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Thread Number: 45583
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
What if bagless dust cups were made of glass instead of plastic? |
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| Post# 471551 5/30/2024 at 16:04 by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA) | ||
I decided to make this thread to ask a pretty interesting hypothetical question that had been floating around in my head for a long time now:
What if on bagless vacuum cleaners, the clear dust bin was made using glass *instead of* plastic? I was inspired to ask this after seeing how most front-load washing machines have a glass window on the door. Right off the bat, I can see one big pro to this scenario: No more fogginess! After just a few uses, every plastic dust bin will get permanently fogged up due to the rapidly spinning dirt. A glass bin would no longer have that issue, and would remain clear as day for years to come. However, I can already see some cons to this. First off, owing to the fragility of glass, the bin could potentially shatter if large, hard debris, such as rocks and coins, were picked up. Companies would be in the business of selling bins if this issue were at large. Second, because glass is heavier, especially if tempered, the bin, as well as the vacuum, would naturally have additional weight. This would make the vacuum more difficult to manuever, not to mention the need to carry a heavy and fragile dust bin to the trash can in order to empty it. This brings me back to con #1, where if you were to accidentally drop and shatter the glass bin, the whole vacuum would become unusable until you purchase a new bin. This alternative material would apply only to the clear bin. The rest of the vacuum, including the separation system (either filtered or cyclonic), would still be made out of plastic and probably, some metal (such as the wand). This might make the vacuum more expensive. What are your thoughts, opinions and additional questions on this hypothetical scenario? | ||
| Post# 471552 , Reply# 1 5/30/2024 at 16:18 by ilovehoovers (England) | ||
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| Post# 471560 , Reply# 2 5/30/2024 at 21:48 by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
Glass | ||
Post# 471565 , Reply# 3 5/31/2024 at 10:39 by RainbowD4C  (Saint Joseph, Michigan ) |
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| Post# 471665 , Reply# 4 6/4/2024 at 22:36 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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| Post# 471694 , Reply# 5 6/5/2024 at 20:55 by RoyalFan103 (Bremerton, Washington) | ||
About the Glass breaking.. | ||
| Post# 471893 , Reply# 6 6/16/2024 at 05:39 by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
 The dust cup can be polished with car wax, after washing it obviously, to remove scratches and protect the plastic. It will get dirty again of course. Stopping the scratching would be to make it out of textured, frosted plastic, but then you couldn't see in detail the bin's dirt level of course. I think the secret though is to change the way the cyclone path operates, so it is not swirling the dust around over and over, but just depositing it straight down. Dyson's bins seem to never get scratched up so badly as something from a Eureka or Hoover. | ||
| Post# 471901 , Reply# 7 6/16/2024 at 15:48 by Human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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| Post# 471932 , Reply# 8 6/17/2024 at 19:07 by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA) | ||
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Alright
Thanks for all the replies on this hypothetical scenario. I agree, glass would indeed make a vacuum much heavier and therefore harder to maneuver.
As for cloudiness and wear, I have a set of glass mixing bowls which have seen their fair share of use over the years (scratch marks from whisks being used on them). So I was wrong, the use of glass actually won't fix the fogginess issue. Human, I can't imagine picking a vacuum out of the trash and seeing its dust cup missing or broken. That would further complicate repair matters by having to buy a whole new dust cup. And no, I will never change my views on bagless vacuums. | ||
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Post# 472015 , Reply# 11 6/21/2024 at 23:47 by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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I am one of the bagged vacuum guys.The bagless vacs belong in the DUMPSTER!!! | ||
| Post# 472034 , Reply# 12 6/22/2024 at 18:31 by kirby519 (Wisconsin) | ||
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Tolivac I sincerely hope that includes the original drawings for them as well. | ||
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Post# 472047 , Reply# 13 6/23/2024 at 06:52 by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Yes,the paper drawing ones and the CND as well. | ||
| Post# 472135 , Reply# 14 6/26/2024 at 12:32 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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While I prefer bagged vacuums myself, I'd disagree that bagless vacuums belong in the dumpster at least not all of them since I do think some are trash. Besides the cons of bagless machines, there are also pros as well over bagged machines. Bagless bins can show you what you're picking up, bags aren't worth changing out at some places, and some machines can maintain the suction power that you pick up. For example, my sister has pets that shed ALOT. Unfortunately bags would just be too expensive for her to always have to change out more often than most people. Another example is if you're using a bagged vacuum and can't see what you're picking up inside, then you're likely still leaving dirt behind. And the last example is if you ever noticed that at wood shops their central dust collectors are cyclonic, they prevent from clogging up the system. That's where James Dyson got his idea from. Even my wood shop requires a bagless dust collector because I'm not always clogging up and changing my bags out often. But I also still do care about motor protection and filtration so the least I can do is to connect a bagged system to a seperator so it'd be a win/win for me.
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| Post# 472141 , Reply# 15 6/26/2024 at 18:37 by RoyalFan103 (Bremerton, Washington) | ||
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Don’t dogpile on me for this either.. | ||
| Post# 472153 , Reply# 16 6/27/2024 at 15:25 by niclonnic (Bonney Lake, WA) | ||
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panasonicvac
I do agree with the points you've made, since I'm also a huge fan of bagless vacuums. Seeing the dirt that I've picked up gives me a sense of satisfaction and confidence, knowing that my vacuum is doing its job. On the other hand, if I were using a bagged vacuum, I would not be as satisfied, since the dirt is completely hidden away from view.
Another point to make is how both types of vacuums deal with the dirt. Bags compact the debris that has been picked up. Bagless bins, on the other hand, fluff it all out, thanks to the rapidly spinning air. This action explains why the bin fills up quicker. | ||
| Post# 472184 , Reply# 18 6/29/2024 at 16:11 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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Honestly if that were my place, I would've went over with a ClearTrak afterwards to pick up what the Kirbys left behind. That first video about the ClearTrak was from a guy that does professional carpet cleaning, he says he's visited homes that've been vacuumed with a Kirby yet he'd always pick up dirt with the ClearTrak that Kirbys leave behind. And I testify that when my grandparents were around, they had a Dirt Devil bagless that'd pick up stuff both of their Kirbys left behind. Even with their Kenmore that's bagged but has a dirt sensor on, it'd also reads showing that it's picking up stuff left over from the Kirbys and the Kenmore is one of the least performing machines I've used. Now I'm not saying that bagless can outclean bagged vacuums, it's just that as what the carpet cleaner guy pointed out that you need to let vacuum do it's work by picking up stuff until not anymore dirt goes inside. Unfortunately no vacuum is going to get all the carpets cleaned completely not even the ClearTrak, but the fact of the matter is that bagless has the advantage of letting you see by what you're picking up inside the clear dirt bin. There's no way to tell with bagged machines and just feeling the bags afterwards isn't very convincing to me.
I don't trust using a NSS M1 PIG to clean my house either. Not to mention it's such a monstrosity machine to carry and pull around inside a house. I'd also go back over with a ClearTrak afterwards as well, guaranteed it'd get whatever the PIG leaves behind. But if I had to use a bagged machine and something that's large as the PIG, I'd rather use a Numatic NaceCare 380 as the PIG is just outdated for me. | ||
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