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Post# 456494   9/4/2022 at 11:36 (452 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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I didn't notice a topic on this here yet, but I know some will be interested. Sebo are about to launch a cordless vacuum. We have a blog post with all we know up to now at the link.

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Post# 456511 , Reply# 1   9/4/2022 at 22:43 (451 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        
Cool

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A direct air Sebo with a manual height adjustment? Sign me up!

Post# 456537 , Reply# 2   9/5/2022 at 22:20 (450 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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It will be interesting to hear how loud this cleaner is. I am a big fan (pardon the pun) of simple, fan-first bagged lightweight uprights that are designed to only clean carpets. However, the one drawback has often been their poor noise suppression. Hopefully Sebo has figured out how to make this one quieter.

Post# 456538 , Reply# 3   9/5/2022 at 23:06 (450 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        

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Looks very nice! The only thing I have to wonder about, is what is the filtration system set up this vacuum uses? Typically, the Sebo S Class Filtration System uses 3 separate filters - bag, pre-motor filter and post motor filter - to achieve S Class Filtration which they claim is the equivalent to HEPA Filtration, which it is NOT. So, if this is a direct air upright, since most have only a HEPA Cloth bag as the final filter to filter dust from the air, what else are they doing to make this vacuum have S Class Filtration?

Rob


Post# 456585 , Reply# 4   9/8/2022 at 01:49 (448 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)        

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Interesting you plug the cord into the vacuum to charge it. I presume battery is internal?

Post# 456587 , Reply# 5   9/8/2022 at 06:13 (448 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
Battery looks to be removable

Iíll be interested in its filtration and noise levels and if thereís a multi speed option. My Supralite is wearing down and Iím looking for a simple upright replacement. Itíll be interesting to see if this is geared only for commercial use or if thereís a residential version also.

Post# 457975 , Reply# 6   11/15/2022 at 15:08 (379 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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We had one of these in the shop a few days ago to look at. There will be videos and lots of photos quite soon, but for now, I can answer the questions above.

"Hopefully Sebo has figured out how to make this one quieter" - I wouldn't call it especially quiet, but it has to meet UK and EU noise regs.

"What is the filtration system set up this vacuum uses?" - The bag is the only filter I could see. But the bags are thicker than standard Sebo bags.

"Interesting you plug the cord into the vacuum to charge it. I presume the battery is internal?" - The battery is removable and not much smaller than a house brick. I've attached a photo of the battery out of the machine.

"If thereís a multi-speed option. Itíll be interesting to see if this is geared only for commercial use or if thereís a residential version also." - It's aimed at the commercial market. It's single-speed. Future models may have hoses and attachments. A corded version is rumoured to be coming to the US later on.




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Post# 457995 , Reply# 7   11/16/2022 at 06:29 (379 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas)        
Corded Version

Looks like the corded version will be distributed through Karcher, it's already on their website:



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Post# 458001 , Reply# 8   11/16/2022 at 15:45 (378 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
How bizzarre

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Looking over the specs it appears this corded version has a rating of 57.2 CFM. Looking over the schematic it looks like these have a very unusual setup. I think that the fan is run by a belt. Cool that it uses a geared belt though.

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Post# 458002 , Reply# 9   11/16/2022 at 16:20 (378 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I really love the looks of the new Karcher Professional, it reminds me of a classic Panasonic upright haha. However, I am a bit concerned though of the success that it'd serve on the market. This is just in my opinion but I think direct air vacuums are outdated nowadays, especially in the commercial market. In fact, I just bought a Windsor Versamatic for a place that I would go help clean for once a week since it's got to have a hose on-board and it has a track record of being one of the most reliable commercial vacuums ever. With it being a bypass design, there's no fans to break or replace as lots of people would vacuum up something that they shouldn't like rock pebbles, coins, etc. It's very possible that these would be discontinued shortly. Just like the ProTeam FreeFlex, the Oreck/Hoover cordless bagged upright, and the Shop-Vac Easylift. But I hope that wouldn't be the case.

Post# 458004 , Reply# 10   11/16/2022 at 16:47 (378 days old) by Vacuumman (California)        
Fan

The fan setup on this vacuum is quite similar to the Air-Way DirtMaster, with a belt-driven fan being contained in the handle hinge.

Post# 458007 , Reply# 11   11/16/2022 at 18:03 (378 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
Are you sure itís a belt driven fan??

One canít always tell by the schematics.

Post# 458009 , Reply# 12   11/16/2022 at 18:46 (378 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
well

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TBH not entirely certain of it, but i think so. I thought the motor would be on the side opposite of the intake initially due to the placement of the airpath but then i looked a little closer at the schematic and it appears that the fan attaches to a pulley. I'm curious to see how this rather....odd design does.
It's very possible that i'm incorrect but I guess time will tell.


Post# 458016 , Reply# 13   11/16/2022 at 21:08 (378 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
Looking forward to seeing in person.

Iíll be eager to see the inside of this one. I was fascinated with the Sensor models.

Post# 458017 , Reply# 14   11/16/2022 at 23:03 (378 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I think the design inside reminds me of a Hoover Elite, I wouldn't be surprised if that's where they got it from.

Post# 458023 , Reply# 15   11/17/2022 at 08:00 (378 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
"-belt driveen fan??"

It does seem to show belts number 125 & 151.That would make this brand new,modern,state of the art technology except, as above, AirWay did this in 1937.

Post# 458026 , Reply# 16   11/17/2022 at 14:25 (377 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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Eh sort of. If you notice other than the direct air motor, everything else is basically a Sebo Mechanical. So nothing very new or special. Also this wouldn't be the only direct air machine ever invented with a lifetime belt and breaker to shut the machine off if something were to get stuck on the brushroll. Riccar/Simplicity, Oreck, Proteam, etc.

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Post# 458065 , Reply# 17   11/19/2022 at 12:01 (376 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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@ManchesterVacs

SEBO USA still doesn't have price and availability.

We discussed this in detail weeks ago in the vacuum Discord server.


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Post# 459382 , Reply# 18   1/12/2023 at 14:13 (321 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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Found a video of one on YouTube, sounds similar to an Oreck.






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Post# 461522 , Reply# 19   3/20/2023 at 16:48 (254 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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The official launch of this machine in the UK is on Wednesday.

Here's a short teaser video.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO ManchesterVacs's LINK


Post# 461551 , Reply# 20   3/21/2023 at 00:31 (254 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Will this vacuum be introduced in the US?I WANT ONE!!!

Post# 461552 , Reply# 21   3/21/2023 at 02:12 (254 days old) by Mixman (Central NJ)        

Count me in on a US version. May even have to import a UK model if it does not come here for a long while.

Post# 461567 , Reply# 22   3/21/2023 at 12:24 (254 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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The machine officially launches tomorrow so I can now share more information.

There's now a product information video up I have done, you can find it at the link below.


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Post# 461575 , Reply# 23   3/21/2023 at 14:49 (254 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Now that's proper cordless upright. I want one so badly! Brushroll looks like it's identical what I have in my Sebo Felix. I am very surprised that it uses direct air system.


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Post# 461583 , Reply# 24   3/21/2023 at 16:17 (253 days old) by Mixman (Central NJ)        

Now I know why it may be a while for this to show up in the US. It is 875GBP. You can buy an X7 and a Felix plus have spare change for that amount in the UK. Here it would be damn near $2,000, which would price it out the market, yet the corded version only costs $399 here.

Post# 461603 , Reply# 25   3/22/2023 at 00:08 (253 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

If that Sebo vacuum is going to be $2000 in the US--forget it.You can get Titan,Simplicity and Riccar cordless uprights for less than half the cost of the Sebo.In Greenville the dealer here is a Sebo dealer.He also carries Titan,Simplicity and Riccar.For 2 grand the Sebo machine is priced out of market compared to others.

Post# 461607 , Reply# 26   3/22/2023 at 04:01 (253 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        

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I never understand why Sebo and Miele are so expensive in the US. I am quite upset about it.
If this new cordless Sebo is insanely expensive in US many collectors probably import it from UK or Germany.


Post# 461608 , Reply# 27   3/22/2023 at 06:56 (253 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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It makes sense that these cordless uprights use a ďfan firstĒ configuration. This set up is less of a drain on the battery as you do not need such powerful suction to get the dirt off the carpet and up into the bag. Half the work removing the dirt comes from the spinning brush roll.

Post# 461627 , Reply# 28   3/22/2023 at 15:45 (252 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
Hmm

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This sound very similar to the now discontunied ProTeam FreeFlex and why that product failed in the market. The corded version was like maybe less than $700 yet the cordless version was about $1500! If the same similar thing happens to Sebo, then I don't see them being around in the market for very long either.

Post# 461638 , Reply# 29   3/22/2023 at 19:10 (252 days old) by Mixman (Central NJ)        
@Mike811

Looks like this one will be expensive one in Europe too! You can but an X7 and a Felix, in the UK at least, for the price of this.

Post# 461651 , Reply# 30   3/22/2023 at 21:29 (252 days old) by Eureka1998 (New York )        

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The look of this is giving serious old school Vorwerk vibes!!!!! This looks dope!

Post# 461679 , Reply# 31   3/23/2023 at 15:39 (251 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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Today we have done an unboxing, assembly and floor test video that you will find interesting I think.






Post# 461737 , Reply# 32   3/25/2023 at 16:51 (249 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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Oh boy, this is not what I needed to see. I've been literally dreaming about Sebos all week and this is the exact kind of machine I would be interested in. A new direct-air bagged machine!! I'm not a fan of batteries since they get worn out pretty quickly in my experience, but the corded model looks great. $399 is not bad at all.

Please keep us updated if anyone buys one!


Post# 461824 , Reply# 33   3/28/2023 at 12:40 (247 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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I'd be very interested to see the Karcher branded corded one also. Personally, I'd have launched that first in Europe, since we can't even buy Orecks anymore, it would fill a gap in the market.

If anyone here does buy the corded Karcher $399 one in the US, please do make a topic. I'd like to see some proper photos and/or a video.

We've been using the cordless on the shop floor this week. Alright, it's expensive I know (we have an off-site deal though), but it's great for going around our parts shelves (we have several isles that are a pain to vacuum). And it is very effective, and as mentioned upthread, it is a Sebo X brushroll.


Post# 461828 , Reply# 34   3/28/2023 at 14:29 (247 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Manchestervacs

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Since you have them would you be able to tell us if the fan is belt driven?

Post# 462431 , Reply# 35   4/20/2023 at 08:41 (224 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Post# 462687 , Reply# 36   4/28/2023 at 14:33 (216 days old) by ManchesterVacs (Manchester)        

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Yes, the fan is belt driven.

Post# 462701 , Reply# 37   4/28/2023 at 21:17 (215 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Aha!

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Thanks for the confirmation! I'm even more curious about them now due to the unusual design.

Post# 463218 , Reply# 38   5/19/2023 at 01:12 (195 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)        

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Now this is interesting.
Looks like it cleans better than the Truvox Valet (Simplicity Freedom cordless).






Post# 464368 , Reply# 39   7/6/2023 at 12:55 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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The cordless Karcher version is now available here. I think these are going to be a flop already, I can now get the corded version for about $800 less!

www.kaercher.com/us/comme...


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Post# 464409 , Reply# 40   7/7/2023 at 17:37 by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Price

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The price is high that's fair to say but when we compare it to other cordless options like the tacony built machines or the Hoover 40v ones which both seem to range around 700-800 (hoover doesn't include a battery or charger for 319) The Sebo has a few features to it that makes it a little more palatable for the commercial setting, like it's geared belt(s) and easy change brushroll.

Post# 464461 , Reply# 41   7/9/2023 at 17:36 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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But for that price, I could buy a Versamatic with alot to offer than that. More power, better filtration, tools on board, bypass design so heavier debris won't wear out the fan, no batteries that'll die and require replacing, etc. To me it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to go for cordless in the commercial market especially for direct air vacuums. I'm pretty sure that's why the ProTeam FreeFlex was a failure.

Post# 464463 , Reply# 42   7/9/2023 at 19:13 by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
That is true

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But there's the allure of convenience we have a few of the tacony models around work, I think like 3 of them those who have them really do like them we also had a cordless backpack or two around. I do think you're right that they won't be huge sellers due to the price tag.

Post# 464466 , Reply# 43   7/9/2023 at 20:28 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I think the Tacony versions are really nice machines, fun to play around with. Although, they aren't as powerful as the corded variants or even both of my older Simplicity Freedoms that I have. The only time I could ever see myself using a cordless full size machine is if the power went out in a building and I'd still need to clean the place up while it's dark. Other than that, I'd use cordless machines in commercial environments that are smaller and easier to use for quick pickups like the Dyson V7 my office has. Last time I looked, they're like less than $200 which I think sounds reasonable.

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