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Post# 442312   5/28/2021 at 02:20 by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Feel like I should start posting vacuum stuff rather than political stuff lol.

I've started falling out of favour with Sebo. My family have been using them for 30 years, but since using some other vacuums (started off my trying out a friends V11) I've realised that Sebo have some silly design and ergonomic issue which they just refuse to address. Bringing out a new pastel colour isn't a "new model" and the last truly all-new Sebo came out in 2006.

They need to move with the times, or the times will move without them. Miele have done it. Bosch have done it, even Vorwerk have.

Ive spoken to some other Sebo enthusiasts, including collectors and sellers, and they all say similar.

So, I've suddenly gone from having a house using Sebo's, to now having 4 Dyson (still have the Sebo's) I bought a Small Ball 2 for £200 brand new of course, picked up a free Small Ball Multifloor on Facebook marketplace, and a V7, and a V10, both with all the attachments including the fluffy for less than £100.

Never really tried to strip down Dyson, but thankfully the internet is full of tutorials. Im pleasantly surprised at their build quality, its clear a lot of time was spent engineering them and I can't really see why the hate surrounding them is substantiated at all.

I replaced the brushroll and battery on the V8 and it now works like a charm. The Multi-floor has hardly been used. The guy wanted to get rid of it ASAP as he was moving, and the V10 has had nothing replaced, only a strip down and clean.

Now time to sell some of these one, but I defiantly keeping the V10 to supplement my Small Ball 2.

Incidentally, it seems there is a difference between the corded uprights in the UK and US; the US models still use the old design floor-head with a 1 inch belt drive creating a horrible blind spot. The UK version has an updated and much improved head design with a very beefy brush roll and sliding gates, not too dissimilar to the V11 design.

The UK models are also ridiculously quite, something like 40% quieter than the DC41's. Its quieter than any Sebo I have.

I feel like Dyson have finally nailed it, but I have no doubt the newer V11 and now V15 models are greater improvements over the V7 and V10.

It's also apparent that Dyson's hold their value, so if you are that desperate to get the latest and greatest Dyson, like a teenager wants the latest iPhone, you'll have no problem selling them after a few years regardless or condition, and still get a decent return on them.

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Post# 442345 , Reply# 1   5/28/2021 at 20:21 by beagledad (Florida)        

To each their own and as long as you're happy that's all that matters. But personally I see a huge difference in quality between Dyson and Sebo. The Sebo will probably give 30 years of service properly maintained. I wouldn't wager a fraction of that for the Dyson. And I think bagless is unhygienic so the Sebo is much more sanitary in my opinion too. It's a design that works well.

Post# 442356 , Reply# 2   5/29/2021 at 01:20 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

SEBO for Me,too!HATE Dysons!!!!!

Post# 442367 , Reply# 3   5/29/2021 at 14:20 by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Well, like I said; I come from a family of Sebo users. Pretty much as soon as they landed in the U.K., but if insiders at Sebo and rumour mills prove to be true, they arenít doing as well as youíd imagine. Their focus seems to be off moving with the times. Seems they are trading on their reliability and quality, but many canít and wonít put up with their shortfalls and design quirks, some of which are dangerous. Especially on the X7.

A vacuum costing £350 with no full hose stair reach or proper hard floor setting to turn off the brush-roll isnít acceptable.

I have 4 X series models. They were impressive for their time but you need to understand that a majority of people do not have wall to wall carpets and do not make vacuuming their house a chore in itself but rather something they do intermittently.

Post# 442370 , Reply# 4   5/29/2021 at 16:38 by compuvac (Kekistan)        

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The reason why the X series doesn't have a brushroll shutoff button is because there is only 1 motor for the air to move and to drive the brushroller. You have to keep in mind it's design dates back to 1991 and was revolutionary for its time.

Either way you can use it on non-delicate hard floors because it has a squeegee.

People shouldn't be buying the X series if they don't have wall to wall carpet anyway. The Felix/Dart and Sebo canisters exist for a reason.

Post# 442375 , Reply# 5   5/29/2021 at 18:18 by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Itís blind brand loyalty from consumers doing the PR for them which is why companies do not innovate.

I have a felix, and an E3 premium with the ET1 power head. The felix is top heavy and is like pushing around a storage heater, and the handle is notoriously fragile. Itís also susceptible to loss of suction as the bag fills and itís very difficult to remove it once it is full.

It came out in 2006. It should have had these issues sorted. You said yourself the X series design dates back 30 years.

Itís okay for brands including Sebo to produce new models providing they are better than the old ones. Great for their time but they are showing their age.

Unfortunately, the head of SEBO U.K. thinks the company is doing well because of how many Instagram followers they have, and thatís only because they keep giving them away in competitions.

Post# 442388 , Reply# 6   5/30/2021 at 00:40 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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If it ain't broke, why bother replacing the design? That's what I like better about Sebo than Dyson. Personally, I don't find the newer Dysons ANY better than the older ones. And the new Sebo X7/X8 I think is even better than either the X4/X5 or the X1/X2.

Post# 442391 , Reply# 7   5/30/2021 at 03:34 by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Iíve literally just paragraphed issues with the current lineup of Sebo models ÖÖ.

Post# 442392 , Reply# 8   5/30/2021 at 05:29 by compuvac (Kekistan)        

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Ironic that you say brand loyalty on a dyson thread.

Post# 442393 , Reply# 9   5/30/2021 at 09:18 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
Sebo for me, all the way

I have a Sebo D1 canister and a Sebo felix, both excellent cleaners. I would never own a Dyson for a few reasons. First, they are bagless, bagless cleaners, other than the water based ones are a mess to empty. Second, all of the new Dysons are cordless, they are not as powerful as a corded cleaner. While Sebo has a market with residental users, remember that their primary design is for commercial use. Their machines are well made and clean well, why change the design if it works. The Felix is one of the best, if not the best upright cleaners you can get. But if you like your Dyson cleaners than by all means, use them. I have no cordless or bagless non-water based vacs in my collection and I plan on keeping it that way.

Post# 442402 , Reply# 10   5/30/2021 at 16:49 by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I have no doubt Sebo still make a solid product. They were genuinely innovative in the 90s and 2000s.

But if you havenít noticed, they are starting to lose accreditation. They now have no more Which Best Buys or Good Housekeeping Institutes, or British Allergy foundation certificates. I understand that none of that should be the sole reason why one product is better over the other, but itís clear the times are changing and the company isnít keeping up, it only goes to solidify my point.

Dyson have very clearly caught up/ succeeded in terms of performance, as have Shark and others. Im not going to suggest those brands have the absolute solidity and durability of Sebo but those brands arenít commercial models either, and Sebo now sell products more expensive than what Dyson and Shark can offer spec vs spec. Thatís the difference and I think thatís why a lot more brand loyalists of Sebo, including myself, are falling out of favour with the brand.

I do hope Sebo pull out a hat trick. Something cordless, or even an X series with a dedicated brush roll motor and proper stair cleaning hose with some decent attachments as standard.

Non of my German friends have heard of Sebo, let alone use one. They nearly all use Dyson or Miele, and German testing houses are giving credits rooms to both of those brands itís willingly; the same institutes that dished then out to Sebo years ago.

Itíll be interesting to see what happens.

Post# 442403 , Reply# 11   5/30/2021 at 17:22 by Mieles5380leo (Virginia)        

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Seboís will definitely outlast Dysonís but Seboís are not that interesting like Dysons can be. Grant it Dysons are nightmares to work on but if you have grown up with sebos in your family for 30 years, youíre probably bored of them and I understand that. My parents have had a Simplicity Synergy for the past 14 years and I always found it boring and wished they had gotten a Dyson DC25 but I know now that the DC25, while very cool and futuristic, logically wouldnít have been a good choice for us and probably wouldnít have lasted or cleaned as well as the Simplicity. For a collector Dysons can be cool but for the standard household user that doesnít care about vacuums and just views them as a tool used for chores, a Sebo will always be better.

Post# 442404 , Reply# 12   5/30/2021 at 17:34 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I honestly have a hard time believing that Sebo would be trailing behind, at least here in America since I've sold Sebo from some dealers. Sebo or Karcher I should say, their main objective is to sell vacuums for commercial applications as what Mike said above. Karcher's profit for home usage is not a whole lot compare to their commercial division. They really don't have to stay in the residential market, I think they would still be fine without it. But there are still people today that buy them for their homes. Sure there are some people that wants newly designing products but there are also some that still want old school products. That's what Speed Queen did a couple years ago when not everyone were satisfied with their newly designed top load washers after they got rid of their old ones, they reintroduced a old school top load washer that's works just like they used to be.

Post# 442405 , Reply# 13   5/30/2021 at 18:20 by compuvac (Kekistan)        

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"Something cordless"
Btw if you want a good cordless upright check out the Lindhaus Karisma

Post# 442406 , Reply# 14   5/30/2021 at 19:08 by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
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Well this went off course.....

Anyways I've owned a variety of Dysons and While i'm not terribly fond of the build quality on the newest models They've clearly done some work to improve their products The previous DC-65 had airflow in the lower 50s at the nozzle and the Ball Animal 2 I tested at like 74 CFM that's quite the improvement! Gotta give them some credit there.

I also think if you MUST have a bagless vacuum they're one of the better ones you can get, but I also think with Dyson you're paying for the name, kind of like apple products they may not do anything that unique but their cost is partially due to the "prestige" of the brand.

Post# 442419 , Reply# 15   5/31/2021 at 08:53 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
sebo and karcher

Are those the same company? I know Sebo was started in 1978 but did those companies merge?

Post# 442421 , Reply# 16   5/31/2021 at 09:18 by compuvac (Kekistan)        

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Sebo signed a agreement with Windsor to supply vacuums to the US.
Windsor is owned by Karcher which is why sometimes Sebos are sold under Karcher or Windsor.

Sebo has no relation to Karcher/Windsor in terms of ownership.

Post# 442450 , Reply# 17   5/31/2021 at 14:20 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
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No, Sebo actually manufactures and privately labels for Karcher. They're not the same company. I apologies that I made my other post sound misleading. Again when Sebo was making vacuums for Karcher in the US, they were really indented to be for commercial use. But Sebo would later realize that their commercial vacuums would also be an excellent choice for residential use as well. So instead of selling residential models under Karcher or their other brands, Sebo would then take over for the residential market. And again, Karcher's vacuum line in the home division doesn't have as much of a profit as their commercial line. They actually don't have a whole lot of selection of vacuums to choose out of compare to their commercial models. Like I said before, Karcher doesn't have to continue selling vacuums for their home division but consumers still buy their home products and why would they just abandon it if there's still a market for it? Anyways, I really don't think that Sebo is struggling in the home market. At least in America. As a matter of fact, some dealers I worked for that used to carry Sebo before have started selling them again. And a couple dealers that I know of had also started carrying Sebo. So as far as I'm aware of, Sebo I think is still doing well in the US.

Post# 442460 , Reply# 18   5/31/2021 at 19:53 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
Sebo and Windsor

I think Sebo is one of the best, if not the best cleaners you can get. They are well made and built to last. I don't think Sebo is concerned about being flashy or high tech, or even how their vacuums look. Their goal is to make a reliable vacuum that cleans well and they have done that.
One of my backpack vacuums is the Windsor, I think there is a Karcher version as well, it's a nice backpack cleaner if you like that kind of vacuum. I think Karcher also makes wet dry vacs.

Post# 442468 , Reply# 19   6/1/2021 at 01:11 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I agree with you. One thing that Sebo has which Dyson definitely doesn't offer are central vac power nozzles. And if you combine it with a powerful power unit say DrainVac for example, it would out clean any Dyson that's out there.

Post# 442469 , Reply# 20   6/1/2021 at 06:58 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have the Sebo powernozzle and wand set for central vacuums-all my central vacuums use bags-MUCH better than ANY Dyson and cleaner,easier to empty!!!!Sort of funny Sebo didn't make central vacuums!

Post# 442494 , Reply# 21   6/2/2021 at 05:57 by blakaeg (NW London, UK)        

Each to their own. I want quality and that is where I would go for a SEBO Felix, not a fragile Dyson.

I completely disagree about your comment on the handle being fragile on the Felix, it is not fragile at all. Stand on a Felix and then on the Dyson and see which one will crack first!! It would not be the SEBO that's for certain.

SEBO Germany is a separate company from the UK business and it is SEBO Germany that needs to diversify its product portfolio to include a cordless line up, but they should not change the existing type of machines as these work just fine. Regarding the brush shut off - why don't you ask Dyson why they don't allow the customer to shut off the brush on their entire cordless lineup?? Not every model comes with a Fluffy head, so surely, Dyson should allow the user to switch off the brush, the carbon fibre brush strip could just be a static design to help pick up on hard floors.

Dysons are just like Iphones, not built to stand and the company has built in obsolescence in all of their machines. They stop providing spare parts and support. Look on their website to see all the models that are not even that old that one cannot even get a part for - forcing them to 'upgrade' to Dysons latest model. Its all about upgrading to the 'latest technology' with Dyson.

SEBO still support machines that are 30 years old.

Post# 442523 , Reply# 22   6/3/2021 at 01:37 by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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The comparison with Apple is a poor one. Apple are known for supporting their products the longest out of Samsung and others. What phone manufacturer is better or historically has been? Even the old Nokia's didn't last nay longer than the newest Apple products, and phones in the early 2000ís were seldom used compared to today where people canít put the things down for 5 minutes.

Apple's get nearly as much revenue now form service subscription then device hardware sales, so its actually in their interest their products last and are supporter for as long as possible. They encourage the atfersale of devices, and Apple products hold their value the best among smartphones, by quite a long way.

Also, you can still buy some DC01 parts from the Dyson website. That is product support.

The Felix handle; I have had a Felix since 2013, and the handle is poor not just in its loop-less design and fragile switch, but the mechanism is only held in with a plastic tab. No one is going to stand on the handle are they; that's total nonsense. Mine has become very loose over the years and they aren't easily replaced.

Its very clear that Sebo make a good vacuum for people who like vacuuming and spend time out fo their days doing so, but my original point was more tiers mass-market attraction and how people these days want to do more spot cleaning, and want something light-weight that's easy and convenient. If they trade some negligible power for it, they will do it.

You guys can carry on defending Sebo, like Blackberry fans defended that brand until they went into the babies. Its okay to/beneficial to critique a brand of its shortfalls sot hey can be addressed. Its not down to the consumer to do the promotion and bidding for these companies.

Ive spent a long time detesting Dyson and thinking their products were overpriced poorly made products, but I never actually properly owned and used one day to day. Either their products have massively improved in a short period of time, or it was the heard mentality of someone online saying "my friend had a Dyson and it was bad, don't get one".

Post# 442564 , Reply# 23   6/4/2021 at 00:44 by beagledad (Florida)        

Dyson is better at marketing than building vacuums. They don't have to build a quality product. They just have to convince the masses they need the newest gimmick. And Dyson does that very well. They release new models every year or so and everyone runs out and buys it. I still have an iPhone 8. I'm not susceptible to the latest and greatest mind games that so many fall prey to. I have a Miele Marin and MD central vacuum. The Dyson is no match for either in terms of performance and longevity. The central vac will live for 30-40 years. Dyson will have produced millions of disposable products clogging up the landfills in that amount of time. Not to mention those toxic batteries. Dyson is not an eco-friendly product at all.

Post# 442568 , Reply# 24   6/4/2021 at 05:00 by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I recently got to try a friends Small Ball 2 Allergy and was impressed by the performance, ease of use and how quiet the machine was. It did feel flimsy compared with my Miele and Sebo at home and also against the Shark uprights but it did clean well and for £199, I thought it was good value.

I'm really not a fan of cordless vacuums, especially not as a replacement for a mains powered cleaner. Dyson cordless in particular are insanely expensive - in some cases almost double the price of a Sebo. Whilst I'm sure the performance is acceptable, I would strongly object to paying that amount of money for something that has an inevitably short lifespan. Dyson can improve the design all they like, but the cold hard fact is that batteries deteriorate and will never be able to lost as long as a well maintained, corded cleaner. Even by Dyson standards, when you consider there are still people using DCO1's and DC04's from 20+ years ago, their cordless machines will never be able to live up to that lifespan. So I think they're a complete rip off.

Post# 442576 , Reply# 25   6/4/2021 at 10:24 by compuvac (Kekistan)        

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I've heard a lot of people say that dysons destroy carpet which is probably why the CRI doesn't certify them. They don't certify Shark either.

@beagledad That's very true.

It applies to other things as well. People pay ridiculous prices because they're brainwashed into liking it.


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Post# 442579 , Reply# 26   6/4/2021 at 11:49 by huskyvacs (Indiana)        

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Dysons do destroy carpet. They have no agitation or beater bars so they make the brushrolls super stiff to compensate for that fact. Go rub your hand on some of their brushrolls, its like sandpaper.

So you have rock hard bristles, rotating at extremely high RPM, being mashed into your carpeting. Elementary school science lesson. What does this generate? Friction! What does friction generate? Heat! Combine heat plus thin nylon fibers.......? Yep, you got it, bye bye carpet. Each time you go over a carpet with a Dyson it's like you're giving your carpet a hot peel wax. Stripping layers off the carpet each time.

If you do a lot of carpet cleaning in rental homes, you can always tell which people used a Dyson - the carpet looks like an entire football team did practice on it.

Ironically the Amway Cleartrak, which copied from Dyson, does not harm carpet and does a better cleaning job than Dyson. Go figure.

Post# 442593 , Reply# 27   6/4/2021 at 15:23 by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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Listen to what you just said;

"dysons destroy carpets"

Nearly 13 million homes in the UK have a Dyson. If they destroyed carpets, why haven't we heard of any lawsuits of carpets ruined due to people using them?

Would they continue to have repeat business purely because of how they market their products? No. The brand has been going for 30 years now and like it or not, they generally have and always have had a very good reputation and more or less have a cult following. Impressive for a vacuum brand really.

We are lucky enough to live in a free-market economy. Good products sell. Bad products don't. Its really as simple as that.

Your truths are totally subjective and are more based on your opinions, unless you can convince me that those 13 million Brits have it completely wrong.

US customers? Dyson overtook Hoover in 2005 and for nearly 16 years, they have had the largest marketshare of any vacuum brand in the US. For 16 years.

With all of this, would they continue to have this success if their products were so dreadfully fragile and poor performing, or do they actually address market demands?

Genuine questions here.

Post# 442612 , Reply# 28   6/4/2021 at 21:32 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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@compuvac, actually there was a time when Shark made it to CRI's certified list. They're not on there anymore since those models have since been discontinued. Haven't seen anymore of them since then. It's possible that Shark just no longer wanted to pay to send their models over to the CRI since it is a voluntary program. Not like Consumer Reports where they would buy all of the products to review.

@oliveoiltinfoil, I do agree with huskyvacs here. Both of the Dysons that I had in my house before picked up more fiber than picking up dust off of my carpets. And there are carpet brands here in the US that would void the carpet warranty if you use a Dyson on them. Just because Dyson has high reputations doesn't really mean that they're one of the best out there. And I've used alot of Dysons, they've never impressed me. Personally, I'd rather have something that no one else in my neighborhood would have. Something where they would spend all of their money on the product and not half on advertising like Dyson. And something where you'd basically get what you pay for. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Shark outsells Dyson in the US for the next coming years. Dyson is no longer developing their corded models which in my opinion is a business mistake. And Dyson doesn't even support their oldest model here anymore.

Post# 442621 , Reply# 29   6/4/2021 at 22:40 by huskyvacs (Indiana)        

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Sorry I'm not a brand loyalist for stuff that is all money and no function so I won't get into your narrow minded bait argument because you have nothing better to do with your time other than to try and fail to convince people that Dyson and iPhones are superior. Just stating the facts. Take it or leave it. This is not Facebook - I don't have to prove anything to you.

Post# 442633 , Reply# 30   6/5/2021 at 08:16 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
Dyson's popularity

I think many people here in the United States have not heard of brands such as Sebo or Miele. When I have mentioned Sebo to friends and family, not a single person had ever heard of them, but everyone has heard of Dyson. I think one reason that Dyson and Shark sell so well is that many people don't know there are other choices. I also think that Dyson stopping development of corded vacuums is a big mistake. A cordless vacuum is not and may never be as powerful as a corded cleaner, and whenever you use a cordless cleaner you are on a time constraint to complete the cleaning job before the battery dies.

Post# 442638 , Reply# 31   6/5/2021 at 10:53 by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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@huskyvacs I can sum up this thread in one sentenceÖ.ĒI used to dislike Dysonís but now I donít and Iím going to argue with anyone who says Iím wrong, even though I think I was wrong before when I disliked themĒ

Sound familiar? 🙄

For me, Dyson have never quite got it right. I like the sturdier models like the DC04 and DC14 as they feel quite robust, but the performance never seemed up to much on those earlier models. From the DC40 onwards, I liked the performance but the build quality seemed to decline. As for the cordless models, I find them way too over priced for a product that has an inevitability short lifespan. Batteries will always decline.

Post# 442660 , Reply# 32   6/6/2021 at 04:58 by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Without taking sides because I know both brands have their strong points and weaknesses -

I've had more Sebo machines that I've owned from new develop faults and need warranty work than I have Dyson vacuums recently. All mechanical issues relating to the drive belt system with cogs and bearing blocks failing etc.

There are also a few members in one of the UK Facebook groups having quality issues with Sebo machines & multiple warranty repairs on major internal components - so they aren't as bullet proof and fail safe as some of you make out. Especially the newer machines where quality has been cut to some degree.

I'm not bashing Sebo. I agree an X7 would likely stand up to abuse better than a Dyson.

However our house is currently a Dyson house.

We have (all UK models) an upright Ball Animal 2, a cylinder Big Ball Multifloor 2 and a V15 Detect Absolute.

The V15 is the most used machine with the two corded models rarely being used now.

The latest cordless really does perform as well as a mains powered machine. And that includes the likes of Sebo IMHO. It is also much more convenient to use and much more versatile.

Yes the cordless machines are very expensive and will have a limited lifespan..... but the cost isn't really an issue to some people.

In terms of battery lifespan overall, a lot of people (normal consumers) buy the cordless Dyson machines and run them on the MAX setting constantly, something which Dyson now advise against and something which puts a lot of stress on the battery and degrades it much faster. I have a friend who bought a bottom of the range V6 years ago (at least 5 years), uses it daily as her main vacuum and has so far suffered no battery issues. So if looked after and used correctly they can last a couple of years. By which point most people are happy to upgrade to the latest model. The V15 is lightyears ahead of her V6 in terms of performance and I know should her V6 die she'd be over the moon with the upgrade in performance of a new Dyson cordless.

You can't really compare the two brands I don't feel. Both have some very good strong points and some very strong weaknesses.

Post# 442684 , Reply# 33   6/7/2021 at 01:21 by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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To be honest, I could just as easily switch is round and say "anyone who likes Dyson ro gives them credit, I will bash them"

We are all going to say what we can to fit our agenda. People generally choose what they read and listen to.

I have made it apparent several times now, without sounding like a broken record, that I like Sebo, have used them pretty much my entire life and continue to do so. My entire point regarding this thread if you bothered to read any of it was;

- Dyson's are no where near as bad as some on here would claim
- They do seem to have improved a lot in recent years
- its okay to be critical of companies which have had somewhat of a loyal following. Brand loyalty exists with many people, and that's okay

@ matt8808

Pretty much agree with everything here. A local cleaning supply company who's MD Im friendly with, told me of these similar experiences, since with the X7. It steams from poor quality control rather than design choices made, but either way, Sebo do seem incredibly slow to adapt and fix issues like this, maybe because of their loyal following, but the mass market wouldn't put up with some of these issues that are apparent these days.

Biggest issue Dyson face are current battery limitations, which hamper their reliability record. The machines themselves are pretty bulletproof.

Probably explains why all Dyson cordless machines now have user-swappable batteries. Something they should have implemented from the start really, but progress is progress.

Post# 442686 , Reply# 34   6/7/2021 at 03:50 by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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But Iím not bashing anyone who likes Dyson? Infact Iíve already said, I quite like the latest mains powered model. So that doesnít really work, does it?

Youíve basically admitted that you didnít like Dyson, but now you do, and have jumped down the throats of anybody who disagrees with you, even though you didnít like them before and had valid reasons not to like them. Which begs the question, do you want to actually have a discussion about this or do you just expect everybody to suddenly start feeling the same way as you do, even though you have admittedly changed your mind quite recently?

I completely agree that no product or company, however brand loyal one may be, should not escape criticism. Sebo still make excellent machines but their latest batches have had issues. A friend who works for a Euronics shop sent me a photo of the red exclusive model and the whole batch had wonky lettering and lettering missing on the cleaner head. We all love our vintage Hoover and Electrolux machines but it doesnít mean every model both companies ever made were good.

I also agree that Dyson have improved. I always like the DC04 but felt that Dyson sort of lost it after that, especially with the ball ranges. The first one I really thought was a good cleaner for years was the DC40, it seems Dyson have taken all the good points of that model and improved upon it for the current Small Ball upright. Iíd gladly have one of those as a daily driver.

Post# 442708 , Reply# 35   6/7/2021 at 18:06 by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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