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Thread Number: 40744
/ Tag: 50s/60s/70s Vacuum Cleaners
Did vintage cloth bags filter better than disposable paper? |
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| Post# 432926 10/1/2020 at 21:11 (1,295 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA) | ||
I was wondering on this. On the older uprights and canisters which used the reuseable cloth bags, did these filter better than disposable paper bags? I know nearly all vacuums made prior to the 1950s seemed to use this setup. When I think cloth bags in today's terms it makes me think of the HEPA cloth bags, which tend to filter better. Of course these old bags weren't HEPA, but was the filtration ok, or better?
What about canisters that used both a cloth filter bag and a disposable bag? (I think some of the cylinder shaped canisters had this setup, as well as GE/Premier Swiveltop). And of course many uprights with the outer cloth jacket with inner paper bag. Only real experience I've had with this is my Eureka F&G having the outer cloth jacket bag, used with inner paper bags. I've always used the Eureka Arm & Hammer F&G bags (paper so obviously not super filtration like HEPA cloth or microlined paper) but I've always felt that this setup filters very well - I haven't noticed much dust leakage on the vacuum. Eureka called this Triple Filter System, although I don't know what constitutes the third layer of this triple filter idea. | ||
Post# 432928 , Reply# 1 10/1/2020 at 21:44 (1,294 days old) by Thevacomaticiec  (Bathurst New Brunswick Canada ) |
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| Post# 432946 , Reply# 3 10/2/2020 at 09:28 (1,294 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
Cloth bags on the old vacuums were designed to be emptied and shaken outside after EACH USE. They were made to allow the air to flow through them and hold a reasonable amount of dirt back. But they were not made to be a 'trash bag' for the dirt from several cleanings. That's what the paper bags had over the cloth ones - they could hold a large quantity of dirt. Air-Way invented the disposable 7 layer cellulose bag and used it from 1920 on.
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| Post# 432947 , Reply# 4 10/2/2020 at 09:30 (1,294 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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| Post# 432958 , Reply# 6 10/2/2020 at 11:57 (1,294 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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I couldn't agree more...
I have only had two machines with dump bag setups, both of which have been retrofitted to use disposable bags. My Sanitaire SC686 now has an F&G setup, which literally took me about two or three minutes and no tools to accomplish. The most time consuming part was putting the paper bag in. My Kirby Heritage 1HD now has a Heritage II setup but with the correct orange outer bag. This was just a matter of swapping out parts and the best part of all is the machine now uses the same bag as my other six Kirbys. The original Heritage dump bag and sani-emptor have been passed along to another member.
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| Post# 432979 , Reply# 7 10/2/2020 at 20:38 (1,294 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
Grew up with a Compact, open cloth bag of course, dumped it every time, shaking it out over the garbage can, and then shaking it well in the air as I walked away. Figured that one out pretty fast! I never could stand to use it with too much in the bag it always sounded to me like the airflow was lessened as though it had a cold! And I was seven
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| Post# 432992 , Reply# 8 10/3/2020 at 07:37 (1,293 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
I don't think so.
So while these are not vintage I think they filter better than vintage bags. While working at that vacuum shop we had a rental company who insisted on using these cloth bags in their carpet pros so they didn't need to purchase paper ones. The problem is their property managers did not care for them and this would result in a huge amount of dust in the bag and motor chamber. That and them being clogged with dust would result in shortened motor lives. We told them they need to be shaken out and washed but that just went in one ear and out the other.
Anyways I think these modern ones (with care) could exceed a standard filtration paper bag but I don't think vintage ones are capable of it. Of course with different materials and different bags may come different results.
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