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Post# 58842   1/22/2009 at 13:02 (5,566 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        

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I have a friend at work who I am restoring her 1990 Kirby G3 for free. She is just paying for the parts. A 55" front heavy TV fell over on top of the Kirby, smashing the handle right in half. I'll take after pictures of the restoration once it's complete. Note the transmission has a cogged belt that snapped, which is why it no longer works. I don't think you can buy the internal belt, so I just ordered a used transmission from ebay for $12. I will be replacing the handle assembly, new bag fill tube, new brushroll, new fan, new transmission, new lightbulb, new hubcap for rear wheel, and polishing to restore shine. Parts total will be around $112.

Post# 58843 , Reply# 1   1/22/2009 at 13:05 (5,566 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        

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Post# 58854 , Reply# 12   1/22/2009 at 13:16 (5,566 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Wow! Snapped right in half like a breadstick! I see Max is keeping an eye on things ;p

Post# 58868 , Reply# 13   1/22/2009 at 18:10 (5,565 days old) by kc_kirby (Kansas City, MO)        

Andrew, you aren't supposed to try and fix the transmission. I see you opened it up. I know you got another one, but I would say the old one is now ruined for sure. You can still buy the cogged belt for it, I think Hesco has it and I'm sure Kirby would sell you one too. Oh, while you are at it I recommend putting in a handle spring that the G4 and up Kirby's had so the handle returns to the neutral position on its own. I have done this before to some G3's that I have had in the past so I know its possible. Good luck on the restoration.

Chad Cunningham


Post# 58876 , Reply# 14   1/22/2009 at 19:03 (5,565 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        
Transmission

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I tore the transmission apart because it was a good reason to. Since I am replacing it, I was curious to know how it worked inside, otherwise I would not have done it. And believe it or not, it's not hard to put back together. I already reassembled the transmission. If I had not already purchased a replacement transmission, and knew where to get the internal cogged belt quickly, I could restore the original transmission.

Post# 58877 , Reply# 15   1/22/2009 at 19:40 (5,565 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        
Where to get geared transmission belts...

They're easily available on eBay. Good luck with the restoration!

CLICK HERE TO GO TO kirbyotronic's LINK on eBay


Post# 58891 , Reply# 16   1/22/2009 at 20:24 (5,565 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        
2 different belts

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There is a second wider, bigger geared belt inside the transmission casing that I would need in this case. When I took out the 3 screws and pulled the transmission casing open, the geared belt inside was laying of course it had broken. The geared belt between the transmission and motor, that is exposed, is fine.

Post# 58892 , Reply# 17   1/22/2009 at 20:58 (5,565 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Always a surprising nugget to be panned on this site.

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Brave work Andrew, cracking a Kirby Transmission.

Alex, What a terrific resource that link turns out to be.

Yes, I know he's located more than halfway across the continent but the prices for parts and international shipping seem reasonable to me.

The G5 I got a while back has a makeshift headlight lens cut from a flat sheet of clear plastic and the lower cord hook has been broken and sawn off the back plate...this fellow Kent at Vacuum Needs has both these individual parts as well as all kindsa colors of cords and hubcaps and oh my...

Dave


Post# 58941 , Reply# 18   1/24/2009 at 09:42 (5,564 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        
Polishing

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I bought an 8" Bench Polisher last night, been wanting to get one anyway. This was the result of 45 minutes of work. It was not too messy, but when I took my shower the water from my hair was grey. Feel sorry for the guys who have to do this for a living at Kirby! Anyway, here is the results after the first polishing. I plan to do another with a finishing compound. And yes, I'm sure you are all wondering, I only about tore my arm off once using the machine. Scary.

Post# 59031 , Reply# 19   1/25/2009 at 11:57 (5,563 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        
Polishing

That reminds me of when I worked for a Kirby dealer when I was about 15 doing the repairs,we had a bench buffer and remember trying to hold a Kirby part and it would sometimes catch the edge of the piece and sling it across the shop,nothing ever broke, they came out looking factory new. I remember the Classic 3's and Tradition's fresh out of the box. That G3 is definately worth fixing,it's a good machine, My G3 and small head Heritage 2 tie as my favorite Kirbys, at the moment anyway,there are a few that haven't made it into the house yet. Mark

Post# 59035 , Reply# 20   1/25/2009 at 12:38 (5,563 days old) by kirbyotronic ()        
Wow!

I had to put on sunglasses just to see it! Looks great.

~Alex


Post# 59037 , Reply# 21   1/25/2009 at 12:41 (5,563 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        
Thanks!

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I'm going to go do a second round maybe today, depending on how cold the garage is.

Post# 59053 , Reply# 22   1/25/2009 at 14:09 (5,562 days old) by swiveltop (Galveston, TX)        

Great job, My computer just decided to download all the pics, Thanks for posting them,I've never seen the inside of a G series,I've worked on almost every one from the 509 to the Legend, I would have opened the tranny also just to see how it works. Is that belt inside available by itself or would you have to buy the tranny? Mark

Post# 59374 , Reply# 23   1/28/2009 at 12:41 (5,560 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        
Internal Belt

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I am not aware of any suppliers for the internal belt for the transmission. I probably could have called Kirby, but I doubt they would sell it to a consumer. I just decided to skip all the hastle and go with a used transmission off ebay.

Post# 59671 , Reply# 24   1/31/2009 at 21:24 (5,556 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        

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So I am still not totally done, but I have enough of the project completed to at least update the progress thus far. Looks so much different! My friend is not going to believe it when she gets it back.

Post# 59674 , Reply# 25   1/31/2009 at 22:35 (5,556 days old) by luxg ()        

Andrew you have done a great job on the G3, it looks like brand new.

Post# 59679 , Reply# 26   2/1/2009 at 07:57 (5,556 days old) by vintagehoover ()        

Hey! Looking great!

Andrew, when you're done, can you give me a make-over, please?

;P


Post# 59764 , Reply# 27   2/2/2009 at 20:10 (5,554 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        
Final Pics

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I finished the G3 today after work. Overall, it turned out very nice! I am sure Barb will be very surprised how much better it looks. The transmission I got for it works perfectly. It's actually easier to push than my G7 Diamond Edition, probably because the handle does not have the self centering spring in it. The lightbulb on the G3 is so much brighter than on the G7 also! Hope you guys enjoy the pics. The G3 will be going back to it's owner tomorrow. Total of all parts was $100, and it's ready for another 20 years!

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Post# 59793 , Reply# 47   2/2/2009 at 23:08 (5,554 days old) by electroluxkirby ()        

Wow, what a remarkable job, it looks brand new. Can I send you my Legend II, she needs a good makeover.

Post# 59795 , Reply# 48   2/3/2009 at 00:46 (5,554 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        
Keeping the shine

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I have a G7 Diamond Edition just like Andrew's that I bought a few years ago NIB on eBay. It still has a great shine to it but how can I preserve that look? Are there any tricks to keeping it shiny for years to come?

Thanks
~Steven


Post# 59813 , Reply# 49   2/3/2009 at 12:22 (5,554 days old) by kirbysthebest (Midwest)        
Very Nice Job

Now tell the owner not to use it like it were a swamp buggy.

Does anyone else wonder why people treat their machines so badly? I mean really, if you had a Rolls would you go mudding in it. If you want to clean a wet basement, then use a shop vac.


Post# 59834 , Reply# 50   2/3/2009 at 21:34 (5,553 days old) by kirbyvacuum (Long Island New York)        
G3

Hi Andrew What a wonderful JOB. Nothing like a g series to clean the rugs. I have a G3,4,5,6 Wonderful vacuum. Doug

Post# 59858 , Reply# 51   2/4/2009 at 00:41 (5,553 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        
Thanks

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Thank you all for the nice comments. It was a fun project, which I totally had no issues doing for free! On to the next!

Post# 59860 , Reply# 52   2/4/2009 at 03:52 (5,553 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
Re-build

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Great restore there Andrew, all shiny & ship shape, make sure your friend tells all her work mates n friends!!! could have a nice little side line there and one you enjoy doing as well!!!

What is it with those schnauzers always getting in on the act...LOl, thats until you switch the beasts on!!!

Question: "Why shouldnt you take a Kirby transmission apart"???



Post# 60333 , Reply# 53   2/12/2009 at 02:14 (5,545 days old) by kirbyman89 ()        
WOW!!

That looks MAN-tastic!!! HAHA All you need to do now is replace the bumper on the rug nozzle and it really would look like a NIB Generation 3. I have a Diamond Edition and LOVE IT!!

Post# 61844 , Reply# 54   3/6/2009 at 22:03 (5,522 days old) by a007kirbyman (--->> Originally My Mom <<--- (now Wisconsin))        
Belt inside tranny...

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The belt inside the tranny, (...& not the one down on Bourbon Street), is not even a part available for sale thru Kirby .

It is only provided for the initial production of the transmissions. They are not even a serviceable item thru a Factory Authorized service center. One of the very few items not available to be serviced.

It is amazing to see the insides of one though. (At least I was intrigued (LOL) with the design when I saw it years ago.) Sometimes I am easily amazed though.

Have a Gr8 wknd allllllll !!!

Bill



Post# 362875 , Reply# 55   11/28/2016 at 23:20 (2,698 days old) by brycerivers (Atlanta,GA,30273,United States)        
Absolutely Beautiful

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I Wish I had a Bench Buffer, Both of My Kirby's need a Spa Treatment.

Post# 362889 , Reply# 56   11/29/2016 at 11:29 (2,698 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
A thread worth reviving

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I'm usually skeptical of reviving 'dead threads' but that one was definitely worth resurrecting!

Post# 362894 , Reply# 57   11/29/2016 at 14:13 (2,697 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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My Ultimate G is about to get rebuilt in a few weeks. At first I thought about sending it in to Kirby to have them do it but Great Vacs offered a better deal for them to rebuild it so that's what I'm planning to do instead.

Post# 404691 , Reply# 58   1/27/2019 at 10:41 (1,909 days old) by KirbyCollector (Columbus Ohio USA)        
My 509 & D80.

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I am hoping to get my 509 and D80 restored this nice. The 509 needs the spa treatment and some parts. D80 is complete, it just needs a nice buff. This thread is very cool and that G3 looked amazing.

Post# 404698 , Reply# 59   1/27/2019 at 13:19 (1,909 days old) by scudo (uk)        

You done a good job restoring that considering the state it was in.

Having looked at your images I cant see what the issue is with Kirby re the tech drive and `dont dismantle it` I would have been straight in there.I always take the view if I have to replace it then try fixing it first, probably got a 80% fix rate.

I see the belt housing has a few deep scratches in it, they are a pain to get out, I use wet & dry but it can take a couple of days and it is hard work, and then they have to be polished up.

I also have a 6" bench buffer, it was a bench grinder but bought a couple of spindle converters for under £10 and now use as a buffer, makes a big difference.

I love working on Kirby`s they are a dream to work on.


Post# 404737 , Reply# 60   1/28/2019 at 08:19 (1,908 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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GOOD LORD!!! What kinda TV could break a Kirby handle? That is insane. Never seen that before!

Post# 404749 , Reply# 61   1/28/2019 at 14:42 (1,907 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Has it really been that long...

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...since TV sets were monstrously heavy?

Look at the date of when this thread originated. It's a decade old. Back in January 2009, when the OP took that G3 in to repair it, analog TV signals were still being broadcast—although they'd be gone within a year—and newfangled flat screen sets were hard to find with price tags much below $1,000. Many people, including myself, were still using older TV sets with CRT (cathode ray tube) screens; in fact, they had only just stopped selling them in stores. Just about any CRT set with a screen size larger than about 20 inches required two people to carry it safely. Those sets were also very front heavy as the glass screens were about an inch thick and there was nothing in the back to act as a counterweight. Drop one of those suckers on a Kirby and you'd be lucky if all that got broken was the handle. Drop it on a modern plasticrap vac and you'd need a Kirby to sweep up what little was left.


Post# 404751 , Reply# 62   1/28/2019 at 15:35 (1,907 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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I know how heavy CRTs are. I had a similar one, and it was really heavy, but not break a Kirby heavy. That TV wouldn't have been enough to break through a cast aluminum handle.

Post# 405800 , Reply# 63   2/22/2019 at 10:49 (1,883 days old) by vacfanatic (Omaha, NE)        

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I haven't been on here for ages and was surprised to see my old thread dug up.

The internal clogged belt inside the tech drive had snapped, and they are not replaceable, Kirby does not sell them as a spare part, so I had to source a used transmission. I took the old one apart to see how it worked :)

I don't know what brand TV it was, but it was a very early model rear projection I think and it was in a wood enclosure, it definitely weighed over 150lbs I'd say. It didn't survive whatever the hell they did to tip it over either.

This is something similar to what it looked like from what I remember over at her house a few times, before they demolished it. The screen was so dim anyway, and it had this huge yellow dot in the middle of it so the thing was ready to go anyway.



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Post# 420202 , Reply# 64   2/18/2020 at 20:54 (1,521 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)        
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That is a rear projection TV, an early one. It uses a series of 3 separate electron tubes/projector bulbs in red green and blue and then casts them through a focused mirror to make a complete color signal onto the front of the screen from behind.

Over time the coolant oil in the guns gets dirty from dust and being old and it clouds up the lenses and they cannot project anymore. The dot you are seeing was likely the green and blue lenses trying to work and display the picture.

Here's a photo I found online from a newer rendition.





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Post# 420259 , Reply# 65   2/19/2020 at 21:11 (1,520 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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Oh, I was under the impression that it was a CRT TV. Even the small ones are quite heavy, so a 55" CRT would be like 400 LBS! I knew those projection TVs were heavy, but not THAT heavy! Those projection TVs were a product of my time, you know.

Post# 420262 , Reply# 66   2/19/2020 at 22:49 (1,520 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)        

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I think when it fell it pushed the handle down against the carpet and then hit the middle of the handle and snapped it. Like karate chopping wood.


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