

KirbyKid, thanks for clearing up my confusion about the Saniway box and spray jar. You didn't have to shout though.

So, from looking at the pix in this thread, it appears there are two versions of the hose, two versions of the power nozzle and three versions of the owner's manuals.

Got it.


Post# 64660 , Reply# 36   4/1/2009 at 16:49 (5,474 days old) by akabent (LEFT Coast)        
two/three versions...

Yes! And like Fred stated earlier, virtually all vacuum manufacturers had a continuum or stream of parts and/or accessories and the manuals surely did not keep up with them!
RB


Post# 65100 , Reply# 37   4/5/2009 at 20:20 (5,470 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
exactly !!

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just look at lots of HOOVER manuals... loads of proof

Post# 65108 , Reply# 38   4/5/2009 at 21:14 (5,470 days old) by jdinstl ()        
This fool is gonna dance where angels dare not tread...

...but folks...remember...the last time we all sqawked about how outrageous a price someone paid for something -- they joined the site! Myself, I was kinda embarrassed.

Again, many reasons why someone would pay such a price. And let's put some of this in a particular perspective. If Stan Kann's collection would go for something along the lines of $1,000.00 per vac, we'd be cheering with joy.

We decry various vacs going to dumpsters and crushers, at the hands of people who don't share the same sentiments we do. Yet when an eBay bidder does share those sentiments in some form or other, and backs it up with their billfold -- we question their sanity.

Sort of a double standard don't you think? People would look in my "showroom" and say "what a bunch of junk." But to me, they're history, they're unique, they're fun, they resonate something good in me.

Cheers!

John


Post# 65109 , Reply# 39   4/5/2009 at 21:21 (5,470 days old) by crevicetool (GA )        

Well said John.

Post# 65112 , Reply# 40   4/5/2009 at 21:30 (5,470 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

Speaking of the Stan Kann collection, no takers, zip, nada, gonzo.


Post# 65118 , Reply# 41   4/5/2009 at 21:38 (5,470 days old) by jdinstl ()        

I was wondering about that Pete.

Post# 65120 , Reply# 42   4/5/2009 at 21:41 (5,470 days old) by vintageroyal611 ()        

Just when I thought this thread was gone for good...


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