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Thread Number: 42870
/ Tag: Pre-1950 Vacuum Cleaners
Magic Suction Cleaner |
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| Post# 449073 1/4/2022 at 19:03 (836 days old) by Hoover300 (Kentucky) | ||
Anyone seen another or have info on it? I know John Cadle has one, but that is the extent of my knowledge. The patent date I found was from 1911. It works but is missing the switch and original bag/connector. Very quiet and powerful. Bought unrestored from Kyle, who got it from that Marketplace ad.
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Post# 449075 , Reply# 1 1/4/2022 at 21:01 (836 days old) by myvacsrock  (USA) |
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So cool! It looks great! I doubt anyone else has one. Such a rare cleaner, and great in your capable care! | ||
| Post# 449078 , Reply# 2 1/4/2022 at 22:00 (836 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
That front shot of it reminds me of the vacuum cleaner from the Teletubbies. lol
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| Post# 449080 , Reply# 3 1/4/2022 at 22:15 (836 days old) by Hoover300 (Kentucky) | ||
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Myvacsrock | ||
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Post# 449259 , Reply# 4 1/15/2022 at 09:35 (825 days old) by Centralvacs1928 (Chicagoland) |
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So cool! Hoping you can make a video of it running sometime. | ||
| Post# 449264 , Reply# 5 1/15/2022 at 16:46 (825 days old) by watsonw (Newport, Shropshire, UK) | ||
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There's one...... in the science museum in london, UK. | ||
| Post# 449267 , Reply# 6 1/16/2022 at 00:47 (825 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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I found some information on the Rosenfield Manufacturing. Co. I am certain it's the same one. It looks like he started out as a purveyor and inventory of coin based amusement machines from 1903 to 1907.
"Born in California in 1867, William Rosenfield moved back east to his mother’s hometown of New York City with his family as a young boy. Mechanically adept, Rosenfield spent five years designing plumbing fittings before joining with a group of investors to establish the Amusement Machine Company in Jersey City in 1890. The company soon became one of the largest producers of trade stimulators and countertop gambling machines in the country, but by 1896 this business was starting to wane, so the founders decided it was time to cash out. Together with his sister, Bertha, and an investor named Francis Gribbins, Rosenfield raised $10,000 to establish his own maker of toys, tools, and mechanical novelties in September 1896 as the Rosenfield Manufacturing Company. Starting with the same gambling machines he had built at the Amusement Machine Company, by 1900 Rosenfield offered a full line of testers, shockers, peep shows, and vending machines and claimed to be the largest equipment manufacturer in the Eastern United States. The main driver of the company’s business, however, was the Illustrated Song Machine, which Rosenfield himself designed in 1899 and combined a Kinetoscope with a phonograph to provide a soundtrack." videogamehistorian.wordpress.com... www.arcade-museum.com/man... | ||
| Post# 449268 , Reply# 7 1/16/2022 at 00:54 (825 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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I also found something interesting on a lawsuit about Mr. Rosenfield that might have lead to the untimely demise of this suction sweeper. I believe it relates to this cleaner, I don't think he made any other one/
cite.case.law/f/234/942/... "On the question of an accounting, an interesting situation has arisen. I still remain satisfied that defendant was not a willful in-fringer. I think that Rosenfield conscientiously tried to avoid the Kenney patent. lie evidently saw the commercial possibilities of a small portable machine, which the housewife could operate, and for all practical purposes succeeded in producing a useful commercial article. He waited until the Cummings patent expired, and first put his machine on the market in the early part of 1910. Undoubtedly more was claimed for the Cummings machine by plaintiff’s predecessor than that machine was entitled to, and the fact that Rosenfield thus waited is some evidence of his desire to avoid infringement of an existing patent." ----------- "Throughout this period defendant was showing its machines at public exhibitions, was working in the open, and, in brief, was notoriously carrying on its business. It is plain that for some reason plaintiff concluded not to sue defendant until after the decision on September 30, 1915, in the American Rotary Valve Co. Case. I am inclined to think that plaintiff thought the wise course was to refrain from suit, or threatening suit, until the American Rotary Valve Case was decided; but, whatever may have been the motive, the fact remains that plaintiff stood by from the fall of 1910 until October, 1915, and deliberately acquiesced in the sale of defendant’s machines." | ||
| Post# 449272 , Reply# 8 1/16/2022 at 12:23 (824 days old) by Hoover300 (Kentucky) | ||
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Cool!! Thanks for finding that!
He made 4 versions, the last patent being filed in 1917. The original patent was filed in 1910, but finally granted in 1915 because of the lawsuit? Version 1(note in the pic, originally filed 1910): patents.google.com/patent/US1286... The second version is featured as the "tired old cleaner" in a Premier ad, lol Version 2: https://www.ebay.com/itm/313443416021QUE... patents.google.com/patent/US1348... Version 3: patents.google.com/patent/US1348... Version 4: patents.google.com/patent/US1348... (note the GE universal motor, used in Premier, etc) He also had a hand in "the new Premier", aka the evolved Frantz Premier. It is listed in the archives that the Magic was related to the Electric Vacuum Cleaner Co, so it looks like they were bought out in 1916. patents.google.com/patent/US1348... patents.google.com/patent/US1348... There is a video on YT, MagicElectric | ||
| Post# 449277 , Reply# 9 1/16/2022 at 14:58 (824 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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Yeah I'm not sure what version is being discussed then, you might have to dig around more old legal dockets from the era, legalese is hard to interpret especially from the early 20th century.
But looking at the document it looks like the entire thing started in 1910 when Kenny believed that Rosenfield had infringed on his suction sweeper patent and letters started being mailed back and forth. So I would presume whatever he was working on around 1910. and then for whatever reason Kenny waited until after the Rotary Valve case was resolved to decide that he should sue Rosenfield (5 years). "On November 1, 1910, a letter was sent by plaintiff company to the Rosenfield Manufacturing Company (the original name of defendant company), notifying the latter of its infringement of the patent in suit, and threatening a lawsuit. On November 12, 1910, Mr. Kent, the attorney for the Rosenfield Company, replied, stating, in effect, that he had advised his client that the “suction cleaner manufactured and sold by it does not infringe any of the claims of this patent,” and asking for the numbers and dates of “any other patents owned by the Vacuum Cleaner Company which you think my client is infringing.”" | ||
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