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Post# 59911   2/5/2009 at 05:13 (5,552 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        

What will they try and sell us next! Has anyone seen the infomercial with the new Oreck "Halo" vacuum. It has two motors. One to run the brush and one for the Halo light chamber. I had to just turn off the infomercial. I have an Oreck and it's soooo loud I can't stand to use it. Wonder if these new Orecks are any better? They are telling us "IF THE LIGHT IS ON, THE GERMS ARE GONE"-yeah right! What do you think? Now they have tools attached to the machine. I thought their whole thing was to sell you the separate canister cleaner!

Post# 59912 , Reply# 1   2/5/2009 at 05:34 (5,552 days old) by myvacsrock (USA)        
Halos..

These are not actually made by Oreck, if i am wrong correct me, but i am 99% sure they are not. Honestly, i think they are made in some "cheap China" factory, kinda like everything else. :(

Post# 59915 , Reply# 2   2/5/2009 at 08:44 (5,552 days old) by hoovercelebrity (Germany)        
Halo...

They were based in Charlotte, NC... and I heard that Oreck bought them out. So, now I wouldn't be surprised if they've merged the two.

...Yup, it's true. Just googled it.

See link:


CLICK HERE TO GO TO hoovercelebrity's LINK


Post# 59917 , Reply# 3   2/5/2009 at 09:11 (5,552 days old) by vinvac (Dubuque IA)        

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Halo,

Again, another way to lure people in...you will never convince me that a UV light is going to kill all those germs in one pass of the vacuum....but I am sure they will sell...look at bagless...they seemed to make it.

Just my own two cents here, but at some point we are going to kill ourselves off by using so much anti-bacterial anti-germ...whatever...your body needs to keep building a resistance to such things...if you take that all away - when something does hit....your body can't protect itself.

But if anyone can market this, it will be David Oreck.

Side note...Wal-Mart here in Dubuque Land is now carring the Hoover/Oreck version of a lighweight cleaner. The canister looks to be a sturdy machine as well as the upright, but the tools on the canister can not compare to the Oreck. However, the bag in the canister is a good Hepa quality bag...much better than the Oreck....wish I could try one to see what they are like. I think they may go over well as the price is only 398.00.....giving Oreck a run for the money.

Morgan



Post# 59929 , Reply# 4   2/5/2009 at 14:45 (5,551 days old) by myvacsrock (USA)        
Wow!

I am surprised! how cool, yet if it is anything like Oreck junk....well..i think you know..

Post# 59933 , Reply# 5   2/5/2009 at 14:59 (5,551 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

Oh come on, Kyle, do you have to call it "junk?" Obviously, you don't think all Oreck is junk. You do have an XL-4000 in your collection. Must we use such harsh language?

Post# 59934 , Reply# 6   2/5/2009 at 15:30 (5,551 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

UV light will kill any germs as they pass by or thru the light BUT all those germs are more or less instantly replaced my millions more the second anything touches the "cleaned" area so the whole process is rather pointless. We don't live in sterile environments so sterilizing something as silly as carpet is futile.

Post# 59936 , Reply# 7   2/5/2009 at 15:56 (5,551 days old) by myvacsrock (USA)        
Not to put it down further but...

Do people go slow enough for the light to actually work? I mean i don't go fast, but i also don't spend all day vacuuming, so that's all i am wondering about.



Post# 59937 , Reply# 8   2/5/2009 at 17:52 (5,551 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

There really isn't a "time limit" as to how long germs have to stay in the light to be killed iirc they are killed instantaneously when exposed to UV light no matter how brief. UV lights have long been used in things like electric clothes dryers and water filtering systems. The point is it's pointless killing them on something as dirty and germ laden as a floor is to begin with. . It's not different than when you run your dishwasher on a "sanitize" cycle. The second your fingers touch those dishes to remove them from the dishwasher they are no longer "sanitized" they are covered with germs again. Besides the types of "germs" normally found around the house aren't that harmful to begin with unless someone in the house is carrying a horribly infectious disease and no vacuum cleaner is going to help with that.

Post# 59938 , Reply# 9   2/5/2009 at 17:53 (5,551 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO)        
"Junk"

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Oreck's machines aren't junk. This, however, is gimmicky, which I don't like. I actually think it's beneath Oreck's dignity to gimmick like this.

Post# 59939 , Reply# 10   2/5/2009 at 18:00 (5,551 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
'I actually think it's beneath Oreck's dignity t

Not like those wonderfully-scientific bowling-ball ads, then?

:)


Post# 59940 , Reply# 11   2/5/2009 at 18:05 (5,551 days old) by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO)        

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Snap, Jack...

Post# 59950 , Reply# 12   2/5/2009 at 19:49 (5,551 days old) by vinvac (Dubuque IA)        

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"Junk" is a very strong term for a good vacuum. I never thought of Oreck as a good vacuum until I had one given to me as a gift. It is my daily driver and I would not be with out it.

I have the deluxe model, and quite frankly, it will out clean a lot of vacuums out there. It may not be the most well built machine, but for me it does exactly what I want it to do.

Gimmick's get me as well, the bowling ball, now the Halo...germ killing machine...but regardless of what we think, the man has built a wonderful business and has done very well for himself...

Morgan


Post# 59967 , Reply# 13   2/6/2009 at 00:05 (5,551 days old) by mattl ()        
Second or Third the thought.....JUNK

Junk is the operative word for Oreck vacs. My aunt has one, we all tried to talk her out if it, but I used it once when I did some work in her family room and it's junk. Awkward to use, stupid forward facing handle, too light to get down into the carpet and get the junk out of the fiber. No thanks. Oreck the Ronco or Bose of the vacuum world.

Post# 59974 , Reply# 14   2/6/2009 at 05:13 (5,551 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Oreck "Halo"-Thats about as ridiculous as the "Hygenitech" Kirby matteress vacuum with the add on UV light.UV germicidal light may be nice-but think its useless on a vacuum cleaner.

Post# 59975 , Reply# 15   2/6/2009 at 05:57 (5,551 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Oreck Halo

I think maybe "junk" is a little strong. I agree with Patrick and Morgan. I have the yellow Oreck. I will have to say it is one of my least favorite vacuums. Not because of the quality issue but because it just does not work well in my house. The bags seems to be good. I don't like having to keep lifting the machine to change surfaces and I don't like the high pitched sound of the motor or the "stripes" it leaves on my carpeting, but I know Orecks have customers that love the machine. Just from watching the infomercial this Halo machine does not look to be the same quality as the rest of their line. Hate to see Oreck go the route of the Hoover company and lose their idenity. If there is ONE thing I have learned from the vac club is that there is no ONE correct vacuum for everyone and every situation. It will be interesting to see if this "Halo" is a success.
Rob


Post# 59991 , Reply# 16   2/6/2009 at 10:43 (5,550 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I agree the "Junk" term to be honest. In my 2 experiences of using Oreck vacuums I have found them to be ridiculously loud and have minimal suction power. They're great sweepers, but for what you get, i'd sooner have one of those rechargable carpet sweepers. Overpriced pile of badly made, badly designed and poorly performing junk. It doesn't even SOUND like it's doing anything. Even with my old Electrolux 502, you can hear the air wooshing through it. Those Oreck informercial's have me in stitches when they start slagging off bagless vacuums. Anybody on here that's chatted with me before knows about my sheer disgust of bagless vacuums - but I'd sooner own a bagless machine than an Oreck. At least all those cheap bagless vacuums have some sort of suction. I can safetly say, an Oreck is something that will never enter my house.

Post# 59994 , Reply# 17   2/6/2009 at 11:05 (5,550 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        
Die-Soon

Well, that's why Baskin Robbins makes 31 flavors. You Turbo500 are NOT AN ORECK CUSTOMER! I consider the Dyson "junk." I have two (both I only have because I found them in the garbage). The roller brush is nothing more than a ruler with bristles on the end that tears up the carpet fibers. Their customer service is absolutely atrocious (you have to go through a third party to order anything) and the machine is waaaay overpriced from the getgo. To top it all off, you're paying all this money for a machine that's not even made in the UK anymore! I hate James Dyson for what he did to his UK employees, I'd love to see him in an episode of Celebrity Deathmatch against Simon Cowell.

Post# 59996 , Reply# 18   2/6/2009 at 11:23 (5,550 days old) by vintagehoover ()        
Overpriced!

That's an interesting comment. In the UK, an Oreck XL7 retails at £419. The TOL Miele S7 Autocare HEPA S7580 upright sells for £322.20. Unless weight was the deciding factor, who would possibly spend nearly £100 more on the Oreck?!

Over here, Orecks are sold primarily to the elderly as a lightweight upright, mainly through ads in the back of Saga Magazine (insurance and cruise-ship holidays for the over-50's). They also bombard people with junkmail in an attempt to promote their product. I mean, come on - they still brag about their 'top-fill bag'!

Dyson customer service in the UK is excellent, I've used it myself. A same-day response from the engineer, and everything done totally free under the 5-year warranty.


Post# 59998 , Reply# 19   2/6/2009 at 11:30 (5,550 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Ohio_Tuec...

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Argos (a UK catalogue shop) currently are selling the DC14 at about £140 (about $206). I would much rather own a Dyson than an Oreck and I don't like bagless vacuums AT ALL. I'm completely with Jack regarding the Oreck. The last time I saw an offer for them was in Readers Digest.

And I have to say - my aunt had her Dyson collected for repair and hand delivered back to her house in the space of a week by a Dyson engineer so I have no problems with their customer service.

And Dyson actually have suction power. Why would I want to pay £400 for a noisy carpet sweeper when I can pay around £100/£200 less for a Miele or Sebo upright which does a MUCH better job and is considerably quieter?


Post# 59999 , Reply# 20   2/6/2009 at 11:33 (5,550 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        
Dyson Customer service

Well, here in New York, it's a disaster. Dyson REFUSED to sell me anything directly because they could not tabulate New York sales tax. As a result, I had to go through Sears (probably paying more) to get the parts I needed. For the same price you could buy a DC07 - $399., you could have a nice middle of the road Oreck (model U3770) which to me, would be money much better spent. Plus, with the Oreck you get free yearly service. I dare say Dyson doesn't do that. Maybe if James Dyson would build a cleaner that uses a bag, he'd get it right!

Post# 60000 , Reply# 21   2/6/2009 at 11:36 (5,550 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

Maybe in the UK, you don't have as large a selection of vacuums. I will say this. I'm sorry Fantom is no longer in business, they produced a better quality bagless vac than the Dyson. Even the Amway ClearTrak is a better choice.

Post# 60007 , Reply# 22   2/6/2009 at 15:40 (5,550 days old) by filterqueen83 ()        
our orecks

My mother and I both love ours its not a daily driver more of a quick picker upper. I have no complaints. whats noisy is my concepts they are friggin loud.

Post# 60009 , Reply# 23   2/6/2009 at 16:27 (5,550 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Well, over here, Dyson come with 5 years parts and labor. In all honestly, what good is a yearly service when the vacuum does nothing in the first place? Like I said, it's a great sweeper. But that's all it is. It has limited suction power.. Check out the link below...it's on a par with the Oreck IMO.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO turbo500's LINK


Post# 60010 , Reply# 24   2/6/2009 at 16:48 (5,550 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

Well, to me, having free yearly service on a vacuum means something. I will grant that your Dyson has greater suction power, but what good is it if the roller brush is so aggressive and tears up the fibers of your carpet? I wouldn't dare use it on my newly installed wall-to-wall carpet because I know the bin will be filled with fiber and the carpet threadbare in no time. Not to mention the fact that bagless machines spew dust particles back in the air much more easily than a bagged cleaner. If what you and Vintagehoover are saying is true, we here in America are getting SCREWED pricewise on Dyson. I would love to see a brand new DC-14 available here for $206.00. James Dyson is trying to pawn off his wares to unsuspecting US customers for double the price! Another reason to not make me want to buy one.....

Post# 60011 , Reply# 25   2/6/2009 at 17:01 (5,550 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

The new DC27 will be launched in this country later this month, and the most expensive version, the 'Animal', is supposed to sell for £299. The most expensive Dyson I can find onsale at the moment is the DC21 Motorhead, and even that's only £322 - still nearly £100 less than an Oreck XL7.

But I find the comparison with the Miele S7 most illuminating; regardless of what you think of Dyson, surely you must agree the S7 is a fantastic, excellent quality, reliable cleaner. What about the design or the construction of the Oreck and that little hand-thing it comes with makes it worth £100 more than the S7? You're not exactly getting more vac for your money!

Talk about getting screwed pricewise!


Post# 60018 , Reply# 26   2/6/2009 at 19:18 (5,550 days old) by animasinsulin ()        
Re: Die-soon

I agree with you on that one. My friend Linda bought a purple dyson 2 yrs. ago and the drive belt whatever you call it thing stopped the brush roll. She took it to be reparied and that will be $150.00. She said f8ck that and now I will find her something good on Ebay......Bill in Az.....

Post# 60019 , Reply# 27   2/6/2009 at 20:00 (5,550 days old) by dsmiler ()        

OK... I have worked on both.. There's not much to an Oreck and they are easy to work on. I think they are over priced for what you get. Mostly what you are paying for is the "free tune ups". I sell the Simplicity Freedom which is a better value and I think a better stronger machine. Does Oreck invent anything? The vacuum is a RCA/Whirlpool design that was rejected, the floor scrubber was originally the Orbiter (I have one of the originals) now the Oreck Orbiter, the carpet cleaner is from the out of business Regina, the hand canisters are made by other companies. The Ironman is made by Douglas and theirs is the TinyTurbo.

Dyson. What a nightmare. If you purchase one you must follow the instructions to the letter or expect a hefty repair bill and what a dust pit and a mess. I saw in Consumer Reports the Dyson is listed with fewer repairs. I can only assume that it is reported repairs. I take more in trade in and most wind up spare parts or in the dumpster. I think once the hype is removed there are better machines that are longer lasting for less money. Anyone remember the original Fantom?


Post# 60020 , Reply# 28   2/6/2009 at 20:15 (5,550 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

'If you purchase one you must follow the instructions to the letter or expect a hefty repair bill...'

Since when did doing this become such a challege for people?! They seem to expect their machines to work flawlessly with zero maintenance...it's just laziness!

All the Dyson requires is its filter washing every 3-6 months. If you're the forgetful type, you can go to the Dyson website and sign up for a service they offer where they'll send you an automated email every few months to remind you to wash the filters! It couldn't be easier! I can't believe people actually struggle with this...


Post# 60021 , Reply# 29   2/6/2009 at 20:29 (5,550 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

The Fantoms yes. I loved mine. Tom Gasko has every single model. I have a dyson and I love it. Like you see above you can have dyson send you a email. My uncle brougth me his animal to give it a tune up. He never cleaned the filter and it had alot of power left. I love the new dc17. Wait till you see the new models. You wont know what coming. :-)

Post# 60022 , Reply# 30   2/6/2009 at 20:37 (5,550 days old) by swingette ()        

Lets not forget what happened the last time we had a fight over Dyson...

Post# 60023 , Reply# 31   2/6/2009 at 20:42 (5,550 days old) by dsmiler ()        

The problem is that most people do not read the instruction manuals so they would not know that they car sign up. Unfortunately Dyson's are mostly sold in education free environments. All of my customers that have had problems and dislike the Dyson just think it's a typical vacuum and just start using it. It's amazing to me how many can quote the commercial "No filter to replace...ever" and think that it has no filters at all and are completely surprised when I show them the filter.

Post# 60024 , Reply# 32   2/6/2009 at 20:43 (5,550 days old) by dsmiler ()        

And the Oreck Halo. Looks like they purchased another out of business product.

Post# 60026 , Reply# 33   2/6/2009 at 20:55 (5,550 days old) by dsmiler ()        

Mine is not a commentary on the quality of a Dyson just the expectations of the average customer who spends the money on one. You can't blame Dyson for hitting the mass market with the product but I think it would be best suited in a vacuum store where The customer can be educated on the product. I think if you are going to ask a person to spend that much on a vacuum you owe it to them to educate them. I wouldn't mind selling it in my store. At least I could try and get them to bring it in once a year for a free check up.

Post# 60038 , Reply# 34   2/6/2009 at 22:35 (5,550 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

I don't think anyone can argue this fact - Dyson is a complicated piece of machinery. Moreso than it needs to be. Oreck attacks this fact in some of their advertising, and rightly so. They do have belts that go bad, and the clutch mechanism that drives the brushroll in the DC07 is a veritable nightmare! I can't comment on the quality or performance of the Miele S7. In all honesty, I have never seen one nor do I know if it is available in the United States or not. I'm really not interested in Miele vacuums. I'm not saying Oreck is the be-all to end-all of vacuums, what I am saying is most people will prefer the convenience of changing a bag rather than washing filters. Oh sure, they'll empty the dust bin, they won't clean the seals properly when replacing it, and in no time at all, the machine will be covered with dust. It would still seem to me as if we're paying double or triple here in the states for the same machine you can get in the U.K. James Dyson should be ashamed of himself for doing that!

Post# 60047 , Reply# 35   2/7/2009 at 06:09 (5,550 days old) by vacuumfreeeke ()        

Wow. This thread got a little heated. I don't think there is anything wrong with someone calling a machine junk. It is just their opinion, and it is about a machine, not a person on this forum.

I thought that the Oreck/Halo merger was going to result in a machine that looked like an Oreck, but that just had the UV light underneath. I was a LITTLE shocked to see that it's still a "Halo", but just in a different color. Halo must have had lots of machines in stock to unload before the merger. It doesn't surprise me though... Good ol' Dave always uses other designs and calls them his own... he's not really invented anything.

Now that I've had my Oreck for over a month, I think I can comment on it. My Oreck is pretty loud, and not very powerful. It does pick up better since I bought a new brushroll for it (and an aftermarket brushroll was better quality than an original... the belt pulley was metal instead of plastic). My Oreck actually has a CHANGE in motor pitch as the motor bogs down when I go over surface litter (like cat litter). I watched the Oreck demo on HSN.COM and noticed the same thing! It takes more than one pass to pick up powder on very flat pile carpet. I enjoy having it as a member of my collection, but I would not use it as a daily driver or expect stellar performance from it.

I've had my Dyson DC14 since last May. I bought a used machine, and even though that model is my least favorite Dyson (I'd even prefer a DC07), it seems to perform OK. Of course it took me a month to get rid of the dog smell, but I only paid 100 bucks for it used... I wouldn't pay a new price for one (unless they ever make that self-propelled I've heard rumors about, then I might just "need" it). My does have a problem with the clutch system... every now and then it will click when I'm using it. It doesn't seem to affect performance though... just annoying sound. If the belt ever goes, I will not fix the clutch. I will just throw the machine in the garbage and get a different model. As a collector, I don't like bagless because there's no bag to inflate or puff out. Plus it's messy. However, if I were going to have any bagless, Dyson would be the one. So much better than the machines with the filters inside. Easy to use tools and decent suction as well. Sometimes, I like seeing what was in the floor, and for that I'll use the Dyson. What I don't understand is why so many people actually hate Dyson. It's not perfect, but really, there are a LOT worse choices in the vacuum world... especially bagless.


Post# 60048 , Reply# 36   2/7/2009 at 06:34 (5,550 days old) by vacuumfreeeke ()        

I agree with the person who said (original) Fantoms were better than Dyson. They looked better, cleaned better, and were simpler to use. The attachments were dismal and the hose suction was almost non-existent, yet still, they picked up better than a Dyson. Must be the brush roll.

Ohio_tuec, I also wasn't interested in Miele vacuums until I found a great deal on mine. Now I get warm fuzzy feelings in my vacuum heart just thinking about it. It's a joy to use, performs excellent, and is quite attractive. All my machines are on display in the living room except my Miele. It's in the bedroom... it's my baby and it's always with me. Not to mention the fact that my one bedroom apartment is pretty small, and I ran out of room in the living room for more cleaners! LOL


Post# 60050 , Reply# 37   2/7/2009 at 07:16 (5,550 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Ohio_tuec..

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..I agree with you COMPLETELY about Dyson. I don't like them at all. Loud, bulky, cheap construction and a lousy brush roll and a mess to empty and wash out. My relatives in the states came over not so long ago and were amazed that my aunt over here has a Dyson as they're so expensive in the states. My aunt's reaction was "Oh i only paid about £150 for it" - so yes, you're getting ripped off. I saw reconditioned DC07's on Leeds Market today for £15. What I disagree with you on, is your praise of Oreck and the way have completely brushed off Miele. Oreck and Dyson for me come into the same category of "vacuums I will never use in my house". You seem to be ignoring the fact that the Oreck is a shit vacuum and praising the customer service of the company. Yes, Oreck make great sweepers, but that's all. You said that the Dyson brush roll is too aggressive and will rip up the carpet fibres. Well an Oreck will leave behind all that deep-down and trodden in grit that over time will shred the carpet fibres anyway because it has ABYSMAL suction power - so in the end, what difference does it make?

As for the blasphemy of not being interested in Miele - well I just have to laugh that you'd rather use an Oreck over the best canister vacuums on the market today. I own 2 Miele cylinders and they are both fantastic! Better than ANY cylinder on the market today - reliable, powerful, quiet and easy to empty. As for the S7's, I still can't decided weather or not I prefer Sebo uprights. I don't own an S7 but have tested one in store and it was amazing but it's bloody heavy! The Sebo does an equally good job and is much lighter but it's not as quiet and the Miele has the fantastic swivel neck that makes it so much easier to use.


Post# 60051 , Reply# 38   2/7/2009 at 07:49 (5,550 days old) by vinvac (Dubuque IA)        

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Miele..

I love my Miele Capricorn...a wonderful vacuum...great air movement, quiet. My only complaint would be the hose is about a foot to short. I tend not to use is as a daily cleaner because of that. It feels like the older Luxes, the hose had that cuff on the end that made it stiff and bulky...feeling like you were always pulling the canister with you. The newer vinyl hoses eliminate that problem..and I beleive they are the same length, they just don't have the cuff.

The filtration on the Miele is awesome...never any signs of dust even in the bag chamber itself. Now, if they would make a good dusting brush, lengthen the hose...I would be happy.

My point to all of this is, I like them all. Some may feel like junk, look like junk...but in the overall picture play a part in what this club is all about - Preserving the History of the Vacuum Cleaner.


Post# 60052 , Reply# 39   2/7/2009 at 08:26 (5,550 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Ohio_Tuec, what confuses me is that you got upset at people calling Oreck junk, but instead of defending it, you just lashed out at another brand and called that junk instead!

Vacuumfreeeke made the very valid point, which echos what Fred Stachnick and I agreed on on a previous thread: 'What I don't understand is why so many people actually hate Dyson. It's not perfect, but really, there are a LOT worse choices in the vacuum world... especially bagless.' I couldn't agree more!

Before Dyson came along, vacuum technology had stagnated; the same old machines, jazzed up with flashing LEDs and occasional facelifts, but really nothing new, or particularly innovative. Now the vacuum market is seeing the kind of product development it's lacked since the 1920s, with Hoover and Air-Way slugging it out! It's an exciting time, and I can't see why some people resent it so much. Is it just that they're scared to move away from what they know?


Post# 60053 , Reply# 40   2/7/2009 at 08:52 (5,550 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Jack...

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..the reason I dislike Dyson is not based on it's performance. In terms of what it does - it's a good vacuum. It's everything else I don't like. It's cheaply made and in my experience, things tend to snap off or drop off or crack and break and they don't last that long at all. For what you pay for them, I would expect them to last longer. I also HATE emptying bagless vacuums. Those Oreck infomercial's make me laugh when they show the woman emptying the dust into the kitchen bin and it blowing everywhere - who in there right mind would empty it in the kitchen? Take it outside you idiot! But they get the point across. The dust blows everywhere when you empty them - usually all over the person doing the emptying. I also hold them fully responsible for this mad bagless craze which means that formerly respected companies such as Hoover and Electrolux are now churning out badly designed, badly performing cheap piles of crap that rely too much on the filters which are coming in direct contact with the dust and clogging and then the machine overheats and cuts out because the motor is struggling too much which means it takes you about 3 hours to vacuum the house in one go. Say what you want about vacuums before the Dyson - but the Turbopower's, Turbomasters, Lux 500/600 & contour series and the Panasonic 40 and 50 series were all GOOD vacuums that lasted. I know people still using there TP's and 500's and Juniors, TP Juniors and MCE-40's on a daily basis and it's been 11 years since the last TP, 16 years (ish) since the 40 series and 22 years since the last Junior was made. You won't get 22 years out of a Dyson. If Dyson were more sturdy and built to last, then I would like them more. But it's bagless in general I don't like.

Post# 60054 , Reply# 41   2/7/2009 at 09:12 (5,550 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Chris, I'd rather have a cleaner which does an excellent job for 5 years than one which does a mediocre job for 20.

When you say they're cheaply made - which Dyson models do you own? What's the most recent one? Have you owned it since new? Do you use it regularly in your home? What are you basing your judgement on?

Remember, too, that Dyson machines are totally covered by their 5-year guarantee.

Also, no one forced Hoover and Electrolux to churn out Chinese-made, cheap rip-offs of Dyson technology. They could have championed the bag, like Miele and Sebo do, and continued to make good quality, bagged cleaners. But they didn't, they gave in, which is as good as admitting defeat in the eyes of the public. In effect, it's saying 'We were wrong, Dyson was right. Our cleaners are inferior to theirs, so we've been forced to copy their designs.' They made some very poor decisions, and they've been suffering ever since.

Hoover UK only offer 2 bagged models in their entire range! Only the new Airvolution range come close to rivalling the efficiency of the Dyson cyclonic system.


Post# 60056 , Reply# 42   2/7/2009 at 10:13 (5,549 days old) by turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Jack,

My grandparents have had 3 Dysons - a DC01, DC04 and DC15 (the newest of which is by far the most unsturdy vacuum I have ever used) in the space of 10 years. My other half has a DC07 all floors that's on the way out. My best friends parents have a DC14. I have used all of these and not been impressed.

Also, in my previous job, we had a ConstantMax that broke and was later replaced with A new DC07 that I used from new, maintained it well and although the suction was good, it didn't last very long at all and after a while, the tools started falling off when in use, the catch that holds the handle on broke and the belt snapped. After about 6 months, it burnt out and we replaced it with a Sebo BS36. £200 is a lot of money. If I pay £200, I expect to get something that is going to last longer than 6 months.


Post# 60057 , Reply# 43   2/7/2009 at 10:24 (5,549 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Jack you made a excellent point. As you said I would much more want a cleaner that cleans excellent for 5 years then spend more and get a bad cleaner for 20 years. We bought our Dyson brand new. We bought our DC07 from Sears a year after they arrived here. Well in stores at least. Tom Gasko was the first one to carry there machines. Anyways, without James Dyson we wouldnt have a bagless vacuum, capture carpet cleaning powder, Cyclonic technology, Root 8 cyclones, super vacuum stretch hose, and many other advanced. Oh the best the First handheld that doesnt clog and never loses suction.

In my expirence with Oreck I have found that they are hard to push on Cut/plush pile carpeting. My Great Great aunt had 2 orecks. We took it to the Oreck store to get a new brushroll installed. That brushroll lasted 1 year. We went and bought a Generic one from Steel City vac supply and now its pretty easy to push. My Aunt bought a Riccar Supralite RSL4 from Tom and its wonderfull. Its so easy to glide over the carpet. Supplies for ORecks are really exspensive its alot of money for there bags and there not that big. Riccar has the Hepa Cloth bags and it last and last. Best part made in the USA. Made in St James MO. I love the Riccar and so does my aunt. I like them much more then the Oreck. Or as some people call them the AWFULL-WRECK. :-)


Post# 60058 , Reply# 44   2/7/2009 at 11:21 (5,549 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

The reason I attack Dyson so vehemently is I AM SICK AND TIRED of people on this forum bashing the Oreck unjustly! It's not gonna be a superperformer on every type of carpet. In some mind's eye it's not a superperformer at all. It does not have powerful suction. It doesn't need to - just enough to draw the dirt into the cleaner after the agitator loosens it. It's not meant to be used with tools - that's why they give you the Buster B. Again, I can't comment on the Riccar because it again is a machine I know nothing about. The Dyson is not without flaws, and we need to spend more time focusing on that than bashing a machine who's design has been around for some 40+ years. RCA/Whirlpool's original design was not rejected, they simply chose to downsize their vacuum cleaner division and David Oreck bought it. To me, the Miele canister is another overpriced brand in this country, and I would rather have open heart surgery than have to work on one. It too is a very complicated machine. I'm not bashing them in the least, I'm just not interested in owning one. If people on this site could just say that Oreck is not their cup of tea and leave it at that, I would be fine, but to blatantly call it "junk" when most of you have never even owned a brand new one is unjust. I will defend Oreck to the death!

Post# 60069 , Reply# 45   2/7/2009 at 13:03 (5,549 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

'The reason I attack Dyson so vehemently is I AM SICK AND TIRED of people on this forum bashing the Oreck unjustly!'

I still don't understand your logic here! How does attacking Dyson demonstrate to me that I'm wrong in my opinion of the Oreck?


Post# 60076 , Reply# 46   2/7/2009 at 13:52 (5,549 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        
Simple....

My point is that if vacuums are going to be "bashed" here, why should Oreck be the only one.

Post# 60077 , Reply# 47   2/7/2009 at 14:01 (5,549 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        
In all honesty

Every machine has it flaws. I just feel on this forum Oreck comes under attack more often than any other brand. To me, Dyson is the most flawed of the "new" vacuum cleaner lineup, hence that is one I choose to break my lances against.

Post# 60084 , Reply# 48   2/7/2009 at 18:47 (5,549 days old) by dirtfinder1 ()        
Lets name the bastard models from each company!!!

Thermax AF1............crap
Filter Queen Optima....expensive crap
Miele Art.....ewwww colorful crap
Hoover Z....weird looking crap
Electrolux Super J......self distructive crap
Kirty Tradition........"why won't this turn on" crap
Regina Housekeeper....can't pick up crap
Oreck.....very loud bowling ball picking up crap

ok.........me and Evan (Kirbykid1) came up with those......ad to the list.....


Post# 60089 , Reply# 49   2/7/2009 at 20:03 (5,549 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        
OK, Children....

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I want you to go to your respective corners and sit and think about how lovely the world and everything in it is. No more sugar for ANY of you. Oreck, Dyson, Hoover, Regina, Fantom, Compact, Air-Way, Electrolux, Kirby, Meile, Sebo, Riccar, Eureka, Filter Queen. Say these names 50 times. Take some deep breaths...in through the nose, out through the mouth. Think of Marilyn a few dozen times.

OK?...now, don't you feel better??

I do like Dirtfinder1's list, though....


Post# 60090 , Reply# 50   2/7/2009 at 20:04 (5,549 days old) by dsmiler ()        
Rejected

Let me re-phrase. It was not rejected. As stated on an information website the design was "abandoned"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Oreck...

Start reading at Oreck Corporation, line 5

Also if you listen in the ads David Oreck states "his" whatever. Such as his new Oreck Halo vacuum. He is only a spokesman for the company at this time. Oreck is owned by Tom Oreck and a group of corporate investors.


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Post# 60091 , Reply# 51   2/7/2009 at 20:54 (5,549 days old) by animasinsulin ()        
you are too funny

You are toooo funny, Dirtfinder. Has anyone here ever try a Silver King vacuum? I got mine from an estate sale. Most powerfull vacuum I've ever owned.....Bill in Az.....

Post# 60092 , Reply# 52   2/7/2009 at 21:20 (5,549 days old) by methodistbill ()        
Worst Vacuum?

The one I fail to maintain properly.

Post# 60104 , Reply# 53   2/8/2009 at 04:45 (5,549 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

My simple point is, why does anything NEED to be 'bashed'?! Why are people trapped in the mentality that it's impossible to discuss the merits of item (a), without putting down item (b)?

To my mind, that just indicates that the people in favour of item (a) really don't have many positives on their side, and can't 'sell' it on its own merits. I'm not saying that's necessarily the case, but that's the way it looks.

As for my opinion of the Oreck, I haven't actually shared it in this thread! All I've done is questioned the value-for-money customers, particularly in the UK, are getting, in comparison with the kind of machines you can buy from other brands for much less.

And I think Dyson takes WAAAAAY more abuse on this forum than anything else. If I took personal offence every time someone said something negative about Dyson, I'd end up living like Grusinskaya in 'Grand Hotel', secluded and perpetually on the verge of tears!


Post# 60113 , Reply# 54   2/8/2009 at 10:55 (5,548 days old) by animasinsulin ()        
Jack

Hi, Jack. Don't feel bad. After all, they're still just vacuums. In my TOTALLY inflated opinion, the only bad vacuum is NO vacuum... Take care and happy HOOVERING!!!!!....Bill in Az....

Post# 60116 , Reply# 55   2/8/2009 at 13:45 (5,548 days old) by methodistbill ()        
Dyson & Oreck

There's been so much heated discussion about these two brands that I'm now rather curious. I've never owned nor used either of these brands. Now, I feel compelled to check them out!

Bill


Post# 60118 , Reply# 56   2/8/2009 at 13:52 (5,548 days old) by electroluxxxx (……)        

well I have tried an oreck and I have tried a dyson. oreck is really loud but seems to get the floors clean. Dyson I have tried the canister and the DC07 I find that the canister has a lot more power than the dc07. the only thing that Ido not like about the DC07 is that it is really bulky. other than that both oreck and Dyson are pretty good machines in my opinion

Post# 60119 , Reply# 57   2/8/2009 at 14:09 (5,548 days old) by vacuumfreeeke ()        

Who is that that said "they're just vacuums"? Blasphemy if I ever heard it!

Post# 60121 , Reply# 58   2/8/2009 at 14:37 (5,548 days old) by animasinsulin ()        
Im going to vacuum HELL

Ok. it was my low blood sugar reaction that made me say that

Post# 60122 , Reply# 59   2/8/2009 at 14:47 (5,548 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Jack look obviously Hoover is telling Dyson customers not to wash the Filters. (If you dont get it look at the email Jack got from Dyson)

CLICK HERE TO GO TO kirbykid1's LINK


Post# 60125 , Reply# 60   2/8/2009 at 16:21 (5,548 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Lol - 'Filter-wash day? Just forget it!'

Post# 60354 , Reply# 61   2/12/2009 at 12:01 (5,544 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        
Oreck Halo

I did see the infomercial last night for the new Oreck Halo, and I gotta say even with Mr. Oreck's marketing genius, Oreck might be going someplace they ought not to be. $599. seems pretty steep, considering the fact that when it was at Best Buy as just the regular Halo, it was $399. Unless I miss my guess, this is a Chinese made machine, which he may now use as a lead-in to produce all his cleaners in China. Wonder if the bags will be the same for the Oreck Halo? I'll soon find out, as I just bought an original Halo off eBay. Even with the Oreck name, it may sell as well as the Edsel.

Post# 60380 , Reply# 62   2/13/2009 at 07:19 (5,544 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Its on right now. Did anybody else notice they didnt show her pulling the bag off the machine. Of course not because all the dust flys out. Everytime I empty my aunts I think more gets in my eyes then what the vacuum sucks up.

Post# 60386 , Reply# 63   2/13/2009 at 11:43 (5,543 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        
Oreck Bag Dock

No, actually, that's not true. Oreck's saniseal system has a trap door that slides shut when the bag is pulled up the tracks for removal. I'm pretty sure this machine has it as well. Does your aunt's Oreck have the bag dock system?

Post# 60389 , Reply# 64   2/13/2009 at 13:12 (5,543 days old) by kirbykid1 ()        

Yes it does. THe Bad Dock works fine but still you have to pull it back. WHen you pull it out it hits the bag and all this dust comes out.

Post# 60395 , Reply# 65   2/13/2009 at 15:41 (5,543 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

Pulling it straight up helps. I know when I service the Oreck XL-21, usually the bag dock area is whistle clean. The classic Orecks are usually pretty clean too, unless it's one of those machines where the bag dock is loose or missing....

Post# 60419 , Reply# 66   2/13/2009 at 23:37 (5,543 days old) by scott55405 ()        

I have to admit Oreck is not a machine that has been on my wish list (and I don't know anything of this latest halo thing), although I do have to say I had an opportunity to try that top of the line one like Morgan has, and thought it seemed fine. It's much quieter than the others. If it were any, that would be it, although price wise I don't think it's too far outside the neighborhood of the new Miele upright I just bought, and in that range I can't picture choosing the Oreck over the Miele unless weight was that big of a concern.

My friend Roger did have one he bought used once, a commercial model. It was loud but ok. Terry was there too and pointed out that it would likely be an acceptable choice or nice thing to have available for someone where weight would be an issue, and I can see that.

The Dyson I've not tried enough to have an opinion, but most likely I would avoid it as I simply do not care for bagless cleaners of any sort. I seem to recall something with using the hose portion being awkward or cumbersome, but it's been awhile.

Much as I love my Miele canister, as Morgan pointed out both the hose and cord are too short. I'm hoping they take a cue from their new upright which I also own and feel is very well designed, and lengthen both on future canister models.

I am curious to know what is up with the Lux J and Kirby Tradition? I've used both in the past, but they didn't seem markedly different than other like models of their brand. Did I miss something?

I don't know that I or any of us would find a machine that we would like everything about, and some I suppose will always be better than others. I'm not particularly disturbed by people having their opinions, one way or another. I can listen to them, do my own research and decide what is best for my situation from there.


Post# 61261 , Reply# 67   2/27/2009 at 22:35 (5,529 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Halo Commercial:

I just saw a commercial for the Oreck Halo on TV, and I think they're going to end up in trouble. They're coming very close to saying that the thing sterilises your carpet and that it gives a health benefit by doing that, which is Food and Drug Administration jurisdiction. I have a feeling this is going to end up with a ceast-and-desist order and a recall.

Post# 61266 , Reply# 68   2/28/2009 at 00:10 (5,529 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Will have to see the "Halo" commercial-usually with UV radation-it does not kill microbes instantly-there has to be a minimum exposure time-you won't get that when you push the Halo over your floor.Most microbes have to be exposed to the UV for at least 10-20 min before they are destroyed-it DOES NOT happen "instantly"With air purifiers that have UV lamps-these can be effetive since the air in the room the machine is in passes thru it contiunously-that can be enough to destroy some of the viruses and spores-and other airborn "things".If you really wanted to kill the offenders-the vac picks up--shouldn't the UV lamp be in the bag or dirt container?I think pushing the UV lamp over the floor or matteress isn't really going to acomplish that much-what about the spores and ones in the air that will settle back on the floor or matteress-and in matteresses-the ones buried deep in it that the UV light can't reach.

Post# 61273 , Reply# 69   2/28/2009 at 03:02 (5,529 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Looked up the "Halo" on the Oreck website-and as a Vacuum cleaner-this thing just may be his own "Oreck Killer"lets see-twin motors-you can turn the roller brush off when vacuuming hard floors,separate suction motor-direct air-and switch to turn the UV light on or off.And the machine can be used with attachments unlike the standard Oreck uprights.Could eliminate that funky canister vac provided with the standard Oreck uprights.The "Halo" just might have potential-but it is a "plasticville" machine----and UV light CAN attack plastic!!Wonder if the housing should be---SHINY METAL!!!

Post# 61437 , Reply# 70   3/1/2009 at 23:13 (5,527 days old) by jdinstl ()        
Joining the fray...

...by the end of the week I should be able to speak with some authority on this -- as I nicked one of these (used) off eBay for $20.00 while in a "what the heck" mood. Actually, I think this might be a pre-Oreck model.

I'm no marketing expert, but given that shipping is just slightly more than I paid for the vac, I don't suppose David Oreck is going to be boasting this on an infomercial.

However, if my apartment becomes am immaculate temple of impeccable hygiene, I'll make sure to let you all know. And Rex, regarding "...UV light CAN attack plastic!!" but of course! It's called "planned obsolescence!" What better way to make money than sell you a vac for such a price -- one that inches toward self destruction with every flick of the switch? :-)

Seriously, my thoughts are, if this UV thing is so great and all, why didn't it catch and take hold in the 50's when UV lights were in washers, dryers, and even some HVAC systems?

I don't think anyones grandchildren are going to see these on Vacuumland 50 years from now. :-)

Cheers!

John

P.S. Did someone really say "they're just vacuums?"







Post# 61445 , Reply# 71   3/2/2009 at 04:48 (5,527 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

UV lights are still used in some HVAC equipment and air purifiers-in these the UV does more good-kills the virus and spores,bacteria passing thru the system since these are too small to be trapped in filters.the UV lights in the air units I have seem to work--no colds or flu since I bought them.but doubtfull in a vacuum cleaner.a dryer the UV might help-but would deteroiate some fibers.In a washer--the short UV wavelengths are stopped in only a few inches of water.thats very true-doubt there will be many Halos or other plastic vacuums around after 50 yrs.Oh yes-washers with UV lights-I would turn the light off if you are a washer "spectator"the UV will reflect off the water and into your face and eyes!water can reflect UV light.

Post# 61448 , Reply# 72   3/2/2009 at 06:17 (5,527 days old) by jdinstl ()        
I'd thought I'd read somewhere...

...that UV light would not penetrate water very far -- even googled it, but couldn't come up with anything conclusive. So I left it out of my text.

Anyhow, my $20 may even be a rip -- the reviews on the Halo are less than stellar, that's for sure. Breakage, lack of parts, etc. One woman on Amazon gave it 5 starts. However, she says her husband has every vacuum under the sun, so when this came out, she knew they'd be getting one.

If he isn't a Vacuumlander, he needs to be :)

(Anyone's wife been on Amazon, lately?)

John


Post# 61488 , Reply# 73   3/2/2009 at 16:59 (5,526 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Customer Service

Is the one thing that impressed me with Oreck. I visited the Oreck Clean Home Center when I was shopping for a lightweight vacuum. I ended up buying a Riccar, but I tell you the Oreck people were very nice, knowledgeable and no pressure what so ever.
I bought the Riccar Supralite because the vac shop owner went to our church.

Both the Oreck and Riccar are not meant to compete with Kirby, Electrolux, or even Dyson. They are supposed to be quick, easy to handle machines which is what they are. In the comparison department, however, the Riccar Supralite RSL4 scored only one step below the Kirby in the latest Consumer Reports.


Post# 61836 , Reply# 74   3/6/2009 at 21:18 (5,522 days old) by a007kirbyman (--->> Originally My Mom <<--- (now Wisconsin))        
child born out of wedlock (LOL aka bazzzzzterrrrrrd )

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Hello scott55405,

The fact that the Kirby Tradition was mentioned above (in dirtfinder1's post), may have been due to the "snafu" with the safety switch arrangement. (It was a kind of a joke.)

In theory = Great idea!
In reality = HORRIBLE IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!

Just mho!!! Bill


Post# 61850 , Reply# 75   3/6/2009 at 23:39 (5,522 days old) by jdinstl ()        
Update on my Halo...

I think we can pretty much sum up how effective this vac is at killing the cooties in your carpet.

I received the below from the eBay seller today.

Draw your own conclusions :-)



Post# 62948 , Reply# 76   3/17/2009 at 17:02 (5,511 days old) by jdinstl ()        
Well, it finally arrived :)

It's a nice looking upright vac. The motor is, as would be any plasto-vac, shrill. And yes, you can switch the brushroll on and off at the handle, very nice.

The UV system is another story. It doesn't just come on when you use the vac, you have to depress a switch, and hold it, to keep the UV light on.

Blech....but I'm glad I got it. As I say in title line "I'm not going to use one of my GOOD vacuums on this cheap carpet."

But this one will work just fine for my cheap carpet. :)

John



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