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Post# 430426   8/22/2020 at 18:27 (1,336 days old) by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)        

Well my parents got talked into a new Rainbow. Honestly didn't know they had a new one since the blue e2

 

They seem to love it. My dad was hard to convince but likes the filtering with water.

 

 

How are these? They said the monthly payment plan is pretty astounding. 


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Post# 430428 , Reply# 1   8/22/2020 at 21:19 (1,335 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

Just curious, when you buy a Rainbow on credit with the 18-24%???? interest rate, what is the final cost of the Rainbow - over $5000? Might be better off returning it and buying the previous model on amazon or vac store. Dave Ramsey would likely say to only buy it if you can afford to pay cash.

Post# 430432 , Reply# 2   8/22/2020 at 23:15 (1,335 days old) by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)        

Was less than half that in interest. Think it was 5% 


Post# 430436 , Reply# 3   8/23/2020 at 00:09 (1,335 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

High end vacuums are an investment.

Most assuredly a purchase best made by someone that already likes that platform of the machine in consideration, or has had the opportunity to use one like it several times before taking the leap of faith that they will appreciate the purchase.

It all sounds great at the point of sale until you realize you don't like the set up to use it, or the maintenance needed to keep it performing well. It is a deal breaker and most times the factor that makes you decide never will I ever consider one of those again.

Did your parents have a Rainbow before this purchase. From what you describe it sounds like they may have?


Post# 430438 , Reply# 4   8/23/2020 at 00:14 (1,335 days old) by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)        

I had a few rainbows in my teenage days living with them so they understand them 


Post# 430441 , Reply# 5   8/23/2020 at 00:17 (1,335 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Performance

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I haven't heard much about the srx. It had a recall. It is a rainbow and the last 20 years they have not made a bad model in that time.
I'm pretty sure they'll love it. I sold a few rainbows but I let my wife use one and she loves it. They are impressive it leaves a clean smell when using it.
Les


Post# 430443 , Reply# 6   8/23/2020 at 00:22 (1,335 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Ok.

That is good to know. Hopefully they will see the same advantages and benefits a Rainbow has to offer they and others have come to appreciate.

Very good for allergy suffers or asthmatics.

It irks me to see or hear of people getting taken advantage of over something they are unfamiliar with. If it is some thing you know a trust it is worth a fair price.





Post# 436296 , Reply# 7   12/15/2020 at 01:52 (1,221 days old) by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)        

Got to use the new rainbow this past week.

What an amazing machine. Quiet. Powerful. Very sturdy in construction. I do like it a lot


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Post# 436321 , Reply# 8   12/15/2020 at 18:56 (1,220 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Huh

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I apologise my post was for a different thread.

Post# 436322 , Reply# 9   12/15/2020 at 19:52 (1,220 days old) by Briant73 (USA)        

Family had a rainbow back in the 1980s - seemed a decent vacuum just remember to empty the water every time after use and follow the usual maintenance cycle.

Post# 436324 , Reply# 10   12/15/2020 at 20:51 (1,220 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I had a roommate about 30 years ago who sold Rainbows. He would go on and on about how wonderful they were but I never could get him to do vacuuming in our house–either with his Rainbow or with my Hoover Convertible that I had at the time.

Post# 436377 , Reply# 11   12/16/2020 at 22:44 (1,219 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

There were a lot of complaints on Vacuumland about the new SRX model. According to some, it doesn't have very good airflow. Many are critical of the new power nozzle also.

It does have some innovations. The hinged top makes emptying the machine quicker and easier it would seem. It also incorporates a magnetic hose lock system. It is quieter than previous models too.

I hope these are just growing pains, if true, and they are able to correct them. Rexair has a reputation for making high quality, long lasting machines that will last decades if taken care of.


Post# 438310 , Reply# 12   2/7/2021 at 13:57 (1,167 days old) by juju93 (South Georgia)        
curious

I'm curious to see what Rexair has planned for the 85th anniversary. Hopefully a new optional accessory or two. We know its not gonna be a new model since this one just got launched over a year ago.

Post# 438354 , Reply# 13   2/8/2021 at 10:30 (1,166 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Not sure I would finance it

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but I've had my rainbow since 2006 (bought brand new). Had to have one control board repair a couple of years ago but I will never EVER give mine up. But, you gotta maintain it or things can go south really quick.

Post# 438356 , Reply# 14   2/8/2021 at 11:14 (1,166 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

Has anything significant changed with the operation of Rexair since the company was sold to a private equity firm on Feb 26, 2019?


Source wikipedia: "On 26 February 2019 Newell Brands announced it would be selling its Rexair business, t1he maker of Rainbow vacuum products, to private-equity firm Rhone Capital. The Rexair business had about $123 million in net sales in 2018, Newell said. Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed."


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Post# 438358 , Reply# 15   2/8/2021 at 11:32 (1,166 days old) by sanitaire (anchorage, alaska)        

keep them clean don't over fill them or it gets sucked into the motor. store them off the base.. I have a couple in my collection. there fun too use....

Post# 438465 , Reply# 16   2/10/2021 at 10:24 (1,164 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
is it true

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that the latest rainbow lost some power vs the previous models? I heard the airflow was better but something with the voltage or wattage? I read it in this forum, but I can't remember.

Post# 438486 , Reply# 17   2/10/2021 at 14:37 (1,164 days old) by juju93 (South Georgia)        

I haven't own any of the previous models but the SRX does have power to clean. Even using the longer 14ft hose I had plenty of suction power to do my hard to reach cleaning.

I am curious to see what rexair has planned for their 85th anniversary, which is this year. Hopefully some new accessories. I'm hoping they come out with a soft roller head kind of like what dyson has for their cordlesses. I also do hope they come out with a dog bathing system, kind of what bissell has done with the biselle barkbath. I also do wish they come up with some additional brushes for the MiniJet, Kind of like a spinning turbo shampoo brush, kind of like what Hoover has. There is potential for new accessories, Lets just hope rexair has some ideas for new optional accessories.


Post# 438553 , Reply# 18   2/11/2021 at 17:07 (1,163 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio)        
The Rainbow SRX is Very Weak

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A key factor is the new motor. Running somewhere around 800-900 Watts, the SRX no longer has the "oomph" it used to. It's supposed to be rated at 1400 Watts (higher with the PN). The previous E2 2-Speed models consumed nearly 1500 watts with the PN running.





Suction has dropped to zero at the power nozzle and PN airflow is in the mid 40 CFM range. There are other videos I've seen on YT clearly showing SRX's clogging easily, especially with pet hair.

Suction at the hose end is the lowest I've seen in decades from the Rexair line. I've seen no better than 55", which puts it on par with the D4C series of the 1990's.

For the price charged, I'd look elsewhere.


Post# 438556 , Reply# 19   2/11/2021 at 17:47 (1,162 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
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"High end vacuums are an investment."

 

I think what you mean is they can FEEL like an investment based on the amount of money some people choose to pay.

 

One thing is for sure though, because they DEPRECIATE in value they are NOT an investment.  Like an automobile or recreational vehicle they are a DEPRECIATING ASSET.   One should expect to loose all or most of the money they pay toward such items.  Some items lose a significant amount of value in just the first 2 years.


Post# 438557 , Reply# 20   2/11/2021 at 18:05 (1,162 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        

I remember a couple years ago there were people trying to push interest in Kirby, then went to Ebay and found an unusual amount of Kirbys for sale for less than a $100.

 

Guess what.  Just checked Ebay and there is an unusual number of Rainbows for less than $100

 

hmmmm.

 

It's been pointed out about the lack of suction but also, it's really not practical to fill and empty a vacuum with water after each use and if you should happen to tip the unit.......eww, yeah.  That's a real mess and could end up with a user getting electrocuted.  Also, if mold were able to grow inside the machine between uses, when you go to use the unit, it would blow those mold spores all over the room.

 

Tests have shown that water is not the magical trap it would seem to be.  Particle exhaust tests have shown these vacs as having a high particle count escaping and entering the room.

 

Really, for the money one of these cost new one could afford a decent, vented, top fill central vacuum system and not have to worry about recirculating dust, noise, a heavy canister that could tip, and it would actually INCREASE the value of ones home.

 

One last thing, the last week or so I've seen an ad appearing on Youtube about the Quantum X upright vacuum that uses a water based dust bin.   They compare it to the Rainbow and state that it's quite easy to use and cost 1/4 what the Rainbow is apparently selling for new.  Have you seen that?  Here's their website and if you do a search on Youtube you can find their commercials.



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Post# 438559 , Reply# 21   2/11/2021 at 18:15 (1,162 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Oommphhh it used to?

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So wait, the SRX has a different "weaker" motor now than when it first came out? What is Rexair thinking??

Post# 438600 , Reply# 22   2/12/2021 at 16:12 (1,162 days old) by Juju93 (South Georgia)        

Questions. When using the RainJet accessory, what other solutions can be used other than cleaned floor? Can I use pine sol or Lysol. Also when using the system as an air purifier can I also use pine sol or Lysol instead of the rainbow scents or any other brand of oils?

Post# 438610 , Reply# 23   2/12/2021 at 19:04 (1,161 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
OK

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I can't speak for the Rainjet....but for the system use you absolutely CAN use essential oil (but, and there's a but) you risk cracking the basin (so I've heard) or at least discoloring the basin. But I've never had this happen. I have just stuck with Lemon, Orange or Eucalyptus essential oil (I keep it in the fridge in dropper bottles)..zero foaming, smells great, hasn't ever damaged my basin. It smells so freaking good when you're cleaning.

Now, a long time ago, I bought a rainbow mate air purifier on Ebay...I had also bought some essential oil on Ebay and I can't remember but I think it was some kind of spice essential oil or something. It had a bad reaction to the plastic that holds the water on that rainmate air purifier. It didn't crack it, it just cause areas to be foggy looking...so I think it might be the "type" of essential oil you use. I just stick with those 3 types which are my favorites anyway and I've never had issues. I think it's healthier too...those rainbow scents (even though I LOVE The way they smell too) are pure chemicals.


Post# 438818 , Reply# 24   2/16/2021 at 15:23 (1,158 days old) by juju93 (South Georgia)        
recall issue

I have a question that pertains to the recall issue that the SRX had recently. My unit was one of the ones affected by the recall and I had gotten it fixed but yet my unit still gets warm in the same spot. Is this normal?

Also does anybody have any insight to what rexair is going to do for their 85th anniversary?


Post# 438824 , Reply# 25   2/16/2021 at 15:52 (1,158 days old) by joshp83 (Minneapolis)        
@juju93

My SRX was fixed under the recall, and it does not get warm in the same way it did before the recall modification. It used to get warm on the top of the machine under the handle, and now gets warm on one side of the unit (I don't recall which side, but I can check it if you'd like me to).
Did they take your machine in for the recall? My rep did it at my house, so I watched her do it. They add a little plastic deflector type piece into a vent under the outer unit housing, which presumably redirects the motor cooling air toward the side of the unit, rather than up towards the board housing.
They also placed a little Checkmark sticker where the dolly meets the motor unit. Did they put a sticker on your machine indicating that the repair was completed?


Post# 438831 , Reply# 26   2/16/2021 at 18:58 (1,157 days old) by electroluxxxx (……)        

The machine will still get warm but not as warm, if looking at the rear of the machine on the filter cover, you will see 3-4 small slots in the filter cover down the side. There is a Fan on the board that it screwed into the heatsink that pushes the heat towards the side of the machine and on that side of the machine is a piece of thermal material to prevent the plastic from getting damaged.

the motor is completely sealed off from the board and cannot cool the board in any way at all. This machine is a perfect example of a completely sealed system.wink


Post# 438859 , Reply# 27   2/17/2021 at 12:43 (1,157 days old) by juju93 (South Georgia)        

yeah it gets warm on the side where the plus and minus buttons are at, the area where the decal sticker and sheild are at. The top doesn't get warm/hot, so I assume thats good.

Post# 439062 , Reply# 28   2/23/2021 at 07:56 (1,151 days old) by Tekjunkie28 (Western Va)        

There was a motor change back in 2015 or 2016. My E2 Black only consumes 900 watts. Yet it outcleans my Sebo D4 easily.

Post# 439063 , Reply# 29   2/23/2021 at 08:47 (1,151 days old) by joshp83 (Minneapolis)        

Tekjunkie28 - that's really interesting, I was not aware they'd made a change to the motor wattage on the E2 Black. I come across them periodically, I'll have to start plugging them into my Kill-A-Watt to locate one and compare.
Thanks for sharing!


Post# 439083 , Reply# 30   2/23/2021 at 16:56 (1,151 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The new SRX only has one revolving fan. It's the "high efficiency" type of fan but has really reduced the water lift. My 1940 "Black Diamond" model B Rexair has 55 inches of lift and three fans to produce excellent airflow. Terribly disappointed in the new model. I think the highest airflow (not water lift) of any Rainbow was the model D chrome dome.

Post# 439085 , Reply# 31   2/23/2021 at 17:55 (1,150 days old) by Juju93 (South Georgia)        
Question

When using my SRX as an air purifier I notice that on the edges of the basin there is like a white clay type texture substance in the pan, idk if that’s a good thing or if that is an issue with my water. I use to think it was all the contaminates in my air but idk. Also would putting oils and or fresh air cause this clay type film to form on the edges of my basin. I only run it in air purifying mode for at most 6 hours on speed 2.

Post# 439089 , Reply# 32   2/23/2021 at 19:51 (1,150 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
I'm not sure

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when you say "clay" I'm wondering if you mean hard water white dust type material? Like if you put tap water in a humidifier how it can cause white dust deposits to get on everything. I have hard city water as well but I've never used mine on low speed. I just use it for cleaning.

Wattage: I read the new Hyla CST only has a wattage of 700 something.


Post# 439099 , Reply# 33   2/24/2021 at 00:52 (1,150 days old) by beagledad (Florida)        

I believe Rainbow's model immediately prior to the SRX was the best machine they had built. The power nozzle was definitely better since they finally put on a geared belt and moved it to the side instead of the center. I can't believe they put it back in the center on the SRX. Very dumb.

Go back to the E2, put a crushproof hose on it (will also improve airflow), and give it an EBK360 power nozzle. Rexair needs to also cut out the two middle distributors and sell directly to local franchises. This would substantially decrease the price and still leave room for a decent commission.


Post# 439189 , Reply# 34   2/26/2021 at 08:53 (1,148 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio)        
Historical Canister Measurements

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CANISTER ONLY

D3 = 92 CFM / 60"
D4C SE = 87 CFM / 60"
E2 One Speed = 107 CFM / 58"
E2 Two Speed Gold = 97 CFM / 84"
E2 Two Speed Platinum = 97 CFM / 84"
E2 Two Speed Black = 97 CFM / 84"

Other People's Tests
SRX = 101 CFM / 58"

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So the highest canister suction is the previous generation E2 2-Speed series @ 84" and the highest canister CFM is the E2 One Speed @ 107 CFM.

Other testers had issues measuring the SRX CFM and it may indeed be nearer to 107, matching the old E2 One Speed.

Bill


Post# 439218 , Reply# 35   2/26/2021 at 23:00 (1,147 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Two motors (E2 black)

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If the E2 black had a motor change. Maybe there should be a stat for Motor #1 and Motor #2

What is the wattage consumed on E series 2 speeds?


Post# 439242 , Reply# 36   2/27/2021 at 09:19 (1,147 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Samples for the E2 black

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Here are two data sets for an E2 black I'm guessing my nozzle's seals were in better shape.

Bills sample (Thomas's machine)


121.4 loaded voltage
11.53 amps
Base 97.09 CFM 84"
Hose 80.15 CFM 82"
nozzle 50.34 CFM 8"
my sample


120 loaded voltage
966 watts
base 87.33 CFM 80"
Hose 74.49 CFM Forgot to measure!
nozzle 52.41 CFM 20"


Post# 439244 , Reply# 37   2/27/2021 at 10:24 (1,147 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
Question about SRX

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So to be clear and that I'm understanding correctly. I've seen several Youtube Vid's demonstrating the lack of airflow at the PN by putting sand on a hard floor and it will NOT suck up the sand while most other PN's will. So is this the mere design of the SRX PN cutting off airflow? That if they updated the PN it might be better? OR.......is it the actual lack of power of the machine itself? It sounds to me like it's a PN design cutting off airflow.

Post# 439256 , Reply# 38   2/27/2021 at 18:00 (1,146 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Maybe....

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So this is partially speculation but I think it makes sense.
To give a possible answer to your question Mark I think that poor sand pickup on bare floors is partially due to both the main unit and the nozzle

If i remember correctly with the SRX they moved back to the narrow but wide air channel kind of like the PN-2
Looking over Bill's data this narrow channel has always been problematic his D4 got around 42 nozzle cfm with the old boxy nozzle and 33 with the PN-2
This was repeated with the PN2E and the PN-12 using a E2 Blue The PN2E scored 47.27 CFM (off) and the pn-12 scored 59.38 (off) attached to the same E2 blue.




In addition to this the SRX nozzle seems very poorly sealed when i attempted to measure it on my airflow box I noticed leakage around the front vent, both of the rear vents and the nozzle neck.

I think we all know that suction helps maintain airflow over a distance since the SRX has lower suction that previous models it seems that it ends up losing more over similar distances Look at this chart of the data i've collected we can see the E2 black (my sample) starts off with less flow and more suction but it's higher suction power helps it retain more of that airflow. That and the lower the flow the less resistance it will encounter.

Now I will say when I did my test of the SRX my voltage was running low at around 115 so that most likely effected the results Seeing as I got 52" of suction from the hose where others have gotten 58" So if my voltage were running closer to the usual 120 it may have better but since the SRX was brought here by a friend who lives....like 4 hours away it's not something I really have access to.



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Post# 439387 , Reply# 39   3/4/2021 at 12:59 (1,142 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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I didn't want to start a new thread for just a simple question. Is it safe to put attachments in the dishwasher. Like the floor brush, crevice tool, floor/wall brush, etc? I know the floor brush has rubber on it. I've usually washed with in the sink with soap/hot water and just put them up to dry..I just finished cleaning my nasty garage floor with my rainbow and when I was washing the squeegee brush, it made me wonder if I can put all of that stuff in the dishwasher. Thanks :)

Post# 439390 , Reply# 40   3/4/2021 at 13:31 (1,142 days old) by compuvac ( )        
@mark40511

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As long as it doesn't have any metal parts (aluminum is allowed) i wouldn't be worried.

Post# 439404 , Reply# 41   3/4/2021 at 19:47 (1,141 days old) by juju93 (South Georgia)        
box shrunk

This may sound irrelevant, but i think rexair shrunk the box size that the SRX comes in. I was on fb and saw someone posted the srx unit and then next to it was the box it comes in but the box was the same height as the machine. Now we all know the current packaging is taller than the unit, which packages the hose, wands and attachments, did rexair chnage that to only package the machine itself in a separate box? I mean I know this may sound irrelevant but I thought Id bring it up.

Post# 439489 , Reply# 42   3/7/2021 at 07:32 (1,139 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        

"Is it safe to put attachments in the dishwasher."

It usually is BUT it's best if you can turn off the heater. It may be necessary to unplug one of the wires to the heating element when washing these plastic parts.

Some types of plastic don't do well with the high heat and will discolor and become brittle over time.

Things like floor brushes can be improved immensely.

I've found that putting the spin-scrub brush assem. from my Hoover carpet cleaner in the dw really gets the lint off and returns to brushes to the original straight position.

If you're putting a bristled floor brush in remove it from the plastic body and put it in bristles down.

Good luck.


Post# 439531 , Reply# 43   3/7/2021 at 21:40 (1,138 days old) by juju93 (South Georgia)        
RainJet Question

Anyone on here know what other cleaning solutions that I can use in the rainjet accessory? I would Like to use something other than clean floor. I'm thinking about using swiffer wetjet solution and or bona floor solution and or maybe pine sol /lysol, but I'd like to make sure and ask the professionals first.


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