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Thread Number: 40811
/ Tag: 80s/90s Vacuum Cleaners
F&G bag spillage |
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| Post# 433617 10/16/2020 at 20:09 (1,280 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA) | ||
I use the Eureka Arm & Hammer F&G bags in my Eureka Boss upright, and I really like them. They keep odors away which is good because the bags last for quite a while.
The problem I have is when I go to change the bags, dirt always spills out. Which I don't know what is causing it, because I don't overfill the bags. I know Hoover C bottom fill bags do this but I thought with top fill tube bags it shouldn't happen. Maybe I need to switch the cleaner on for a second to blow any remaining dust in the tube into the bag, before I change it? | ||
Post# 433625 , Reply# 1 10/16/2020 at 21:53 (1,280 days old) by bagintheback  (Flagstaff, Arizona) |
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I think that's just the nature of the bag, and has happened with every F&G model I've had. Genuine bags don't make much of a difference. I think some dirt gets stuck near the crease where you roll up the spring belt to keep the fill tube in place. That's a good idea though to run it for a few seconds before you remove the bag. Maybe that will help.
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| Post# 433653 , Reply# 2 10/17/2020 at 11:05 (1,280 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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| Post# 433655 , Reply# 3 10/17/2020 at 13:38 (1,280 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
Interesting suggestions... | ||
| Post# 433660 , Reply# 4 10/17/2020 at 16:33 (1,279 days old) by detroitdirtbag (Bottom of the Bag) | ||
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| Post# 433667 , Reply# 5 10/17/2020 at 18:39 (1,279 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
I always turn off an upright before moving the handle up to the stored position. If you move up the handle to the stored position first and then turn off the motor, the throat of the F&G bag gets squished and does not provide enough room for those last bits of dirt to make it to the top of the paper tube. This is especially so if the bag is quite full at the bottom and the airflow is really restricted.
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| Post# 433672 , Reply# 6 10/17/2020 at 20:14 (1,279 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX) | ||
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Messy bag change These cleaners were always prone to these messy bag changes. Just the nature of it. Some dirt always gets in the tube Around the throat of the bag. | ||
| Post# 433681 , Reply# 7 10/17/2020 at 22:14 (1,279 days old) by detroitdirtbag (Bottom of the Bag) | ||
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| Post# 433682 , Reply# 8 10/17/2020 at 22:27 (1,279 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 433718 , Reply# 9 10/18/2020 at 10:25 (1,279 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado) | ||
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| Post# 433721 , Reply# 10 10/18/2020 at 11:02 (1,279 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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| Post# 433727 , Reply# 11 10/18/2020 at 12:40 (1,279 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA) | ||
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Thanks for all the tips. I hadn't thought about the idea that dirt gets between the plastic bellows and paper bag. That makes sense, as the dirt falls out when I roll the spring down to remove the bag. Unfortunately it does often get into the bottom of the outer bag which is annoying.
I will start inverting the vacuum before I change it, and switch off before putting the handle up, but I think I usually did the latter already - hard to recall! | ||
| Post# 433731 , Reply# 12 10/18/2020 at 14:14 (1,278 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Of course, the other major mistake some users make is installing Eureka's F&G bag incorrectly: always make sure the paper throat is facing the handle and the main part of the bag is facing the outer bag's zipper - there should be a graphic on the paper bag itself which will remind you how to do it. This configuration allows dirt to more freely be blown to the top of the bag where it can fall out of the way of the airstream.
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Post# 433733 , Reply# 13 10/18/2020 at 14:51 (1,278 days old) by Vinvac (Dubuque IA) |
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I have replaced all of mine with the ST bags and adapter.
www.hescoinc.com/sanitair... CLICK HERE TO GO TO Vinvac's LINK | ||
| Post# 433734 , Reply# 14 10/18/2020 at 14:53 (1,278 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado) | ||
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| Post# 433740 , Reply# 15 10/18/2020 at 17:47 (1,278 days old) by detroitdirtbag (Bottom of the Bag) | ||
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Post# 433855 , Reply# 16 10/20/2020 at 12:39 (1,277 days old) by rivstg1 (colorado springs) |
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Vinvac | ||
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Post# 433856 , Reply# 17 10/20/2020 at 12:51 (1,277 days old) by KestinFox (Renton/Washington) |
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Convert to Kirby bags!
I used to use F&G bags on my Eurekas, but I converted all my machines to use the Kirby bag system after I got tired of fiddling with the spring and having that little bit of dirt stuck in the tube come out. It's not a bad system, but I'd prefer to not have any spillage at all, so now I use the Kirby HEPA bags. Even on the Royals!
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| Post# 433861 , Reply# 18 10/20/2020 at 15:43 (1,276 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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F&G system...
@rivstg1: The F&G system is sort of a hybrid between top- and bottom-fill. The connection for the bag is at the bottom but the bags themselves have a built-in fill tube (or snorkel, as I call it) that brings the dirt into the bag at the top. This is is somewhat problematic because dirt invariably gets trapped in the snorkel. I had this happen when I changed out my Sanitaire's F&G bag Sunday. The solution Vinvac is suggesting adds an adapter, essentially an extension tube so that one can use true top fill bags. KestinFox's suggestion apparently accomplishes the same thing but with Kirby bags.
@KestinFox: Can you post pictures of your Kirby setup? I've got a spare Kirby fill tube and bag connector but the tube is round and the connector on the Sanitaire is oval. I'm not sure how to bridge that difference. Does the Kirby fill tube flex enough to fit over the F&G connector? Does the spring band hold it in place or would one need something like a zip tie or radiator hose clamp? I do hope there is a more elegant solution than duct tape. | ||
| Post# 433872 , Reply# 19 10/20/2020 at 18:43 (1,276 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado) | ||
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Post# 433899 , Reply# 20 10/21/2020 at 13:29 (1,276 days old) by KestinFox (Renton/Washington) |
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Absolutely!
@human, I can definitely post pictures of my setup! Once I get home, I'll take a few and post them.
It's fairly simple, I use two zip ties to secure the fill tube around the F&G nozzle, one at the top of the nozzle and one at the bottom to minimize leakage and to make sure there's a really good seal. It looks pretty good, too. Though I am using the non-crushproof fill tube, it would probably work with the crushproof fill tube, but you'd have to make extra sure the zip ties are tight. You can use the bag spring for a little extra seal, but with the two zip ties it's not really needed. I just hang on to them in case I ever want to convert back, like if I'm giving a vacuum to someone who insists on the F&G bags. I've linked the fill tube I use from eBay, it's definitely flexible enough to fit the F&G nozzle. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KestinFox's LINK on eBay | ||
| Post# 433953 , Reply# 21 10/22/2020 at 10:42 (1,275 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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I've got all the pieces... | ||
| Post# 434004 , Reply# 22 10/23/2020 at 07:27 (1,274 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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I’ve never really had a big problem with lots of spillage when changing a Eureka F&G dust bag, and I’ve been changing these bags in our family’s Eurekas for over 40 years.
Here is my simple procedure: 1. Unzip the outer bag 2. Bring down the cleaner’s handle to the middle setting (“operating” position) 3. Pull out the filled paper bag and let it lie flat on the carpet - the paper throat is now lying flat on top of the bag 4. Turn down the plastic neck with the coil spring so that it is completely out of the outer bag - almost horizontal to the floor like the rest of the paper bag 5. Roll the metal coil spring sideways to release the paper throat and voila - any dirt remnants that were at the bottom of the paper throat stay inside the throat or are deposited on the top of the filled bag 6. Fold the used bag in two to secure all dirt and dump in garbage. The trick really is to do this with the handle in the operating position so you can easily pull out the plastic neck from the bottom of the bag so dirt remnants end up outside the outer bag. Reverse the procedure to install a new bag. | ||
| Post# 434105 , Reply# 24 10/24/2020 at 10:31 (1,273 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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On a whim last spring, I bought a dump bag to F&G conversion kit for my Sanitaire SC686. It uses the exact same clamp mounting system as the dump bag so it was quick and easy up-fit—totally plug-and-play—no drilling or screwing required. The elegant simplicity of these machines is absolutely amazing. It makes them a joy to work on. Aside from the bag change annoyances described in this thread, it works great and whatever mess results is easily vacuumed back up once the new bag is in place. As mentioned in my previous response above, I'm considering converting it to use Kirby bags once I run through the remaining ten F&G bags I have on hand.
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| Post# 434108 , Reply# 25 10/24/2020 at 10:51 (1,273 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado) | ||
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| Post# 434111 , Reply# 26 10/24/2020 at 11:58 (1,273 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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Outer bag kit...
Ultralux88 wrote:
You can buy a new outer bag that takes paper bags and connects to that latch on bag connector. I reply: That's exactly what I have. I stumbled across it while looking for parts to repair an Electrolux Diplomat LX canister that I'd recently rescued from beside a dumpster. It was a nice value at $26 shipped, especially since the package also included a dozen F&G bags and two belts. It's also cool that I can switch back to the dump bag (although I can't imagine a reason why I'd ever want to) in about a minute's time. | ||
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Post# 434130 , Reply# 27 10/24/2020 at 15:04 (1,272 days old) by KestinFox (Renton/Washington) |
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Finally, pictures!
@human, here are the pictures of my setup I promised earlier! Took a bit longer to get around to it than I thought I was going to, but here it is.
Like I said further up, I just put two zip ties at the top and bottom of the F&G fill nozzle, just after or behind the groove at the top and the start of the flex at the bottom. I’m pointing to the zip ties in place in the second pic. The third pic is the solution I came up with for supporting the fill tube at the top. It’s just a loose zip tie around the wooden bar for the cloth bag looped into the hook at the top of the Kirby fill tube adapter. Hope this helps! | ||
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