Whoa

"I hope that others wise up and do the same before they start posting online. Alas, that never happens...."

Not sure why there is such a malicious tone in your comment, unless I misconstrued that. Or if this was just some bad blood between you and Les.

In case it isn't, I'd just like to comment that this is not Wikipedia, it is a online web forum. Everyone is welcome here no matter how much they know about vacuums or not, and the people that do not know that do their best to help, that either may be mistaken on something, mis-remember it, or not know the full history, this is how they learn and improve their knowledge. They learn from the people that do know the right knowledge and care to teach it to anyone that may be reading it.

Every member here that joins doesn't magically know a complete history of each and every vacuum, and some people may not even like vacuums in that way to begin with, they just like using all the different makes and models out there without knowing the entire play-by-play history behind them. There is nothing wrong with that. The same thing happens in car clubs and with sports fans, it's nothing new. Chasing everyone away and shaming the people that have never seen a certain particular vacuum before that evidently is so rare that maybe only 4-6 people ever seen one or remember what it is, is not going to make this a better place, only worse.

I've only been here for slightly over 2 years, I found this site through Google search results when trying to find info about an old vacuum I seen in a thrift store I was curious about buying. I got a lot of history about it and it made me interested more into old vacuums enough that I decided to go back and get it. It was my first old vacuum that wasn't something that kicked around in storage from other family members and it had its own unique personality and history.

I came back to this site off and on and looked at old comments and such, curious about all these different vacuums there were, and in addition to YouTube collector's community there, the interest grew today and I also gained a greater appreciation for vacuums. I decided to join the site and hang out and for the most part never felt unwelcome with my comments. Everyone was very patient and helpful and I never got a bad impression of the site. I have seen some bad posts and bad apples here and there but every community has those so not much you can do about it, it doesn't turn me off from the website as I've seen a lot of other toxic website and comments in my time on the internet.

That being said, yes, dysonman1 is a great teacher and steward of vacuum cleaners and he definitely knows his stuff, but that doesn't mean anyone else's comments and anecdotes, or helpful ideas are not any less valid. A good community is what makes a good website with good impressions of each other, and it in turn makes people want to come here. We are all equal here in our love of vacuums - both the brand new, very ancient, and all that in between.


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Post# 426196 5/28/2020 at 22:16 (1,421 days old) by Hoover300 (Kentucky)
Checkrate/Likes I have so many questions. How did shipping get that high? When was it made? Is the handle original? Was it commissioned by Royal? I could go on and on! https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-Royal-H...

Post# 426200 , Reply# 1 5/28/2020 at 23:04 (1,421 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)
Checkrate/Likes GE Its similar to the premier hand vac. Royal commioned uprights but not handvacs on the 40's or 50's. Les

Post# 426201 , Reply# 2 5/29/2020 at 00:44 (1,421 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)
Checkrate/Likes Doesn't show me shipping cost.

Post# 426204 , Reply# 3 5/29/2020 at 01:33 (1,421 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)
Checkrate/Likes Is it even a Royal? It says 'motor made by Westinghouse Electric.'

Post# 426207 , Reply# 4 5/29/2020 at 07:31 (1,420 days old) by Hoover300 (Kentucky)
Checkrate/Likes Shipping to me is almost $50. It seems it is Royal in name only. I wonder what the logo on the bag looks like(part can be seen in one of the last pics, a ribbon with something in the middle).

Post# 426224 , Reply# 5 5/29/2020 at 18:16 (1,420 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)
Checkrate/Likes *Not Royal, but Regina* That isn't a Royal, it's a Regina. For starters, to my knowledge, Royal never used Westinghouse motors, nor did they make a straight suction hand vac. Also, go ahead & compare the early Regina straight suction upright designs to this, & this looks EXACTLY like a mini handheld version of their uprights.

Post# 426226 , Reply# 6 5/29/2020 at 19:26 (1,420 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)
Checkrate/Likes *Edit* Its not a Regina either. I'll post a zoomed in pic of the nozzle showing Westinghouse. I'd like to say I mentioned it in my post but no. Westinghouse/general electric/premier/Kenmore. They all made similar vacuums in this era. View Full Size

Post# 426228 , Reply# 7 5/29/2020 at 19:45 (1,420 days old) by Hoover300 (Kentucky)
Checkrate/Likes Also, Electrolux137 has an upright on youtube that looks like a scaled up version of this, but no r on the tag.

Post# 426229 , Reply# 8 5/29/2020 at 19:46 (1,420 days old) by Hoover300 (Kentucky)
Checkrate/Likes Royal did make a straight suction handheld, two actually. One with a small opening bag and the other with the classic Prince sized bag. They look nothing like this though.

Post# 426233 , Reply# 9 5/29/2020 at 20:51 (1,420 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)
Checkrate/Likes *I know* I know they did. I meant royal has vacuums made by stark etc. I was referring to a rebranded royal which a Westinghouse is definitely not. I have the p a Geier handvac circa 1927. Im well versed on p a Geier, royal, royal appliance and royal vacuum company history. Ben, Jeff and another member have posted on the history. Les

Post# 426298 , Reply# 15 5/30/2020 at 21:24 (1,419 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Yes, people inflate the shipping to make it look like they have a low starting price, but they pad the shipping price to include some fixed profit. It�s all smoke and mirrors...or as I like to call it...�deception and chicanery�. Jon

Post# 426244 , Reply# 10 5/29/2020 at 23:07 (1,420 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)
Checkrate/Likes Shipping is that high because a lot of sellers just guess on the shipping amount and make up numbers. Either that, or they are trying to make extra profit off the shipping. When I see that - I just skip right over it. The vacuum is made by some company and has outsourced their motor to Westinghouse. Companies were honest back then and you knew exactly who made your appliance and where.

Post# 426245 , Reply# 11 5/29/2020 at 23:34 (1,420 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)
Checkrate/Likes ...and also outsourcing back then could be a matter of pride, like this vac loudly proclaims its motor is made by a respected electrical manufacturer, Westinghouse. Not by some no-name Chinese company.

Post# 426270 , Reply# 12 5/30/2020 at 12:07 (1,419 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)
Checkrate/Likes That's a REGINA. Westinghouse made all the motors for Regina at that time in history. That machine is VERY RARE.

Post# 426285 , Reply# 13 5/30/2020 at 19:54 (1,419 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)
Checkrate/Likes Im Wrong I stand corrected. It does say Westinghouse but the big r in the center is for Regina. It sold as I post this. Les

Post# 426287 , Reply# 14 5/30/2020 at 20:41 (1,419 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)
Checkrate/Likes *Thanks to dysonman1 for setting the record straight* I tend to look to you First and Foremost for accurate information and I hope that others wise up and do the same before they start posting online. Alas, that never happens....

Post# 426313 , Reply# 16 5/30/2020 at 23:01 (1,419 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)
Checkrate/Likes *Posting* Alas, that never happens.... Yet you still post.... Id say to some people think the glass is not only half empty but it's never half full. Thanks for your continued help on vacuum information. You enlighten everybody with your knowledge. Les

Post# 426387 , Reply# 17 6/1/2020 at 21:48 (1,417 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)
Checkrate/Likes 2 *@luxlife* "I hope that others wise up and do the same before they start posting online. Alas, that never happens...." Not sure why there is such a malicious tone in your comment, unless I misconstrued that. Or if this was just some bad blood between you and Les. In case it isn't, I'd just like to comment that this is not Wikipedia, it is a online web forum. Everyone is welcome here no matter how much they know about vacuums or not, and the people that do not know that do their best to help, that either may be mistaken on something, mis-remember it, or not know the full history, this is how they learn and improve their knowledge. They learn from the people that do know the right knowledge and care to teach it to anyone that may be reading it. Every member here that joins doesn't magically know a complete history of each and every vacuum, and some people may not even like vacuums in that way to begin with, they just like using all the different makes and models out there without knowing the entire play-by-play history behind them. There is nothing wrong with that. The same thing happens in car clubs and with sports fans, it's nothing new. Chasing everyone away and shaming the people that have never seen a certain particular vacuum before that evidently is so rare that maybe only 4-6 people ever seen one or remember what it is, is not going to make this a better place, only worse. I've only been here for slightly over 2 years, I found this site through Google search results when trying to find info about an old vacuum I seen in a thrift store I was curious about buying. I got a lot of history about it and it made me interested more into old vacuums enough that I decided to go back and get it. It was my first old vacuum that wasn't something that kicked around in storage from other family members and it had its own unique personality and history. I came back to this site off and on and looked at old comments and such, curious about all these different vacuums there were, and in addition to YouTube collector's community there, the interest grew today and I also gained a greater appreciation for vacuums. I decided to join the site and hang out and for the most part never felt unwelcome with my comments. Everyone was very patient and helpful and I never got a bad impression of the site. I have seen some bad posts and bad apples here and there but every community has those so not much you can do about it, it doesn't turn me off from the website as I've seen a lot of other toxic website and comments in my time on the internet. That being said, yes, dysonman1 is a great teacher and steward of vacuum cleaners and he definitely knows his stuff, but that doesn't mean anyone else's comments and anecdotes, or helpful ideas are not any less valid. A good community is what makes a good website with good impressions of each other, and it in turn makes people want to come here. We are all equal here in our love of vacuums - both the brand new, very ancient, and all that in between.

Post# 426437 , Reply# 18 6/3/2020 at 10:22 (1,415 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)
Checkrate/Likes The hand vac was made by Regina and went as a companion to these uprights. There were attachments for the upright as well as an air-driven floor polisher attachment. These machines were made into the 1950's and had so much suction you sometimes didn't need a beater-brush to get the rug clean. View Full Size

Post# 426459 , Reply# 19 6/3/2020 at 21:09 (1,415 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)
Checkrate/Likes *Never mind* I�ve offended too many people already. This post was last edited 06/03/2020 at 21:41