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Thread Number: 41055
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
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| Post# 435777 12/2/2020 at 14:18 (1,234 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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| Post# 435843 , Reply# 1 12/4/2020 at 10:38 (1,232 days old) by meriflower (USA) | ||
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| Post# 435851 , Reply# 2 12/4/2020 at 13:13 (1,232 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado) | ||
Basically what you're measuring is the working vacuum in the nozzle area, while the head is on a floor. In some ways its a very similar thing. Does the machine maintain good suction with a normal restriction on the system? The working vacuum gage tests the machine's ability to do this in a standardized way, going just on the machine's power. The useable vacuum test, in my eyes is a companion to this test rather than a replacement, as its not testing just the machine's performance, but the design of the nozzle itself. You want a certain balance of restriction and free flow, you want suction and flow being present. Knowing what the machine is capable of and then seeing how the nozzle interacts will give you a good idea, when combined with the agitation, how well the machine can inhale the dirt off of the floor.
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| Post# 435886 , Reply# 3 12/5/2020 at 11:39 (1,231 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
Airflow/suction through the rug is one way to find out how powerful the vacuum really is.
There is resistance of the rug so it's hard test for the vacuums.
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| Post# 436004 , Reply# 4 12/7/2020 at 16:03 (1,228 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
Yet another false narrative based on the almighty SUCTION
Post# 394286 7/3/2018
"In my humble opinion Working water lift is the Most realistic way to test vacuum motors." Since when did your humble opinion suddenly become fact over the previous two years and where did you obtain 45” as the magic number? Working water lift is yet another false sales tool seemingly created by Vacuflo in Ohio. www.vacuflo.com/WBA/Conte... Over the years these fake, misleading so-called tests have also failed so newer ones had to be created in order for certain companies to continue to sell (and eventually dominate) the market. Amps, Peak Horsepower, Cleaning Effectiveness Per Amp, and Airwatts. When all those didn’t work, working water lift was created. Working water lift shows up exactly nowhere when Googled except for your posts and YouTube videos. Please give me the ASTM/IEC test number. I’ll wait. Let me be perfectly clear. The best way to test a vacuum is to measure dirt pickup. Duh. Since everyone has a different dirt consistency, the tests should include some very specific types of dirt (i.e. fine dust, sand) as well as mixtures of debris (carpet fibers, dog hair, large particles, etc.). Gee, I wonder who performs those tests on YouTube? Static tests are only useful if they can predict high quality dirt pickup. Baseline static airflow, airflow density, sealed suction, carpet resistance and agitation tests have proven to be the most useful and I have the extensive database to prove it. Of special note is the airflow through the carpet test. If you encounter a situation in which fine dust/dirt has fallen down to the bottom of the pile and clogged the pores of flow though carpet (or have accumulated dirt below the carpet, say on the pad), high CFM through the carpet will pick up dirt from under the carpet quite easily. Obviously, I have endless videos showing this effect. The most useless new spec is airwatts because the only way to fully understand it is to closely examine the curves, which almost no one does. Motor manufacturers as well as dealers intentionally mislead buyers by quoting the peak airwatts number. Because airwatts represents the intersection of three variables (airflow, suction and measurement diameter), that peak number is mostly useless. Bill
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| Post# 436007 , Reply# 5 12/7/2020 at 17:20 (1,228 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
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Saving The Best For Last...
Onto airflow box creation. Once again, you’re completely wrong and pushing a false narrative. You need to familiarize yourself with a Physics/Mechanics concept called “path of least resistance”. For example, water self-levels and air finds the easiest way out (test orifice).
You think I didn’t notice the screenshot you grabbed of my airflow test video from April of 2018? And it also seems that you grabbed one from Vacuum Wars as well. Too cowardly to reference the actual sources? You don’t want people to know exactly whom you are criticizing. Way to “man up” dude. Again, without any actual lab experience nor quality testing equipment building experience, suddenly your opinion becomes fact. Well guess what? Airflow/Airwatts boxes in the actual vacuum industry are indeed…wait for it, ACTUAL BOXES! See the Dyson lab pictures below. Gee, do you know what that looks like? Mmmmm, I see a Dyson and Shark placed on top of large metal boxes with their handles reclined and the Dyson DC43 is even velcro’d to a pole with papers under the ball. BILLION dollar company and that’s the rig they use for measuring airflow, sealed suction and eventually airwatts. Your device will measure airflow and suction in a most awkward and inconvenient manner. I noticed that you still had to construct a wooden box and then place the vacuum on top. Very inefficient. I encourage everyone to build and use my “dual measurement hole” wooden airflow box that I posted a video of back in April of 2019. It will natively handle most small, standard and large nozzles. Introducing My New Dual Chamber Airflow And Suction Box Kirby Dual Sanitronic 80 Airflow And Suction Tests Featuring Boring Rants These two videos also serve as proof that size (volume) and material (cardboard versus wood) did not affect the CFM results by any appreciable amount (less than 1%). I have been designing and building highly accurate test equipment for about 30 years now and I care more than you’ll ever understand about obtaining quality results. For the bazillionth time, suction is a pressure, it is not a movement and not a volume. Typical units are inches of water lift or KiloPascals. Airflow is comprised of two components: Speed and Volume. Hence the typical terms Cubic Feet per Minute or Liters per Minute. Airflow is defined as the speed of a volume of air. That air carries the dirt from point A to point B. Suction merely attempts to maintain airflow when that flow becomes strained (forced into a hose, cyclones, Turbo tool, etc.). About two years have gone by since we had this exchange on Vacuumland and you still haven’t learned the above. Bill | ||
| Post# 436023 , Reply# 6 12/8/2020 at 05:30 (1,228 days old) by Sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 436024 , Reply# 7 12/8/2020 at 06:12 (1,228 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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| Post# 436030 , Reply# 8 12/8/2020 at 08:17 (1,228 days old) by Sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 436031 , Reply# 9 12/8/2020 at 08:23 (1,228 days old) by Sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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I'm more than happy with the performance of my cleaners they do a great job.
The Vorwerk kobold is my all time favourite. Even if the Kirby sucks up 5% more dirt I still wouldn't want one. The Vorwerk works great in my carpet it's also very light and easy to manoeuvre around it's quiet too. Then I use either my Miele C3 or Sebo E3 Premium for above floor cleaning. We're talking about portable cleaners here so I didn't mention my central vac. | ||
| Post# 436032 , Reply# 10 12/8/2020 at 08:42 (1,228 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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| Post# 436033 , Reply# 11 12/8/2020 at 08:54 (1,228 days old) by Sebo4me (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 436051 , Reply# 12 12/8/2020 at 13:31 (1,228 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
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I Haven't Learned How Suction Maintains Airflow, Mark?
Uh, I even made a video several years ago clearly proclaiming that very fact.
What matters is remaining usable airflow (keeping agitation aside for the moment), especially if you want super deep cleaning. In that arena, low suction high airflow cleaners nearly always win. Remaining Carpet Airflow (Brushroll ON) Kirby Avalir = 56.5 CFM Kirby H2L = 39.5 CFM Hoover WT3 HP = 27.7 CFM Dyson DC65 = 25.7 CFM Rainbow E2 with PN12 = 13.9 CFM Sealed Nozzle Suction Dyson DC65 = 64" Kirby Avalir = 30" CONCLUSION: Dyson's claim of high suction is 100% true, but the airflow at the nozzle is weak, so airflow drops to a much lower absolute value. The DC65 also uses much more power to produce this lower CFM and that means the vacuum as a whole is dramatically less efficient in terms of CFM per Watt consumed. Dysons for use on bare floors and low pile carpet are pretty good depending on the brushroll used but for medium pile carpet or taller, denser carpet, they perform poorly. Only the newest brushroll designs like the Ball Animal 2 head and V11 heads have begun to close the gap BUT, the V10/V11 now has too much suction and I'm sure by now everyone has seen plenty of videos showing the brushroll clamping to the pile carpet and the weak brushroll motor grinding to a complete halt. High suction is not the key to great dirt pickup and I do blame Dyson for the proliferation of this totally false narrative. In order to sell vacuums, nearly the entire industry has jumped onto this bandwagon unfortunately. Want proof that almost ZERO suction at the cleaner head still allows for reasonable dirt pickup? Here's a video showing the new Rainbow SRX pulling literally AIRFLOW ONLY from the power nozzle. Would it do better with more actual suction? Sure, but that would also increase pushing effort (Rainbow still needs to seal this leaky PN though). CONCLUSION: Nozzle airflow backed up with no measurable suction picks up dirt. However, high suction with little or no airflow picks up essentially nothing. Why? Because suction is a pressure, not a movement and not a volume. Bill | ||
| Post# 436053 , Reply# 13 12/8/2020 at 13:39 (1,228 days old) by desiredName (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 436056 , Reply# 14 12/8/2020 at 14:23 (1,228 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
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Check Out My Playlists Called
"CFM Through The Carpet"
"Airflow Box Tests" Dyson DC65 static CFM and sealed lift: 58 CFM and 64" Dyson CFM though the carpet: 25.7 CFM or 57% loss Kirby Avalir static CFM and sealed lift: 150 CFM and 30" Kirby CFM though the carpet: 56.5 CFM or 62% loss Rainbow E2 with PN12 static CFM and sealed lift: 58.6 CFM and 12" Rainbow E2 with PN12 CFM through the carpet: 13.9 CFM or 76% loss NOTE: Each PN is designed to sit on or "in" the pile differently and these tests were run with the proper settings for each PN. The PN12's outer spinning brushes were removed for reasons as stated in the video. | ||
| Post# 436073 , Reply# 15 12/8/2020 at 22:00 (1,227 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
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Somehow the Rainbow SRX link went poof
So here it is again.
Want proof that almost ZERO suction at the cleaner head still allows for reasonable dirt pickup? Here's a video showing the new Rainbow SRX pulling literally AIRFLOW ONLY from the power nozzle. Would it do better with more actual suction? Sure, but that would also increase pushing effort (Rainbow still needs to seal this leaky PN though). | ||
| Post# 436078 , Reply# 16 12/9/2020 at 09:17 (1,227 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 436167 , Reply# 17 12/11/2020 at 16:16 (1,224 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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Message to Mods and all of Vacuumland. | ||
| Post# 436197 , Reply# 18 12/12/2020 at 16:38 (1,223 days old) by Vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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Mods
I'd like to add that this morning Bill attempted to falsely copyright strike one of my videos.
I have not used any intellectual property of bills any of my videos. It was turned down immediately by YouTube this sort of harassment should be considered unacceptable by anybody. | ||
| Post# 436200 , Reply# 19 12/12/2020 at 18:52 (1,223 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
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Alex, you did use a screenshot from my video
CFM Through The Carpet: Hoover Windtunnel 3 HP
The exact screenshot occurs at the 2 minute mark! You can clearly see me, my basement and my cardboard airflow box in the above video and in slide #1 and #2 below. I posted all this above, which you clearly didn't read. Also, it appears you screen grabbed something from Vacuum Wars. Does someone else edit your videos? If you edited your videos, you would know where all the footage came from. Very strange that you don't seem to know what's in your own videos. And just an FYI, you have no understanding regarding what is "fair use" and how YouTube has recently changed their polies. As of February, I had a video taken down from "Great Vacs" where they showed me vacuuming a mattress. As of December 2020, I confirmed that YouTube now allows three things: 1) Anyone can use small snippets of anyone's videos without consent 2) Creators can use those small snippets without any reference or acknowledgement of any kind 3) The borrowed (or stolen) content can be re-copyrighted and monetized on anyone else's channel TRULY AMAZING ISN'T IT?! Since these are the new rules, I have retracted my takedown request. I can use any part of your videos and you can use any part of my videos without consent or reference, but this was not the case up through February 2020. Lastly, my claim was made on December 3rd as was not immediately rejected at all. I had to obtain the new clarifications of what YouTube considers fair use. A YouTube video takedown request is not considered harassment in anyway, shape or form. Please Google the term "harassment" for more detailed information. Bill | ||
| Post# 436205 , Reply# 20 12/12/2020 at 20:21 (1,223 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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This is the very definition of an abusive copyright claim. Below are too links describing "fair use" and "transformative art" my video clearly falls under those two categories. Which either you don't understand legal definitions or are attempting to be malicious. Again there is no intellectual property by legal definition of vaclabs in the video. According to the affidavit you signed this morning you have now committed an act of perjury. Why would you be willing to commit a crime over somebody else's video talking about about vacuums? One last time please stop your harassment. Don't reply or contact me further bill fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fa... CLICK HERE TO GO TO vacuumdevil's LINK | ||
| Post# 436215 , Reply# 21 12/12/2020 at 21:35 (1,223 days old) by beagledad (Florida) | ||
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Agreed vacuumdevil. My sister is an intellectual property rights attorney. You could have even used a screenshot from Disney with no issue. You can even play a clip so long as it is kept very brief. Lots of prominent YouTube creators do it every day. | ||
Post# 436217 , Reply# 22 12/12/2020 at 21:56 (1,223 days old) by gottahaveahoove  (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Post# 436218 , Reply# 23 12/12/2020 at 22:51 (1,223 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree) |
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That’s so inappropriate I don’t know why you mentioned it here, or what relevance it has to the subject of this thread. | ||
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Post# 436221 , Reply# 24 12/12/2020 at 23:38 (1,223 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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I was referring to | ||
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Post# 436222 , Reply# 25 12/12/2020 at 23:42 (1,223 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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And, as I said, I'll not give details. | ||
| Post# 436224 , Reply# 26 12/13/2020 at 01:45 (1,223 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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Whole point of this subject is that using someone else's content in their videos is extremely cheeky. Worst of all is showing it and saying how it's fail or wrong what someone else does. I would be very upset if someone took screenshot of my video and calls it FAIL. Vacuum Facts (JohnnyL8) used to do that and I made copyright claims. Those videos were always taken down. I guess rules in the youtube has changed. Even if you can do it now it's not being a nice person. | ||
| Post# 436225 , Reply# 27 12/13/2020 at 02:00 (1,223 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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Post# 436226 , Reply# 28 12/13/2020 at 02:24 (1,223 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Well, as mentioned, I won't go into it.
I was linking it to other people pirating pics they shouldn't, and using them in the wrong way.
How do I know this? Because "I" was grossly put at the scene there. Photos that were never to used that way. I was thinking about several folks who have taken pics and "borrowed them" w/o permission. Sorry if offended by that. My vacs have appeared here and there. Once, some asked if it was ok. Imagine one's surprise seeing his or her vacuums unexpectedly. Some have used some pics of mine... and it was fine. Just sayin........ pics of vacuums OR vacuum collectors can show up where they shouldn't. Trying to tie this back to cleaners. Again, sorry if that bothered you. Perhaps I should have put my say in Misc.... or just with the polics. | ||
| Post# 436235 , Reply# 29 12/13/2020 at 10:38 (1,223 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado) | ||
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John, why don’t you just make yourself a NEW THREAD where you can share with the class what’s on your mind, and, here’s the shocking part, then it would actually be ON TOPIC to discuss whatever this is?? Or is it just more you’re style to crash other people’s party by making their threads devolve into an excrement extravaganza? SERIOUSLY, can’t you at least keep your passive aggressive crap in your own damn topic threads!?
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| Post# 436237 , Reply# 30 12/13/2020 at 11:10 (1,223 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado) | ||
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| Post# 436240 , Reply# 31 12/13/2020 at 11:24 (1,223 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
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Once Again Alex, You've Gotten It Wrong
And remember, YouTube has recently relaxed their fair use rules as stated above. As recent as February 2020, "Great Vacs" used a short clip of me vacuuming a mattress without crediting me as the author. Please see the attached screenshot #3 of my Copyright claims. The other claim was from December 2018.
I have not committed perjury in any way shape or form as my work is clearly in your video at time stamps 2:52-2:57 as shown above. And YouTube has 100% agreed that it does appear in the video as they stated in this sentence. "We believe the content is protected by fair use, fair dealing or similar use of copyright protection." What that statement means is that they SEE MY WORK, but it is now protected by their recently relaxed rules. Even if you obtained that screenshot from another channel, it is still clearly my work. BTW, I've never cared if someone uses my work for commentary. What bothers me is when that channel refuses to acknowledge where it came from. In the educational and professional world, it is required to cite proper references. You didn't here. In picture #1 your video clearly shows my work beginning at 2:52. The left third is you and the right two thirds is CLEARLY me. You can see: 1) Both my hands and knee 2) My New Balance shoes 3) My cardboard airflow box with my Mohawk test carpet on top 4) My Dyson DC65 5) My GM8901 with a 984 FPM reading 6) Thomas Recetenwald's Red Hoover Windtunnel 3 7) My blue Kobalt toolbox in the background 8) Thomas Rectenwald's leg in the background 9) Blue lettering in the upper right hand side that says "WT" and "DC6" Not only have I not broken any YT rules and not committed perjury, you owe me an apology for claiming that I did. I'll wait. Bill | ||
| Post# 436248 , Reply# 32 12/13/2020 at 15:07 (1,223 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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Post# 436249 , Reply# 33 12/13/2020 at 15:25 (1,223 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Well, I certainly
understand the holiday. That wasn't meant to smear the holiday. My likeness was placed at a crematorium at a death camp.
I abhor all of the atrocities that happened there. Insinuating someone holiday baking there is a whole other thing. Right? My point WAS about people taking another's image, video, etc and putting it where it shouldn't be. To keep on focus with vacuum cleaners, lots of people post pics of their collectors' vacs and use them as an ebay item. I've recognized my friend Tom A.'s rugs, cleaners, etc. in photos. People have used mine too. I have no problem. Copyrights can be tricky. Sometimes, no issuer at all. I always enjoy seeing contest, comparisons, etc. about vacuums. That's all I was getting at. | ||
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Post# 436250 , Reply# 34 12/13/2020 at 15:28 (1,223 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Alex, to be clear, | ||
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Post# 436297 , Reply# 35 12/15/2020 at 07:56 (1,221 days old) by Kloveland (Tulsa) |
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| Post# 436300 , Reply# 36 12/15/2020 at 09:11 (1,221 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
YouTube has become so bad with forcing you to watch ads before the video you really want to see. It's so bad I won't even go to youtube any longer. Spoiled it for everyone. Let's say you want to hear Celine sing a song. Go to youtube, and wait for five minutes while every ad for everything you will never buy flashes in front of your eyes. By the time Celine is ready, I don't care anymore.
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| Post# 436303 , Reply# 37 12/15/2020 at 10:01 (1,221 days old) by DesiredName (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 436307 , Reply# 38 12/15/2020 at 14:25 (1,221 days old) by wavid (Minnesota) | ||
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OK, but don't... Don't even think about using my exclusive photos of a carbon fiber dual-speed FrankenKirby for your own personal or professional use. I won't have it! BTW, Bill@VacLab, keep up the great work. | ||
| Post# 436309 , Reply# 39 12/15/2020 at 16:23 (1,220 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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@Kloveland @DesiredName
@wavid Not sure you read through all the replies or looked at the whole picture I would encourage you to watch the reply video. Differences in testing aside. What has happened is Bill tried to make a false copyright strike. Which was a very malicious thing to do. In this case he happened to commit a crime of perjury by doing so. Why I could care less what you think of me or my videos. This sort of behavior should not be tolerated in our community. | ||
| Post# 436320 , Reply# 40 12/15/2020 at 18:54 (1,220 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
Exactly
Wtf is up with this thread. You basically told vaclab to lay off. You tube made the decision you can piss and moan and cry about it. It's a waste of time and emotion.
Vaclab doesn't like the youtube decision but tough. Then we go off track maybe off planetery course. Then vaclab apologists give him an atta boy justifying him. | ||
| Post# 436330 , Reply# 42 12/16/2020 at 00:26 (1,220 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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Post# 436332 , Reply# 43 12/16/2020 at 02:09 (1,220 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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If you want to watch videos on YouTube without ads-subscribe to YouTube Premium-its worth it!$15 per month.Even long videos you can see them WITHOUT the pesky ads. | ||
| Post# 436335 , Reply# 44 12/16/2020 at 08:40 (1,220 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Post# 436341 , Reply# 45 12/16/2020 at 10:18 (1,220 days old) by Kloveland (Tulsa) |
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@vacuumdevil - Form what I’ve read you mostly rag on Bill for his testing methods and his high praise for Kirby. The harassment goes beyond this thread. I wish we could all get along. But sadly I don’t think that will ever happen.
I have found some of your repair videos helpful. However the constant need to prove Bill wrong. Is really annoying. | ||
| Post# 436353 , Reply# 46 12/16/2020 at 13:14 (1,220 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 436358 , Reply# 47 12/16/2020 at 15:58 (1,219 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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@Kloveland look at how the thread started. A video and a simple discussion on a testing and diagnostic tool. I specifically said in that video "we'll talk about air box testing another day".
He's got his methods and opinions and has a whole YouTube channel to let it all out on. I had not concerned myself with Bill in this thread until I got 4 very Disturbed replies. I made a quick response video to clarify everything. This seem to upset Bill to the point of attempting to somehow hurt me by making a false copyrights strike. My replies in this thread have been about conduct and a malicious intent by Bill. Unfortunately things have gotten derailed that no talking of vacuum cleaners has gone on. A sad State of affairs. @Lesinutah Like I said in my reply videos why in the past I've poked fun of him. In this particular thread there's been no attempt to get a rise out of him. @Dysonman1 For more than a decade I've surfed the internet ad free. You might find this link useful. CLICK HERE TO GO TO vacuumdevil's LINK | ||
| Post# 436360 , Reply# 48 12/16/2020 at 16:20 (1,219 days old) by detroitdirtbag (Bottom of the Bag) | ||
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| Post# 436362 , Reply# 49 12/16/2020 at 16:35 (1,219 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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| Post# 436365 , Reply# 50 12/16/2020 at 17:55 (1,219 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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| Post# 436370 , Reply# 51 12/16/2020 at 21:03 (1,219 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 436375 , Reply# 52 12/16/2020 at 22:26 (1,219 days old) by Briant73 (USA) | ||
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Curious what other sites than here, YouTube , and Reddit vacuum cleaners, do people use for vacuum resources? | ||
| Post# 436379 , Reply# 53 12/16/2020 at 23:19 (1,219 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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