Thread Number: 41302  /  Tag: Pre-1950 Vacuum Cleaners
Kirby 505 or 2C? Kirby Frankenstein.
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Post# 437996   1/30/2021 at 16:50 (1,180 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)        

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This is the Kirby 505 motor I just completed with a 2C nozzle, belt cap, handle, and emptor. nice old Kirby Frankenstein that fit together nicely.

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Post# 438000 , Reply# 1   1/30/2021 at 18:37 (1,180 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Jim,

The 2C was the first Kirby to have the streamlined nozzle and headlight cap, but was also the last to have the smaller Emtor as well as the design for the top part of the handle and the painted handle tube.

~Ben


Post# 438016 , Reply# 2   1/31/2021 at 09:43 (1,179 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)        

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Yep the 2C was the first to have that classic Kirby 500 series look with the new styling of the nozzle. That continued until 1970, when they came out with the Kirby classic, which I never cared for.

Post# 438050 , Reply# 3   2/1/2021 at 09:48 (1,178 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)        
A few changes

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I went ahead and painted the wheel washers red, and also replaced the rear 505 wheels with the narrower Kirby 2C wheels. This also has the 2C front wheel axle with the original red numbers on the height adjuster.

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Post# 438051 , Reply# 4   2/1/2021 at 10:04 (1,178 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Nice attention to detail. The machine looks lovely.

Post# 438052 , Reply# 5   2/1/2021 at 11:00 (1,178 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)        
Thanks

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Edgar,

Thank you so much. I'm glad you like it.

Jim


Post# 438270 , Reply# 6   2/6/2021 at 21:38 (1,173 days old) by johnnyb59c (13240 n 3980 rd dewey oklahoma)        
very nice

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I have an original 2C not in bad shape but thinking about gettin' down and dirty cleaning it up like I did my 1C

Post# 438289 , Reply# 7   2/7/2021 at 08:54 (1,172 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)        
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Jason,

You should indeed. Please share the pictures of your 1C, I would love to see it. Take some before and after pictures of your 2C as well.

Jim


Post# 438328 , Reply# 8   2/7/2021 at 22:01 (1,172 days old) by johnnyb59c (13240 n 3980 rd dewey oklahoma)        
I have a few pics of before and after

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like, 150 of them! (of the 1C) it was a dirty job. the first pic is of one I got about 20 years ago(parts) second pic is it and another 1C I already had. the second pic was taken 10 years ago. I will post some more pics in the morning

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Post# 438351 , Reply# 9   2/8/2021 at 08:59 (1,171 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)        
Very nice

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Jason,

You did a wonderful job, it looks fantastic. I hope to find a 1C someday for my collection...nice work, and thank you for sharing, I would love to see more.

Jim


Post# 438374 , Reply# 10   2/8/2021 at 21:46 (1,171 days old) by johnnyb59c (13240 n 3980 rd dewey oklahoma)        
thats an old pic

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I had done a quick buffing on one in 2003 right before I took it to the state fair for the "ABC" (all brand cleaner) booth/display for the "guess the age within 5 years and win a prize" (he sold new Kirbys so I guess the "ABC" was the trade ins he was selling)these pics are from the fair and 1C, 2C, and 510 from 2003. I have better original 1C and 2C now. I will post them tomorrow-and some before and after pics of the 1C I did in 2017. I'd had one on the buffing wheel years ago, but never gave one the full treatment- rewiring, internal cleaning and buffing til 2017. I should have replaced the bearings because even after a good cleaning and regreasing they're still kinda rough. I just need to figure out what size

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Post# 438378 , Reply# 11   2/8/2021 at 22:49 (1,171 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Nice

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Those are sweet model C's.

Post# 438390 , Reply# 12   2/9/2021 at 08:15 (1,170 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)        
Very nice indeed.

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Jason,

Thank you for sharing these pictures. You did a wonderful job. I love to see these old Kirby's brought back to their original glory...."No Kirby left behind".

Jim


Post# 438391 , Reply# 13   2/9/2021 at 08:29 (1,170 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth)        

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The 1C and 2C both take ND 8008 which converts to an 87008 bearing.

Post# 438449 , Reply# 14   2/9/2021 at 23:18 (1,170 days old) by johnnyb59c (13240 n 3980 rd dewey oklahoma)        
more pics

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as I said, I have over 100 pics from the rebuild-here are 18 still in pieces and before shots. I need to get the model tag fixed somehow. I wonder how it got that way? its a shame. I will add some after pics tomorrow. Will be my favorite pics! had to use the original bag but I wish I could find the exact herringbone patterned fabric. I had a friend of mine make me some new real narrow type wheels. He used some solid tubing and turned them on his lathe. they turned out ok. The bearing- is that the rear or the front bearing?

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Post# 438450 , Reply# 15   2/9/2021 at 23:22 (1,170 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Jason,

Just as I suspected: the bearing plate and motor housing assembly for models C and 2C are so much different than the respective equivalents for the 3C to 515!

This really makes me wish I had a service manual covering models C, 2C, 3C, 4C and the Scott & Fetzer Sanitation System!

~Ben


Post# 438459 , Reply# 16   2/10/2021 at 08:22 (1,169 days old) by Kloveland (Tulsa)        
Tulsa state fair

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I remember that booth at the Tulsa state fair. I tried to guess the age. This was way back before I knew anything.

I remember also seeing the Heritage II at the booth. My mother signed up for a demo and I tried to hide it in the front closet so the salesman wouldn’t take it.

I haven’t seen any vacuum booths within the last 10 years or more at the fair.


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Post# 438467 , Reply# 17   2/10/2021 at 10:57 (1,169 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
On these older vacuums

the fan pulleys are understandably worn thin.Some look like they'd snap or bend under a new tight belt. Do you have any problems with belts sliding off or any difference with the way they run? Some model vacuums do have a noticeable difference in performance when their pulley head has worn to half it's width! Hoover and Eureka are two that do. Billy

Post# 438501 , Reply# 18   2/10/2021 at 21:20 (1,169 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth)        

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Uh when you cleaned and repacked the bearings did you notice that the front and rear bearings are the same?

New Departure 8008 which is now a 87008 bearing.


Post# 438509 , Reply# 19   2/10/2021 at 23:41 (1,169 days old) by johnnyb59c (13240 n 3980 rd dewey oklahoma)        
some after pics

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I'm glad I had an extra fan. I would like to have the straight suction nozzle so I could try it out on my new tile floor. I would like the owners manual to go with it. I have the one that goes with my 2C it was sold in Tulsa!

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Post# 438516 , Reply# 20   2/11/2021 at 07:29 (1,168 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)        
WOW!!

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Jason,

Again thank you for sharing, those are great pictures. You did a wonderful job restoring those Kirby's. It's obvious you take a lot of pride in your work. I think James Kirby himself would be very impressed.

Jim


Post# 438533 , Reply# 21   2/11/2021 at 12:52 (1,168 days old) by johnnyb59c (13240 n 3980 rd dewey oklahoma)        
I wish

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I wish mine would stay pretty and shiny like that forever. I did lots of sanding on the scratches. and don't get me started on buffing- it gets my face a little itchy. I think I have an odd blood type- "gc"(grease and carbon) I think maybe from working on old fans, lawnmowers, and vacuums(or anything to do with motors)
and sometimes, I don't know if it's grease from the mechanicin' or the bryll cream I use in my hair mixed with sweat and dirt!


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Post# 438534 , Reply# 22   2/11/2021 at 13:07 (1,168 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Nice

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Get apron, face shield and rubber gloves

By the looks of how dirty you are you may have to mush polish on your wheels. You need a bugging wheel take.
Very nice detail on the vacuum tear down.


Post# 438535 , Reply# 23   2/11/2021 at 13:34 (1,168 days old) by johnnyb59c (13240 n 3980 rd dewey oklahoma)        
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mush polish?

Post# 438569 , Reply# 24   2/11/2021 at 22:27 (1,168 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Much polish

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To much polish on your buffer.


Post# 438604 , Reply# 25   2/12/2021 at 18:21 (1,167 days old) by johnnyb59c (13240 n 3980 rd dewey oklahoma)        
I'm still amateur

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I do use a buffing wheel rake between types of compound. after 25 years I am still experimenting with buffing. have trouble with the swirls- when I move the part around curvs- especially fan housings the part where it curves where the housing connects with the emtor and the emtor itself

Post# 438622 , Reply# 26   2/12/2021 at 22:45 (1,167 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Ya

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I get just as dirty too. If you have a dremmel bit or handi butler flex shaft it makes those tight places easier.
The metal your working on is over 80 years old.
It looks good just joking with you. Proof is in the pics.


Post# 438632 , Reply# 27   2/13/2021 at 08:25 (1,166 days old) by johnnyb59c (13240 n 3980 rd dewey oklahoma)        
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what kind of buff wheel and compound you use? what were you joking about?

Post# 438673 , Reply# 28   2/13/2021 at 19:03 (1,166 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Joking

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Everyone gets dirty when polishing vacuums.
I use mother's mag, red rouge,green rouge white and blue rouge's.
I have 3 6-8" harbor freight/amazon bench polishers. I have the gator drill attachment. The big boy is my dewalt 18lb variable speed buffer/polisher. It goes from 800 rpms to 36000 rpms. It fits 7-9 inch pads. It has a head that uses Velcro and covers the 9 inch pads. I also have a corded and cordless dremmell tool for small areas.
The dewalt is the top of the line commercial buffer for automobiles. I have to clamp everything down as it's sent the nozzle of a tradition 50 feet. It is variable speed so if something is caught it keeps the same speed. It's very dangerous so I use sparingly.
I use wheels on my bench buffer off Amazon that are a couple dollars a piece. I set up 2 polishers with 4 wheels. I put green rouge on one wheel, red on another, white on the third. The last wheel I don't put anything on it it's a flannel multi ply wheel I paid $12 for.
I use each wheel then the flannel to clean off and get mirror shine.
I also have a few sanders I put different grit on each one if something is scratched. There actually Kirby's turbo sanders.
I find it alot harder to buff older vacuums. I also don't want to scratch them because a 90 year old vacuum your not finding parts for.


Post# 438681 , Reply# 29   2/13/2021 at 20:45 (1,166 days old) by johnnyb59c (13240 n 3980 rd dewey oklahoma)        
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ok...how do you clamp down the parts that went flying? thats happened to me before and I also have a few scars. I wish you had a video guide or something. you sound awesome. oh, I hate buffing the older stuff- I'm guessing it was so hard to buff my Kirby because it's sand cast?

Post# 438707 , Reply# 30   2/14/2021 at 08:17 (1,165 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Bench

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I have 2 pegasus worx work benches. Then I have hand clamps also adding pics.

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Post# 438713 , Reply# 31   2/14/2021 at 10:07 (1,165 days old) by johnnyb59c (13240 n 3980 rd dewey oklahoma)        
awesome-

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now i just gotta sell and let go of some of my old vacuum and fan stuff to make room

Post# 438749 , Reply# 32   2/14/2021 at 18:18 (1,165 days old) by rivstg1 (colorado springs)        

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clever ideas with that type of table and clamps!

Post# 438792 , Reply# 33   2/15/2021 at 18:05 (1,164 days old) by johnnyb59c (13240 n 3980 rd dewey oklahoma)        
impossible project?

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I need to fix my Wireless Vacuette but don't know what bearings I need

Post# 438838 , Reply# 34   2/16/2021 at 21:10 (1,163 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Kirby collector

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Thomas has a very nice kirby wireless vacuette. MyVacRocks just sold a nice wireless. Dysonman runs the vacuum cleaner museum he probably knows. There is a member or former member in the UK who has a museum he knows too.



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