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Post# 444819   8/17/2021 at 18:21 (976 days old) by k15 (Canada)        

I've been curious about this for a long time. I grew up in Canada where central vacs are incredibly common. I'd say most houses built since about 1990 have a central vac installed, and almost all new builds in my area have them. Even my fairly small bungalow "starter" house built in 2010 came with a central vac. From my understanding central vacs in the US are far rarer, even to the point many people have never seen and/or heard of them. Any thoughts on why that is?
Personally a central vac for my house isn't really necessary, but for larger houses, or with 2+ floors, or with more carpet, central vacs are super convenient and super powerful. Strange to me they aren't more common down south. Installed prices aren't actually that much higher than "premium" portable vacuums like Dyson or Miele etc.

I posted a couple pics of mine. The power nozzle does a pretty good job (identical to the canister windtunnel), and the unit has lots of suction/airflow, but if I could choose I'd get a unit with a bypass motor instead of the flow-through motor that mine has. Some more info, though branded Hoover, it was actually made by a company called Canavac.


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Post# 444828 , Reply# 1   8/18/2021 at 06:38 (976 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

There are some collectors on here that collect and even use central vacuums.They use them freestanding-no plumbing in the house for them.Use the utility inlet.Then you have a huge,powerful canister vacuum.I have several in my collection.If there is no utility inlet on the vacuum-make one using the wall inlet and an elbow.

Post# 444829 , Reply# 2   8/18/2021 at 08:15 (975 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I've entertained the thought of Central

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in my house. I looked for a HOOVER unit. I only can see one in Canada OR "pickup' in Arizona.
I don't really need it. I DO have several GUVs, though.



Post# 444838 , Reply# 3   8/18/2021 at 09:35 (975 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Apparently Hoover didn't make very good central vacs. My friend Evan, who specializes in Central Vac sales and installation, trades in every single one on a 'real' central vac like Modern Day's SilentMaster. I've seen the motor Hoover used, the same as their spirit canisters. Small and underpowered. Evan has even used the trade in machines for target practice.

Post# 444840 , Reply# 4   8/18/2021 at 10:42 (975 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
But, Kurt,

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thanks for sharing those pics. Hoover stopped offering those a while back.
It would have been fun , but not really needed.


Post# 444852 , Reply# 5   8/18/2021 at 15:00 (975 days old) by k15 (Canada)        

Yes, central Vacs are interesting since essentially all of them use Ametek-Lamb motors and have done so for decades. The key difference is whether they use a flow through or tangential bypass motor. Cheap centrals use a flow through motor, same style as portable canisters. The vacuumed air goes through the whole motor for cooling.
Tangential bypass motors are better, more robust and have provisions for exhausting outside the house. A separate fan and air path is used for cooling.


Post# 444864 , Reply# 6   8/18/2021 at 21:38 (975 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
I

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Wonder if taking your old vacuum out for target practice today would be called hoovering?


Post# 444865 , Reply# 7   8/18/2021 at 22:01 (975 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
I love central vacuums

I have several central vacuum units, you can check my profile to see what I have. I use them all without pipes, some have an in-let on the unit and for those that don't, just attach a utility valve to the in-take and you have a super duper powerful canister cleaner. I probably use my central vacuum units more than my portables. And the really fun ones are the 240 volt dual motor units, one of them actually swept a guy off his feet while pulling in a hide-a-hose at last year's vacuum convention. Domel also makes really good central vacuum motors, several of the units that I have use Domel motors.
A lot of the central vacuum companies are in Canada. Canavac, Duovac, Drainvac, and Cyclovac. So far I have not had any problems with any of my flow through motor units.


Post# 444866 , Reply# 8   8/19/2021 at 00:19 (975 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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Hang on. Why is the power nozzle marked 12 amp? Does the little brush roll motor really use 12 amps? O_o

Or is that like the actual vacuum that's 12 amp? lol


Post# 444892 , Reply# 9   8/19/2021 at 19:27 (974 days old) by k15 (Canada)        

That 12 amp text on the power nozzle betrays that it's identical to the windtunnel canister power nozzle, to the point they likely came off the exact same production line. Some ended up in boxes with a canister, others ended up in a box with a 30ft central vac hose.

Post# 444908 , Reply# 10   8/20/2021 at 10:58 (973 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I'll admit, it would have been fun to have

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'Hoover" inlets in the walls of this old place. I was told it could be done. Maybe, if I ever can find a "Hoover", we'll see.
We had a cousin who had a central vac in her home, 'non-Hoover'. Another friend has one, too, but never uses it if only, rarely.


Post# 444916 , Reply# 11   8/20/2021 at 19:54 (973 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Your

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Going to find a old hoover central vac and hoover it? I thought you loved hoover and wouldn't use it as target practice...

Post# 445018 , Reply# 12   8/22/2021 at 22:01 (971 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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I would love love love to have a central vac and collect marketing materials for them. Mostly MD stuff. One day I hope to buy a house with one installed, but that's many many years away at this point.

There's a new housing development being built a few blocks from my house and I've seen a few Dirt Devil units installed. But you're right, central vacs seem pretty rare here in the US now. If you look on Zillow, you can add a keyword of central vacuum when looking for houses. In Phoenix at least, I've seen very few. It's split between houses built in the 80s-early 90s, and new million dollar-plus homes built very recently. Not many an average-joe can afford anymore. I'm inclined to believe central vacs were kinda a 1980s phase. My sister has a friend that owns a Nutone, and that family rares use it anyway, since apparently the hose is too bulky.

This newer company Ovo sells a "portable" central vac, which is just a smaller unit with an inlet built in, and doesn't require pipes. Drain-vac used to all their "Atomik", which was the same idea. It had more airflow than the Ovo, alas, it has been discontinued.

My "daily driver" for the past two years has actually been a setup with a Dyson DC-14 in a closet with a 50ft central vac hose attached. The hose reaches every corner of my house, and I have a battery power nozzle to clean carpets. Works fantastic. I've been thinking about making a video of it.


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Post# 445030 , Reply# 13   8/22/2021 at 23:47 (971 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

You can always add a central vacuum to an existing house.Any central vacuum dealer can do it.Or as collectors on here do--use it freestanding.Mine are in the hall and kitchen.

Post# 445151 , Reply# 14   8/25/2021 at 23:26 (968 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
free standing

I have at least one central vacuum unit in every room of my apartment. If you want a central vacuum, you can get any unit you want and use it without pipes. Some units have a utility valve built in and for those that don't, just put a utility valve on the in-take. I have the Drainvac Atomik, it was a nice little unit, kind of a shame that Drainvac discontinued it. Another unit with the hose connection built in is the Vacumaid Garage Vac Pro, I have that unit in my kitchen.
Mike


Post# 445162 , Reply# 15   8/26/2021 at 08:37 (967 days old) by BrianNC (Long Island NY, living in NC)        

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I have a central vacuum and thoroughly enjoy it. It makes cleaning alot easier in my opinion, especially stairs.

Our main floor is all hardwood with some area rugs and upstairs is all carpeting. 3,300 sf home.

We have two attachment packs, one for each floor and that also helps as you don't have to lug the hose and powerhead up/down stairs.

I've always preferred canister vacuums since I could remember so this is really the best of both worlds for me, canister cleaning without the canister behind you.

The power unit is in the garage, the only thing I wish is that it was a bit quieter, even with the muffler it's a bit loud, that's the only downside if I were to find one. I'm sure there are manufacturers that produce quieter units.


Post# 445257 , Reply# 16   8/27/2021 at 23:51 (966 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
Central vacs

Seem to have never been super popular in the US…but moreso exist in bigger higher end homes here. Home builders in the US are greedy and aren’t into equipping the homes with bells and whistles. Track homes are bipuilt to minimal standards with just the most desired appliances such as laundry hookups inside the home and kitchen dishwashers and space for a full size refrigerator. Some builder don’t even include a microwave but have to include a vent hood by code…really only a $100 difference between the cost of a basic hood and an the range microwave hood unit.

Though even in high end homes million dollars and over often don’t have central vacuums.

I’ve found most people who have had central vacs in their house get tired of dragging out and putting away and storing a giant 30 foot hose plus the wands and all the attachments. It’s just an easier task to wheel along a canister vac plugged into an outlet with a 25 foot cord as dragging around a clumsy 30 foot weighty hose that can be quite cumbersome to carry from one part of the home to another. Then having to deal with the possibility that the hose may not reach every corner of the house one needs to use a vacuum at regularly as often central vac system outlets are poorly planned with not enough connection points in the house.

Jon


Post# 445258 , Reply# 17   8/28/2021 at 00:15 (966 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
Also

Historically in the US…the Electrolux became a big hit when Gustafson Salin brought the machine here to the US to New York City in 1924… uprights came along next with the brush roll system and gained popularity among people with a lot of rugs in their homes. Once wall to wall carpet started becoming the rage, vacuum makers such as Electrolux were forced to make power nozzles to allow thorough rug and carpet cleaning to compete with uprights. Central vacs in the US were about the last to be equipped with power nozzles as central vacs were not developed with electrics for power nozzles and so they were equipped with turbo air driven nozzles and those were…and most still are…very poor in comparison with an electric power nozzle. Hence with the American consumer wanting wall to wall carpeting as mainstream, it was known that a central vac was basically useless for carpeting.

One of my neighbors growing up had a central vac in the house built in the early 70s…she had wall to wall carpet except in the kitchen baths and foyer which is where she used the central vac and had a Hoover upright for all the carpeting. In the late 80s she wanted a new vacuum and ended up getting g a Hoover canister and that was the end of her using the central vac…she said she threw out the central vac hose and attachments and the Hoover upright in favor of the one new canister which she could use to clean everything anywhere in her home.

My Sister ran into the same issue…moved into a house with a central vac and it had white wall to wall plush carpet in all 5 bedrooms and an upstairs game room and staircase. As well as in an office/library and hallways. The central vac was straight suction only. She ended up getting a decent power nozzle Hoover canister vac for the whole house and only used the central vac for daily cleanups of the large kitchen as the hose was kept in the kitchen adjacent laundry room. She was able to upgrade the central vac system using an Aerus/electrolux hose and power nozzle as she had electric outlets nearby the suction ports and could plug the pigtail hose wire into those nearby electric outlets.

Jon


Post# 445277 , Reply# 18   8/28/2021 at 14:19 (965 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
quiet central vacuum

Drainvac makes some of the quietest central vacuums. You can literally hold a normal conversation while you are in the same room. I'll link to their most powerful single motor unit, actually this is probably the most powerful single motor unit that is available.
At one time wall to wall carpet was a big thing, but you're seeing hard floors become the big thing now. My apartment is all hard floors and I would not change that.
Mike


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Post# 445876 , Reply# 19   9/10/2021 at 16:30 (952 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I love central vacs, they're my most favorite type of vacuum to use ever! I wouldn't want to ever live in a house without one:) Interesting though, I heard from someone that Canada has a requirement to put in a central vacuum in newly constructed homes according to the Canadian health code.

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Post# 445896 , Reply# 20   9/11/2021 at 06:37 (952 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        
Almost everyone has "heard" of them...

I've never met a person (at least those I've discussed vacuums with) that did not know they existed. Most Americans probably think like me. The payoff of central vac systems just isn't worth it. I'm just turned off by the maneuverability issues of having to fumble with (and store) those long hoses. Emptying the huge tank also seems like a chore. I've never been interested in centrals and never will be.

However, now that carpet has outstripped hard flooring for the past several and becomes again fashionable, more people might give them a try.


Post# 445897 , Reply# 21   9/11/2021 at 06:47 (952 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

DO NOT get a bagless central vacuum-dumping the 6-8 gallons of dirt and dust is a chore-then the indignity od cleaning the filter-or replacing it.Get a BAGGED central vacuum-nasty problems solved.You only have to replace the bag once or twice a year!

Post# 446030 , Reply# 22   9/14/2021 at 19:46 (948 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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Hi Rex, while a bagged unit has it's advantages over a bagless unit. However though, they also have their drawbacks too. For example, you do have to buy replacement bags which some are not cheap to get.

Post# 446032 , Reply# 23   9/14/2021 at 20:02 (948 days old) by tekjunkie28 (Western Va)        

OUCH! A bagless central vac? How is that even a good idea? Dumping a bagless upright is bad enough. I always dumped them outside before I got decent bagged machines.

Post# 446039 , Reply# 24   9/15/2021 at 00:18 (948 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Bag cost for central vacuums-you only have to replace the bag only twice a year at best.Not that expensive and WORTH IT not having to deal with several gallons of dirt and dust!!!And also not having to clean or replace filters-those can cost as much or even more than the bag!

Post# 446043 , Reply# 25   9/15/2021 at 02:54 (948 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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Actually you could buy these two generic washable filters which are totally inexpensible and last for quite a while. Better than the blue genuine washable filter through my experience. And Aerus offers bag liners for the Centralux if you rather not dump out the canister.

www.amazon.com/Central-Va...


Post# 446089 , Reply# 26   9/15/2021 at 18:36 (947 days old) by Adam-aussie-vac ( Canberra, Australia )        
I know that at the moment there appears to be a turf war

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On bagless vs bagged, I would like to bring something to the table, what about those water filtration bagless vacuums with the only thing you have to empty is something similar to a sieve or colander?

Post# 446092 , Reply# 27   9/15/2021 at 19:34 (947 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
water vacuums

Water vacs are not bad, you can dump them without making a dust mess all over everything, but you still have to wash out the basin but that's pretty easy. That's the only kind of bagless vacuum I would use, other than that, whether it's a central or portable vacuum, bagged all the way.
Mike


Post# 446095 , Reply# 28   9/15/2021 at 21:31 (947 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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There are central vacs that uses water as their filtration. And instead of just filling and dumping the water out, it fills and flushes by itself such as Aqua-Air for example.

www.aquaair-wetdry.com/...


Post# 446100 , Reply# 29   9/15/2021 at 23:07 (947 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Holy

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Shiz. $6000 for a water based vacuum.
Wet dirt can't fly but the dust has to be sucked through the hose and through the entire pie to the vacuum motor unit before the dirt gets wet so it can't fly.
I wouldn't pay a premium of 4 times a TOL installed VM.


Post# 446138 , Reply# 30   9/17/2021 at 06:25 (946 days old) by centralvacs1928 (Chicagoland)        
Central vs. Portable...

As a vacuum retailer, it's best for me to sell whatever I think the client will be happiest with. This is the "ice cream" mentality -- we have all these flavors to choose from, which one would you prefer?

However, a person buying a vacuum cleaner is trying to get a job done. The cleaner is a tool, and our expertise comes into play in helping them select the "best tool for the job" even if it might not be the one they were interested in at first.

My interest in vacuums as a collector always focused on portables, mostly uprights. Central vacuums were only a curiosity. I still have a collection of dozens of uprights and canisters, and always a shop full of others for sale or repair.

Only in my late teens or early twenties (when I began to view vacuuming as a task performed to accomplish a goal, instead of just running my machines for fun) did I start to appreciate the benefit of a built-in vacuum system. After wanting one for several years I installed it in my parents' house as a teenager, and it quickly became my favorite type of cleaner to use.

Since then I have lived in several different homes, and my initial attempts to "make do" with a high-quality premium portable vacuum cleaner have always resulted in retrofitting another built-in system to the house.

These days, the only thing I ever use to actually clean house with is my central vacuum system. Over the years I have become more and more turned off by the idea of using a portable vacuum and still having the dirt (and the exhaust!) right there beside you. Not to mention the noise! Vacuums have gotten quieter, for sure, but nothing beats not being able to hear the motor at all. Combine that with the versatility of being able to clean debris from the workshop, cars, garage, etc and have it all go down to the big machine down in the utility room, only needing to be emptied once or twice a year. It's a wonderful thing for me.

Certainly the hose is the most consistent objection to the use of a central vacuum system. Many older hoses (the wire-reinforced type, especially with electrical wires inside) I have found quite clumsy and unpleasant to get out and put away. I can understand why someone would be turned off. However, even those heavier old style hoses in my testing weigh 12 pounds or less. Modern central vac hoses (all 30-35 feet of them!) come in closer to 8 pounds -- the weight of the lightest uprights when empty. The entire hose is only being handled before and after the cleaning job is done, unlike a portable where you are pushing and pulling the machine the whole time.

Today's buyers have the option of hoses that retract into and store within the piping (Chameleon and Hide-A-Hose). This is not only very convenient, and eliminates ever having to pick up and store the hose manually, it's also a super cool way to make your friends jealous of your house.

There's a divide between people (like myself) who find the central system much easier and more convenient (not to mention more powerful and hygienic) than a portable vacuum, and those who just find it pointless and cumbersome. Do some "get it" and others just don't? Or is it a chocolate/vanilla ice cream question?

One thing that makes a big difference is the particular system a person was exposed to. Did it have "suck the paint off the walls" power like it should/could have? Or was it weak and anemic as a result of being undersized or poorly maintained? Were the inlets in efficient, thoughtful locations to reach the entire house, or just where the installer could get them? Was the hose and tool set appropriate for the surfaces in the home? Had the installer mounted a hose hanger, or was the hose being stored in a tangled mess on the closet floor? Being able to pick up the hose in a neat coil of 4 or 5 loops, as opposed to gathering it like a pile of laundry, makes a huge difference.

Sadly with a niche product (moreso in the USA than Canada) an experience with a poorly executed system will often taint the perception of the entire concept. You can easily see how a person moving into a house might try their system out for the first time, find it unsatisfactory for some reason, and simply go back to their portable vacuum instead of looking more closely at what might be causing their poor experience. It's very rewarding for me to meet someone who was turned off of central vac systems, and show them how wonderful the right one can be for them and their home.

To me, if I'm going to make the effort to plug something in and move it back and forth, I'd really prefer the equipment to be transporting the dust and exhaust far away, instead of simply collecting it in the room I'm cleaning. For that reason alone a built-in vacuum system I feel will always be inherently superior to a portable.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk .


Post# 446139 , Reply# 31   9/17/2021 at 06:46 (946 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

One thing I tried that was fun and interesting-made up a hose to go from my Kirby Avalir2 to the intake hose of my MD Silentmaster central vacuum.Was fun hearing things clicking in the Kirby fan the rattling thru the hose!Had to run each off a separate 15A circuit.Was cumbersome-but novel and interesting.Guess the Kirby was the most powerful "powernozzle" I have used!

Post# 446259 , Reply# 32   9/19/2021 at 22:33 (943 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
I guess I walk the fine line

I love central vacuums, they are my favorite type of vacuum, canister cleaners are close behind. I live in an apartment so I use all of my central vacuums without pipes, I attach a hose directly to them, so I get all of the power benefits of a central vacuum. The advantages that I don't gain are that I still hear the sound of the central vacuum and the exhaust goes in to whatever room of the apartment the unit is in, I have units in every room. I don't consider these to be big disadvantages. Many central vacuum units are not that loud and for those that are, you can simply wear ear protection in those cases, I only need to do that with two of my units. If the filtration is decent, the exhaust should be clean, I've never had an issue with that. At first I thought I could only get units that had a utility valve built in but once I discovered that you can simply add a utility valve to the in-take on any unit, I really started to expand my collection. The other thing I can't do is vent any of my units outside, but again, if the unit's filtration is good, there is no reason to vent outside and you really don't gain any advantage by doing that.
Mike


Post# 446285 , Reply# 33   9/20/2021 at 14:10 (942 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county)        

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I find myself using my central vacuum more than I ever thought I would. My house is very “wired” for one. The two handiest things are the Wally flex in the laundry room and the VRoom in the kitchen under the sink. I firmly believe in the true seal HEPA bags from modern day. Mine was changed several days ago and I believe it weighed more than 30 pounds. The Chamaeleon has got to be the greatest thing ever invented.

Post# 446307 , Reply# 34   9/21/2021 at 00:37 (942 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I use the Tru-Seal HEPA bags in my MD Silentmaster machine-the bag in mine is getting due!


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