Another Kirby 505 motor to start work on

There is a few differences.
The model 4c is almost identical to the 505. The model C's all had belt caps. Model C was gold 1c (I had and traded to thomas) has black belt cap with the circular light hood.
The toggle switch and power cord are smaller than 505. The handles middle section on c 1c and 2c middle section is wood. The top grip is black rubber. The emtors on c 1c and 2c are all metal including the tray. There narrower than 3c. 3c is the same size as the 505. The 3c and 4c are also all metal including the tray.
The bags this is my theory early bags were double twill cotton fabric not exact on the name. The later were duvetyne which is what 505 bag is made from. This theorizing is 2c to 505 used same kirby everything.
The c and 1c came with a bag like the 505 but it had grey everywhere on the bag.
The model c belt cap was used through early 505s. My 505 I'm pretty sure it's a 4c fan or stock that was from a late 4c as it's a belt cap version. I have not opened the motor unit.
I traded the 1c and thomas got the bag and cord and finished it to original. I have a model 3c that I have with a small dime size hole in the upper right motor housing. It has a belt lifter but being resourceful I have a belt cap for it. The hole I have a pice of copper layer on the inside of the hole. I'm cutting out aluminum off another unit put into the hole on the copper. I'm going to rivet the copper onto the aluminum and the new patch piece to the copper. The edges I'm going to put I'm thinking just dripping solder in the holes since it's same color as aluminum.
I'm then going to box it up and send it to thomas for an avalir 2. I promised him a while ago.
I have 2 505's, 2 508's, 2 509's 2 510's then 512 to sentria with the exception of the g5.
I have the blue american lincoln super sweep upgraded fan and new brush roll. I have a heritage 2 13. I have lots of mods I've done to bags.
I have a 505 original bag a 508 and a 512 bag. I've had 513 515 517 and still have a 519 bag.
I have every manual from 505 to avalir 2. I have exploded diagrams of 505 to avalir. I have digital repair manuals I think for all Kirby's to sentria I'm not positive on that though.

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Post# 437621 1/22/2021 at 20:57 (1,188 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)
Checkrate/Likes 2 I picked up this old Kirby 505 motor, and I'm enjoying the process of restoring it. This is another early first year production. According to the armature this Kirby was built Dec. 1945. Now that it has been completely disassembled it's time to start the cleaning process.....stay tuned! Photos... < > Photo 1 of 7 View Full Size

Post# 437622 , Reply# 1 1/22/2021 at 21:09 (1,188 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)
Checkrate/Likes *VacMadMan* Jim, Since I know when the armature was made, what is the armature code number, please? Example: 10176 ~Ben

Post# 437646 , Reply# 2 1/23/2021 at 09:35 (1,187 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)
Checkrate/Likes *Code number* Ben, The only other number found next to the date stamp is 3424 115 I haven't cleaned the field yet, but I'll bet it will be stamped with that same number. Jim View Full Size

Post# 437647 , Reply# 3 1/23/2021 at 09:45 (1,187 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)
Checkrate/Likes *You* Dang you. Carol told me she had that unit coming up for sale and I missed it by 2 hours. I got the black belt lifter power nozzle albeit a 512-515 red trim with black belt lifter. I did get a 4c all metal emtor from her last month. You and thomas got the 505 items lately for sale. It's a very nice vacuum and I'm sure you will make it shine up real nice most vacs you show.

Post# 437648 , Reply# 4 1/23/2021 at 10:24 (1,187 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)
Checkrate/Likes Me Les, If you got the black power nozzle and belt lifter, you did well. I think they can be much harder to find these days, then the motor unit. I have two motor units now. The one on the left is the one I'm working on now. The one on the right is waiting in wings until I can find some power nozzles and belt lifters. side note: If your interested you can see my collection on the collection page, I had it posted. Jim View Full Size

Post# 437655 , Reply# 5 1/23/2021 at 12:20 (1,187 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)
Checkrate/Likes *Code number* Ben, I was right, after cleaning up the field the number stamped on both side of the field is 3424 115 60 it's good to hear from you Ben, since I'm no longer on Facebook. Jim View Full Size

Post# 437657 , Reply# 6 1/23/2021 at 12:38 (1,187 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *VacMadMan* Jim, Thank you! I already knew that about your exit from there. I hope you are having a good day and you can get this thing fired up again! ~Ben

Post# 437662 , Reply# 7 1/23/2021 at 15:10 (1,187 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)
Checkrate/Likes 2 *A little before and after.* The field cleaned up nicely, fortunately the wiring is in great shape on this old girl. Photos... < > Photo 1 of 2 View Full Size

Post# 437664 , Reply# 8 1/23/2021 at 16:25 (1,187 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Just 3 months after WWII ended, Kirby wasted no time!

Post# 437713 , Reply# 9 1/25/2021 at 00:53 (1,186 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)
Checkrate/Likes *VacMadMan* Hi Jim, This was your 505's lucky day. I don't think I've ever seen a C-model and was wondering if you could enlighten me on what sets them apart from the 500 series. I believe they were made before WWII. Are they cosmetically any different,and were they badged as C-3,C-4 on the serial plate? Any info tossed my way is appreciated,I know this was a 505 post and I apologize for straying off course, thanks,Billy

Post# 437719 , Reply# 11 1/25/2021 at 01:56 (1,186 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)
Checkrate/Likes *Pics* That's the unboxing of model c and him vacuuming with it. Getting bag from Adam for 1c. The 1c finished and I'm glad it went to a good home. The pics are my 3c and my 509 with my custom bags. I polished everything in 5 minutes. Yes I can polish a kirby to mirror shine as good as anyone in 5 minutes. It's using my work bench and my 12 amp 17lb 9 in 800-3759 variable speed buffer/polisher. It's probably more dangerous than Kirby's big 12 inch polisher. I'm holding my buffer absorbing torque. I just polished fast to show I can polish as good as anybody when I polish. I plan on making 508-512 bags exactly like originals. It's going to take a few hundred dollars but as you can see my 505 bag is missing no detail. I like it because you can watch it. Photos... < > Photo 1 of 4 View Full Size

Post# 437722 , Reply# 12 1/25/2021 at 06:12 (1,186 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)
Checkrate/Likes *Can you say...* Right click save as? Thanks Les! I remember you telling of a mis-hap with a buffer a while back so until I gain some experience... Looking at your 1C I get Heritage vibes. The nozzle resembles in the way it pinches instead of just rounding like so many other smaller Kirby's did, I hope that made sense. Also the black trim and wheels ad to that Heritage look. Thanks for the tutorial, I'm saving it all to my Kirby Archives. I need to check my bag inventory for K's, you may have a customer down the road,if you get rolling on the repro-bags.

Post# 437718 , Reply# 10 1/25/2021 at 01:37 (1,186 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)
Checkrate/Likes *Model c* There is a few differences. The model 4c is almost identical to the 505. The model C's all had belt caps. Model C was gold 1c (I had and traded to thomas) has black belt cap with the circular light hood. The toggle switch and power cord are smaller than 505. The handles middle section on c 1c and 2c middle section is wood. The top grip is black rubber. The emtors on c 1c and 2c are all metal including the tray. There narrower than 3c. 3c is the same size as the 505. The 3c and 4c are also all metal including the tray. The bags this is my theory early bags were double twill cotton fabric not exact on the name. The later were duvetyne which is what 505 bag is made from. This theorizing is 2c to 505 used same kirby everything. The c and 1c came with a bag like the 505 but it had grey everywhere on the bag. The model c belt cap was used through early 505s. My 505 I'm pretty sure it's a 4c fan or stock that was from a late 4c as it's a belt cap version. I have not opened the motor unit. I traded the 1c and thomas got the bag and cord and finished it to original. I have a model 3c that I have with a small dime size hole in the upper right motor housing. It has a belt lifter but being resourceful I have a belt cap for it. The hole I have a pice of copper layer on the inside of the hole. I'm cutting out aluminum off another unit put into the hole on the copper. I'm going to rivet the copper onto the aluminum and the new patch piece to the copper. The edges I'm going to put I'm thinking just dripping solder in the holes since it's same color as aluminum. I'm then going to box it up and send it to thomas for an avalir 2. I promised him a while ago. I have 2 505's, 2 508's, 2 509's 2 510's then 512 to sentria with the exception of the g5. I have the blue american lincoln super sweep upgraded fan and new brush roll. I have a heritage 2 13. I have lots of mods I've done to bags. I have a 505 original bag a 508 and a 512 bag. I've had 513 515 517 and still have a 519 bag. I have every manual from 505 to avalir 2. I have exploded diagrams of 505 to avalir. I have digital repair manuals I think for all Kirby's to sentria I'm not positive on that though. View Full Size

Post# 437788 , Reply# 13 1/26/2021 at 15:19 (1,184 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)
Checkrate/Likes 1 *Little by little* She's coming along nicely little by little, bit by bit. View Full Size