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Post# 452087   4/27/2022 at 15:26 (722 days old) by ecaden1 (clayton,NC)        

I accidentally bought another vacuum today. I was out and decided to drop into the pawn shop that is by my house. I normally don't go to pawn shops as they normally want way too much for things, and only have modern stuff that "people want to buy". This one is a bit different and I have found a few things in the past there. I have for around 5 years or so had my eyes on this machine, but the price of $99.95 has always discouraged me from even breathing on it too hard. I finally decided to ask about it, since it has been there since 2011 and the tag had literally faded away to just white, the guy said he could do $60, which I still thought was too high, but I checked it out and the motor in the vacuum sounds absolutely great and it is in pretty nice shape aside from being dirty, and it includes the power nozzle (something I never get with these machines for some reason). The only issue was that the old woven hose was leaking so badly that there was absolutely no suction at the end, so with that I was able to talk them down to $40, which is more than I would usually pay for something like this, but for some reason I felt the need to get it.

I know I will get some hate for this, but I really do not like these old woven electrolux hoses, They always leak, even if just a little bit, and even the ones that are in good shape, they are not very flexible, so using them to do anything is annoying as they are bulky and non flexible. I much prefer a rubber hose.

It runs well and I "fixed" the hose with some of the finest dollar store masking tape available. The power nozzle works well also, and the brushroll is in pretty good shape. It sounds quite week, but every one of these I have had in the past has also sounded weak, so I guess it is normal (although I have only had one other power nozzle). It does feel quite loose, but I checked and everything is as tight as it can get, so I guess it is either normal, or worn out. But it seems to work okay either way. it is the PN4A, which I think I will eventualty get the PN-5 to use with it as it has a wider track and can be got on ebay for not too much, and it will work with the wand I already have.
I think I mentioned it, but if not, it is an Electrolux model 1505.


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Post# 452089 , Reply# 1   4/27/2022 at 15:36 (722 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Yea I accidentally buy allot of vacuums. Sure fire way of knowing I am about to buy another is when I say Right No more I have enough..
Nice machine


Post# 452090 , Reply# 2   4/27/2022 at 15:56 (722 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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I love the Silverado. One of my all-time favorites.

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Post# 452091 , Reply# 3   4/27/2022 at 16:08 (722 days old) by ecaden1 (clayton,NC)        

I took the power nozzle apart and oiled the motor (which uses sleeve bearings) and it sounds and runs a lot better. It was pretty stiff.
are the bearings in the motor sleeve type bushings as well, or are they ball bearings?


Post# 452095 , Reply# 4   4/27/2022 at 18:43 (721 days old) by royalsuper (france )        

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this vacuum cleaner had been waiting for a new owner since 2011 ! you did a good deal! the prices on ebay are much higher and the machines are not sold with all the parts or are very expensive ...

Post# 452096 , Reply# 5   4/27/2022 at 18:49 (721 days old) by ecaden1 (clayton,NC)        

Yep, it has been sitting there in that same spot for over a decade waiting on someone to buy it. I wonder hoe much longer it would have sat there if I did not buy it. I remember going in there when I was little with my dad and I was looking at it then, and then again about 3 years ago with my friend when he decided to sell them a TV, and for some reason I got the feeling to go in there and ask about it today.
I am happy with the deal, I had wanted to get a descent power nozzle anyway for a while, so I would not be able to find a better deal on a whole machine with the nozzle included. I do have to get a new hose, and I am going to get a rubber hose, but it seems like at this point they all have at least one split in them on ebay, I think I found one or two that are in okay shape. I am probably just going to use it with this hose for a little while longer though.


Post# 452098 , Reply# 6   4/27/2022 at 18:58 (721 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth)        

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The rear bearing is a sleeve bearing the front is a ball bearing.

Post# 452099 , Reply# 7   4/27/2022 at 19:03 (721 days old) by ecaden1 (clayton,NC)        

cool, I guess I should probably eventually lubricate that as well.

Post# 452100 , Reply# 8   4/27/2022 at 19:25 (721 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth)        

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I wanted to make sure we are talking about the motor in the Silverado. It uses the same motor as the Super J.

If you look at the back end of the motor it will have a cap over the end of the armature. Under that cap will be a felt disk that has oil on it to lubricate the sintered bronze sleeve.

The ball bearing is in the plate under the fans and fan housing.


Post# 452102 , Reply# 9   4/27/2022 at 19:44 (721 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth)        

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If you have a plastic bridge over the back of the motor instead of the metal casting you will have ball bearings at both ends of the armature.

Sorry I can't remember if the started the plastic bridge with the Silverado or it was later.

The rear bearing fits into the plastic bridge and there are a couple of holes next to the bearing one of which will have a small rubber ball in the hole to keep the bearing outer race from spinning.


Post# 452103 , Reply# 10   4/27/2022 at 19:57 (721 days old) by ecaden1 (clayton,NC)        

yeah, it does not have it. I successfully took it apart and lubricated the bearing. While I was in there, I checked the brushes because there was a lot of carbon dust. They only have about 1/2 inch left, not sure how long they were originally, but I am guessing they need to be changed sooner than later.

Post# 452104 , Reply# 11   4/27/2022 at 20:32 (721 days old) by ecaden1 (clayton,NC)        

Of course now the cord reel is acting up, I didn't even mess with it. I will have to take it back apart and see what I did.

Post# 452105 , Reply# 12   4/27/2022 at 20:43 (721 days old) by Ctvacman (CT)        
Silverado handle

I’ve noticed several silverados that pop up have the old style front handle that is recessed like a super j. I’ve noticed this enough to know that it’s not a hack thing. Wondering if anyone can weigh in on this, I’ve seen more paired with a PN5 than 4 with that style handle.

Post# 452106 , Reply# 13   4/27/2022 at 20:48 (721 days old) by ecaden1 (clayton,NC)        

I was actually wondering about that myself. I thought at first it was missing/broken, but nothing is missing/broken and it does not look like someone messed with it.

Post# 452107 , Reply# 14   4/27/2022 at 21:02 (721 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
It was waiting for you...

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Yeah, $40 really isn't bad for that machine, especially with the power nozzle. I saw an Olympia one with the flippy floor tool from a 1205 and a set of aluminum wands at a thrift store here for that price last year. I ended up paying $10 more for a Kirby Sentria with a full set of accessories that was next to it instead but the Olympia sold quickly to someone else.

The Silverados are really good machines. I've got one that I snatched from the jaws of death a couple of years ago. It was pretty beaten down but I just couldn't bear to part it out so I resurrected it instead. It still looks sort of rough but it runs fine.

I'm actually more partial to the square PN2 and PN4/4A nozzles than I am to the later L-shaped ones. The only thing I'm not fond of about the PN4A is the paint, which gets scarred up and makes the nozzle look shabby. I've got two Silverado gray PN4A's, one of which I repainted with Rustoleum Hammertone black paint and primer in one. The paint is actually sort of a gunmetal gray, slightly darker than the origina. It came out looking great and the textured paint hides a world of sins. I thought about painting the other one but ended up getting a polished aluminum PN4 shell for it. It fit on the nozzle perfectly but the PN4A screws were a tad longer and wouldn't secure the shell into place tightly. The simple solution was just to use the ones that came with the PN4 shell.


Post# 452108 , Reply# 15   4/27/2022 at 21:06 (721 days old) by repairman (Woodridge, IL)        

I sold one of these last year. Good vacuum but I have no interest in canisters unless it's a Rainbow. Paid $5 at Goodwill and it came with a practically perfect woven hose, working power nozzle, wands, and floor/carpet head.

Post# 452109 , Reply# 16   4/27/2022 at 21:12 (721 days old) by ecaden1 (clayton,NC)        

yeah. the main reason I bought it was because of the power nozzle. I had one like this one a long time ago, but not the wand that went with it, and somehow that got gone, and I have what I believe is a PN-1 that came with my automatic G, but it has an attached plastic wand that is not removable, and it is cracked and taped all up, and that whole thing is just very worn out, so a good power nozzle that is not completely worn out is a great thing to have gotten, and I would pay more on eBay for just a power nozzle than I did for all of this.
I still want to get one of the little small power nozzles that they had for stuff like my couch that is always covered in cat hair and stuff like that.


Post# 452126 , Reply# 17   4/28/2022 at 04:25 (721 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Your vacuum cleaner,

has got to be the most patient vacuum I've ever heard of. 10 yrs. waiting around for you to come to your senses and bring it home,lol. You did great on the price, really. I agree that the vinyl hoses perform better and are more flexible and easy to use. What a lot of collectors do is hang on to the original for posterity and in case they were to sell the cleaner at a later date, but use a vinyl hose for the day to day usage.

By the way what brand is your reel to reel? I had one years ago and foolishly sold it, only to find out later as I got older and started learning about things that mine only needed a new belt for the idler arm. My big bad.


Post# 452127 , Reply# 18   4/28/2022 at 05:13 (721 days old) by ecaden1 (clayton,NC)        

yeah, I am good with the price. It is more than I usually spend, Most of what I get is from thrift stores or the flea market for like $10, but not bad at all. I have seen A LOT worse.
That is an AKAI GZ-4000D, came out of a bar my friend used to own, it's got a lot of hours on it, but has never had an issue.


Post# 452172 , Reply# 19   4/29/2022 at 12:56 (720 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
I recommend…

Getting yourself the OEM vinyl hose over generic. The handle is how to tell. The OEM handles have the round knob to open and close for suction vent the generics are different. Used OEM vinyl ones pop up on ebay periodically.

On the power nozzle, check the throat. It’s a flexible rubber and usually cracks or rips near where it ends close to the power brush and flexing causes a suction leak.

The PN4A is good but an L shaped will provide better cleaning results but it’s nice to have the original set. The L shaped PN5 was introduced during the Silverado run.

If you replace the hose with another OEM but vinyl one, keep the handle from the old one, they fit the vinyl ones too. I know how to safely take them off with no damage, a specific process. It’s good to keep an extra in case a part fails inside the handle as the parts are pricey from Aerus.

As far as the front handle goes…most Silverado’s had that setup you have but some were made with the other setup for a while. They did the same thing on the Olympia’s. So both styles are original, they just made a change for some reason. Personally I like the one like you have as mine is the same and easy to use.

You may wish to get the crevice tool, combination rug and floor tool, the 2 accessory wands, and a combination dusting brush upholstery tool and a “sidekick” mini power nozzle for a complete set.

The Silverado deluxe is one of Electrolux’s best machines and popular among enthusiasts and collectors.

Jon


Post# 452174 , Reply# 20   4/29/2022 at 15:37 (720 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Cord winder

The cord on my Kenmore canister didn't use to fully return to the machine when retracted. Someone here suggested putting some talcum powder or baby powder on the length of the cord. Acts as a dry lubricant.

So I fully extended the cord and put some powder in my hand and while gripping the cord,let the cord return to machine without stopping it until the plug came in to my hand. Did it twice and it really made a difference. Much smoother, and fully returns to the machine.

The cord winder on my model F Electrolux is making a scraping sound when retracting and I doubt using baby powder is going to fix that, 65 years of use is catching up with the machine I believe!

What is wrong with yours?


Post# 452193 , Reply# 21   4/29/2022 at 23:10 (719 days old) by ecaden1 (clayton,NC)        

I am going to keep the original hose, of course I will remove the tape and put it away somewhere safe. I do plan on getting a vinyl hose, and it will be a genuine one,not a cheap knockoff.
I also have all of the tools you mentioned (not for this exact vacuum, but for my other Electrolux machines, and of course they work with this one as well) excapt for a sidekick, which is something I just discovered, and now i have to get one as it looks like it would be nice, and far better from those wind powered "turbo brushes" that some vacuums had.


Post# 452194 , Reply# 22   4/29/2022 at 23:12 (719 days old) by ecaden1 (clayton,NC)        

So, the cord winder was working perfectly fine, then I took it apart and it would no longer latch in the out position. I did the good ole give it a good whack trick which fixed it, and it seems to be working just fine now. That is a trick I got used to doing every time I wanted to use my model G as it never latches out unless you kick it. I still plan on fixing it on that machine, but I am guessing something was just not seated correctly as it has not had an issue since on this machine.

Post# 452195 , Reply# 23   4/29/2022 at 23:15 (719 days old) by ecaden1 (clayton,NC)        

One more question I have, and it is more about the power nozzle than the vacuum itself... Like mentioned, I have a model G and some other older style machines, which use the old style hose with the plug on the side of the vacuum for the power nozzle... I have a nice electric hose, and would like to use this power nozzle with those machines, I have a PN-1 but it is very broken. The only issue is that the PN-1 has a cord attached to it that plugs into the female end on the hose, where this newer one does not, the hose just has an extended receptacle that fits into the plug on the power nozzle when the hose is attached, Is there a short cord or something that I can use to hook this nozzle up to the older style hose? If so, what is it called?

Post# 452523 , Reply# 24   5/12/2022 at 15:22 (707 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
No but….You could use….

A sheath cord. It is the cord inside the plastic sheath of the power nozzle wand that came with the silverado and are replaceable and can be purchased from Aerus as they still use this sheath and wand design. But you would have to trim the prong end of the rubber to be smaller with a file so it will fit in your hose end plug and also the outer rubber shroud on the female end off as well so it will plug into the Silverado’s wand. However, a better alternative is to remove the power nozzle itself from it’s special wand down near the power nozzle and use the PN-1 power nozzle’s wand…. Provided the PN-1 wand you have is the stainless steel with the blue sheath on the upper section with the hanging sheath cord. If your pn-1 wand is a full length tan or cream plastic wand …..then no ….this suggestion won’t work and you will have no choice but to get a sheath cord and modify it or you can look on eBay or a generic vacuum store and see if you can get a generic pigtail cord is generally what they are called and usually about a foot long or so but that might not be long enough. Measure the length you would need before buying anything.

Perhaps post a picture of your PN-1 wand so I can see what you have. Also the hose and it’s plug that you would be wanting to use the Silverado’s power nozzle with.

Another option would be if you have a tan single plastic power nozzle wand you can change the power nozzle neck to one that is the short neck and then get a PN-1 metal wand set with the blue sheath and it’s appropriate sheath cord but seeing that your PN-1 is broken you may just want to get a whole new PN-1 or PN-2 wirh the stainless steel wands with blue sheath and that will work nicely with the older hose plug system. Not sure if you have the external wire wrap or the full electric hose on the older machines would be good to see pics of what you have.

As far as an earlier concern you mentioned about this power nozzle feeling loose. That is the way they are designed. The base of the neck which is part of the assembly with the wheels is designed to travel up and down purposely…it’s part of that flexible neck I mentioned. The concept is for self height adjustment for different types of carpet. If you push downward very hard the front of the power nozzle will never bog down on the carpet but instead you’ll just mash those back wheels into the carpet but the front of the power nozzle will just adjust to still glide over the top of the carpet correctly with this self adjusting feature. The subsequent L shaped models work similarly but have a more advanced spring loaded version of this type of system which is better. If you take the top cover off of your PN-4a (remove the bottom two screws then flip over and remove cover) you’ll see how the whole system works from the front flexible neck all the way back to the base of the neck where the wheel shafts ride up and down in their channels. It is understandable if you have only ever had a PN-1 or PN-2 that one would think the neck is loose because neither of those have any type of self height adjustment feature and everything is fixed except for the neck for the tilting of the wand. The PN-4 and 4a were designed for shag carpet where bogging down by pushing downward on the power nozzle could do damage to the shag carpet or not clean it as appropriately and surface cleaning of the shag long fibers was needed at an optimal height. The opening on the PN-4 and 4a is also much larger around the brush roll allowing for proper cleaning of the shag. The wheels could sink down in to the shag, but the front of the head stays floating on top. Even on standard carpet this more advanced system made for easy pushing of the power nozzle on carpet. People who had PN-1’s and/or PN-2’s were used to pushing downward harder to get their power nozzles to “dig in” especially on matted carpet were somewhat annoyed with this new PN-4 style because there is no way to get the PN-4 to do that unless you manually press down on the front of the top with either one’s foot or hand. With the PN-4 system you get the most contact with the carpet on the pulling back towards you stroke as that can tilt the front of the head a bit downward slightly but it’s still generally floating on top of the carpet.

Jon



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