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Thread Number: 43594
/ Tag: 50s/60s/70s Vacuum Cleaners
Electrolux SuperJ / 1401 dirty, and etc. |
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| Post# 455239 7/27/2022 at 07:19 (632 days old) by vap0rtranz (Wisconsin) | ||
My local consignment shop had a complete SuperJ / 1401 for $9. Previous owner had upgraded the hose, the dusting brush is worn, but otherwise it's all there. So I had to rescue it, plugged it in, vacuumed with the PN4 power nozzle, and on suction setting 6 it was tougher to push across my carpet :) Good! Now I'm already started taking it apart for servicing.
Are these machines always this dirty?! See pics. At first I thought the previous owner(s) had abused the machine by vacuuming soot! This dust is the dark grey stuff like from a smoker / grill. You can see in my pics how the interior of the canister is covered in it. Based on the "pop" and umpf I put into this machines screws, I doubt the motor was ever serviced, but thankfully the brushes were NOT completely worn down. Reading up and watching Youtube, it seems the consensus is the extra LARGE brushes spit out more carbon dust than most machines ... Lastly, the motor bearings aren't replaceable? I can try packing them but I don't see a way to remove the rear bearing. | ||
| Post# 455245 , Reply# 1 7/27/2022 at 11:26 (632 days old) by vap0rtranz (Wisconsin) | ||
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another thread answers
Another thread answered my bearing question. Gotta luv this forum & members! :)
Link to bearing thread below. The front, riveted bearing replacement makes sense (drill apart & nut back together). I'm not understanding the rear bearing replacement method ?? CLICK HERE TO GO TO vap0rtranz's LINK | ||
| Post# 455247 , Reply# 2 7/27/2022 at 15:01 (632 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
Average 45 years old...
vap0rtranz wrote:
Are these machines always this dirty?! I reply: When you consider the Super J's are now all 44-46 years old, it's not at all surprising they're a little dirty on the inside. Unless they've already been restored/reconditioned/refurbished, they're going to have almost half a century's worth of dirt and dust built up. The black deposit in the first photo is likely from the motor's carbon brushes. The rest was most likely sucked in through imperfect seals during myriad house cleanings over the decades. In all, it's really a testament to the quality of their construction. Few, if any, modern vacuum cleaners are likely to survive that long. | ||
| Post# 455248 , Reply# 3 7/27/2022 at 15:06 (632 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 455249 , Reply# 4 7/27/2022 at 15:45 (632 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth) | ||
The dark stuff on the outside of the bag chamber is carbon dust and YES that is normal.
The front bearing drill out the rivets, replace bearing, and put back together. The rear bearing take off the cap, push out the old bearing, push in the new bearing, make sure there is oil on the felt around the bronze bearing, then put cap back on. Pictures are of the Super J a friend gave me. | ||
| Post# 455250 , Reply# 5 7/27/2022 at 15:46 (632 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
The black dirt you see is aaaaaaaalllllllllll carbon dust from the motor. Compounded over...what...60 years worth of time? That is normal. This is why the HEPA filtration for the motor exhaust was developed and needed on vacuums, to capture that dust.
The brown dirt is just fine dust that got past the bag and bag chamber and collected on the motor. | ||
| Post# 455251 , Reply# 6 7/27/2022 at 16:07 (632 days old) by vap0rtranz (Wisconsin) | ||
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@bikerray
OK, so the rear bearing is replaceable with usual pushing/pulling/tapping under the cap. Thx for confirming that. It looked completely inaccessible at 1st glance. I've order 2 sealed replacement bearings. The current ones don't sound well. @huskyvacs Yea, the brown dust didn't worry me because it looked like normal household dust, just the black fine dust covering everything isn't anything I've seen before. I'm thinking of making my own exhaust filter for the SuperJ just to keep the exhaust filter debate going, hehe :) | ||
| Post# 455253 , Reply# 7 7/27/2022 at 18:38 (632 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth) | ||
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The rear bearing is a bronze sintered sleeve. Here is a picture of it
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Post# 455255 , Reply# 8 7/27/2022 at 19:53 (632 days old) by countryguy  (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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"vacuumed with the PN4 power nozzle, and on suction setting 6"
Just so you know...the dial settings from 1 to 6 are not for suction...they control at what point the machine will automatically shut off depending on the type of dirt being vacuumed. Setting 1 is used when vacuuing fine dust (which will clog the bag pores sooner and restrict airflow) and setting 6 is for coarse dirt. The higher the number the longer the delay before the machines automatically shuts off. Gary | ||
| Post# 455269 , Reply# 10 7/28/2022 at 07:37 (631 days old) by vap0rtranz (Wisconsin) | ||
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Gary,
OK, so the dial is not adjusting suction but when the machine shuts down. Is the dial setting perhaps in reverse from what you wrote for the 1970s machines? I found the Jubilee owner's manual on Archive.org, and its manual says the reverse order: 1 for coarse, and 6 for fine. That's what my SuperJ's dial labels say as well. @bikerray Ty for the picture! I'd been looking for a ball type bearing to remove ... and would have never found such a bearing, hah! Joel, OK, I'll do the same and service the sleeve bearing with oil. The replacement ball bearing that I ordered is already shipped but it's standard size so it won't got to waste. CLICK HERE TO GO TO vap0rtranz's LINK | ||
| Post# 455274 , Reply# 11 7/28/2022 at 19:37 (631 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth) | ||
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If you are rebuilding the motor the service manual for the Super J refers you to the service manual for the 1205 (sections 25 - 27).
If you have the armature out and don't want to take the cap off the back end you can put 5 to 10 drops of SAE 30 oil in the front opening of the bronze bearing (depending on how dry it is). There should be a felt ring underneath the cap that holds oil for the bearing. Most of the time there is still oil left in the bearing cup. | ||
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Post# 455275 , Reply# 12 7/28/2022 at 20:17 (631 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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| Post# 455280 , Reply# 13 7/29/2022 at 05:41 (631 days old) by vap0rtranz (Wisconsin) | ||
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refurbing motors
@bikerray
Yes, I've got the canister motor and power nozzle motor apart for refurbing. I don't have the service manual so thank you for sharing what it says about these sleeve bearings. I went ahead with 3-in-1 blue bottle oil because I didn't know about what you shared from the service manual and that's what was on hand. Both motor's felt rings were dry as a bone! Maybe this machine never got serviced, or was serviced a very long time ago. The PN4 has a printed sticker that was hand written with the date "1981". See pic. By 1981, wasn't the Olympia One being sold? Perhaps this sticker was the last service date, at least for the power nozzle. Gary, No worries! I can't remember where my glasses are sometimes :)
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| Post# 455281 , Reply# 14 7/29/2022 at 07:44 (630 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth) | ||
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| Post# 455309 , Reply# 18 7/30/2022 at 07:21 (629 days old) by vap0rtranz (Wisconsin) | ||
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2 motors
@bikerray
Understood. I'm talking about the cannister motor AND the power nozzle motor. The power nozzle motor also has felt rings on these bronze bearings. Both sleeve bearings. I didn't remove these power nozzle felt rings because it looked much harder than the cannister's cap. In the cannister's motor, I found 1 bronze "sleeve" bearing like your pic, and a 608 stamped bearing in the front. The cannister's single felt ring was "dry as a bone". So I've oiled the felt on: 3 sleeve bearings in total. Waiting on the post to deliver the replacement 608 for the cannister's front before I put the motors back together. Writing this out takes longer than just pointing and saying a couple words in-person -- oh the joys of the Internet. | ||
| Post# 455338 , Reply# 19 7/31/2022 at 07:40 (628 days old) by beevac (Kewanee) | ||
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addenda 1401 Electrolux cleaner. the power nozzle included with this unit was called the Rug Saver. It was buffed aluminum. A great vacuum for the 70's. | ||
| Post# 455400 , Reply# 20 8/2/2022 at 11:05 (626 days old) by vap0rtranz (Wisconsin) | ||
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Rug Saver?
You mean this power nozzle? :)
Just hand buffed with Mothers until I have time for my Kirby Handi-Butler to machine buff it :D Or is this not matched to a SuperJ? Some folks have said Electrolux would mix-and-match unit model & components ...
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| Post# 455455 , Reply# 22 8/4/2022 at 07:37 (624 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth) | ||
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kirbyklekter | ||
| Post# 455543 , Reply# 23 8/7/2022 at 08:39 (621 days old) by vap0rtranz (Wisconsin) | ||
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update - its my daily driver
Paul,
The bottom is stamped "Rug Saver Power Nozzle" and "PN-4". So perhaps it's not as mix-matched as others. Also ... I hope nobody thought I was throwing older Electrolux under the bus. Actually, the opposite. The grey/black dirt did have me worried, but I've retrofitted this 1401 with: exhaust filter resealed & reconditioned gaskets lots of oil & lube HEPA bags sound dampening foam paint A collector would probably not like my retrofits but everyone's goals are different and my goal is to keep the ol' Gal running and to clean with it. After many cleaning tests, is now my daily driver -- displacing my old Kirby! :O The airflow and suction are better than my Kirby 561 with hose attached, and > 1/2 of what I clean are hardwoods with hard surface nozzle, so the airflow and suction of the 1401 are simply better for what I'm cleaning. It's a great machine, and looks better after I painted the canister, though my old Kirby still looks stellar. :) I can post pics / vid of the retrofits if folks are curious. | ||
| Post# 455557 , Reply# 24 8/7/2022 at 12:19 (621 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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Did you paint it the original gold or another color? When I first got my Super J, I wasn't fond of the color. I thought it was to garish and considered painting it something like burgundy or hunter green, maybe even a bronze, but over time, the gold began to grow on me and my innate laziness convinced me to leave it original.
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