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Thread Number: 39909
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
What will the CCP Virus mean for Kirby? |
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| Post# 423646 , Reply# 2 4/17/2020 at 09:29 (1,463 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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| Post# 423648 , Reply# 3 4/17/2020 at 10:14 (1,463 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211) | ||
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| Post# 423649 , Reply# 4 4/17/2020 at 10:50 (1,463 days old) by Kirbyg6 (York) | ||
I think Kirby needs to stop with all these boring colour changes stop designing the same boring machine over and over again and actually do a total redesign this design is 30 years old Kirby you need up your game and stop designing the same machine over and over again and design something that’s user friendly.
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Post# 423652 , Reply# 5 4/17/2020 at 12:28 (1,463 days old) by gottahaveahoove  (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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I wondered about Kirby and the like, too.
I think masks will be "commonplace" well into the future. I'll be wearing one, once the college is reopened.
Kirby(s) are big, heavy, and expensive machines. I have TWO here for sale. A lot of vacuum companies keep "changing" designs, etc. I've stood in the K factory and have seen production. Although Kirby vacuums are not for me, I'd hate to see another American company go under. | ||
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Post# 423653 , Reply# 6 4/17/2020 at 12:31 (1,463 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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I'm sure that when the country gets "up and running& | ||
| Post# 423654 , Reply# 7 4/17/2020 at 12:50 (1,463 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
I'm Sure In-Home Sales Have Been Decimated
For the time being and some companies might go under.
As far as a redesign, Kirby would have to be careful not to foul up the top performer that already exists. Remember the Porsche 911, Chevy Camaro/Corvette, and Ford Mustang? With some exceptions (i.e. the dark 1970's for American vehicles), these models (especially the 911) held onto their respective basic formulas. Major improvements only came after decades of small tweaks. Only now has the Chevy Corvette moved its engine placement. Kirby's last major step forward was the installation of the tech drive which makes the G series much easier to push on pile carpets. But Kirby hasn't been merely sitting by the wayside spitting out varying color changes, statistically significant performance improvements have occurred, albeit slowly. | ||
| Post# 423656 , Reply# 8 4/17/2020 at 12:58 (1,463 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
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NYC Distributors
Hershel,
Via Kirby's website I found 2 Bronx and 1 Queens dealers. Not that far away from Brooklyn. Bill
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Post# 423658 , Reply# 9 4/17/2020 at 13:11 (1,463 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Bill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Post# 423666 , Reply# 10 4/17/2020 at 14:04 (1,463 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
@ABCVacPlacentia
I'm part of the" helpful hints " Kirby salesman Facebook group. I can assure you they started knocking on doors as soon as a stay-at-home order was issued in their state. These people don't care about anything but selling they're ruthless. They continue to go door-to-door and continue to selling vacuums. I'm not for government intervention. But in this one case I believe Kirby sales do need to stop. | ||
| Post# 423679 , Reply# 11 4/17/2020 at 18:41 (1,463 days old) by S31463221 (Frenchburg, KY) | ||
Not sure about Kirby 
But I talked with my Aerus distributor and they are allowing a non-invasive system of sales. In other words, they will handle any payment matters over the phone, and ship the vacuum straight to the buyer’s door. Obviously not ideal for the door-to-door selling method, but these times call for adjustments if a business wishes to survive!
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| Post# 423692 , Reply# 12 4/18/2020 at 01:44 (1,463 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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I wanted to show the screenshots of the Kirby salesman continuing business during the pandemic.
I don't see any of the precautions that should be taken done here. | ||
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Post# 423698 , Reply# 13 4/18/2020 at 06:36 (1,463 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Not just Kirby--but ALL DTD brands will be affected!Why just Kirby? | ||
| Post# 423711 , Reply# 15 4/18/2020 at 14:12 (1,462 days old) by ABCVacPlacentia (California) | ||
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Tolivac Read the first sentence of my original post. | ||
| Post# 423713 , Reply# 16 4/18/2020 at 15:12 (1,462 days old) by beagledad (Florida) | ||
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bisonian People like Warren Buffett also know when to cut their losses. Not everything can be saved or turned around and these people are quick to stop the bleeding. | ||
| Post# 423715 , Reply# 17 4/18/2020 at 15:38 (1,462 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
Keep in mind that the door to door Kirby salesmen are not directly endorsed by Kirby. Kirby does not set rules for how to operate or what they can and cannot do. What happens is someone can apply to sell Kirbys as a franchisee, and then that person can hire sub-workers under him to go out and sell them door to door. Think of it as how a car dealership works - basically the same concept. They are paid the vacuums to sell by Kirby, and then they try and make back what Kirby charged them by selling those vacuums.
What happens is the employees get paid on commission and only after they have made a sale. If you do not make a sale - you do not get any money. This is why they are out there going so hard and are so pushy and rude to get the vacuum in your house. They have to make the sale or they don't get money - so they just wander around trying to sell people a $2,000 vacuum so they can make maybe 15% of that amount as a paycheck. I have no idea how people work like that and think it's a way to make money. I do think Kirby needs to stop with the door to door sales method and they need to either sell their vacuums at retail, or online, or something. Door to door sales do not work anymore and haven't for the last 20 years. Also PS: This Kirby salesman was charged with fraud for trying to con people out of money saying their Kirby vacuum was recalled and needed parts replaced. He would then take their vacuum and pawn it off or try and sell it to someone else. www.jconline.com/story/ne... | ||
| Post# 423720 , Reply# 19 4/18/2020 at 19:49 (1,462 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
I love Kirby vacuum cleaners and own seven of them, along with a good assortment of tools and accessories but there is no way in hell I would let a Kirby strong-arm salesman through my door—no way, no how, not happening. COVID-19 notwithstanding, the two albatrosses around Kirby's neck these days are the aforementioned sales scum and an abundance of good, used machines that are readily available for maybe a tenth the cost of a new one.
Even if Kirby takes a hands-off approach to its independent sales force in the field, plausible deniability can only go so far. They are the face of the company, as far as the consumer is concerned and thus they put a huge stain on the company's public image. Kirby would do well to put an end to door-to-door sales as the artifact of a bygone era that it is and set about reinventing its sales formula. I have no problem with the idea of independent franchisees but the company the represent should hold them to a higher ethical standard. As far as redesigning its core product, that would need to be approached with extreme caution to keep from sacrificing the things that make a Kirby uniquely a Kirby. Just how much plastic would a Kirby buyer tolerate? | ||
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Post# 423722 , Reply# 20 4/18/2020 at 20:42 (1,462 days old) by Air-WayCharlie (USA) |
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Post# 423804 , Reply# 23 4/20/2020 at 00:32 (1,461 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Non recycle goods------those go to the LANDFILL where they could be discovered by someone later!On the way to there they get crunched in the trash truck compactor-then under the steel spiked wheels of a 200,000 pound landfill compactor-dozer!It goes back to the Earth alright in a different form! | ||
| Post# 423913 , Reply# 24 4/21/2020 at 20:53 (1,459 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.) | ||
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Perhaps it's time to call it quits on these metal boat anchors. I mean come on....
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| Post# 423947 , Reply# 25 4/22/2020 at 01:03 (1,459 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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@gregvacs28
Pretty much all those reviews are related to the salesmen and the forced/pushy sales pitching - as I stated was the main flaw the the company. They need to stop doing that and find a different way to market the vacuum. The vacuum itself isn't the issue, it's Kirby as a company. Cut off the door to door sales and give it some time and they will bounce back from it.
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| Post# 423962 , Reply# 27 4/22/2020 at 09:50 (1,458 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
Has
Kirby's in home demos are almost extinct since avalir platform came out. I do remember a few demos right around the 100th anniversary.
I think the demo team fields calls sales vacuum 800-1200. It has been like this for 4 years. There still around hanging on. I know Kirby doesn't change but Warren buffet will not let that happen. If you don't change and lose money Berkshire Hathaway will sell or liquidate the company. They did it to Sears after Sears Kmart wasn't fruitful. Sears was the biggest company in the world. If he did this to them don't think for a second he won't do the same for Kirby. I really don't know how there profitable. They will change or they will die. Imagine Kirby vacuum from trip. It would be like a boxier powercast vacuum. I love Kirby and I hope something changes. We shall see since every company is losing money right now. This may be the beginning of the end. Les | ||
| Post# 423974 , Reply# 28 4/22/2020 at 16:35 (1,458 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
 If you are a previous Kirby owner, they would still want to drop one off at your home and let you sign the purchase agreement. I bought one like that and did not want another demo. That way they register your purchase with the Kirby Company and give you copies of the factory warranty etc. It also keeps them legit with Kirby's rules......Make sure you use an authorized dealer to do this......Kirby website can help you find a dealer.
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| Post# 423986 , Reply# 29 4/22/2020 at 19:33 (1,458 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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I can rebuild my Kirby vacuums very well. I will not spend $1200 on an avalir that my sentria I replaced the nozzle. If I changed handle bag and trim it's an avalir or avalir 2. I have the carpet shampooer and the multi surface cleaner for an avalir.
I only buy Kirby parts and fans, carbon brushes, bulbs, rollers, belts I have enough to fix it if anything happens. I'm getting at there demo team is almost non existent since avalir came out. We have covid-19 and if it was non existent then it could be done away with. If Kirby isn't making money there will be changes. I don't mean bag changes I mean new design new material and maybe more than one vacuum. Berkshire did it to Sears and you can bet on your life they will do it to Kirby. If Kirby still doesn't turn a profit they would go to tti or Hoover or history books. I'm strongly suggesting there will be monumental changes. Kirby could make upright and move to Central vacuums too. With everything happening it may be what we want and they keep American vacuum cleaner company open. If it is in financial woes things will change. I base my information on Berkshire Hathaway. I had business classes and Warren buffet president of berkshire Hathaway is good. I have a majority of my stocks in his investments or businesses and they fare well. Mr buffet is a good person. He drives I believe a 1979 vehicle. He lives in the same house for a long time. Idk he's complete opposite of trump and he's the best businessman the United States has ever seen but Bezsos I have not studied but he may be better. Les | ||
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Post# 424016 , Reply# 31 4/22/2020 at 22:48 (1,458 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Good point! | ||
| Post# 424025 , Reply# 34 4/23/2020 at 00:09 (1,458 days old) by beagledad (Florida) | ||
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If a restaurant sees an item on the menu is selling poorly then they will remove that item. Of course they wouldn't shut down the whole restaurant. Just like Berkshire Hathaway would eliminate the Kirby product from Scott and Fetzer if it's underperforming. | ||
| Post# 424027 , Reply# 35 4/23/2020 at 00:27 (1,458 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Misunderstood | ||
| Post# 424030 , Reply# 36 4/23/2020 at 01:57 (1,458 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
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| Post# 424044 , Reply# 37 4/23/2020 at 10:16 (1,457 days old) by bisonian (Where the buffalo roamed! (Ocala, FL)) | ||
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Beagledad Point taken. But I respectfully repeat my original question: Does anyone have any FACTUAL information, such as sales or revenue numbers, to indicate Kirby is not performing well in the marketplace? Idle, uninformed speculation is useless. | ||
| Post# 424109 , Reply# 39 4/23/2020 at 23:47 (1,457 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Relevance
I'm implying a scenario. It's not speculation that covid 19 is going to put a hurt on everything. Cars are down 10% In value from last year. Cars have alot bigger market than z vacuum.
Buffetts partner said this is the worst tradgedy in his life in financial terms. You can pretend there is no validity to my claims but half of the companies in American are closing. This is and could rival the depression. It could surpass it. I didn't pull up info former poster did it for me. When the report was released there breaking even. If you think after covid-19 there going to break even or make big profits not happening. There going to lose money or really lose money. Wear those Rose colored glasses all you want. We will see how Kirby does in the red. You think they can get back to breaking even fast please explain to me or show me some facts. If you answer this I'll do research and show you that there's alot of truth to my ramblings. Les | ||
| Post# 424203 , Reply# 44 4/25/2020 at 09:41 (1,455 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Dang
I have a 2004 Corolla ce basic edition
I have a RAV4 2010 v6 borla exhaust and you can't get cold air intake on this model. It goes 0-60 in 6.1 seconds. I pulled up next to a Honda Accord with a fart can muffler single muffler. It had a dual exhaust tip. The muffler reduces horsepower. He wanted to raise. We get next to him we both punch it at 35 mph 3 car lengths and I hear his blow off valve. This means he has a cold air inducted turbo. If he spent the same money on a m Borla muffler it would add airflow increasing horsepower. Instead 3-4k in performance parts and a muffler that decreases it. I blew his doors off it was funny. I had to tell the story to make myself feel better about not getting a car delivered. I will compliment you on Toyota. The cars this year are down 10%. If it was 20k it's 18k. I just wonder if dealers are adjusting the prices accordingly. Les | ||
| Post# 424259 , Reply# 46 4/25/2020 at 22:08 (1,455 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Neither
Am I. I have a few bills too pay. I had a 99 v6 Camry with a sunroof.
I did race at stoplights and freeway a few times. I kept up with a BMW Z3 going 125-130 mph. My brother beat a WRX when they were fi4st big. I raced one and we both got tickets. It was $350 ticket not cheap. He asked why I didn't slow down. I told him I already was getting a ticket for speeding I didn't see the point he wasn't going to give me a warning for slowing down. I really don't like cops. Im no longer the fastest speeder. If I had $500 Car market is going to feel the hurt. I'd love a new Toyota 86. I'd take any new Toyota. If you have cash every large market is going to crash. You will get houses, cars and other goods cheap. I remember 2002 and 2009. If they project this to be worse. If I had 500k loan I'd buy houses rent them out 15-20 year loan. The rent would pay for mortgage payment. In about 5 years rent would increase and house value would be up alot. The 15 years there all paid off worth double up to quadruple the value. You have to buy in the good locations. The rent market has been steady at 97-99 percent. If you lose your house you have to live somewhere. Idk info I learned from a few friends who have done it. Les | ||
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