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Post# 422315   3/28/2020 at 11:34 (1,460 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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It come to my attention that certain people the vacuum cleaner community are spreading misinformation about masks.
Cutting up vacuum cleaner bags will not protect you against the coronavirus covid-19.
Please pass this information on to anybody in need.






Post# 422400 , Reply# 1   3/29/2020 at 14:27 (1,459 days old) by fantomfan57 (Central Texas)        
Alex,

thank you for posting this. I really appreciate you taking the time to let us know you care.

Best of luck with everything.

Garry


Post# 422402 , Reply# 2   3/29/2020 at 15:05 (1,459 days old) by ABCVacPlacentia (California)        
Hey Alex

Is your concern that people won't be able to fit a homemade mask to their face if they simply cut up a HEPA bag? Or, is it because the HEPA material won't work? The CDC is saying that a N95 mask is NOT required for civilians at the grocery store. It's only required for healthcare workers in a closed environment filled with CCP Virus patients.

You also did not disclose any info about the actual filtration of those gas masks. What is it? Do you have that info? Does it filter beyond N95? If so, how much?

It is possible to 3D print a mask that will fit your face at least as well as a standard N95 mask and then use a small piece of HEPA filter in it. I know because a friend of mine has already made one. The big question is whether that is even worth doing for a typical civilian who is not in a hospital environment and surrounded by CCP Virus patients.


Post# 422405 , Reply# 3   3/29/2020 at 16:42 (1,459 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)        

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The N95 type mask is the only mask that can filter out virus particles. No other mask will. The only reason they are saying not to buy it unless you are a doctor is to keep people from hoarding them, because they only have a lifespan of a day, and you cannot reuse them.

Buying and using a mask at all is totally stupid and nonsense anyway, because the virus spreads through your mucous membranes - which means your eyes too, not just your nose and mouth. You would have to wear sealed swimming or construction goggles too which would make you look pretty ridiculous.

Also, no - a gas mask will in no way at all stop the corona virus because they are meant to filter pollution particulates and chemical irritants - not a flu virus.

Making your own mask with a HEPA filter (come on, really?) is a big no-no and a fool's errand done by people who do not understand the flu virus or how masks work. It is for large household dust particles - not viruses.

The best thing to do is use sanitizer before and after leaving the store, use the wipes in the store to sanitize the cart handles. Do not touch your face. When you get home, wash your hands with hot water and dish soap. That's all you can do. I have been out to over a dozen stores this month, I don't use any masks or gloves, and not gotten sick at all.


Post# 422414 , Reply# 4   3/29/2020 at 20:32 (1,459 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
Not related to the topic but...

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Are you planning on doing videos of both the Jasper and the Capricorn? Those are some of my favorite looking Mieles.

Post# 422423 , Reply# 5   3/29/2020 at 22:01 (1,459 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio)        
Here's Some Links And Info For Inquiring Minds

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www.fda.gov/medical-devic...
"The 'N95' designation means that when subjected to careful testing, the respirator blocks at least 95 percent of very small (0.3 micron) test particles. If properly fitted, the filtration capabilities of N95 respirators exceed those of face masks. However, even a properly fitted N95 respirator does not completely eliminate the risk of illness or death."

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2...
"CDC does not recommend the routine use of respirators outside of workplace settings (in the community). Most often, spread of respiratory viruses from person-to-person happens among close contacts (within 6 feet). CDC recommends everyday preventive actions to prevent the spread of respiratory viruses, such as avoiding people who are sick, avoiding touching your eyes or nose, and covering your cough or sneeze with a tissue. People who are sick should stay home and not go into crowded public places or visit people in hospitals. Workers who are sick should follow CDC guidelines and stay home when they are sick."

Best common mask I can find that's far better than the typical N95 mask:
3M 9332 (Rated FFP3) and tested to 99.6% removal of particles FAR smaller than 0.3 microns. This mask is sometimes referred to as N99.
smartairfilters.com/en/blog/do-p...


Post# 422448 , Reply# 6   3/30/2020 at 12:44 (1,458 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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@ABCVacPlacentia The CDC has trying to keep people from panic buying masks so their first responders have enough ,but really everybody should have then own.
It's time to get over the social stigma about wearing masks in public.

I do disclose what type of filtration those masks are. P-100 on the 3m.

P3 & CBRN NATO filter cartridge .
@huskyvacs
As stated in the video briefly ,I am not recommending charcoal only filters.
CBRN and p3 filters are designed to handle viruses and other really fine particulate.


@vaclab Bill if you lived in an actual City you would have it already. I know you would be in intensive care with your underlying health conditions.
Please don't repeat the government propaganda.


Post# 422461 , Reply# 7   3/30/2020 at 14:34 (1,458 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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The sheer amount of dumbassery that has transpired as a result of this virus is truly astonishing. What is the deal with people buying all of the toilet paper? I don't think chronic diarrhea is one of the coronavirus symptoms!

Post# 422462 , Reply# 8   3/30/2020 at 15:09 (1,458 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I agree!

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I bought toilet paper and paper towels on OCTOBER. I have 5 rolls in both bathrooms, plus, oon the linen closet.
I don't NEED any, and will NOT be 'out there buying any".


Post# 422465 , Reply# 9   3/30/2020 at 16:25 (1,458 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio)        
Alex, Now I Know Why You Act The Way You Do

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You are a conspiracy theorist and believe that the government is out to to get you. This isn't China. You really believe that the CDC and the FDA are lying and any info not approved by you, an uneducated high school graduate (did you even graduate?) must be false.

"@vaclab Bill if you lived in an actual City you would have it already. I know you would be in intensive care with your underlying health conditions.
Please don't repeat the government propaganda."

Can anyone say "pathological liar?" And this isn't the first time either.

Your statement is not only completely false, wishing ANYONE physical harm/death should get you BANNED from this website. You are the worst offender that spreads nothing but intentional toxicity on as many posts as possible. Again, any thought/opinion other than yours is simply not to be tolerated.

Don't even get me started on "Working Water Lift"...

Some people may already know this but I started my YouTube channel because of the massive misinformation/outright lies I saw on two other channels. Performance Tests and Vacuum Facts (JohnnyL8).

Moderator: Normally I would never respond to anyone in this manner, but Alex has crossed the line far too many times twisting Vacuumland into something intentionally disgusting and unpleasant.

Bill


Post# 422466 , Reply# 10   3/30/2020 at 16:25 (1,458 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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Viruses are not 'particles.' They transmit through the air by being attached to particles, such as dust, water droplets, etc. When someone coughs and spews millions of microscopic virus-laden snot water droplets into the air, they float around in the air for several minutes or more for other people to breathe in. Guess what? Screw the CDC, I'd rather wear a mask that *might* protect me as opposed to just breathing in sick people air.

Too late for me, anyway :P


Post# 422468 , Reply# 11   3/30/2020 at 17:58 (1,458 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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@vaclab bill you have never taken the time to get to know me or anybody else.

I do not subscribe to any conspiracy theories to clarify.
I also have a full education to clarify. I don't know why that would be in question?
I do not personally insult you I try to stay far away from you and your toxicity.
Once again you have turned something into some sort of argument about your ego.
I'm simply stating that I wish you to be careful since you're in a high-risk category. Both older and overweight.

I really resent the continued accusation of you calling me a liar.
Vacuum Facts aka JohnnyL8 has been discussed about is Dyson fandom misleading people plenty of times on here and elsewhere I don't think that's subject needs be revisited.

I'm sorry that this bickering must continue why don't you man up and just send me an email/dm I've even offered to debate you in a live stream.

Please stop submitting vacuum land to your nastiness.



Post# 422469 , Reply# 12   3/30/2020 at 18:19 (1,458 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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@MadMan With you 💯 on wearing proper protective gear!

@panasonicvac yes there's already videos up on my patreon page. More videos to come on them for sure.




Post# 422470 , Reply# 13   3/30/2020 at 18:40 (1,458 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Please guys no need to get nasty with each other, Alex what you said about "living in a actual city" was totally out of line and uncalled for.

Please we're all under a lot of stress right now with this disaster and the last thing we need any of that here. Be nice please, it's more important now more than ever.


Post# 422493 , Reply# 14   3/31/2020 at 03:00 (1,458 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Bill "Again, any thought/opinion other than yours is simply not to be tolerated"

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black 😄

And don't make assumptions about someone you don't know and have never met. You are so condescending. 😏


Post# 422495 , Reply# 15   3/31/2020 at 07:24 (1,457 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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You guys really need to knock it off.

Post# 422560 , Reply# 16   4/1/2020 at 08:06 (1,456 days old) by Tekjunkie28 (Western Va)        

So let me just give you the 100% truth. The N95 masks absolutely protect you from the virus. They are 5x more effective than wearing nothing at all. The mask with stop the virus because in the general public setting the airborne particles are spit and mucus and they get stopped by the mask. Oddly enough in the hospital setting the masks are barely adequate. When the patient gets intubated the virus is aerosolized which the mask is useless against. The reason the CDC and media push that is because there is not enough makes for even the medical workers working with regular patients or patients not on ventilators. Yes they absolutely lied and you will see that come out more in the next week or so.

I suggest you avoid people all together and wash your hands. Fomites are a big issue with the general public outside of social distancing.

My wife is in microbiology and works with this stuff. It’s absolutely no joke and we are so ill prepared. The only way to protect the healthcare workers is to have them wear a full containment suit.

Surgical masks are useful if you already have the virus. They are to protect others by capturing your mucus when you talk. They do nothing for filtering air. Also if you have facial hair all masks are useless.

Using a vacuum cleaner back may work but I wouldn’t do it bc breathing through one would be near impossible and create other issues.


Post# 422563 , Reply# 17   4/1/2020 at 09:42 (1,456 days old) by Link9454 (Colorado)        
Alex, you’re straining credulity

Seriously, Bill links to information regarding masks and the like as well as where you can find one, and you say he’s spreading propaganda?

Better yet, you go on youtube and selectively crop his comment to make it look like an unprovoked attack, give no context, and call him stupid? At first I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but you are making a mountain out of a mole hill and looking stupid as a result. Oh and go on to make a veiled wish for his health to go down hill. Awesome, really big of you.

Regarding the masks thing, try not to buy any unless you need them, or you are contributing to the global shortage. The only people who should use them are people who are regularly exposed (medical professionals or folks who work with the public), have an underlying health condition that would make infection more likely or more dangerous (COPD or Asthma, a suppressed immune system, extreme age, etc), or someone who is already sick just to add that much more protection over the self isolation you should already be doing.


Post# 422564 , Reply# 18   4/1/2020 at 09:52 (1,456 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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Where did Alex wish his health to go downhill? I got the impression he was trying to help people?

Post# 422566 , Reply# 19   4/1/2020 at 11:42 (1,456 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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You guys really need to knock it off. Grow thicker skin. And to the people instigating the argument, did your mommy every tech you to not say anything if it's not nice?

Post# 422577 , Reply# 20   4/1/2020 at 12:34 (1,456 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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@vacfan1982 I didn't he took what I said out of context.

What I said was if he followed his own advice he would contracted it, if he lived in a more populated area. That I mentioned he was in the group most at risk right now.
He lives in a town that's extremely small 18k according to the last census.
that will be one of the last places affected.
But that one right over a couple people's heads.


my point is if everybody wears protective gear the faster this thing goes away.


Post# 422578 , Reply# 21   4/1/2020 at 12:49 (1,456 days old) by Link9454 (Colorado)        
Clarification for vacfan1982

I would have taken it to mean that if my name were there instead of vaclabs. Irrespective, he hardly addressed any of what has been said.

Post# 422581 , Reply# 22   4/1/2020 at 13:58 (1,456 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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It's more testing that's needed then the people who test positive can be isolated. This worked extremely well in South Korea. Eventually we will have a vaccine.

It's scary stuff, a 13 yr old with no health issues passed away in the UK yesterday 😳


Post# 425151 , Reply# 23   5/9/2020 at 00:43 (1,419 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        
Good news !

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Lindhaus is now producing proper masks!






Post# 425166 , Reply# 24   5/9/2020 at 15:58 (1,418 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)        
Masks

Masks mostly help us not to spread virus to others. They do help slightly to keep us from getting it. But if all are wearing masks, all the better. Here is a chart published by my hometown (Memphis) regarding the use of masks -- why and how they are helpful.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO frkirby560's LINK


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Post# 425167 , Reply# 25   5/9/2020 at 15:58 (1,418 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)        

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I live in a city with 120,000 people and have never worn a mask and have never been sick. I wash my hands before and after leaving a store, and wash my face and hands again when I get home. That's all I've done. I've probably been out to 25 stores in the past month and a half, some for 15 mins, some for an hour and a half. Never been sick.

The people getting sick and dying from the virus are already susceptible to it from a weak immune system due to their diet (vegans) or their genetic disposition passed down through their family. The virus is more harmful in large cities where pollution is a factor and people breathe in pollution constantly which tears down their immune system. Smokers, drug users, etc all have weak immune and respiratory systems so they will get affected by it sooner.

If you are over 60 you have the greatest risk of contracting the virus. Anyone between 12 and 30 has a very very small risk rate of contracting it unless they have the above mentioned problems.

Just practice basic common sense hygiene and you will be fine.

I only had to buy a mask because of stupid stores putting ARMED GUARDS at their entrances to prevent people from coming in without a mask. And I am not waiting until July to get stuff done while my house falls apart (as well as my hair which hasn't been cut since September).


Post# 425169 , Reply# 26   5/9/2020 at 17:42 (1,418 days old) by Tseg (World Traveller)        

Less than 3K people in the US under the age of 65 have died of this flu to date (.00008% of US population). 95% of them had pre-existing conditions. For now I'll pull up some fabric over my mouth to get into a store because it is required, but soon I'll claim medical disability so I don't have to do that.

People just need to do some homework for themselves and look at data and learn from posts like frkirby560 posted above and realize this is WAAAAAY overblown vs. the gazillion other ways one can become sick and/or die. They say stress can cut years off one's life worse than smoking. The stress some people have over this because of the media and government officials seeking viewership/ratings will shorten a lot of people's lives.

My HEPA filters are too precious to destroy for this.


Post# 425200 , Reply# 27   5/10/2020 at 02:19 (1,418 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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@vacfan1982 "A 13 year old died in the UK"

You sure about that? Maybe it was Portugal. Or Belgium. Check the link below...

It's fake news, there is SO much fake news. This virus is highly contagious, but it otherwise not that bad. It's just a nasty flu. The flu kills 30k Americans every year, and of those, most are old folks in nursing homes and sick people.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO MadMan's LINK


Post# 425217 , Reply# 28   5/10/2020 at 12:00 (1,417 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        

Younger aged people are getting cocky because they tend to think they are infallible in general.  (Gee, I've never thought that way.  nope)

 

But hey, if the illegal drugs, unprotected sex, alcoholism, and generally stupid stunts don't rid us of these morons, there's always a good unpredictable pandemic to render them a liability.

 

As far as proper masks.  I've heard the argument that HEPA vacuum bags, or really any vacuum bags, shouldn't be cut up and used for a mask. 

 

First, a 'home made' mask that is religiously worn when in the midst of the general population is better than NO Mask at all.  I think the HEPA is probably a better filter material compared to a paper mask, though a  piece of vacuum bag with rubber bands used to hold it on is missing the elastic gathers on the edges and around the nose.  

 

Second, I've heard people say that HEPA vac bags aren't good because they weren't made for direct contact.  I'd argue against that because where in fact are portable vac bags venting?  They are inside and people are breathing what comes out of vacuum bag regardless of if it's HEPA.  Also, there is a lot more air flow when a vacuum is running vs. when a person is breathing through it.

 

Third, we can't expect these to be perfect.  Even a proper respirator is not guaranteed to filter out a pesky air-borne virus.  These are just paper clumsily applied to our faces. The main benefit is in providing some direct barrier to our intake and exhaust of air.  

It's the equivalence of a vestibule or enclosed porch on our house.  Its a protection from rain, snow, heavy wind, and significant heat loss.  But it isn't perfect.

 

Fourth, don't assume everyone you see in public who isn't wearing protection is a defiant p.o.s. who doesn't care about his or other's health or that they are a mas(k)ochist   (see what I did there, lol).   Some literally don't have resources to buy or make protection.  Some have not been educated to what's going on.

 

 

 



CLICK HERE TO GO TO gregvacs28's LINK

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Post# 425219 , Reply# 29   5/10/2020 at 12:37 (1,417 days old) by frkirby560 (Memphis, TN)        

Very informative and insightful article in ATLANTIC about the long term effects -- even if you never had symptoms of the disease. The danger is not just about who dies from it. We can't be cavalier about this illness.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO frkirby560's LINK


Post# 425221 , Reply# 30   5/10/2020 at 12:53 (1,417 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
Wow

 

One looks away from the mounting statistics for just a few days it creeps up.  80K just in the U.S. as of today.

 

That's a cities worth of people or several towns worth of people gone in just a few weeks.

 


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Post# 425635 , Reply# 31   5/17/2020 at 20:02 (1,410 days old) by ABCVacPlacentia (California)        
Regarding that Lindhaus mask . . .

I'm looking at this Lindhaus mask and I can't seem to find it for sale anywhere. They also don't have any spec for filtration, especially down to .3 micron, which is the stopping point for n95 respirators.

How much is this Lindhaus mask? Or, is it yet another vaporware mask offering?



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