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Thread Number: 39764
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
Am I The Only One..... |
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| Post# 422094 , Reply# 1 3/24/2020 at 11:24 (1,486 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY) | ||
Me too. The uprights are way more electrically complex than they need to be and they're way too bulky, weighing MORE than a Kirby G Series, and the Miele doesn't even have self propel! The canisters are okay, but the cheap plastic hoses, the overcomplicated circuitry, and the tiny bags, which are crazy expensive, are real turn offs for me. I much prefer my Kirby and Electrolux vacuums. I would buy a SEBO before I buy a Miele. I have used both the Windsor Sensor XP12 (SEBO X4) and the Windsor Axcess (SEBO Dart) and I was quite impressed by both of them.
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| Post# 422101 , Reply# 2 3/24/2020 at 13:55 (1,486 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
Miele cylinder cleaners may not be built as well as they were years ago but the build quality is still quite good and should last at least 10 years. We pay a lot less for Miele and Sebo here, you can get a basic C3 for £150. I think that is excellent value. The bags are 4.5 litres so not tiny they cost around £2.50 and they are the best bags I've seen.
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| Post# 422104 , Reply# 3 3/24/2020 at 15:23 (1,486 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY) | ||
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| Post# 422105 , Reply# 4 3/24/2020 at 15:32 (1,486 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 422111 , Reply# 6 3/24/2020 at 17:39 (1,486 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
I hate all those luxury brands because they purposely do not sell or make excess parts to sell as spares. They do not want you to fix them. They want you to throw them away and buy a new one. You spend $600 on a vacuum just to have it last 2.5 to 3 years? That's not right. Furthermore, they will only honor the repair if its done at a certified dealer, and with brand new OEM parts that have been marked up 80% more because they know you need it. Any company that does that is scum.
Also a $500 vacuum doesn't clean any better than a $50 vacuum - just the same as a $700 phone still makes the same phone call as a $15 prepaid. I come from a family that doesn't flippantly throw money away, so I don't fall for consumerism with that "more money means better product" gimmick. I have a Miele Black Diamond (very rare) and when I was rebuilding it - I had to import most of the parts from Germany. It took 2 years buying 1 part at a time as I could afford it to rebuild it. That's how badly Miele sucks. When I tried to eMail Miele to get a manual for it from their files (a lot of companies do that) - they had no idea what vacuum I was even talking about! They said they never made one of that model. I had to laugh. I'd rather get a 1950's Kirby at Goodwill for $10, spend $50 repairing it and restoring it myself, and then have it last another 90 years. | ||
| Post# 422141 , Reply# 9 3/24/2020 at 23:34 (1,486 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY) | ||
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| Post# 422152 , Reply# 10 3/25/2020 at 12:19 (1,485 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
Ok Boomer 😁
@repairman I know you'll be in good company here.
I equate the misunderstanding of German cars in the US that used to be . There used to be I misunderstanding that German cars were hard to fix because they were different fix. however my wife's s5 is far easier to work on than the Chevy lumina. I've rarely ever seen manufacturer defect electrical issues especially with a Miele. They do tend to get abused by some of their owners pretty bad just like any other vacuum. I find it interesting that you would then turn around and Shill for a much lower quality product. You remind me of an old auto mechanic I know who once said. "They're all pieces of shit no matter how sporty or fast they are" "at the end of the day you'd rather not be working on any of these pieces of shit" | ||
| Post# 422170 , Reply# 11 3/25/2020 at 17:23 (1,485 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY) | ||
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| Post# 422175 , Reply# 12 3/25/2020 at 18:50 (1,485 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
My sentiments exactly...
Huskyvacs wrote:
I'd rather get a 1950's Kirby at Goodwill for $10, spend $50 repairing it and restoring it myself, and then have it last another 90 years. cazykirbydude wrote: A vacuum cleaner does not need any sort of complex circuitry. Period. If a mid 70s Electrolux Super J doesn't need a circuit board, neither should a Miele. I reply: Coudn't have said it better myself. With high quality vintage Kirby and Electrolux models available in the second hand market for a pittance, it makes exactly zero sense to shell out for a new machine that's just a pile of circuit boards, waiting to self-destruct a week after the warranty expires. The total cost of ownership equation just doesn't add up on these machines. | ||
| Post# 422180 , Reply# 13 3/25/2020 at 21:30 (1,485 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY) | ||
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One of my other hobbies is working with computers, and I've seen computers that have overheated and died due to a bit of dust buildup on the sensitive electronics. Now tell me, does it make sense to put those same sensitive electronics into a machine which is literally designed to deal with dirt? The most outrageous example of this is Hoover's React upright WITH A MICROPROCESSOR that's designed to communicate with your cell phone. Why in the world does an UPRIGHT VACUUM CLEANER need to be connected to a phone to operate? It's quite literally the stupidest design I've ever seen. The best part is that the only function that the app serves is to control the brushroll, adjust the height, and check for clogs, which is something that could have easily been accomplished with a simple rocker switch, diaphragm switch, and a height pedal/knob. I should not have to create an account with Hoover and connect my vacuum to my phone just to use AN UPRIGHT VACUUM CLEANER! I'm a techy guy, but I only appreciate technology where it belongs, which is inside my computer case, not in my vacuum cleaner. I will attach photos of the offending vacuum and the accompanying phone app.
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| Post# 422199 , Reply# 14 3/26/2020 at 02:26 (1,485 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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@crazykirbydude the old school Electrolux has that used a klusterfuk of vacuum lines to control multiple switches and things. this ended up being less reliable than most circuit boards with the mechanical switches internal parts in lines dry rotting.
Don't even get me started on the internal clogging issues of some of those lines. Solid state electronics are really reliable these days. If you've ever taken apart an Electrolux 2100 to 6500 series canister it is far more prone to failure then something like a Miele or SEBO that have been using circuit boards 35+ years. The only Miele I have ever seen that had electronic problems was the blue moon, original 500 series red velvet & Silver moon . Those are all hoes related. But everything else has been very solid. But I will definitely agree with you Hoover,Roidmi do not need to have a Bluetooth module with an app to spy on you. Just like thermostats don't need to connect to the internet. | ||
| Post# 422204 , Reply# 15 3/26/2020 at 06:21 (1,484 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 422207 , Reply# 17 3/26/2020 at 08:38 (1,484 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 422213 , Reply# 19 3/26/2020 at 11:38 (1,484 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY) | ||
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| Post# 422217 , Reply# 21 3/26/2020 at 13:33 (1,484 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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@Gmarquez 💯
@vacfan1982 you're definitely right some people have had bad luck walking under ladders. 🤣😂 @crazykirbydude It sure can and will. I have an Electrolux epic 6500 then I will be doing a full refurbish on I'll be sure to post that in 4k on here for you all to see how complicated that machine is because they refuse to use solid state circuitry. Oddly enough in the many years I've been fixing vacuums I've repaired more Electrolux for dry rotting and vacuum switch fellow related issues ,then PCB issues with both Miele and SEBO combined. | ||
| Post# 422252 , Reply# 24 3/26/2020 at 23:58 (1,484 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY) | ||
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I've seen a lot of Electroluxes, and I can say that I've never seen a broken plastic body. I'm 17, 6 feet tall and I weigh 190 pounds, and I can stand on a plastic bodied Electrolux without the plastic cracking or breaking. Also, the Aerus Lux Guardian Platinum has 100 CFM from the power nozzle, so it's hardly a wimpy cleaner. The Lux Classic and Lux Legacy are only a few CFM behind.
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| Post# 422258 , Reply# 25 3/27/2020 at 03:49 (1,484 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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The Lux platinum has 80 CFM at the nozzle. Mike got 90 CFM from the Miele C3 nozzle with the Sebo ET1. Not that an extra 10 CFM is gonna make a noticeable difference.
From what I've been told the Lux power nozzle isn't great. 🤷
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| Post# 422264 , Reply# 26 3/27/2020 at 11:11 (1,483 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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@crazykirbydude good to know that you're a child.
@vacfan1982 that's such an interesting machine. It's oversized for no apparent reason the hose is a little short on it too I found one using it. I think there's a noticeable difference in maneuverability of that Electrolux vs any miele,SEBO or modern canister with casters. I would like to point out one other thing is that Mike test Vacuums in Europe which often have completely different motor setups than their American counterparts. | ||
| Post# 422266 , Reply# 27 3/27/2020 at 11:41 (1,483 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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That is true Alex I think the Miele C3 Mike tested had a 1600w motor which of course is not allowed in the EU today as 900w is the maximum. My Miele S5 has a 2200w motor 😄
I do like the Lux Platinum or Lux Intelligence in Europe but as you say it looks a bit bulky to manoeuvre around. It's very well built though. I am tempted to purchase a used one from Germany. I've seen them going for around £300. | ||
| Post# 422267 , Reply# 28 3/27/2020 at 11:50 (1,483 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY) | ||
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vacuumdevil...
I found your comment extremely offensive. That was quite rude and completely uncalled for. I'm still entitled to my opinion, no matter my age. Also, 17 is HARDLY a child. 11, maybe, but 17? I think not. If you feel the need to belittle a teenager on the internet over a vacuum cleaner, then you have some serious issues. I'm quite disappointed in everyone here. This started out as a respectful debate, and it ended up in petty bickering. This site as a whole as gotten so toxic that it is impossible to have an unpopular opinion. I simply stated my opinion and shared my personal experiences, and I got attacked for it. Immature adults suck the fun out of this site.
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| Post# 422268 , Reply# 29 3/27/2020 at 11:53 (1,483 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY) | ||
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| Post# 422271 , Reply# 30 3/27/2020 at 12:01 (1,483 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Yes 80 CFM is very decent. And you're correct anything above 90 CFM will make it difficult to push unless self propelled.
The Vorwerk has 100 CFM at the nozzle on the highest setting it becomes difficult to push. Don't take anything that's said on here to heart it's just a bit of fun. Most of what I say is tongue in cheek 😛 | ||
| Post# 422293 , Reply# 31 3/27/2020 at 19:30 (1,483 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY) | ||
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I don't think the intention was to poke harmless fun. It's quite obvious that vacuumdevil intended for his comment to be demeaning. Anyways, I'm moving on now. The Aerus Electrolux canisters all pull around 90-100 CFM at the end of the second wand. I think it's the neck on the power nozzle that is restricting the airflow. I the Aerus Electrolux nozzle is still a great nozzle nonetheless, and maybe using one with a Miele canister would change my opinion on Miele canisters. I do not like the uprights though, and I never will.
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Post# 422304 , Reply# 32 3/28/2020 at 00:57 (1,483 days old) by tolivac  (Greenville,NC) |
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The aerus Lux Platinum is a very good performing vacuum----BUT the circuit boards in these machines fail FREQUENTLY-I have two of these vacuums-each has had its board replaced TWICE under warrantee.Other vacuums I have with boards don't have this problem. | ||
| Post# 422525 , Reply# 33 3/31/2020 at 18:38 (1,479 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA) | ||
Adin Raiche...
Just ignore Alex, I think he gets a kick from being a senseless asshole toward his fellow collectors. He already had his panties in a bunch from people hating on his beloved Mieles.
Back to the topic at hand, I prefer Miele in terms of ergonomics, but I prefer Sebo for durability and ease of repair. However, someone said that Miele has tiny bags. They may appear to be small, but I can go as long as two months between bag changes if I were to only use my Miele in my house with two cats and a large dog. Their bags are very well designed and maintain cleaning performance as they fill up much better than most paper bags do. I think that Miele machines are overpriced on the American market compared to European markets, but they are good machines. The only issue that I've seen to be somewhat common with them relates to the hoses, I've seen a few that split near the handle. This is caused by improper storage of course, but it is something to note. I've never heard of a Miele with a burned out motor from normal use. It's nice to long for a time when vacuum cleaners were simpler, but it's just like wishing the same thing for cars. Sure, they are all computer controlled and have seemingly unnecessary circuit boards now, but we benefit from these advances in ways that many of us likely don't realize. | ||
| Post# 422817 , Reply# 36 4/5/2020 at 13:32 (1,474 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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@crazykirbydude sorry don't take offense. I'm not trying to offend you or belittle you and anyway.
Legally you are a child at 17 those are the facts. @myles_v Don't stokke the fire calling somebody a child who is legally a child is not an insult. Not by a long shot. @speedqueen are you speaking of the trizact board inside the motor? That parts change as a whole assembly with a motor. Once the red light turns solid just change the part as the engineers intended. @repairman Do you have the Miele S7 repair DVD? Did you attend Miele dealer training on the s7? 16 hours of Labor my heart goes out to you. | ||
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Post# 423138 , Reply# 39 4/10/2020 at 13:24 (1,469 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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NOT getting involved in anything, but..................
everyone is entitled to his/her opinions. THAT is WHY we convene in here: to share, trade, laugh, teach, etc. As you know, I'm all Hoover. However, I'd never bash another collector, vacuum company, etc. In the 13 years I'm in here, I've never done that. Check the archives. I'm not perfect, either. But, I feel we should always welcome input, and, young men, (17), have the same right to express in here.
There are lots of 'other' vacuums about which I know very little. I rely on the other members for correct info. Sometimes, it's crystal clear. Other times, it's false. So, I've learned: everything in here is not always "Gospel". As the reporter said, "If your mother says she loves you, check it out". Let's carry on civilly. | ||
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