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Thread Number: 40221
/ Tag: 50s/60s/70s Vacuum Cleaners
Kirby Commercial Cleaner Motor Wiring Diagram |
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Post# 426977 6/15/2020 at 03:19 (1,403 days old) by KirbyClassicIII  (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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For all those of you that own at least one of the following -- Kirby Janitronic, American Lincoln Super-Sweep, Super-Vac 180 and Kirby COMVAC 1300 -- here is a sketch I did for the motor wiring diagram covering these machines.
Please let me know if I got these 100 percent correct. ~Ben
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| Post# 426980 , Reply# 1 6/15/2020 at 04:02 (1,403 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
Pretty professional-looking... looks like you copied an existing diagram lol. This implies these vacs have a normal 120v light bulb, good. I think the 12v ones that require an extra motor winding make the machine needlessly complex for no reward.
I would've drawn the LINE differently. As it is, it looks like it's a load. The input power is drawn differently, often. Usually Line and Neutral are drawn as two separate dots. But I'm just picking nits. | ||
| Post# 426987 , Reply# 2 6/15/2020 at 09:47 (1,403 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Post# 426989 , Reply# 3 6/15/2020 at 10:12 (1,403 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Lesinutah
Les,
On all Super-Sweep models from serial no. 110001 (the army green/D80 trim version), yes, they used a three-wire brass ground plate (1110) which is simply mounted on top of the foot switch using the same two mounting screws (1125). In original production, the field coil used on these commercial cleaners came with two terminal clips that were soldered to the yellow and red wires that connected to the top and bottom carbon brush assemblies (respectively) on the motor housing. But in replacement, the field coil (which is exactly the same as for models D50 and D80) does not have these; therefore, if confronted with replacement, you must also order two terminal clips, which in this case must be soldered to the yellow and red wires: the field coils on the pre-1979 models (serial no. 210000 and lower) will have the same style terminal clips as used on Kirby models 519 to D80 (part no. 104559), whereas those built 1979 and later (serial no. 210001 and up) use the same style of terminal clips as found on models Classic 1CR to Heritage II (part no. 104569). Yes, I do believe I can fix the schematic part for the green (ground) wire. ~Ben This post was last edited 06/15/2020 at 13:16 | ||
| Post# 426999 , Reply# 4 6/15/2020 at 14:12 (1,403 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Ben
I'm posting pics from my thread of Comvac/super sweep.
Red is likely a power wire. One red comes from carbon brush clip the other off the coil. The headlight is white and black direct connect to the switch. Black and white from coil to the switch. Orange is ground from the carbon brush clip. I believe the orange wire connects to the brass ground plug/prong. Its basically your diagram with color variations. Les | ||
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Post# 427011 , Reply# 5 6/15/2020 at 15:59 (1,403 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 427016 , Reply# 6 6/15/2020 at 16:39 (1,403 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Umm
Im guessing on a theory.
I know there is green white orange cords. The green are what you use for example Christmas lights. They are resistant to freezing water etc. White is usually indoor type items. Generally indoor not weather proof wires. I believe orange is used in longer extension cords that are grounded. Example would be a construction site with a grounded plug. I'm guessing they changed it because commercial application or electrical certifications use the colors for commercial grounded wire. It could be green for consumer and orange for commercial. Les | ||
| Post# 427017 , Reply# 7 6/15/2020 at 16:44 (1,403 days old) by Hmc1981 (St. Augustine, Florida) | ||
1300 | ||
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Post# 427022 , Reply# 8 6/15/2020 at 18:00 (1,403 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Les, and Chris,
According to all the distributor catalogs I have read, they say to use the 103967 (1332-1A) field coil in replacement, even in the years when the original ones (103966 and 103977) had been made. Some parts were exclusive to original production. You just might be correct about the original commercial-use field coils having the orange wire substituted for the yellow one. However, I have not yet seen an original field coil from a pre-1979 Super-Sweep yet. ~Ben | ||
| Post# 427025 , Reply# 9 6/15/2020 at 19:23 (1,402 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX) | ||
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The benefit of the later 12V bulbs is longer bulb life due to a thicker filament. They were probably cheaper, too, due to it being just an 1156 auto back up bulb. | ||
| Post# 427027 , Reply# 10 6/15/2020 at 20:37 (1,402 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Cheaper | ||
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Post# 427039 , Reply# 11 6/16/2020 at 02:15 (1,402 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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LesinUtah
Les,
Now I see about the other shorter red wire running between the foot switch and the carbon brush assembly. I think that might also have been part of the changes for the 1979 Super-Sweep. Anyways, the carbon brush caps (this design dates back to the Kirby Classic Omega 1CB) have a 90-degree slant on them. ~Ben | ||
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Post# 427084 , Reply# 12 6/16/2020 at 21:58 (1,401 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 427095 , Reply# 13 6/16/2020 at 22:54 (1,401 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Correct
The brass plate is held by two screws and the lug goes over the top of it.
The switch iirc has hhhh wwwww and two gg Hot neutral ground. The red goes into one of the two g ports. I just assumed incorrectly on the red wire. I think it's the screws holding the brass plate and on top of the plate is ground lug . The screws I'm pretty sure are brass and are used to attach the plate and lug all while grounding the prong/lug on the body of vacuum via the screws. Nice catch but you catch everything. Les | ||
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Post# 427429 , Reply# 14 6/20/2020 at 18:45 (1,398 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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LesinUtah
Les,
The 1981 Southwest Manufacturers & Distributors parts catalog has a wiring diagram drawing for the Super Sweep. That is how I came up with my version of the drawing. But, thanks to you and others, I am going to make a new version of it to reflect also the short red wire that goes between the foot switch and the bottom carbon brush assembly. ~Ben This post was last edited 06/20/2020 at 19:21 | ||
| Post# 427440 , Reply# 15 6/20/2020 at 22:14 (1,397 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Post# 427981 , Reply# 16 7/1/2020 at 17:44 (1,387 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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LesinUtah
Les,
I have noticed recently that some of the connections by the foot switch are actually soldered together, or actually emerge from the field coil itself, including the yellow/orange and red wires serving the top and bottom carbon brush assemblies respectively (at least these two wires might be soldered). There are only four direct connections to the foot switch: HEADLIGHT SOCKET * The white headlight wire into the third "W" slot. * The black headlight wire into the second "B" slot. FIELD COIL * The white wire from the field coil into the first "W" slot. * The green wire from the field coil into the first "B" slot. The brass plate for the 3-wire cord set apparently acts as its own conductor. ~Ben This post was last edited 07/01/2020 at 18:15 | ||
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Post# 427983 , Reply# 17 7/1/2020 at 19:05 (1,387 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Revised Wiring Diagram
Let me know what you think of this one (updated to include more info).
~Ben
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| Post# 427992 , Reply# 18 7/2/2020 at 00:33 (1,386 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Good
I am adding a pic of a prior post.
I'll take apart vacuum this weekend for the wiring. The two white are connected to switch so are the two black. I believe the orange is ground wire on the switch. I'll double check but that's mmy guess. Les
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Post# 427993 , Reply# 19 7/2/2020 at 00:36 (1,386 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Les,
I would love to see what the wiring to the foot switch on your Super-Sweep looks like, with the brass plate removed and the cover swung open. ~Ben This post was last edited 07/02/2020 at 01:13 | ||
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Post# 428037 , Reply# 20 7/2/2020 at 16:58 (1,386 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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LesinUtah
Les,
These pictures, two of which include a model 519, were sent to me by Luke Gebhart. His 1979 Super-Sweep has had a rough life under its prior ownership, going by several original parts having been replaced, including the cord (now gray instead of white) and the field coil. The replacement field coil on this is exactly the same as the D80's going by the presence of the yellow wire serving the top brush lead, and a green wire that goes straight to the foot switch (in the first "B" slot); the original 103977 field coil used on machines this recent had orange and black wires serving these respective purposes. ~Ben | ||
| Post# 428083 , Reply# 21 7/3/2020 at 18:08 (1,385 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Ben
My bag has a painted emtor ring and I need a pipe wrench to take it off. The pics are exactly like mine.
G is ground. W is neutral and b is the positive power wires. The green is power direct to the field coil. The headlight and carbon brush are the other power wires. There is two ground wires. They ground power from the machine and goes on the backside of the switch. The ground wires have brass. Washers and ground through the motor housing. The other ground through the pluck grounds through the brass plate and any excess travels through the screws and grounds on the two screws. That vacuum is rough but it can be cleaned up. Les | ||
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Post# 428087 , Reply# 22 7/3/2020 at 19:03 (1,385 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 428103 , Reply# 23 7/3/2020 at 22:51 (1,384 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Nice | ||
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Post# 428106 , Reply# 24 7/3/2020 at 22:58 (1,384 days old) by rivstg1 (colorado springs) |
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