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Thread Number: 43546
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
The horrible truth about central vacuum systems and why every non-Canadian millennial hates them. |
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| Post# 454712 , Reply# 1 7/11/2022 at 20:26 (653 days old) by beagledad (Florida) | ||
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Can an admin please deal with these trolls? | ||
| Post# 454715 , Reply# 2 7/11/2022 at 20:48 (653 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
Geez, hold up their dude
And stop putting words in my mouth. Let me state this plainly
I LIKE ALL VACUUMS, PERIOD! Central vacuums have their place but aren't very efficient at what they do. It's by design. Now let me respond to your claims: Your Claim: "losing 95% of their cleaning performance due to their long hose and long piping" My Answer: They do not lose 95% of their cleaning performance and I have no idea where you obtained that number. Example: motor starts out with 150 CFM and ends up with 80 nozzle CFM. Not a 95% loss. Do the Math! Your Claim: "The hoses are bulky, clunky, and hard to store" My Answer: Some can be, hide-a-hose models not so much Your Claim: "Central vacuum systems burn almost 2500 watts of electricity a day" My Answer: Uh, do you mean 2500 Watts/hr. or something like that? If you run a 1700 Watt machine with a PN for 30 minutes, that would be 850 W/hr. If you run it for 1 hour that would be 1700 W/hr. Not sure where you grabbed 2500 Watts from. You need a time component. Your Claim: "They're prone to clogging" My Answer: The typical person barely understands how to use/maintain any vacuum and can clog anything as I've previously stated elsewhere. BUT, if you actually pay attention to what you're sucking up, clogs are rare in any vacuum. Your Claim: "They're not aerodynamic AT ALL" My Answer: This is a repeat of the first "95% loss" claim. While there are some that clearly "kowtow" to central vacuums, all I want to accomplish is show everyone that central vacs are inefficient. Merely having a big motor does not equate to big performance at the nozzle. VacLab | ||
| Post# 454716 , Reply# 3 7/11/2022 at 20:55 (653 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
Seriously Andrew?
This is like maybe the third or fourth time now you've created a thread recently about central vacs, I don't get why you keep on making new threads while I've noticed you rarely post back into a thread that you would create. I honestly find it annoying. And I'd get less interested in visiting your new threads.
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| Post# 454717 , Reply# 4 7/11/2022 at 20:58 (653 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
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Annual Cost of Running Vacuums
You have to make some assumptions. Adjust your usage as required.
Say you vacuum 50 hours per year (typical). A machine that uses 1000 Watts would consume 50 kW/hrs per year. My electric costs 11 cents per kW/hr, so I would pay $5.50 USD per year. A Starbucks fancy coffee costs as much (or more). If your "suck the paint off the walls" central vacuum uses 2000 Watts (including the PN), you would now pay $11.00 USD per year. Whoopdeedoo... Bill | ||
Post# 454724 , Reply# 6 7/12/2022 at 02:32 (652 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac  ( Canberra, Australia ) |
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| Post# 454728 , Reply# 8 7/12/2022 at 07:27 (652 days old) by wstonehockertv (North Carolina) | ||
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ajr2993 I understand this is all your opinion, but I feel you are doing this to attract attention. If I have an opinion on something, I try to not show my bias towards it. Remember, central vacs are not for everyone. | ||
| Post# 454736 , Reply# 9 7/12/2022 at 09:49 (652 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
It all depends upon how the unit is installed. My installer is my friend who not only is a fellow vacuum collector, he also installs and services central vacuums for a living.
I have three electavalves installed in my home, and a 30 foot "Lux" style electric hose with the 'super J' type grip. I have a Cameleon retractable hose for the bedrooms, located in the main hall. I have a Wally Flex in the laundry room as well as over my work bench in the garage. I have a Vroom under the kitchen sink. I have a vacpan along the baseboard in the kitchen. I have a garage inlet near the garage door for cleaning cars in the driveway. And of course, Modern Day central vacs have a utility valve I use when vacuuming the garage floor. At vacuum convention time, my friends try different power units on my 'pipes', with different results. They run every power nozzle I have at home at the end of the different hoses. We had Central Vacuums as a theme a few years ago. The central vac is like a very, very quiet canister vacuum with a long hose. As the late Stan Kann used to say, "it only needs enough suction to get the schmutz into the end of the hose". | ||
| Post# 454737 , Reply# 10 7/12/2022 at 10:10 (652 days old) by Ocscott3085 (DMV) | ||
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Tom, just curious, is your electric hose wire-reinfoced like the older style hoses or the newer, crush-proof design? | ||
| Post# 454739 , Reply# 11 7/12/2022 at 10:38 (652 days old) by maytag142c (Somewhere over the rainbow. ) | ||
I have an MD M-715H with a crushproof hose. The unit has 4 inlets on it plus the utility inlet for the basement and it’s vented outside. Apparently this unit is one of the more powerful units that you can run on 120v before stepping up to a 240v model. Not once have I ever had a clog, have I ever had suction loss, nor have I ever had an issue with the unit and I suck up all sorts of stuff, some stuff shouldn’t even be sucked up but if it can fit it goes. The same friend Tom got his unit from, I got mine from and I couldn’t be happier. It’s the vacuum I use the most.
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Post# 454740 , Reply# 12 7/12/2022 at 11:03 (652 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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I thought about it in my old place. I found a HOOVER unit on ebay...but couldn't get it here. It's the only one I'd get. I really don't need one. But, Owen Perkins was very kind to me about it. A few yrs back, someone else tried to sell me one...didn't work out.
I'm told it wouldn't be THAT hard to retrofit this 12 room place. But..................... There is a Hoover Central vac in the basement. Good enough. | ||
| Post# 454751 , Reply# 13 7/12/2022 at 16:54 (652 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Scott | ||
| Post# 454791 , Reply# 15 7/13/2022 at 15:54 (651 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
I think people vastly underestimate and do not think about what goes into installing a central vacuum. This is not something you just buy and use. You have to spend weeks renovating your home to fit one in which is why they are only found in new constructions. There is a lot of damages done to walls, floors, ceilings , et cetera to install central vacuum tubing. it's at least $1,000+ in labor to install.
the people that actually use central vacuums are maybe less than 1% of America. in canada most new home construction requires central vacuum systems - why i don't know. canada is very strange. I would highly advise you to stop watching clickbait youtube channels which will cut out these paranoid rants. central vacuums have existed for over 100 years and they are still a very little used and little bought cleaning system and the top vacuums are still hoover and shark and dyson. there is absolutely nobody rushing out in the middle of the night to buy a central vacuum system. | ||
| Post# 454794 , Reply# 16 7/13/2022 at 17:27 (651 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
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Canadian Central Vac Requirement? | ||
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Post# 454799 , Reply# 17 7/13/2022 at 19:15 (651 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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| Post# 454801 , Reply# 18 7/13/2022 at 22:22 (651 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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I think what I must have read must have been a builder's requirement for certain estate homes as their furnishings and not the national code.
pacesetterhomessask.com/wp-conte... pacesetterhomessask.com/about/... I just figured it was a requirement because so many homes had them from new. But Canada does have requirements in the building code on how the piping can be run and protected from fire.
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| Post# 454853 , Reply# 20 7/14/2022 at 14:47 (650 days old) by Ocscott3085 (DMV) | ||
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Yes, I put off changing the bag in my MD central vac unit by about two months. It was JAM packed with dirt, dust and enough dog hair to make another beagle. As Beagledad mentioned, there had been no noticeable loss in performance. Love my MD central vac. | ||
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Post# 454864 , Reply# 21 7/14/2022 at 20:26 (650 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada) |
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Many new homebuilders do the rough in for central vac as it is so much easier but I would guess that most builders do not provide the power unit/accessories nor do the home buyers have the install finished. I see ads all the time on Facebook, etc. for central vac units & accessories with the sellers saying they don't use the vacuum, don't like it and instead are using their stick vacuum.
Gary | ||
| Post# 454872 , Reply# 23 7/14/2022 at 23:11 (650 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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| Post# 455004 , Reply# 25 7/19/2022 at 16:44 (645 days old) by BrianNC (Long Island NY, living in NC) | ||
I love my central vacuum, everyone is entitled to their opinions and preferences for vacuums.
I don't see where my central vacuum is inferior, it's very convenient for me and my home. I'm a canister vacuum guy, I dislike upright vacuums but wouldn't sway anyone from buying/using them. Happy vacuuming. :) | ||
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Post# 455035 , Reply# 26 7/20/2022 at 12:59 (644 days old) by Vinvac (Dubuque IA) |
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I am not a fan of central vacuums but I see the value in them for some folks.
I personally think the hose being so long is cumbersome at best to use. Air flow is fantastic. I don't like them when used with a turbo units as the powerhead. An electric powerhead cleans much better in my opinion. All of the units I have used are the bag-less type and cleaning those filters and tank is just plain disgusting. I would opt for a bagged unit over the bag-less any day. Although not for me, I think they are an awesome convenience for those who like them. Just my two cents | ||
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Post# 455037 , Reply# 27 7/20/2022 at 13:26 (644 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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I agree | ||
| Post# 455039 , Reply# 28 7/20/2022 at 14:41 (644 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 455044 , Reply# 29 7/20/2022 at 15:28 (644 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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| Post# 455046 , Reply# 30 7/20/2022 at 16:02 (644 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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| Post# 455051 , Reply# 31 7/20/2022 at 18:56 (644 days old) by Ocscott3085 (DMV) | ||
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I agree with Tom - the sealed bags in the MD units are such a great addition. My parents Silentmaster has the open bag style that can be quite dirty to change. I like that I can just pop my bag on and off the collar. Bag changes are super quick, clean, and easy. | ||
| Post# 455410 , Reply# 32 8/2/2022 at 13:06 (631 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
Either this is a troll or somebody incredibly ignorant.
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| Post# 455416 , Reply# 33 8/2/2022 at 15:31 (631 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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And references the "Canadians" but leaves out those of us who Love our sanitary Central Vacuums in the Heartland of America.
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| Post# 455422 , Reply# 34 8/2/2022 at 16:44 (631 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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| Post# 455540 , Reply# 36 8/7/2022 at 05:53 (626 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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vacuumdevil
The userbase on the site is fine, there is new members all the time and plenty of active posters. Not sure where you are pulling your statistics from.
It's better to have quality users than more users. This ain't reddit bruh. It's a laid-back forum, not a chanboard. People don't come here for the "high user count" nor does it matter. If you don't like the topic, hide it. That is why that button is there. As the old Geico commercials went - "it's so easy a caveman could do it." | ||
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Post# 455725 , Reply# 37 8/11/2022 at 10:34 (622 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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I have friends who have them and love them | ||
| Post# 455732 , Reply# 38 8/11/2022 at 12:03 (622 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Mike
Your Drain Vac was awesome. 240 volts of pure power.
As you are aware, this year's Vacuum Cleaner Collectors Convention's theme is Power Nozzle Canisters. I guess a central vac hooked up to an electric hose at the utility valve with a power nozzle would count for the Cleaning Contest. Remember last year there was a $50 prize to the winner. There are plans to film the cleaning contest for YouTube (along with some colorful commentary). Charlie Watrous is going to host the contest, like last year. Always a riot. | ||
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