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Thread Number: 40424
/ Tag: 50s/60s/70s Vacuum Cleaners
kirby 514 repair advice |
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| Post# 429207 7/29/2020 at 10:15 (1,360 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
hi, i have a kirby 514 that i’ve used as my only vacuum for several years. every few years i disassemble it and give it a through cleaning. shortly after the last such servicing, the vacuum suddenly started running slower and roughly followed by smoke from the motor.
i disassembled the motor to check for any obvious problems but unfortunately i don’t know much about armatures and fields. i couldn’t find anything obvious so i lightly sanded the armature and field to remove some corrosion, and ofcouse checked the brushes and checked and repacked the bearings, however after reassembly there was no improvement. i’d really hate to have to replace my 514, as i’ve become very fond of it. i’ve come to this site for all sorts of information on my machine in the past, but couldn’t find anything like this, so i recently created an account in hopes of getting some advice. i would appreciate any help.
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Post# 429216 , Reply# 2 7/29/2020 at 11:19 (1,360 days old) by KirbyClassicIII  (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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liddykitty
Lydia,
Here's the official diagnosis info related to your 514. Since you had said your motor is both running slow and smoking, I believe the cause of your problem is the armature. The last known replacement armature was 114960 (1962-1), to be used with field 103960 (1335-1). If you ever take apart your 514 again, here is a thread from Rob that might better help you: www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bi... ~Ben | ||
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Post# 429217 , Reply# 3 7/29/2020 at 11:20 (1,360 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 429220 , Reply# 4 7/29/2020 at 13:40 (1,360 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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Thank you!
thanks guys! i’ll check the switch and brush holder wiring when i get home, i had all that apart so there is a chance. that thread by rob is very helpful, i wish i could have read that the first time i took it apart instead of just looking at the parts diagram.
it seems weird to me that the armature would suddenly go bad after 70 years, then again, maybe 70 years isn’t so sudden lol | ||
| Post# 429234 , Reply# 5 7/29/2020 at 19:15 (1,360 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
Bad
Its not bad. Its very likely the bearing has got dirt in around it and kind of forms a seal at bottom of the motor housing.
The pre ds50 motor housing is super tight and it allows more dirt in and a tighter space. I'll just warn you now don't take out the field. The screws strip and that super tight makes it hard to get everything out. I'd say I have opened 20-30 Kirby motor housings I had a ds50 flooded and rusted on I had to clean and polish it as I went and I got everything apart. The only one I failed was the classic cr1. The armature came out but the field got stripped screws. I don't want to cut up the motor housing to get it out because it's an a original one owner machine. I had a 515 field stuck but I got it out. Les | ||
| Post# 429240 , Reply# 6 7/29/2020 at 20:04 (1,360 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX) | ||
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Please keep us posted at what you find. I see your in Texas also... If you are around the DFW area, I would be happy to take a look at it for you (and fix if I can). That is too nice a machine to retire. I know I have at least one used motor for that series. | ||
| Post# 429246 , Reply# 7 7/29/2020 at 22:16 (1,360 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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| Post# 429256 , Reply# 8 7/30/2020 at 10:27 (1,359 days old) by vacuser (milford,ohio) | ||
lady with the kirby 514
if you can't fix it i will donate one to you that works.you can put your parts from yours that you like to the one i will send.let me know. i live in ohio.you can't be without your kirby.
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| Post# 429260 , Reply# 9 7/30/2020 at 10:59 (1,359 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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i took the motor assembly apart again today, to my eyes the field looks less healthy than it did the first time.
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| Post# 429262 , Reply# 10 7/30/2020 at 11:45 (1,359 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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| Post# 429265 , Reply# 12 7/30/2020 at 12:32 (1,359 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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here you are, the armature seems happier. i found the numbers 11320 and 115 601 54.
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Post# 429266 , Reply# 13 7/30/2020 at 13:09 (1,359 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 429271 , Reply# 15 7/30/2020 at 14:55 (1,359 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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it should be a 4A motor, i believe the 3A were phased out on the 513s, i just clean it with soap and water, nothing strong. it was running fine before disassembly, and for about 5 minutes after reassembly, and the motor turned as freely as i expect for a brushed AC motor. the brushes have lots of life left, about 1/2 an inch long. the other wiring seems good, though it is the original cloth insulated stuff. my power switch has always been hit and miss, i think the spring is weak, but it’s never been a problem for me.
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Post# 429272 , Reply# 16 7/30/2020 at 15:04 (1,359 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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liddykitty
Lydia,
Yes, the 513 changed from a 3 amp motor used in the first batch of machines, to a 4 amp motor starting with the second batch of machines. If you ever need a new power switch, it would be part no. 110563. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Genuine... ~Ben | ||
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Post# 429274 , Reply# 17 7/30/2020 at 15:06 (1,359 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 429279 , Reply# 18 7/30/2020 at 15:31 (1,359 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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i found some numbers on the field too if that helps anything. 11321 winco 9-53, and 115/60.
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Post# 429281 , Reply# 19 7/30/2020 at 15:59 (1,359 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 429282 , Reply# 20 7/30/2020 at 16:15 (1,359 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX) | ||
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Wow - you are digging in deep! 115/60 is 115 volt, 60 Hz power input. Nice to see an original matched motor set. Since it is apart this far, time for a complete restoration and polish, whacha think? :o) | ||
| Post# 429285 , Reply# 21 7/30/2020 at 16:49 (1,359 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Spray
I looked at the field and coil and they look good. If you have a pressure washer or a hose with a higher pressure nozzle. If you spray motor housing armature and field with degreaser and let it sit for a while. Then spray everything down and most the buildup should be taken care of.
I'd use a paper towel or rag to wipe it down and let it sit dry. If you use sandpaper you can use it on the field and the motor except on commuter the bottom copper part of armature. It will help remove any rust etc. I have seen people use a clear sealant on field and armature but I'm not aware of exactly which one works. If you do what I mentioned and clean and grease your bearings your 66 year old vacuum should run quite well. Les | ||
| Post# 429287 , Reply# 22 7/30/2020 at 17:33 (1,359 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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texaskirbyguy & KirbyClassicIII:
i’ve been told i can’t leave well enough alone lol. it is pretty cool that the internals are all original, i wasent expecting it. unfortunately as much as i would absolutely love to see it all polished up, i lack the means and funds, although i suppose i could hand polish it a bit. Lesinutah: it has quite a smell to it, i’m not sure... i suppose i could take them to the car wash, it might be worth a try. what is the sealant used for? that’s probably a silly question i know, but like i said i’m not too good with electric motors. | ||
| Post# 429298 , Reply# 24 7/30/2020 at 21:23 (1,359 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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yes, it smells like magic smoke, not horribly so, but it’s definitely noticeable. there are many little blobs on the front of the field, the band appears to be metal with cloth under it, i didn’t see any plastic. the more i look at it the more i’m convinced the field isn’t happy. i noticed my bearing plate is different than the one in your pics, mine appears to be a 1 piece unit of pressed metal with no rivets.
thank you for all your help, it’s very kind of you to go to all this effort. i really appreciate it. | ||
| Post# 429299 , Reply# 25 7/30/2020 at 21:23 (1,359 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Texaskirbyguy
There is 2 4 amp motors. There is 513 514 515 and then 516-sanitronic 7. The motor you have is the newer version. The vacuum would need motor and the field. The 514 on the fan it's a little deeper on the fan.
Measure the length of the armature and fan have her measure hers and compare to make sure it would fit. Les | ||
| Post# 429301 , Reply# 26 7/30/2020 at 23:07 (1,359 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
Make it gleam!!!
Liddy wrote:
as much as i would absolutely love to see it all polished up, i lack the means and funds, although i suppose i could hand polish it a bit. I reply: Polishing a Kirby isn't that hard and it's not that expensive but it's very rewarding. If you're a visual learner, there are tons of YouTube videos that will show you techniques for sanding out the scratches and polishing it up. You can get a polishing wheel for your electric drill for about $10-$15 at Home Depot or Lowes. Use some Mother's Mag Wheel polish and with a little persistence, you'll have it shined in no time. I did a Heritage 1HD last spring, spent maybe three hours on it and it didn't look like the same machine when I got through. If the metal is heavily oxidized, you might want to use some Barkeeper's Friend to start out. It'll knock off that oxidation in seconds. Once you've got the metal to a satiny sheen with Barkeeper's, hit it with the Mother's until it gleams, then finish it off with a good paste wax to retard further oxidation. | ||
| Post# 429303 , Reply# 27 7/31/2020 at 00:03 (1,359 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 429324 , Reply# 29 7/31/2020 at 17:05 (1,358 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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i ment polishing the case, head, exterior in general. i don’t have much in the way of power tools, but i do keep some polishes and rubbing compounds around for jewelry and use around the house. my head has some deep gouges that would need sanding, and then i would likely end up polishing the body by hand. not that thats difficult or anything, just rather time consuming on something this size.
texaskirbyguy: that’s a nice find, i was sure there would have been some interchangeability over the years, considering how many other parts are swapable between models, but this takes all the guesswork out of it. | ||
| Post# 429337 , Reply# 31 7/31/2020 at 20:52 (1,358 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Rob
That's the right field.
The easiest way to polish a Kirby is to use steel wool. You get 0000 grade steel wool. I uploaded the pic from Walmart.com it's $3.78. The second pic is mothers mag. Its $5-$7 at Walmart. You simply go over metal with the steel wool. If you have scratches it usually can get them out. I'd say twenty minutes to half hour at most it would probably get the metal in great shape. Use a cloth(I use micro fiber towels Rob uses Viva paper towels) with mothers mag and maybe 10-15 minutes it will shine just like the 510 in my picture. The steel wool is found in paint section next to sand paper. The mothers mag is in car washing waxing area. Its much much easier to polish a Kirby than to take out the motor . Dish soap is probably the best degreaser. If you fill up a small bucket with water and put a little dish soap in it. You basically wash the motor housing and motor. If you fill a big bucket the motor and everything else can actually be soaked in the water. You can use a regular hose with a simple sprayer if your not into scrubbing everything off. Les | ||
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Post# 429353 , Reply# 32 8/1/2020 at 01:57 (1,358 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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liddykitty
Lydia,
When re-assembling your motor, pay attention to the exact lengths of the two main field leads (the two that you feed the 1/4 dia. x 3" long insulation tubing over), and those for the headlight socket/wire. One will be long and the other short. As this is a model 514, it (and also models 513 and 515) has the step-type foot switch button and therefore the procedure to hook up the live and neutral wires of the field coil and headlight socket to the foot switch base will be the same as for models 516-Sanitronic VII. ~Ben | ||
| Post# 429377 , Reply# 33 8/1/2020 at 15:59 (1,357 days old) by vacuser (milford,ohio) | ||
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liddykitty(texas)
i have a nice D-50 or a D-80 or an older model i could send you if you are interested.let me know how your repair goes.it might be nice to have a real nice spare for your home.just let me know.as you can see my cat likes her kirby also. lol !
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| Post# 429380 , Reply# 34 8/1/2020 at 20:35 (1,357 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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| Post# 429385 , Reply# 35 8/1/2020 at 22:21 (1,357 days old) by vacuser (milford,ohio) | ||
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liddykitty
well it's here for you if you want it.just keep me informed.thanks for the reply.i think you would make a good home for it.i'm sure there's a closet space or corner somewhere it could reside.mine sets out in the living room just waiting to gobble up some dirt.
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| Post# 429387 , Reply# 36 8/2/2020 at 00:56 (1,357 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 429392 , Reply# 37 8/2/2020 at 02:34 (1,357 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.) | ||
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@ Les, I've never heard of a ds59 or a ds650. Can you tell me where they place in the Kirby lineup? I also thought the lighted logo on the hood was on the 562,no? @liddykitty I hope you are able to get your 514 back up and running without too much hassle, they sure are sweet little machines! Billy | ||
| Post# 429393 , Reply# 38 8/2/2020 at 02:56 (1,357 days old) by vacuser (milford,ohio) | ||
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DS-50 wrong picture
i set the wrong unit out for the DS-50 picture. that's my sanitronic VII.here's the right one.
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| Post# 429405 , Reply# 39 8/2/2020 at 13:06 (1,356 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Cunny
Nice kelter you caught me with a typo. I stayed he was showing the wrong model. My phone has auto correct. Thanks for contributing to the thread being a Grammer cop. I mean all the information I provided including Rob had the wrong armature, I stated what models would work and I corrected vacuser for showing the wrong model.
You got me on two typos. I appreciate the feedback but don't be a wallflower and jump out to correct someone when you haven't provided anything productive to the thread. Vacuser knew what I meant. Its nice when people are proactive not reactive. I don't hop along your Charmaine thread and post anything. I haven't contributed to it and I'm not going to correct anyone on that thread either. Fyi the lighted logo was only on the DS 50. If you are going to correct me atleast be accurate. 562 was the first sanitronic vacuum. It was the first Kirby to have the bag with the sani pocketand the pocket bag is what Kirby named them. Its the first vacuum to have the bag loop assembly and the bag hanger. It was the first machine with the square emtor with no sweet Aire port. Its the second to last 1 speed 4 amp Kirby. The sanitronic 7 is the last single speed Kirby. 562 is from 1962. The sanitronic 7 was made in 1963 and was the second sanitronic vacuum in the series. The dual sanitronic 50 was the first 2 speed Kirby. It was sold in 1965-1967. In 1965 it was Kirby's 50th year in business. The dual sanitronic 80 was made 1967-1969. It was the last 13" nozzle Kirby other than the heritage series had a 13" nozzle option and the Comvac 1300 was the other exception. The classic 1 was the last vacuum Jim kirby helped design. Kirby bought out a commercial cleaning company named janitronic. This is where the sanitronic name came from and where the first carpet shampoo systems were adopted from janitronic. They made janitronic commercial vacuums inspired by the janitronic company and namesake they owned. If you correct me educate yourself on the Kirby lineup. You shouldn't correct somebody when you're wrong yourself. Your welcome for the Kirby education I just provided for you. Les | ||
| Post# 429411 , Reply# 40 8/2/2020 at 13:55 (1,356 days old) by vacuser (milford,ohio) | ||
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kirby correction rant | ||
| Post# 429413 , Reply# 41 8/2/2020 at 14:03 (1,356 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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I hijacked it | ||
| Post# 429416 , Reply# 42 8/2/2020 at 15:00 (1,356 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.) | ||
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Thanks Les, for the info on the 5xx's, my question was sincere. Dad always said if you don't know something,ask. Sorry if my question offended you it wasn't meant to at all. | ||
| Post# 429423 , Reply# 44 8/2/2020 at 20:16 (1,356 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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I apologise
For being a complete Ace when someone wasn't correcting my grammar but had a real question.
I get emails on how I'm incorrect in my posts. I'm going to name people who have called me Putin the past. I also have read my posts and I myself agree it looked like a third grade kid wrote it. Kelton from Colorado springs, Vaclab, abc placenta, luxlife, a007kirbyguy and more. I have never been called out by Billy or kirbykelter and I apologise to him. I'm very defensive in replies. Billy is one of the nicest people on the board. I'm writing I was wrong assuming someone who has never been rude at all and I wish I could delete the the post but it's over 6 hours old. I'm going to assume Billy will direct his questions to more courteous people like Rob and other members. I'm sorry Billy I was wrong and I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings in anyway. Les | ||
| Post# 429454 , Reply# 45 8/3/2020 at 15:59 (1,355 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.) | ||
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Thankyou Les What you wrote is very nice and appreciated. I really enjoyed the emails and talking about the muscle cars we once had too. @liddykiddy, Once your back up and running, is there a chance we could hear it running? | ||
| Post# 429465 , Reply# 46 8/3/2020 at 17:32 (1,355 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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| Post# 429660 , Reply# 47 8/8/2020 at 14:32 (1,350 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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Done!
I got it all back together last night, and, sense it was such a popular recommendation, gave it a polish as well. A huge thank you to texaskirbyguy for the parts! i’ll be posting a video later in the day, but i have to wait for the little one to nap first. thank you everyone, y’all were a big help.
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| Post# 429680 , Reply# 48 8/8/2020 at 22:17 (1,350 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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Post# 429682 , Reply# 49 8/8/2020 at 22:36 (1,350 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 429683 , Reply# 50 8/8/2020 at 22:48 (1,350 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
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| Post# 429685 , Reply# 51 8/8/2020 at 23:04 (1,350 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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Post# 429686 , Reply# 52 8/8/2020 at 23:13 (1,350 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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liddykitty
Lydia,
What is the serial number on your 514, please? If it is 482227 or lower, its rug nozzle will have the same brush roll with the shorter (1") adjusting screws; if so, this means you cannot straight away install a new 13" brush roll unless the longer 1-3/8" adjusting screws are removed in favor of the original brush roll's 1" long screws. Also, when changing out screws, do not remove both of them at once, since leaving one of the screws alone during replacement will act as a guide. ~Ben This post was last edited 08/08/2020 at 23:40 | ||
| Post# 429687 , Reply# 53 8/8/2020 at 23:28 (1,350 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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Post# 429688 , Reply# 54 8/8/2020 at 23:32 (1,350 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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liddykitty
Lydia,
Yours originally did have the nozzle with the 1" long adjusting screws. Here is where I got the info about the brush roll adjusting screw differences for models 513/514. ~Ben
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| Post# 429689 , Reply# 55 8/8/2020 at 23:33 (1,350 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 429703 , Reply# 56 8/9/2020 at 03:07 (1,350 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.) | ||
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Very nice... Sounds like a healthy motor to me! Thanks for making the video, I know you're busy. | ||
| Post# 429728 , Reply# 57 8/9/2020 at 16:59 (1,349 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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yeah, poor dog lol, i tried to get her to stay in the kitchen but she wasn't having any of it. i’m glad i took the time to polish it, it turned out very nice. it’s running nicer now than i ever remember it doing, at some point i need to track down some accessories for it.
KirbyClassicIII, it had what i thought to be the original aluminum drum roll in place when i found it, along with a softer grey rubber belt. i guess someone must have put the longer screws in at some point. i would have liked to have left it in place but the roll was so worn out it couldn’t make contact with the floor, so it has a wooden roll now. | ||
| Post# 429790 , Reply# 59 8/11/2020 at 01:20 (1,348 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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the handle spring was an absolute pain, but i didn’t know there was a tool for it. no busted knuckles here though! basically, no one told me it couldn’t be done.
what i did, was to put the spring in place and insert the tube part way into it, then grab the hook on the spring and twist it with a pair of needle nosed pliers. then i tapped the pin through the spring with a hammer. after that i put the little metal thing that sets against the handle in place and tapped the pin the rest of the way through. then i pushed the metal thing all the way forward and poped the hook on the spring over it with a flat head screwdriver. don’t ask me how i got it in my head to do it that way, because i couldn’t tell you, but it worked... | ||
| Post# 429804 , Reply# 60 8/11/2020 at 13:17 (1,347 days old) by vacuser (milford,ohio) | ||
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liddykittys 514 | ||
| Post# 429805 , Reply# 61 8/11/2020 at 14:20 (1,347 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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vacuser
thank you for the compliments, everyone is good at something right? maybe my thing is vacuums.
all my trim is red, and i’d like to keep it all matching, but i think the bag is from a sanitronic. ive been considering getting a red bag to match. if nothing else it would be good to have a spare. if you wouldn’t mind, let me know what you have? | ||
| Post# 429822 , Reply# 62 8/11/2020 at 20:39 (1,347 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Tan | ||
| Post# 429870 , Reply# 64 8/12/2020 at 15:22 (1,346 days old) by vacuser (milford,ohio) | ||
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liddykitty bag for kirby
here are several you might like that i would give to you.if you want one or all of them let me know. any one of them would look good on it.the logo on the grey one is a little faded but would match with your red real nice.
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| Post# 429897 , Reply# 65 8/12/2020 at 22:13 (1,346 days old) by liddykitty (texas) | ||
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it doesn't show up great in the pictures, but my bag is more of a dark green color. i think dying it would make it nearly black. nice idea though, its not something i had considered.
Vacuser: i like that grey one, but i think the darker red one (with the black diamonds) might look better. would you just want me to cover shipping? | ||
| Post# 429906 , Reply# 66 8/13/2020 at 08:19 (1,346 days old) by vacuser (milford,ohio) | ||
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liddykitty kirby bag | ||
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