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Post# 48569   8/13/2008 at 20:02 (5,728 days old) by charles~richard ()        

I only draw your attention to this one because of the hilarious item description the seller wrote!


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Post# 48572 , Reply# 1   8/13/2008 at 20:08 (5,728 days old) by lux1521 ()        

Very funny indeed!

On a more technical note, it appears that the filter cover is not the original. It does not have the dual blower doors that I would expect on that version.


Post# 48574 , Reply# 2   8/13/2008 at 20:29 (5,728 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
And then there is this gem coming up.

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I mean, to me this is a highly coveted gem to help complete my American Lux XXX lineup. With the blue LX patterned vinyl tank fabric...but not at that opening bid. Arghhhhhhh.....

Suddenly, the factory refurb blue hammertone XXX above is looking awfully attractive as well - it's only a couple or 3 hours away in Toledo for personal pickup. Mmm...

dave


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Post# 48590 , Reply# 3   8/13/2008 at 22:13 (5,728 days old) by crevicetool (GA )        
How clever...

At least the seller has a sense of humor...I like that

thanks, Charles


Post# 48591 , Reply# 4   8/13/2008 at 22:17 (5,728 days old) by charles~richard ()        

It's the correct rear cover, Erick. This is a factory rebuild, and it's the 1948 version. See link.

And ÆolianDave, the one in the link you posted is a bojack rebuild. The easiest way to tell this is how the leatherette is puckered in two places on the rear end. Electrolux factory work was never this sloppy. Worth more like 9.99 than 99.99.......



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Post# 48593 , Reply# 5   8/13/2008 at 22:23 (5,728 days old) by charles~richard ()        

erg, Erick, I meant to say, the one in the link I posted, with the blue-painted side rails, is a 1947 version - note the flat runners. Then the one Æ-D just posted is the 1949 version; flat runners and saloon-type rear doors.



Post# 48594 , Reply# 6   8/13/2008 at 22:37 (5,728 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Good eye, Rick. my guess is someone had a 52 body can and thought it would look better with chrome & polished ends (I wouldn't disagree) and jammed it together carelessly wrinkling the LX vinyl...and that is the LX pattern.

So...if I had both machines, swapped back the factory hammertone bits, polished out the bag cover fins & side trim, re-laid the vinyl and latched on a hammertone cordwinder...

Oh, never mind. Makes more sense to check out my 6th LX, the rusty beater parts machine and see if the leatherette is in one piece at the front under the handle and could be peeled off big enough to fit an XXX. Oh, never mind again.

But someday I really would like a last gasp XXX to match the LXs. (:{]

Enthusiastic Dreamin' Dave


Post# 48603 , Reply# 7   8/13/2008 at 23:11 (5,728 days old) by lux1521 ()        

I thought this was a '52 era model, prior to the LX style leatherette being introduced. I did not notice the runners being flat. Whoops!

I did sent the seller an email asking what the wattage is, just to get one more factor in. I'm just wondering if it might be mixed up, like Kirby factory rebuilds frequently were.


Post# 48779 , Reply# 8   8/15/2008 at 22:46 (5,726 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Well, I had to go for it. Why? Because of the cloth weave hose and the paint job. Whether it is a genuine Electrolux refurb or a Metropolitan bojack job, it will at least be an good complete example of an XXX painted refurb in the collection. I'll be real interested in examining the paint. Hammertone baked enamel or scratchable spray paint. Also, I knew from previously contacting 'VacMom'aka Vaccraft Industries, that I would be able to do a personal pick-up. :-)

And I've wanted to meet VacMom Laura Bytwerk, anyway sometime - she has quite a few used vacuums come up in her auction business. I almost got a turquoise Dyson DC07 but missed it by minutes.

Missed this Royal Cylinder Set, too, dammit! by 10 minutes. Grrrrr

Hope one of us 'bought-it-now'. Do tell...

Dave, heading to Toledo on Monday - hope to locate the old Air-Way plant while there. I know there's a thread about that building...


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Post# 48785 , Reply# 9   8/16/2008 at 01:53 (5,725 days old) by charles~richard ()        

I agree, the hose looks very nice and certainly worth the price of admission. :)


Post# 49618 , Reply# 10   8/25/2008 at 19:19 (5,716 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
1947 (?) Hammertone XXX update

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Intense examination took place this afternoon. Although it is clear the vacuum was totally disassembled before painting the various parts it does seem odd that the side trims as well were painted. While the vacuum is clearly badged as an Electrolux Factory BRANCH rebuild I can only assume that branch manager decided to exercise some creative license. :-)

One huge anomaly has come to light that I haven't the knowledge or experience to explain. So here goes with a 9 picture photo essay.


Post# 49619 , Reply# 11   8/25/2008 at 19:23 (5,716 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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First, the exterior. hose and painted tools from all sides - 4 pix.

Side


Post# 49620 , Reply# 12   8/25/2008 at 19:23 (5,716 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Post# 49621 , Reply# 13   8/25/2008 at 19:24 (5,716 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Backside

Post# 49623 , Reply# 14   8/25/2008 at 19:31 (5,716 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Front. Where the fun begins. The clue is the side profile of the cover latch lever...

Btw, the cord is as supple as new with original molded on Electrolux plug and socket. It is also quite thick compared to later XXX cords, the like of which I have only seen on original but crumbling XII & XXX cords.

The cloth weave hose is I'd say 98% airtight still.


Post# 49624 , Reply# 15   8/25/2008 at 19:34 (5,716 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Side by side comparison of an unpolished cover and the blue one.

So far almost identical.


Post# 49626 , Reply# 16   8/25/2008 at 19:40 (5,716 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Now for some differences.

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Same covers - inside plates. Attachment points for screws are different as is the die-stamped pattern particularly in the intake area.

Clue two is the shape of the latch tongues and look closely at the background behind those tongues...


Post# 49628 , Reply# 17   8/25/2008 at 19:50 (5,716 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Here's the surprise, at least to me.

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The hammertone's cover is not an aluiminum casting, it is a die stamping. So is the latch lever a piece of stamped and folded steel brilliance with three exterior rounded ribs as opposed to the cast lever's 5 stepped edges.

The latch tongue mechanism is geared to rotate the tongues upward to lock position, as opposed to the side sliding action of the cast cover.


Post# 49629 , Reply# 18   8/25/2008 at 19:56 (5,716 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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The usual Cast aluminum cover and simplified latch mechanism I am familiar with...up until now.

Charles, please, what do you make of this? Is the stamped steel a genuine Electrolux cover? From which era?

Dave...perplexed.



Post# 49630 , Reply# 19   8/25/2008 at 20:25 (5,716 days old) by crevicetool (GA )        
WOW Dave....

What an unusual find!!! Great detective work too! I am waiting on pins and needles for an answer on this. I have never seen that combination before.

Rick


Post# 49631 , Reply# 20   8/25/2008 at 20:31 (5,716 days old) by crevicetool (GA )        
Something else.....

Is the hammertone, while painted on, thin? In other words, does it obscure any of the stampings etc.? If you could, ( I know how you hate to use your camera), HA! could you give me a close up of the rear motor cover. Something tells me that that elusive hammertone had to be available in some form or another to dealers. It sure ain't now!

Rick

p.s. like a side view so I could see the pattern?


Post# 49634 , Reply# 21   8/25/2008 at 20:39 (5,716 days old) by charles~richard ()        

Well, I am as stumped as everyone else is. I am going to have to check all my Model XXXs (a dozen or so of the various variations) to see if any of them have the three-rib levers.

The only thing I can think of, offhand, is that this is an updated version of the original cover that I have never seen before.



Post# 49653 , Reply# 22   8/25/2008 at 22:59 (5,716 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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My thinking was perhaps during the war with aluminum a restricted metal Electrolux did tests and stamped out some covers & backplates & levers from cheaper and available steel, found it a good stopgap and produced enough that some were sent out to Depots as replacements for exactly this - painting. But that doesn't really support the geared handle as it has more precise parts than the later sliding lever. There's a deep nick on one inside corner that seems to show a copper core...another pea-sized worn area on the cover shows that it may be plated.(Understandably, I'm loathe to remove it to see if the cover is chromed plated)

It's the triple gear tongue rotator that has me mesmerized...

As for the paint, it is hard & shiny like baked. I wouldn't say it is thin as in transparent. Sort of a puddle-y pattern.

There is no hint that there is the usual patent printing stamped on the inside cover backplate but on the lower body rim in the usual place, read clearly through the paint it says:

Model 30 DC to 50 CYCLES AC 115 VOLTS 475 WATTS

AHAH!!! Check your early 30s...

Rick, I thought the pictures showed the hammertoone pattern quite clearly? This any better? More pictures can be taken Tuesday night as I have it off.

Thanks guys.



Post# 49654 , Reply# 23   8/25/2008 at 23:08 (5,716 days old) by charles~richard ()        

Looking at how the paint has worn off of the chromed parts -- the power switch housing and the side rails, my guess is that this is sprayed-on hammertone. Especially since the rebuild was done at a branch office and not at the factory. Had it been done at the factory, first off, the chrome areas would not have been painted over, even with baked hammertone. Because it will not bond to chrome plating.

If they did paint those parts at all, the chrome plating would have been stripped off first.

Now to the front cover lever issue.

I inspected all of my 30s and NONE of them have the type of lever, Æ-D. They have either/or of the following two variations:



Post# 49655 , Reply# 24   8/25/2008 at 23:11 (5,716 days old) by charles~richard ()        

In the version above, the front cover has little rubber "feet" on each side that fit into rectangular openings on the aluminum collar around the bag chamber opening.

Note that the top part of the lever has the same 3-rib pattern as the unusual cover you found with the gears. I wonder, if I took apart this early front cover, whether or not it would have those gears. My hunch is that it does.

My feeling overall about this style of cover is that the latch was fairly easily broken off because of its thinness where it attaches to the machine. The later versions are thicker where they attach to the machine, making them much sturdier. See photo below.



Post# 49666 , Reply# 25   8/26/2008 at 07:08 (5,715 days old) by crevicetool (GA )        
No Dave, further pics not necessary....

Thanks, what I was interested in was the flange area where the rear cover slides over the body of the machine. Your photo detailed this perfectly. What I was looking for was a build-up of paint film, which the cover on your machine clearly does not have. The two products for producing hammertone available (that I know of)...Rustoleum and Hammerite, produce a thick, (in paint terms about 5-7 mils thick) film. It is impossible to work with for decorative painting, as it is manufactured for rust prevention on exterior metals. To get it to "hammer" you have to spray it on quite thick and at that point it fills any area that is embossed, such as the Electrolux script on the sides of the E, AE, or even the Thrift T. I will find the stuff they used back then, as God as my witness, I'll never be hungry again!!

Thank you very much, Rick


Post# 49677 , Reply# 26   8/26/2008 at 13:23 (5,715 days old) by charles~richard ()        

The paint used at the Electrolux factory would have come in large drums, probably 50-gallon capacity given the huge quantity of the stuff they used, and would have been applied with an air compressor.

But the key part of the process was the baking, which happened after the paint was sprayed. Hammertone paint cures and develop the best when baked. That's what gives it that hard, smooth, dark look and blue-gray color. And its surface is rock-hard and very hard to scratch.




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