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Trash Find—Electrolux Diplomat
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Post# 422825   4/5/2020 at 14:57 (432 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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So I rode over to a friend's apartment earlier today to drop off some supplies she had asked for and as I was leaving, I spied a familiar looking hose and wand sticking up from behind a discarded couch next to the dumpster. It turned out to be an Electrolux Diplomat canister with what appears to be a generic replacement hose (has a power switch), wand and power nozzle. Needless to say, into the car it went.

Upon closer examination, let's just say it's got some issues, which I have documented in the photos below. So let's take each piece in turn.

The Canister—Overall, it's not exactly beat up but it's missing the control knob on the top and the cord, which was probably cut off. Interestingly, the bag had been removed and the bag compartment is pretty clean. The exhaust filter is uniformly charcoal gray and has no brand markings. Definitely needs to be tossed. The power switch has a nice, solid click to it, so it's probably okay.

The Hose—As previously mentioned, the hose appears to be a generic replacement. The handle has a power switch and does not have an Electrolux logo. It's also missing a screw on the underside where the handle would plug into the wand but the plastic isn't broken (easy fix and I probably have an extra screw).

The Wand—Appears to be completely intact. There is some tape just below the plastic sheath. I'm thinking it's to hold the cord from the power nozzle in place. I think somebody got tired of it coming unplugged, which does happen occasionally.

The Power Nozzle—It's an L-shaped 'Omniflow' style with a headlight and appears to be in great shape. There's a bit of long, dark hair wrapped around the brush roll but no sign of carpet fresh powder, nor are there any foul odors.

So, what have I got? Based on a visual inspection only and no actual testing, it appears that everything except the canister itself is in usable condition. I don't know much of anything about the newer plastic canisters so I'm not sure if it's even worth saving. I'd hate to spend money on a new cord only to find there's something more serious wrong with it so my inclination is probably to trash it unless y'all can convince me otherwise. The hose is of no use to me because it has the newer style machine connector but I'm wondering whether I could transfer the handle over to another hose. I happen to have one that came with my Silverado and is in need of a handle. The other option, of course, is to replace the missing screw and sell it. Of course, the wand and power nozzle are the best parts as they are likely to be plug-and-play usable without anything more than a good cleaning with a Lysol wipe.

Speaking of Lysol wipes, I haven't brought the thing into the house and won't for a while. Right now, it's on the deck, baking in the sun. Let the UV rays work on some of the germs it may be carrying. Needless to say, I've washed the hell out of my hands since touching it. I'm thinking I'll probably carry it down to the barn and let it sit for a few days before I mess with it further.


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Post# 422827 , Reply# 1   4/5/2020 at 15:13 (432 days old) by blknblu (CT)        

It is worth fixing, I have a couple of original motors for them, and the cord is easy to repair.
The control valve is easy to bypass, and keep things simple.
There is a proper way to split the case to work on it.


Post# 422830 , Reply# 2   4/5/2020 at 15:37 (432 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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The control you could get a eureka dial a nap dial and glue it on.
Other options are online or vac shop might have the job in stock for super cheap.
Nice find.
Les


Post# 422832 , Reply# 3   4/5/2020 at 16:01 (432 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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The hose handle is now fixed. I found a screw out of the broken handle from my Silverado's hose but it was too short for missing one from the generic handle; however it would fit at the other end, allowing me to use that one, which is slightly longer than the genuine Electrolux screw, to replace its missing counterpart. Problem solved. I recall having to do something similar with the generic replacement hose that came with my Diamond J. I then connected the wand and power nozzle to one of my 1205's and powered it up. They work just fine, even the power nozzle's headlight and power switch.

So that leaves the canister, which is a bigger project/problem. I must admit blknblu, you have me intrigued. Can you point me to a resource that shows how to bypass the control valve? I found a YouTube video that shows how to take the case apart to repair the switch. The more immediate issue would be a cord. I'm guessing the easiest thing would be to replace the whole winder assembly. They seem to be plentiful on eBay. Once that's in place, we'll see whether it needs a motor.


Post# 422833 , Reply# 4   4/5/2020 at 16:12 (432 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
Testing

You can test the power nozzle if you have an old radio or mixer power cord with the two prong female end then plug it into a standard outlet. It’s 120 volt. Info provided to me from an Electrolux repair person.

For the machine you will need to open it up to gain access to the cut off cord end and put on a plug then test with an extension cord. To open it up, open the bag door then side the slide the side bumpers off towards the bag door. You’ll see that everything hangs from the top of the machine so you may want to flip it upside down when doing this step. The back end will likely flop off when you open it so don’t be too surprised.

You may not really need the automatic control dial since the inside one is there, but you’ll need to see if you need to write an arrow on the machine for setting the dial to the correct number with a permanent marker. If it starts then immediately stops and the icon with a bag filled with dots comes on then you may need to turn the automatic control dial to a different setting. If you don’t have any bags, you’ll need to test it holding the bag missing switch around the bag rim in or the ? Symbol will light up indicating there’s no bag. It’s usually a tiny switch near the bottom right corner of the bag set rim where the cardboard top of the bag sits on.

Looks like the hose is likely ok needing that screw.

So there you have the testing options to see if the power nozzle and vacuum motor works and I’d say if the motor is dead scrap the unit and sell off the hose, power nozzle and wands.

If the motor runs you’ll need to obtain a new cord reel with cord in tact which there usually are some on eBay and I think any for the plastic canisters will work. That would be the easiest. I don’t know much about the cord reel systems on the plastic canister machines as I never had one until just several months ago and they are both in very good working order but I did need to open one up to fix a problem with the automatic control dial which was misoriented.

Follow up on what you find! Fun to see what you may have here.

Jon


Post# 422834 , Reply# 5   4/5/2020 at 16:24 (432 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
No need to bypass the control valve

Looks like just the top dial is missing but the main and most important one is there so the automatic control system is likely in tact. You probably can get one at an Aerus dealer...sometimes they’ve been nice to give me used parts free if it’s something small like this. The missing dial dial just allows the lower dial to be more decorative and point to the markings on the top panel...but once you figure out which end is the 1 setting and which is the 6 setting then you will know where an arrow could be drawn with permanent marker on the top to lime up the dial and use the numbers on the dial itself rather than trying to obtain the replacement top knob.

Didn’t realize you had another Lux to try the on but good idea. The loose cord can be dealt with by unplugging the pn from the sheath cord, then use a tiny flat blade screwdriver to bend in the curved top of the feels left contact prongs a bit. There is a split in the middle of the curved section. Then the cord should stay in tighter if it’s nit unplugged frequently, but if the power nozzle is removed frequently to use a floor brush with the power wand, it’s just better to get a new sheath cord. The cord can be replaced by sliding the metal tube out of the sheath but first you have to lift up the locking tab with a flat blade screwdriver. It’s just inside the slot below the silver top push button lever you use regularly to release the handle. Once you lift the metal tab, holding it lifted, slide plastic collared the end of the metal insert out of the sheath. Then you’ll be able to push the sheath cord into the sheath so it can drop out of the end.


Post# 422835 , Reply# 6   4/5/2020 at 16:35 (432 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

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The control knobs that I have used are keyed. Maybe the older ones aren't. It could also be why they threw it out. Many of those control valves go bad. The plastic stem breaks on the inside. If you pull the knob straight out and see bits of plastic then you know it's broken.

Post# 422838 , Reply# 7   4/5/2020 at 18:26 (432 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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After reading the above posts and watching a couple of YouTube videos to get an idea of how this thing comes apart, I tore it down and discovered there is only about three inches of cord left on the winder, if that, but definitely not enough to stick a plug on and test, so I pulled it and tossed it in the bin.

The lockout control appears to be intact, although judging from the damage to the surrounding panel, I think somebody tried to pry the outer knob off with a large screwdriver. It is keyed, by the way. I also now understand how to bypass it, if necessary.

I spun the motor with my finger and it turned freely and smoothly. It's not frozen up and there weren't any scraping noises, so chances are it's in good shape.

I found a used genuine Electrolux cord winder on eBay for $10 plus shipping, so I've ordered that. I'll put everything back together when it arrives and we'll go from there.

It's amazing to me how that machine isn't held together with any screws or fasteners. It's all done with tension. I'm not sure whether to call it brilliant or crazy. One thing's for sure, it sure makes it easy to work on.


Post# 422839 , Reply# 8   4/5/2020 at 18:30 (432 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I almost forgot to add that after I cleaned everything up with Lysol wipes, I took the tape off of the wand and the power nozzle's plug falls right out. It's definitely the sheath cord. I plugged the nozzle into another wand and it held firm.

Post# 422840 , Reply# 9   4/5/2020 at 19:38 (432 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        

Yes the inner contacts for the sheath cords get worn and widen...definitely not an uncommon issue. You might be able to get one of those tiny screwdrivers in between the contact and the rubber to bend it back in a bit on each of the contacts. I’ve done it successfully several times...unless you want to buy a sheath cord.

I kinda figured the person cut the cord off and kept it to use as an extension cord... hopefully the motor will run fine. The automatic control device can also be replaced pretty easily. I’ve never had one go bad, but others mention of such so I guess so. If they were trying to pry off the knob, I’m guessing maybe that’s the problem with the machine. Replacing it is done when the machines is of course open.

Good luck. If you get it all fixed up nice, add a dusting brush/ upholstery tool, crevice tool and a floor brush maybe some wands it would be worth a couple hundred on eBay I imagine or so,etching to pass on to a friend or relative in need if not added to your own collection.

Yes, I think once they merged with the Canadian Electrolux they realized this plastic design was great for serviceability and decided to abandon the metal design and switch all units to this plastic body in the very late 90’s. Just before this also came the renaissance and guardian which have their own design. I’ve taken one of those apart once but it was 11 years ago. They only made one model of the top of the line which was the white with silver top guardian ultra using this plastic body design and apparently it was better sealed than the machine you have. After that, they started the partnership with Electrolux AB Sweden which makes the current Guardian Platinum Model, but the Lux Legacy and Classic Lux use this design of body that you have, mostly the top panels are different with the Classic not having the lights or automatic control feature and the Legacy has the automatic control, indicator lights, but a more deluxe back end to the top instead of the blower grate, it has nooks to hold the dusting brush/upholstery tool and crevice tool .

I like the color combination, very classic Electrolux...I think blue may have been their most repeated color.

Jon


Post# 422844 , Reply# 10   4/5/2020 at 22:30 (432 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I have another thought Edgar, I think the cord is inside, and the plug snapped off. With that,they said scree it! Totally I guess of course!

Post# 422847 , Reply# 11   4/5/2020 at 22:43 (432 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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David, that was my thought as well but when I tore it down and removed the cord winder and looked inside, there was absolutely no cord in left in it. Someone had pulled it out as far as it would go and cut it. Kind of irritating but there you have it. I tend to agree with Jon. Somebody likely saved it to make an extension cord—or maybe to tie up their little brother.

Post# 422849 , Reply# 12   4/5/2020 at 22:47 (432 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Post# 422875 , Reply# 13   4/6/2020 at 11:02 (431 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Plan of Action...

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Yeah, it is a bummer about the cord. The good news is I found a used, working cord winder—with cord intact—for a cheap price on eBay and it'll be here in a few days. My plan at the moment is to install the cord winder and reassemble the vacuum with the suction selector bypassed to make sure there aren't any other problems that need addressing. If everything's okay, I'll go back in and reconnect the selector and see how it works. I think I can adjust it with a big screwdriver. If I can't get it to work with the selector connected, I'll just go back in one final time, disconnect it and call it a day. Assuming everything's working at that point, I'll see about replacing the filthy after filter. Honestly, my goal with this thing is to spend as little as possible to get it working.

Post# 422885 , Reply# 14   4/6/2020 at 14:44 (431 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        

Should be able to adjust the auto control knob with needle nose pliers I would imagine. I was thinking you could put a plug end on that tiny short cord remaining then add an extension cord to it just to get it powered up enough to test if you don’t want to wait for the new cord reel to arrive.

Yes most of us enjoy the challenge of getting things back up and running for as little money as possible.

I have to say...I’ve been guilty of cutting the cords off trash find vacuums to use as an extension cord once I know the vacuum isn’t something I’m interested in or not repairable. These good condition cords, with a female end added to them, make for great “vacuum cleaner extension cords” so I can clean a larger area without having to change the plug in location by adding one to the existing cord. I keep one in my main closet with my daily drivers for convenience. I have another in my parents basement when I visit there as I’m usually the one my Mom asks to vacuum the basement as they get lots of dead bugs and spider webs down there and there are not a lot of outlets in the basement. Also, if I come across a vac with a bad cord, I have some recycled spares to use as replacements so I don’t have to buy a new cord...they tend to be expensive.


Post# 422900 , Reply# 15   4/6/2020 at 20:09 (431 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Yes, I enjoy these refurbishment projects; in fact, I sometimes enjoy them more than I should and lose sight of how much I'm spending. I just went down that path a bit with a Kirby Heritage 1HD so I need to keep to a stricter budget on this one. I will be quite happy if the cord winder is the only part I need to buy it.

I did tear down the power nozzle today to give it a good cleaning, including removing all the hair wrapped around the brush roll. I also worked on the sheath cord with a jeweler's screwdriver. and got it to where it would hold the power nozzle's cord better. I don't know that there's much else I can do until the cord winder arrives.


Post# 422905 , Reply# 16   4/6/2020 at 21:24 (431 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Coal City, IL)        

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My grandparents had one. I bought a used one years ago, but sadly it had a replacement color filter color that was white instead. Very nice machine, I'm a sucker for those lights on top

Post# 422907 , Reply# 17   4/6/2020 at 21:33 (431 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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You probably have bags for it. If you didn't you could custom make one.
You could use a cord you cut off another machine and fix or unhook the flow control.
I think price of a cord wonder is pretty good considering you have a good electrolux vacuum to use or sell.
Les


Post# 422919 , Reply# 18   4/7/2020 at 09:01 (431 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I have a total of five Electrolux canisters (a pair of 1205s, a Super J, a Silverado and a Diamond J) that use 'C' bags so I keep a good supply of third party "MultiFilter" bags on hand. The Diplomat Lx will make six, once it's complete. Right now, it's just a pile of parts so it doesn't count yet.

The cord-deprived cord winder went in the bin Sunday evening and Monday was trash day so it's already in the landfill at this point. A replacement is on the way and according to USPS tracking, it should be here by next Monday at the latest. Problem solved, hopefully.

Given my obsessive nature, the missing top knob is bothering me but I guess I'll just have to learn to let go of that unless or until I come across one or something that would make a reasonable substitute. Of course, if I end up leaving the suction selector disconnected, that will become a moot point, except for aesthetics.

I'm envisioning this being a knock-around machine once it's all put back together, something to vacuum cars with and stuff like that. It will never be the crown of my collection by any stretch of the imagination. The fact that I will have kept it out of the landfill—or most of it, at least—will be enough. That it's giving me something to do while I'm stuck at home is a definite bonus.


Post# 422925 , Reply# 19   4/7/2020 at 12:11 (430 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        

Yes once you start getting so many it becomes easy to start parting with the worse condition ones and I’ve given quite a few away to friends and family over time especially any duplicates. I’d rather they be used than just stored in closets. Though I do have about half my collection stored in a closet and the intention is future use if we get a vacation home etc. or the motors go out in one of the daily drivers. At that point I wouldn’t bother to replace a motor, but rather part the machine out.

You may search By “for parts” or “not working” added to Electrolux or Aerus to see if anyone is parting out a similar machine on eBay so you can get the knob. Sometimes a nice Aerus dealer will give you one from parts they’ve salvaged to keep you coming back so maybe you can get the knob that way. It would be nice to have it all working correctly.

I usually don’t throw any old parts away until the new stuff has arrived just to make sure the replacement is identical and will work correctly. In case that cord reel doesn’t fit you could have compared but let’s hope it all works for you soon.

Jon


Post# 422926 , Reply# 20   4/7/2020 at 12:48 (430 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Parts Lots

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Yes, I've seen those parts lots on eBay where somebody has stripped a canister down and buyers can choose the parts they need. Usually they're older metal canisters from the '60s or '70s. There isn't anything right now for a machine that new but I'll keep looking. The only thing I saw that might have a chance of working is a Lux7000 parts unit with no motor but I'm not about to shell out $80, including shipping, for it. However, I'm toying with the idea sending the seller a message to see if they might be willing to part the thing out.

There used to be an Aerus dealer a couple of miles from my house but they closed up a few years ago and there's a pizza place there now. The closest Areus dealer to me now is about 40 miles away.

You're right. I should have held onto that empty winder temporarily to compare it to the replacement but I'm reasonably certain they're the same. Oh well, what's done is done.


Post# 422938 , Reply# 21   4/7/2020 at 15:11 (430 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I wish you the best of luck on this one buddy, I had a maroon-colored 1 years ago my first and only of the plastic bodies as it was just not any good or my vacuum shop who repaired it wasn't I will stick with my Silverado now

Post# 422944 , Reply# 22   4/7/2020 at 16:26 (430 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
No-lose scenario...

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Agreed. I am and always will be much more a fan of the metal bodied canisters. That said, I don't see that I have much to lose here. Worst case scenario, if I can't get it running or it doesn't work to my satisfaction, I can always part it out and make a tidy profit. This whole venture has only cost me $17 and change for the cord winder, including shipping, so I'm not in it too deep. Any way you slice it, I win. The only thing that really changes is the nature of the prize.

Post# 422948 , Reply# 23   4/7/2020 at 17:23 (430 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I understand friend, makes sense! Mine was a couple of years old, I purchased it from newlyweds who moved in next door to me. it had aftermarket bags and it didn't sound too good but the price was right, the motor burned out in a few months. I took her to my local vacuum shop that has always handled everything and they replace the motor oh, it still didn't sound right to me being plastic so I gave it to a friend of mine with a three-story house and two kids that was desperately in need 3 years later that motor burned up and then the one that was after it. Probably just a cheap knockoff motor that the vacuum shop put in probably not the fault of the cleaner but it painted an ugly picture in my head that I didn't want any more of them us humans are weird

Post# 422952 , Reply# 24   4/7/2020 at 18:44 (430 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        

Yes guys, I think these plastic bodied machines have not so good motors in them. They make that loud high pitched noise all the vacuum cleaner motors make these days. Just doesn’t sound like a quality motor. Maybe Aerus is just importing motors from China for these models and hoping they last the period of the warranty. I have an Aerus Lux Classic and Lux Legacy both of which I obtained recently, before that I never had any experience with any plastic bodied machines except an Ambassador my Mother got free several years ago at the free exchange at the town trash transfer station (dump). They call it “the gift shop”. It’s a couple of sheds that you leave or take perfectly good things rather than throw them away. We have found so much good stuff there and at least 7 very good working Electrolux’s and an 8th that was on the fritz in the 29 years we have had our family vacation home there. Seeing that my parents don’t sit there at the dump waiting for stuff (some people actually do and they look creepy...like hoarders) and they got that many machines over the years in their weekly few minute visit there during the 3 months out of the year they live there...I’m intrigued to wonder just how many Electrolux’s pass through the place....good thing I don’t live there...just visit for a week once a year in the summer. I might have ended up with a heck of a LOT more Electrolux’s as I almost never pass up a completely free one. I did however, pass up an XXX there when I was visiting and we went to ”the gift shop”. I already have the one that was my Father’s Mom’s which is a complete set and didn’t need another and no one was in need of a suction only machine. My Mom actually tried to take the dusting brush and the lady manning the gift shop yelled at her telling her she couldn’t take the attachment. I told Mom she should have taken the entire machine, brought it home, kept what she wanted, and brought it back the rest on the next trip...but that’s ok...if so,some has it it’s got all the attachments. In that area, I rarely see other brands of vacuums passing through “the gift shop”...I think since there were a lack of big box stores in that more remote area but Electrolux had stores around and offered deliver and door to door service...Electrolux was the way to go. This is Cape Cod Massachusetts I’m talking about...and the further away from Hyannis one is where most of the bigger stores are the more hassle it is to get things like appliances but the Cape has somewhat improved over the 30 years we’ve had the family home there with more vendors and Home Depot coming there. Sears was there for a long time and most people were getting their washers and dryers there. There was an Electrolux store not far from my parents there but it has closed down, now I think there’s only one on all of Cape Cod which is much farther away from them as Cape Cod is a rather large area. Not sure why Aerus is closing down these stores, maybe the franchise owners are retiring and closing down the franchise and no one is opening a new one. I don’t ever see new Aerus franchise stores “popping up” anywhere.

I visited some friends who were renting a house for the week on Martha’s Vineyard...the house was equipped with an Electrolux...it was a reconditioned Automatic F, G, or Automatic E, I can’t remember for sure which one it was. But I thought...gee, getting parts and service all the way out here on the Island must be a hassle but I’m sure if there wasn’t a dealer on the island, he or she would surely get on the ferry and come out to you for service and I think they still will to this day but it’s a long and expensive trip especially if a car is needed on the island to get to the customer and bring a loaner.


Post# 422957 , Reply# 25   4/7/2020 at 19:39 (430 days old) by blknblu (CT)        

The 2100 series (Ambassador. LE, etc.)plastic canister vacs have dual stage motors in them, just like the older electrolux's.

That being said, I gave away to my SIL, one of mine that I upgraded to an Ametek Lamb motor (5.7"). I am currently working on another one that I am upgrading.
Here are some pics of when I was test fitting the Ametek Lamb motor.

the 2nd pic is a comparison of an original 2100 motor compared to the Super J motor. A 5.7" motor cannot fit in the Super J body, but will fit in the later metal canisters like a Silverado and later. (They made the hole larger in the metal body).

It is very easy to find the Ametek Lamb motors. The latest one I got was less than $20 (with shipping) and is only 2 years old.


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Post# 422958 , Reply# 26   4/7/2020 at 20:12 (430 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Power

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It looks like super j motor is a little bigger. I could be wrong but is it bigger.
Which motor is more powerful.
Les


Post# 422983 , Reply# 27   4/8/2020 at 10:49 (429 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Looks a little different from mine

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The motor in my Diplomat looks a little different from the one pictured in reply #25 or maybe that one just has the plastic shroud removed. Another interesting thing I noticed is the case has two sets of mounting slots about a half inch apart (see second photo), perhaps to accommodate two different motor options or some other internal variation between the base model Diplomat and my Diplomat Lx.

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Post# 422996 , Reply# 28   4/8/2020 at 12:46 (429 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
I Googled your motor

Just for ducks as Mom would say. I guess it was the plastic shroud that threw me off because appearance wise, it didn't look like what I've seen in mine. Super J is my newest so... Anyway, the prices for a new 6500-234 run the gamut from about 65.00-89.00 new, of course you can do better with a little checking on the internet.I bet yours will be OK once you get power to it. They (?) say it's a good vacuum cleaner, the last of the metal shelled. I have a feeling that "new motor" isn't in the cards for this project, lol.

Post# 422998 , Reply# 29   4/8/2020 at 13:11 (429 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
'Good' motor

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Yes, I'm guardedly optimistic that the motor is okay. It turns freely and smoothly with no rough spots. And it's nice to know I might have one of the 'good' motors in mine. In the hopefully unlikely event the motor is bad, there will not be a replacement. I will cut my losses and part the unit out with members here getting first dibs.

Given the physical damage to the upper cover around the suction control, my guess is that's the source of whatever problem landed this machine next to the dumpster. For that reason, its going back together with the vacuum line from the bag door to the suction control disconnected once the replacement cord winder arrives.


Post# 423037 , Reply# 30   4/8/2020 at 20:45 (429 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Motor

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The motor looks like it's in good shape. The electrical connections look very good.
You may have cleaned it up but it looks healthy to me.
Les


Post# 423041 , Reply# 31   4/8/2020 at 21:46 (429 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Clean as a whistle...

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Yes, it was that clean when I opened it up. All I did to it was give it a good wipe down with a paper towel and some 409. That's a big part of what motivated me to go ahead, replace the cord winder and try to get it running. It still remains to be seen if my instinct proved to be correct but I'm thinking the odds will be in my favor.

Post# 423373 , Reply# 32   4/13/2020 at 15:52 (424 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
IT'S ALIVE!!!!

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The cord winder finally arrived about 45 minutes ago and I just got everything back together successfully. Getting everything lined up to slide those trim strips back into place is harder than it looks in the YouTube videos.

I put it back together with the suction control disconnected and when I turned it on, it ran perfectly—no bad noises or anything and plenty of suction. Doubtless that control was the problem so I'm just going to leave it disconnected and not worry about it. When I attached the hose, wand and power nozzle to the canister, the power nozzle didn't power up first try. It turns out I had the switches turned off on the hose and the power nozzle. That's just too many switches! Granted, the one on the generic hose wasn't Electrolux's idea.

I had hoped to have this done on Saturday but USPS had other plans. Online tracking showed it out for delivery Saturday but the carrier had other plans. By a little after 6:00 p.m., the message had changed to saying the package was being held at the post office "at the customer's request". Total BS!!! A short time after that, I took a little drive up my street and counted no less than seven mailboxes with their little red flags raised, indicating outgoing mail that wasn't picked up because the carrier never went up our street.

Things got even weirder when I went to the post office this morning to retrieve my package. After a little hemming and hawing, I was told it was back out for delivery and the attitude of the lady behind the counter indicated she resented my audacity at asking for my package and that it should be perfectly alright for the carrier not to do his or her job. I honestly had my doubts whether the package was going to be delivered today since online tracking was never updated and it showed it was being held at the post office until after it was actually delivered.

Oh well, at least it's all back together and working now, so the only thing left to do is order some after filters. Hopefully USPS can handle that delivery. I didn't need another vacuum at all, but I'm glad I spotted it and saved it from the landfill—or most of it, anyway.


Post# 423383 , Reply# 33   4/13/2020 at 17:20 (424 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Glad you got your pkg

from USPS! Not at all surprised at the runaround you were given. A friend of mine is retiring this summer from the postal service after 25 yrs. His mom retired 5 yrs. ago. He says management is a joke there. There's no cohesion and that everyone there is just counting the days to their retirement. There's no oversight to speak of. There are drivers who show up for work in the am, they go in to the office and stamp their time card and then head back out to their cars for a couple more hours of sleep.Management knows, they just don't really care enough to do anything about it. He says they don't carry insurance on the delivery trucks and that if there's an accident, they just pay cash, they don't contest most claims, just pay it. I don't know how they get away with that, but he says it's always been that way. If you or I wanted to drive without an insurance policy we'd have to post a rather large sum, of money up front, I don't know if DMV holds the money or what happens to it.Anyway he tells me they have a large area where all the lost mail eventually goes after they have repeated tried to find the sender or receiver. They don't open the envelopes they just put the mail in huge carts and at some point in time when there is just too much to store, it all goes out in either a freight car or tractor trailer to an undisclosed location where the containers are lowered into the water to go "swimming with the fishes." Another member here is toying with the idea of using his mothalator or crystalator on his model G as a secondary filter. Should be interesting, sounds like a neat idea as long as it doesn't labor the motor excessively. This last project went fairly fast for you it seems, glad you could save a worthy machine from the land fill!

Post# 423401 , Reply# 34   4/13/2020 at 19:42 (424 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Yes, almost as soon as I got home with that machine, I made the decision that this was going to be a limited project, into which I was not going to dump a lot of resources. I guess I got off lucky that there was nothing more wrong with it than what I found. It kind of amazes me that people toss nice machines like that with so little wrong with them. I'm just glad to be able to see the potential and bring such gems back from the brink.

Post# 423408 , Reply# 35   4/13/2020 at 20:25 (424 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Coal City, IL)        

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Edgar are you still short a turn knob for the automatic control? If I recall right, I have a parts 2100 up in the attic with the knob on it still. You are welcome to it providing i have it

Post# 423456 , Reply# 36   4/14/2020 at 08:14 (424 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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That would be splendid. Thank you.

Post# 423469 , Reply# 37   4/14/2020 at 12:51 (423 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Diplomat test run...Success!

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So I decided the only thing left to do on this little project was give the Diplomat a test run and all I can say is it was anything but 'diplomatic'. It's an all-out dirt-hungry beast! I ran it for about 10-15 minutes with no problems of overheating or anything else. If a previously undetected problem was going to manifest itself, I think it would have in that amount of time. Also, no bad odors, which is always a plus on an unfamiliar machine. The vacuum itself is very quiet, like an Electrolux canister should be, but the power nozzle is LOUD! Scared the hell out of my cats, who have yet to come out of hiding. I don't think there's anything wrong with the nozzle's motor; let's just say it has a fairly aggressive tone—with performance to back it up. Like other L-shaped nozzles I've tried, this one is a little cumbersome in tight quarters. For my needs, the square PN2 and PN4 are better bets. Maybe one day when I'm kind of bored, I'll pull out a couple of different power nozzles and compare their sound. But for now, I'm calling this little project a success and a good save.

Post# 423474 , Reply# 38   4/14/2020 at 13:52 (423 days old) by Paul (USA)        

Good save ... "non-diplomatic" comment in reply #37 - funny! Here's some Electrolux Corp. background regarding its two longtime tank designs:

1) The Automatic Model 2100s with 8-amp motors (Hi-Tech, Special Edition, & Regency Series 2000) were the first of the plastic-bodied Electrolux tanks in the U.S. While the U.S. company bought the majority of the Canadian company's majority shares in 1961, the passing of NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) made it more cost-effective to merge production in 1985. So the Canadian plants were closed, and all manufacturing was moved to Bristol, VA, They were an update of the E-2000, which was launched in Canada in 1982. The biggest cosmetic change was the addition of the tool holder with the Epic 6000SR in 1992. Followed by the Epic 6500SR in 1993, the Lux 7000 in 2002, and the Lux Legacy in 2004 (current model name). Those sold in stores since c.2000 were made without the holder, including the greige & black 2100 (C141A & C141F), Lux 5000 (C141C & C141E) with electric wands, Lux 5500 with standard wands, and the 80th anniversay Ultralux (C152E & C152F) with preset airflow sensor rather than dial-controlled. Eureka motors were used in models from 2002-2009, and JEI motors since then.

2) The Non-Automatic 8-amp motor Model 1623s (L-E, Special Edition, & Regency Series 1000) were updates of the 1982-85 Canadian E-Special. Other U.S. model names (some with different model numbers based on upgrades) have been: Model 90, Ambassador, Ambassador Plus, Ambassador II, Ambassador III, Lux 5000 (C101K), Lux 2000, & Ultralux 2000. The current version's model name is Lux Classic (C151H). Again, Eureka motors were used from 2002-2009 and JEI motors since that time.

3) The original Diplomat, Model 1677, in light sand gray and regatta blue originated in 1989 with the new HP (High Peformance) 9-amp motor and most often included the Model 1751 pn. In 1991 Electrolux introduced its lighted pn, so 'LX', the abbreviation for 'Lux' (meaning 'illumination'), was added to the model name (see the silver coronet on your cleaner's label). The pn model most typically paired with the Diplomat LX was the 1750. The model name ended in 1993. The tank's model number and other specifications are listed on the inner bag door. Both Diplomats were sold with the classic braided vinyl white & blue hose, Sidekick 1562, 2 metal tool wands; textured light sand gray floor brush w/metal brush holder; small combo tool; and standard long crevice tool.

Glad that your test run was a success. Hopefully, it will give you long-lasting service. Enjoy!



Post# 423487 , Reply# 39   4/14/2020 at 14:52 (423 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Interesting informatin, Paul. I really knew nothing about the plastic bodied canisters before I encountered this one. Mine came paired with a model 1692 power nozzle, FWIW. I don't know that I'd call myself a plastic body convert at this point but I definitely have a new appreciation for them.

Post# 423494 , Reply# 40   4/14/2020 at 15:20 (423 days old) by Paul (USA)        

I'm with you, Edgar; in preferring the metal-bodied ones but have a secondary interest in those that are housed in plastic. Since acquiring a Special Edition 1623 with pn 7B and a Hi-Tech 2100 with a PN6, and seeing such a wide variety of model names and colors for tanks and their pn's, I have been researching them in my attempt to find compatible and matching-colored parts; along with original standard tools.



Post# 423570 , Reply# 41   4/15/2020 at 17:52 (422 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Power Nozzle Sound-Off...

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So I noticed the mats in one of my bathrooms desperately needed vacuuming so I decided that was good excuse for overkill and to play around a little more with my Diplomat, so I had a little 'sound-off' with a representative of each of my Electrolux power nozzles—a PN1, PN2, PN4A, PN5, and the model 1692 that came with the Diplomat—and gave each one a go on the mats. I kept the vacuum out in the hallway so I was primarily listening to the sound of the power nozzle. Although I have two PN2's and three PN4/4A's, I only used used one of each for this test. So here are my (decidedly unscientific) results in the order that I tested them:

• Model 1692: Easily the loudest and highest pitched of the lot. Sounded almost like a pissed off cat.
• PN5: Slightly quieter than the 1692, or at least lower pitched, but still pretty loud.
• PN4A: Markedly quieter than the previous two with a pitch somewhere in between a purr and a growl, not unpleasant at all.
• PN2: Surprisingly, given the design similarities it shares with the PN4A, it was nearly as loud as the PN5 and similarly pitched.
• PN1: Definitely the quietest and most refined sound of all. Solidly in the purr category.

I realize this isn't a very scientific test; I realize it's possible two different PN's of the same model could sound different, there are just a bunch of variables to account for, but there you have it.





Post# 423635 , Reply# 42   4/16/2020 at 21:03 (421 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
Plastic bodied machines

I too never had one of these plastic bodied machines until last year when I acquired two of them. An Aerus Classic Lux in deep gray with black top and a light powder blue with medium blue trim Aerus Lux Legacy. They both the main machines and power nozzles sound nearly identical to each other and my other L shaped power nozzles. The canister motors of these two sound identical and the Legacy is a little quieter likely because of the dampening effect of the tool holder over the exhaust port. But they are loud with that high pitched whistle sound most vacuum cleaners make today. I don’t know if everyone can hear this high pitches tone, it’s really annoying to me and screams poor quality. Anyway, Electrolux used to make very pleasant sounding generally not too noisy vacuums and these Aerus models are loud and obnoxious to me considering their price point. Maybe the outsourcing of these motors is the culprit.

I do like the plastic bodied machines for durability of the housing itself...they are Lexan, not too breakable or dentable. Plus they are lightweight.

Automatic control system is only on the Lux Legacy and moved to the top of the unit instead of the bag door eliminates the automatic pop open bag door and just shuts the unit off with a full bag light, I prefer the bag door to open and the light like on my Silverado but we can’t have everything I guess. Don’t like the hose install...can only gone in one way, unlike the 1205 through Ultralux series where the hose could go in two different ways reducing wear from bending the hose in only one direction. This hose end on these plastic bodies was the Canadian design.



Post# 423655 , Reply# 43   4/17/2020 at 12:52 (420 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        

My best guess here is that either the automatic shutoff due to full bag cutting off suction control device is bad and they made some sort of attempt to fix it by pulling off the knob, then gave up, or they just flat out wanted a new vacuum and decided to pull the knob off out of curiosity when cutting off the cord to part with it. People throw away perfectly good vacuums all the time...,they just get tired of them and want something new and different. Perhaps this was a rental property and they moved out and left behind what they didn’t want and the landlord put all of the leftovers out on the trash and the vacuum was one of them and he decided to keep the cord. Anyhow...anything is possible and for a minimal price and some tinkering time you obtained a nice machine. Personally, I’d have to reconnect the automatic control to see if that’s what’s wrong...and if so perhaps get a new sensor for it just to have the satisfaction that I restored it nicely. It looks like the clip for the tools over the exhaust louvre is broken off.

Hescoinc.com has the best pricing on those afterfilters. Likely a lot of eBay sellers are buying them there then reselling on eBay. They are generic though. They have hose parts and bags too for several brands...everything is generic but better pricing than buying from Aerus or eBay for generic stuff. Not sure of the difference if any in the afterfilter quality and effectiveness.

And Thank You to whoever posted here at a time past about hescoinc.com....I had been looking for somewhere that these vacuum parts suppliers were possibly buying their stuff from.

Jon


Post# 423657 , Reply# 44   4/17/2020 at 13:07 (420 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I agree with you, Jon. I very much prefer the design of the earlier metal canisters that began with the 1205 over the newer plastic ones but the Diplomat is growing on me, none the less. I hadn't thought of the newer Canadian style hose connector contributing to wear where the hose connects to the machine, but you're probably right and the first couple of times I fumbled with it I recognized the older design as superior, not only because it could connect to the machine either side up, but it's just plain easier to connect. I guess the Canadian version was cheaper to manufacturer. Save 15 or 20 cents per unit and sooner or later it adds up to real money. My machine seems to have an older style motor in it so its sound is fairly civilized. It's definitely not a high-pitched screamer, which is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned.

Post# 423677 , Reply# 45   4/17/2020 at 17:26 (420 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Yah it's a shame

that most companies only think in terms of dollars and cents,good for them not so good for us. If it's only going to cost them a few dollars to maintain the quality of their product why not just pass it on to the consumer? As in the case of your vacuum cleaner and the hose hookup, given the price the machine sold for it would be easy to bury,ooops I mean include the higher price of the better arrangement into the final price. I see food packaging shrinking ever so gradually in the stores and I wish they would leave the sizes as they were and adjust the price. The owner of a successful restaurant once told me that he always serves the same quantity of food to his guests because people eat with their eyes and know up front if this meal will fill them up. They'll complain more often about smaller portions than a bump in the price. I think that applies with most consumer goods, especially top tier products like Electrolux that have higher profit margins to begin with. If you could only have one of your canisters which would that be? Same with uprights.

Post# 423708 , Reply# 46   4/18/2020 at 13:43 (419 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
Perhaps a new thread Bill?

Bill...you end your comment above with such a wonderful question and would be a great new thread to start. I’ll give you the credit and honors of doing so! I’d live to see the input from the members and aim already debating my own answer to this question...a very tough one indeed!

Post# 423732 , Reply# 47   4/19/2020 at 00:27 (419 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
@Jo

Thanks for the kind words. I'm actually kind of embarrassed by some of my posts lately, they tend to run on and on and stray off course. The last thing I want to do is burn people out on me, especially people like Human who is very much liked by many on here and for good reason. Very relatable and fun to follow along with when he's working on a project, friendly and I bet he'd be a great teacher, oh wait... So anyway, I'm going to chill on posting for a while and continue to enjoy and learn from the many who contribute to this jewel of a sight. I read all of your posts too, they're all great, take care.

Post# 423842 , Reply# 48   4/20/2020 at 17:39 (417 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Afterword on After Filters...

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The final (for now) piece of the puzzle arrived in today's mail: a dozen new generic after filters. Looking at the old one on the left in the photos below, I think a replacement was long overdue. One could easily be fooled into thinking it was a charcoal filter. According to the instructions on the bag, they should be replaced with every fourth bag change. Given the number of machines I have, I go through bags on any given machine very slowly so supply this should last me a very long time.

Of course, now the obligatory gripe about USPS: I ordered these filters last Monday, the shipment arrived in my city last Wednesday night and was scheduled to be delivered on Friday, which is within reasonable parameters. Upon checking tracking Friday morning, it was marked "In transit, arriving late". No change on Saturday and it finally arrived yesterday. How does it take two days to get from New York to North Carolina and then languish around my city for almost five days before finally arriving in my mailbox?

Interestingly, in the time it took the package to arrive, the seller upped the price of these filters from $12.95 for a dozen to $16.95, not that it affected me. Guess I grabbed that deal at the right time.

Well, that pretty much does it for this little project unless or until a I come across a control knob for it, at which time I'll probably pull the thing back apart and reconnect the suction control valve, see if it works and go from there.


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Post# 423928 , Reply# 49   4/21/2020 at 22:08 (416 days old) by Paul (USA)        

Edgar,

You could also try checking with a local vac shop. I have done so for the Electrolux upright filters (pre- and after-) and discovered more economical prices for aftermarkets than those online (aftermarket or OEM).

Btw, after seeing others do so, I've been marking the installation dates of filter bags and filters for reference.


Post# 424039 , Reply# 50   4/23/2020 at 08:56 (415 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Interesting idea, Paul. I may have to start doing that.

Post# 424066 , Reply# 51   4/23/2020 at 14:46 (414 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        

That's a sweet color combo. for the Diplomat. It was a similar color scheme for the Ultralux Classic.

I've seen price "gauging" recently online as well. Online sellers are getting cocky because they know people have fewer options. A water tank that a month ago was selling for $55 has climbed incredibly fast over the last couple weeks.

I wouldn't leave things, especially plastic things exposed to UV rays for long. It will discolor the plastic. Yes the sun can do a natural job of sanitizing, it is more like exposing things to stale, undiluted bleach.

You know what the sun will do to unprotected skin when exposed to the sun for several hours. It does the same thing to other things.


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Post# 424120 , Reply# 52   4/24/2020 at 09:13 (414 days old) by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
Write a number on the bag

The Aerus Electrolux guy told Me to write the number 1 on the new bag top when I changed the bag and filter...then each time the bag is changed advance to the next number and once bag 6 is thrown away changed the filter too and start over. Aerus recommends changing the filter after every cycle of 6 bags. Not sure why your supplier says change after 4 bags, maybe they want to sell more filters or perhaps not as good quality as the Aerus ones.

Jon


Post# 424121 , Reply# 53   4/24/2020 at 09:49 (413 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I was thinking of stretching it to five or six bag changes, sort of like I stretch the oil change intervals on my cars to 4,000 miles from the recommended 3,000. I can't really compare the filters I bought to the OEM ones since the machine came to me with a generic filter installed. The ones I bought seem to be about the same as the one that was in it. We'll just have to let it roll and see what happens.

Post# 424137 , Reply# 54   4/24/2020 at 13:48 (413 days old) by JustJunque (Western MA)        

I just finally got myself to start writing numbers on my bags. I just replaced my after filter at the last bag change, so it was a good time to start.
I've been meaning to do it for a long time, but I always tell myself that I'll remember when it's time to change the filter. Yeah. Right.

Edgar;
Glad you rescued the Electrolux! Two of mine were picked up off the tree belt.
One is a dark grey Ambassador III, and the other one is a 75th anniversary Epic 6500 SR.
The Epic was trashed by its previous owner, and is ROUGH. Among other things, it needs a new motor. But it was one of my dream vacs, and I had to pick it up. I bought a motor for it, but I still haven't gotten around to working on it. Some day.
The Ambassador, after a thorough cleaning, is in amazing condition.
Of course, I probably ended up spending $50 or so on eBay, picking up the bits and pieces that were missing. I don't regret it for a minute though! It's a great vacuum!
Hope you enjoy your Diplomat!

Barry


Post# 424230 , Reply# 55   4/25/2020 at 14:30 (412 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Dirt isn't the only thing vacuums can suck up...

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Barry wrote:
Of course, I probably ended up spending $50 or so on eBay, picking up the bits and pieces that were missing. I don't regret it for a minute though! It's a great vacuum!

I reply:
How well I know that tune! I have machines that I've bought for very little money, or even gotten for free, and then spent a ton on. I have a Kirby Heritage that I bought on eBay last winter that I ended up spending almost as much on parts as on the machine itself--and that's not including parts I already had on hand or in this case were generously given to me by a fellow member. A Legend II I bought last fall is a similar story and it doesn't end there.

I feel like I got off pretty easy on this Diplomat, spending only about $30 on it and almost half of that being for consumables. I try my best to keep that in mind when I look at machines to purchase, asking myself how the cost of repairing/refurbishing it compare with the cost of acquisition. Of course, trash finds are much more of a grab-and-go proposition. Evaluation can wait until I get home and decide whether it's worth fixing up or I've just gotten myself a pile of parts. Truth be told, I usually err on the side of fixing it up. The most ironic thing, now that I think about it, is the trash finds consistently end up being among the least expensive projects while the eBay purchases end up being the most expensive, even not including the purchase price of the machine. At this point, I'm thinking I need to make a note to myself, especially considering the number of vacuums I have, to stop looking for whole machines on eBay or any other online source and limit any further 'vacquisitions' to thrift shops and trash piles from here on out.


Post# 441436 , Reply# 56   5/3/2021 at 21:02 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I posted in a recent thread on trash vacs that I'd found the elusive suction control knob for my Ambassador. I had promised not to hijack that thread any further so I resurrected the original one.

I finally had a little time and installed the this evening. Doing so was a little more involved than just snapping it into place. I had left one of the tubes to the valve disconnected to disable it so I had to go back inside it. This turned into a major pain. I literally had to completely disassemble the machine to get to the tubes and figure out how to route them but then the wiring connectors kept coming loose so I had to go through and tighten ALL of those. After working on the machine for more than three hours, I finally got it back together except for one of the side strips. It had been removed and installed a number of times and the leading edge was a little bent and it eventually broke off. Now, it won't go back at all so I guess I'll need to find another one. Of course, the good news is the lockout mechanism now works perfectly but part of me wishes I'd just stuck the knob on and just had it cosmetically complete.


Post# 441447 , Reply# 57   5/4/2021 at 08:13 by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
Side strips

You might find a pair of side strips on eBay on a unit someone is parting out. Perhaps where you got the knob from? Just buy it and get it going, you’ll have no regrets in the end to have the machine running beautifully.. considering how much you could spend for a used one of these machines or sell it for ...the money you spend fixing it up could easily be recouped. Making it worth it to have it nice for yourself plus the automatic control will now work hopefully!

Frustrating through you spent all that time to get the tubes connected and the dial on and you can’t really try it out properly to see if it all works. Well yes I guess you could power it up but not use it functionally until you get the side strip replacement.

Hint: if you apply pressure to the body essentially compressing the top and bottom together while inserting the strip...it may slide easier as the pressure reduces the resistance.

Good luck and update us.

Jon


Post# 441456 , Reply# 58   5/4/2021 at 13:43 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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As I was going to sleep last night, I visualized turning the machine upside down, compressing it with my knee and trying to slide the strip on. Hopefully, the strip isn't too far gone for that. If it doesn't work, I've got a line on a pair of gray ones on eBay for $13 shipped.

I did power the machine up with one strip in place and tested it by putting my hand over the hose port. It immediately shut off and lit the appropriate indicator, which proves two things: 1) the lockout system works; and 2) I got the thing wired correctly. Of course, the final test of the latter, once I get both strips back in place, will be to connect the power nozzle and make sure it works as it's supposed to. I once rewired a Silverado Deluxe that was a complete basket case when I acquired it and managed to reverse two wires, which caused the power nozzle to come on when the vacuum was turned off and to go off when the vacuum was turned on. It was annoying at the time but as I look back it, I see the potential for a fun practical joke.


Post# 441459 , Reply# 59   5/4/2021 at 14:21 by Kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

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It’s not supposed to shut off when you put your hand over the intake. When you put it back together the same thing will happen at the end of the hose when resistance is applied. Check the valve and the tubing to make sure the tubing is connected to the appropriate spots.

If you said finger in the intake that would make sense. I’ll put my finger near the tiny hole on the inside of the intake to make the unit shut off to check to see if the automatic shut off is working. That’s a different story.


It should not shut off with your hand over the intake. Think about it. If that was the case then it would shut off every time you sucked up something and blocked the airflow. Like vacuuming the couch.

At least put the hose on and see if it shuts off. If it does then you need to go back and look at the tubing and valve assembly. You could also test it with the sidekick or PN.


Post# 441464 , Reply# 60   5/4/2021 at 15:59 by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Bigger issues....

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Yeah, it won't run at all with the hose attached, much less any sort of nozzle. I guess the next step is to open her back up and bypass the valve. At least it will run that way without costing me any more money (replacement side strips notwithstanding). That's probably why the machine got trashed in the first place. All that said, I am reasonably certain I have the three tubes on the valve assembly connected properly because there was only one logical way for them to go. For simplicity's sake, we'll call them tubes A, B, and C:

'Tube A' runs from the valve to the power switch assembly and was already connected at both ends when I opened the machine up, so no need to mess with it.

'Tube B' Runs from the bag door, under the bag chamber and connects to the valve. This one was disconnected at the valve end so it was obvious it needed to go to the one empty nipple on the valve.

Tube C--was connected to the valve assembly and the other end was loose when I opened the unit up. The only logical place I saw to attach it was a little (dummy?) nipple on the back side of the bag chamber. This is the only connection I was unsure of but I saw no other place for it to attach. If it was meant to hang loose, why put a piece of tubing on it? Also, the tubing was exactly the right length to reach that nipple and the nipple was exactly the right length and diameter to hold the nipple. so it didn't seem coincidental to me, although I admit I fail to understand its purpose when the same result could be achieved simply by eliminating the third nipple from the valve.

Oh yeah, I've also got a wire crossed somewhere because the power nozzle runs with the vacuum turned off, similar to the aforementioned Silverado. I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to do that. At this point, I really do wish I'd just jammed that knob into place and called it a day.


Post# 441465 , Reply# 61   5/4/2021 at 16:28 by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Correction...

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...the nipple is exactly the right length and diameter to hold the tube.

Post# 441471 , Reply# 62   5/4/2021 at 17:51 by vacuumlad1650 (Coal City, IL)        

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Edgar, would it be any help for me to post a wiring diagram for you? I have a printed one I can scan in

Post# 441476 , Reply# 63   5/4/2021 at 19:42 by Kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

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Sounds like you have all the tubes connected properly. I’d put money on it being the valve. You can get one for about $25.00 on eBay. Or just leave it disconnected as you said. The non-automatics such as the LE didn’t have one anyway.



Post# 441478 , Reply# 64   5/4/2021 at 20:17 by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Wiring Diagram...

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Andy,
The wiring diagram would be greatly appreciated. In reconnecting the wires, I was working from a photo I took on my phone before I removed the original cord winder when I first acquired the machine, along with the labels molded into the plastic of the upper shell. One side has orange, white and red wires while the other has yellow, gray and white (not necessarily in that order). With white wires on both sides, I'd say the odds are better than even that I've got them reversed.


Post# 441479 , Reply# 65   5/4/2021 at 21:09 by vacuumlad1650 (Coal City, IL)        

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Post# 441487 , Reply# 66   5/4/2021 at 22:06 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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That diagram will be very helpful. Thanks, Andy!

Post# 441987 , Reply# 67   5/19/2021 at 15:32 by human (Pines of Carolina)        
It's done...

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The side strips I ordered finally arrived yesterday. Gotta love the efficiency of our postal service. After holding the gray strips up to the machine, I decided I didn't like the monochromatic look, compared to its factory color scheme, so I took the nylon inner strip off of the one I needed to replace and put it on my blue outer bumper.

I opened the machine up this afternoon, found and corrected the wiring error in about a minute (Thanks again for the diagram, Andy) and disconnected the suction valve before putting it all back together. As always, the first strip went into place easily but the second one required me to place the weight of one knee on the machine to get it to slide into place.

So now, I have the vacuum back together, cosmetically complete with the knob that started this whole fiasco, and fully functional except for the disabled valve. At this point, I have no desire whatsoever to go back into the machine and replace that valve and I can't imagine ever wanting to do so but at least it looks right. I honestly would have been better off just leaving well enough alone or at the most, just taking two seconds to jam that knob into place.


Post# 442005 , Reply# 68   5/19/2021 at 21:57 by vacuumlad1650 (Coal City, IL)        

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Glad that diagram helped. When I got my diplomat (or was it my 2100?) I repaired that same dial and accidently left one of the wires to the little bag indicator off...Either it shorted or was necessary to be hooked up at all times because I blew a few fuses trying to get it working! Another member finally sent that schematic over and I got it all buttoned up




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