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Post# 420405   2/22/2020 at 12:18 (1,495 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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So once again, I have let emotion get the better of me. Earlier today, FedEx dropped off a big box on my front porch with a Heritage 1HD inside. By eBay standards, it was modestly priced and even included free shipping. The seller was apparently motivated enough to accept my best offer. Of course, you get what you pay for. It arrived missing the pin that holds the handle onto the motor housing, as well as the spring that holds the handle upright. Looking at the pictures a second time, I believe the spring may well have already been missing but there is photographic evidence that the pin was definitely present. I have messaged the seller regarding said pin and I hope to hear back from him soon. Meanwhile, I'll probably go to Lowe's in a little while to see if I can find a carriage bolt the proper diameter. Length is less of an issue as long as it's at least the same as the original pin. I can always get my hacksaw out and cut it to fit, if necessary. The spring is a different matter, though. I'll be needing one of those. Can anybody help me out with that or suggest where I can find one?

The other issue with this machine (at least for me) is it's got a shakeout bag, of which I'm totally not a fan. Fortunately, I have a complete Heritage II Legend bag assembly left over from last fall's adventures with the Legacy II, so I can easily give it full functionality with a filter bag (here we go again with another frankenkirby). It just won't look right—to my eyes, at least—without the pretty orange bag. But hey, function over form, right? I'll post some photos once I get it put together.


Post# 420408 , Reply# 1   2/22/2020 at 13:13 (1,495 days old) by Hoover300 (Kentucky)        

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There are disposable versions of the orange bag on eBay, but some of them are rather expensive for a bag. There is also a spring on there for the Classic series, not sure if it fits this though.

Post# 420413 , Reply# 2   2/22/2020 at 13:53 (1,495 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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So I went to Lowe's and found a bolt for less than 60 cents that is exactly the right size and then found the right size nut in my screw jar when I got home. Yeah, it's redneck engineering at its finest but it works. I could easily live with that arrangement if the seller doesn't come up with the original pin but I would probably add a washer to the nut side for long term use, maybe even a flat washer and a lock washer.

From a functional standpoint, the H2 bag assembly works just fine for now, so as much as I'm missing the orange bag from an aesthetic standpoint, this is going to be a franken-Kirby for foreseeable future. Besides, I can always throw the orange shakeout bag back on it for looks, unless I decide to sell it to offset the cost of the machine.

@Hoover300: Thanks for the lead on the spring. I'll follow up on that. I'd guess the odds are about even it would fit. It's certainly a question I'd ask the seller before I ordered it.

Below are a few photos for your amusement. It runs well and should clean up pretty nicely.


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Post# 420415 , Reply# 3   2/22/2020 at 15:42 (1,495 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Okay, so I ordered a spring (part no. 137073) for $6.00. Pretty much can't get around OEM for that part. I've also found the correct pin, which is apparently the same for models 516 through Legend II, on eBay but the best price for one is about $7. While it certainly wouldn't beak the bank, the 58-cent bolt as a long term option is looking all the more attractive.

Post# 420416 , Reply# 4   2/22/2020 at 15:46 (1,495 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Edgar,

Great score!

Here's the official Heritage 1HD parts breakdown.

The replacement handle fork spring for this machine is part no. 137073, and a replacement handle fork pin is 137879.

As others have replied, you will find plenty of Heritage 1HD disposable bag systems on eBay, but you will have to find one that fits your price range. Selling your shake-out bag would help offset the cost of buying the bag system you want.

~Ben


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Post# 420417 , Reply# 5   2/22/2020 at 18:00 (1,495 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Bag

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Here is a bag with a full length zipper. https://www.ebay.com/itm/143538237351... Here is adaptor, fill tube and bag adaptor. Here is everything in one. It's 89.99.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/174196896267...
I'd offer $40. If they ask wtf. Your reasoning could be I can piece together for $30. I think you are going to make this correct. It may stem back to your ex girlfriend. I like the hammertone grey emtor. I have the adaptor with Heritage 1 fill tube. I'm pretty sure they have a bag adaptor to fit newest sentria 2 and newer bags. I use Veva brand HEPA bags. I got 30 for $30. In my opinion the Veva bags are superior to green print Kirby HEPA bags. Did you get any attachments. I'm guessing probably not as you didn't get the handle pin.
Nice
Les
Sorry I had to edit post to add link.


Post# 420426 , Reply# 6   2/22/2020 at 19:57 (1,495 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)        

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The seller might have lost it when packing it, or it fell out inside the packing. Check inside the bag too to see if they slipped it in there.

Sometimes sellers mean well if they try and clean it up before shipping it - but they end up losing stuff a lot of the time. When I bought my Hoover Z700, the seller washed it in his driveway and I guess lost the plug for the back of the suction channel It's useless without that plug on it, been trying to find a rubber plug close to the same size but no luck yet.


Post# 420428 , Reply# 7   2/22/2020 at 20:05 (1,495 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Yeah Les, that's what I meant by letting emotion get the better of me. I don't think I'd pay $90 for that bag assembly, though. That's half again more than I paid for the whole vacuum cleaner with free shipping. I'll get that orange bag one day but I'll bide my time for the right deal to come along.

Ben, the vacuum didn't come with any tools but I recently acquired an almost complete Heritage Convenience Group. I was able to fill in most of the gaps with some Tradition blue tools I'd had for several years but I still lack the long, straight extension wand, the hose and the cary handle and strap for canister mode. The cord on this machine is a little the worse for wear so I found a parts lot that includes a good original cord, a handle that I don't really need but will use if it's better than what I've got, and an original hose, so I'm almost good to go on tools.



Post# 420436 , Reply# 8   2/22/2020 at 21:35 (1,495 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Huskyvacs,
I looked carefully through all of the packing material—what seemed like miles of brown paper—and it definitely wasn't there. Oddly enough, I found the 'Kirby Heritage' decal for the bag topper inside the emptor. Now the question is how to glue it back—if it indeed can be glued.


Post# 420455 , Reply# 9   2/23/2020 at 08:57 (1,494 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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The seller contacted me, very apologetic, and is putting the pin in the mail tomorrow so the bolt will just be temporary. Still, it was 60 cents well spent.

Post# 420478 , Reply# 10   2/23/2020 at 16:32 (1,494 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
A little less bojack...

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Okay, so I'm beginning to think I may need to consider giving up eBay for Lent. But at any rate, I now have the bag situation sorted—sort of. Les was absolutely right about the exorbitant asking prices on orange Heritage I bags but I found a naked bag for just $21 shipped—no emptor, no fill tube, no bag topper, just the bag itself. That gave me the bright idea of swapping that orange bag in place of the gray Heritage II bag that's on it now, using the H2 emptor and fill tube assembly. At a glance, the color scheme will look right, even if it's got the wrong boot at the bottom of the bag but I can live with that for the huge difference in price. That setup will also offer the advantage of using the same type of bag as all my Kirbys, so I'm calling that a win.

Post# 420490 , Reply# 11   2/23/2020 at 18:39 (1,494 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Yes

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The orange shakeout bag wouldn't be ideal. The heritages great at picking up golden lab hair. Golden lab hair in the heritage bag is a pain to get out. The bagged setup is smart.
You should post a pic of it with the bag when you get it.
Les


Post# 420501 , Reply# 12   2/23/2020 at 21:23 (1,494 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Yes, the shakeout bag wouldn't be very satisfactory with cat fur from my two shedding felines, either. I've always found disposable filter bags to be a far more convenient and satisfactory solution. I'll have to give those Veva bags a try when I need to replenish my supply and I'll definitely post photos as this project comes together.

Post# 420515 , Reply# 13   2/24/2020 at 04:43 (1,493 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Just a friendly reminder

You might want to check with texaskirbyguy for anything Kirby related. He has but a few parts and vacs laying around. Something to keep in mind. You've got almost all the Heritage models now right?

Post# 420530 , Reply# 14   2/24/2020 at 11:36 (1,493 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Heritage/Legend Family

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Yes, I now have a Heritage 1HD to replace the one that got away from me back at the end of the summer, a Heritage II Legend and a Legend II, which are essentially the same machines with different color schemes. Maybe I'll post a 'family photo' of the three after I'm through reconditioning this latest addition. What I don't have and I doubt I'd go out of my way to get are any of the sticker variations of the Heritage 1 (e.g., Heritage '84) or the early Heritage II that shares the Heritage I floor nozzle. That said, my Heritage 1HD essentially looks like an early Heritage II right now with the gray H2 bag and emptor assembly installed. The orange H1 bag I ordered yesterday will at least cosmetically bring it a little closer to its roots. To top things off, I plan to use the model appropriate bag topper from the shakeout bag assembly, which I'll be selling 'headless' once all else is said and done. And yes, I am aware of Texaskirbyguy's stash of stuff and have bought some things from him already, including a Heritage Convenience Group tool kit. This machine will be coming together in the next week or so as the parts roll in and I hope time and weather will converge to let me do some polishing on it as well. That reminds me, I need to find my extra drill battery and charge it up to be ready for a polishing party.

Post# 420541 , Reply# 15   2/24/2020 at 16:00 (1,493 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Well, the postman just brought the first shipment of Heritage parts so the refurbishment has begun. This was a parts lot consisting of a hose, handle and cord. The handle was kind of a bonus I really didn't need but I decided I'd use whichever one was better shape. As I inspected the two side by side, I realized that some parts of the original one were better, as were some parts of the second one so I ended up completely disassembling both handles, cleaning each part individually, and reassembling one handle using the best components of both and another from the lesser components to stash away or sell. I also took the opportunity to wipe down the whole vacuum cleaner with a Tub-O-Towels wipe so it's not as dusty. More updates as more pieces arrive...

Post# 420581 , Reply# 16   2/25/2020 at 14:45 (1,492 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Broken yoke...

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So I watched the video linked below in anticipation of putting in a new handle spring and discovered another potential problem--the handle yoke. Sure enough when checked, the little tab that maintains spring tension is broken off, just like the one in the video. Yet another thing to order and install but the spring may not even need replacing. At any rate, I'll be learning some new skills in the process. As an educator, I can't help but see that as a good thing.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO human's LINK


Post# 420598 , Reply# 17   2/25/2020 at 16:42 (1,492 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
You can do this, yes you can!

Puts the pom poms down. This shouldn't be too bad on Heritages. The early 500's, now that's a whole 'nuther' story'. My neighborhood Kirby repair guy didn't want to deal with mine, he got hurt once changing one out and that was enough for him. He said his brother in law was the only person he was aware of in our area who could easily do this, but he had died about a year ago, so I just live with it, it's not even a 'monthly driver'. I have replaced the spring in a DS-80 and a 'classic omega' with nary an injury so it's do-able.

Post# 420605 , Reply# 18   2/25/2020 at 18:47 (1,492 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX)        

I have replaced handle springs, tubes, and tabs without the special tool in several post 5xx machines without carnage. I gave the procedure around this site someplace, not sure where though. It just takes a strong wrist, a stout pair of large long nose pliers, a flat screwdriver, the knowledge on the assembly, and ideally someone to hold the shell still (though I did without). Wear eye protection in case something launches, just to be safe.

Post# 420659 , Reply# 19   2/26/2020 at 11:49 (1,491 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Yeah, judging from the video, it shouldn't be too hard to accomplish. While I had the handle off to comfirm the broken yoke, I experimentally tried turning it to tighten the spring with a pair of needle nose pliers and after a couple of tries to get the pliers positioned right, it wasn't hard. I'm not sure of the condition of the existing spring but a new one is on the way, so that could become a moot point. It would have been nice to have found the entire kit like the guy in the video had so I could refresh the whole assembly but it'll all work out okay. I'm also still waiting on the handle fork pin to arrive from the seller, not that I'm worried yet. He said he'd send it out on Monday, so I'm guessing it'll arrive by the weekend. The carriage bolt really works fine, other than requiring a wrench to remove or install it.

Post# 420661 , Reply# 20   2/26/2020 at 12:15 (1,491 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Human,

How does the motor look and sound? Can you tell if it has a lot of hours on it? Here's the question: How many amps are listed on the serial plate. I've been trying to find out why I've seen 4 or 4.5 amps on some Heritages and I don't know why they came down, especially at a time when many others were heading up.

Post# 420682 , Reply# 21   2/26/2020 at 17:53 (1,491 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
4.5 amps

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This machine has seen some use, but an inordinate amount, given its age. I haven't opened it up to visually inspect the motor but the seller said he'd opened it up, blew it out with an air compressor and made sure all the wire connections were all crimped tightly. He also said the carbon brushes looked very good. The brush roll is also in nice shape and is an older style silver painted one. He also put a brand new belt on it. The thing does have the older style gray Lexan fan, so that will probably need to be changed out at some point.

I ran the machine for about maybe 20 or 30 seconds after I put the carriage bolt on it to secure the handle and it sounded fine, no bearing noises or anything like that. The only thing I find a bit annoying about it is it smells a bit of cigarette smoke. It's not exactly overpowering but I do get a whiff of it when it's running. I'm sure it would be stronger with the shakeout bag in place. The motor is 4.5 amps with the carpet nozzle in place or 5.5 amps with the hose. If I'm reading the serial number correctly, it was manufactured in the summer of 1982. I think the other one I had was from 1983 but I'm not sure of the amperage rating on it. I don't think I ever looked.


Post# 420711 , Reply# 22   2/26/2020 at 22:20 (1,491 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Thanks for checking

I know that they went to 6 amp with the release of the "classic" which was the first of the larger sized Kirby's. Curious as to why they dropped back down to 4.5 amps. I think that that is why the Heritages have a nice mellow sound unlike any Kirby before. It's not keeping me up at night,nor you I suspect, but would be nice to know. Yeah that nicotine smell is gross. On a couple of rescued Kirby's just washing the bags didn't cut it. Had to take the motor apart and wipe down everything including the field wires,armature and the inside of the motor casing with 409 spray cleaner.I've had to deal with a cleaner where the previous owner used lots of carpet powder deodorizer like 'Love MY Carpet'. Ugh! That powder sticks to anything it comes in contact with. Those powders literally destroyed thousands of vacuum cleaners. Don't know if you read the tip from Dysonman a while back on using Mother's Mag. He said to apply it and leave it on for about 15 min, and when you start to polish, DON'T turn the cloth when it gets dark gray, let it build up and keep polishing, then buff it out as you would normally do. I tried his suggestion and saw a deeper shine than I had ever achieved before, This is hand polishing with cloths not a buffer, grinder etc. Worked for me!

Post# 420717 , Reply# 23   2/27/2020 at 01:58 (1,491 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Edgar,

That was exactly the issue I faced when I first brought home my 1984 Heritage II! I initially believed the lean-back was because of the handle fork spring, but on closer inspection thanks to my dear old Dad, it was actually the spring yoke.

~Ben


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Post# 420720 , Reply# 24   2/27/2020 at 07:36 (1,490 days old) by Louvac (A)        
Just and FYI about the grey bag with red "K's"

Human...

I believe that the bag that came with your Heritage was used as the Kirby universal bag replacement at that time. I had a Classic III that was redone by Kirby and that is what they put on in when I requested the paper bag setup. Truthfully, it actually makes the machine a little more refined (or dressed up)looking!


Post# 420722 , Reply# 25   2/27/2020 at 07:53 (1,490 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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The bag that came with that Heritage was an orange shakeout bag. I had that gray bag—complete with Heritage II style emptor and fill tube assembly—sitting on a shelf and installed it because I strongly prefer disposable filter bags. It came off of a Heritage II Legend, as evidenced by the label on the bag topper. I don't really object to the gray bag at all on that machine; I just have a thing for the orange ones. Irrational, but there you have it.

Post# 420736 , Reply# 26   2/27/2020 at 13:12 (1,490 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Professor,

Louvac is right about the bags and handles available as replacements back then. I built two Frankenkirbys from scratch and gave one to a friend and I'm still using the other daily. The bags are the same as the one on KirbyClassicIII's photo above. A new handle and pin and the conversion kit for filter bags was 65.00 in '95. The bag hanger says Heritage, but on the front of the handle it just says "Turbo" then Kirby near the fork. They really hold up well, mine looks as good as it did new. The bag on your Legend II is my favorite. Combined with an all black HeritageII handle , that's what I'd like to use if I ever do another Kirby makeover.

Post# 420744 , Reply# 27   2/27/2020 at 18:44 (1,490 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX)        

Regarding post 22 on motor amps...
With working headlight, the low speed for carpet runs between 4-4.5A and high speed for hose runs from 5.5-6A. The rating plate needs to reflect the maximum the whole unit will draw, which will be working headlight, no bag, and hose installed. Without a hose and safety switch depressed by hand, they can draw up to 6.5A normally.
The less restriction on the airflow, the more air will be moved, increasing motor load and decreasing motor speed.
On high speed without fan chamber installed, it makes a small hurricane and will pull up to 10A. I would not suggest doing this though as it sparks like a demon and chars the heck out of the commutator.


Post# 420763 , Reply# 28   2/27/2020 at 22:45 (1,490 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Wtf

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Kirby's highest motor output is 7 amps. There is two vacuums royal/sanitarie. It's only by 4 cfm.
If you mod anything try a g series motor and custom made a hole for carbon.brushes. you may have to cut some off and rethread.
It probably won't work but it makes no sense in what you want to do.
Les


Post# 420768 , Reply# 29   2/28/2020 at 06:29 (1,489 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
@ Les,

I think I got my question answered. I was just curious why the amperage rating on the serial plate went from 6amps. to 4.5 on the Heritage models. texaskirbyguy explained how it's done, the amp draw with light on and speed of motor and with or without hose and air flow etc. It explained a lot. I was just curious if the motors were all that different between the Classic/Omega /classicIII and the Heritage. Not going to hot rod any Kirby's. Idle curiosity got the best of me.

Post# 420876 , Reply# 30   3/1/2020 at 15:37 (1,487 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Good thing I'm not superstitious...

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...or I would think the universe was playing jokes on me.

So the orange bag I ordered was supposed to have arrived on Friday ('Guaranteed Delivery Feb. 28,' it said) but there's no evidence it's even been shipped and so far no response from the seller to my queries. I've got a complaint in with eBay on that one. We'll see what happens there. Either I'll get my bag or I'll get a refund. Meanwhile, the spring for the vacuum was supposed to have been delivered yesterday but it was "missent" by USPS and is now supposed arrive tomorrow. The pin the seller forgot to pack with the vacuum is supposed to arrive Tuesday and the yoke is supposed to arrive Thursday. I'll believe it all when I pull each of these items out of my mailbox. Sorry to sound so cynical; I'm just a little frustrated right now. They say two is a coincidence and three is a pattern so we're at coincidence and moving toward the pattern stage.


Post# 420877 , Reply# 31   3/1/2020 at 15:54 (1,487 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)        

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eBay delivery estimates are just that - estimates. Never go by those. They are just there to make people stop eMailing eBay with "where is my item" questions. Also USPS delivery dates are not guarantees either. They usually try to get there 1 day before the estimate but it can often come over a week later or 2 weeks later - it all depends.

If it's in the sorting hub in your city, expect it to be there the following day.

If the seller never shipped the parts - and is not replying - then open a case with eBay. You will get a refund and no bag, so have a backup bag you want to buy bookmarked, and make sure to ask the seller if they would go any lower on the price before you buy it, that way you maximize the refund you get back from the previous item.

Usually when I order things on the same day - they mostly all arrive on the same day a lot of the time, as they are in the same weight class.


Post# 420879 , Reply# 32   3/1/2020 at 16:02 (1,487 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Edgar,

I wish you luck on getting both these parts in a timely fashion! I also agree you should find multiple sellers who have the same item or items you want, in case one of the deals goes sour like you are presently witnessing.

~Ben


Post# 420887 , Reply# 33   3/1/2020 at 18:50 (1,487 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Motors

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Kirby mid dual sanitronic 80 switched manufactuers of motors. The motors were made the same way but slight changes to not copy prior motor. It was because motor patterns. The motors in general for d50 and d80 were the same. The 1cr is pretty similar to d80 but it's modified switch for the new 16 inch brush roll and wide body. The motor housing is very close to d80s. The 1cb motor is new and commutator is bigger and longer. The carbon brushes are bigger than 1cr. I don't know if the motor is more powerful than it is effecient. The bigger carbon brushes, bigger cool and just bigger everything. The bigger motor less Rpms but provides same power. The 1cb 2cb and 3 cb use the same motor. The coils I'm not positive but safety switches changed. The headlight stays similar 1cr through heritage 2.
I think the motor can produce more power in the heritage. I just think the coil is meant to limit power.
The heritage units were mostly bagged systems. That makes the motors run more effecently. The power is less amps but there is no way it's less effecient. I think it was the start of Kirby bagged systems, 16" brush roll, high CFM. It's maximizing the effecency. The g series uses a 7 amp motor and transmission. It's CFM and nozzle design were big.
They completely sealed the motor and double insulated motor housing.
The motors in heritage are less amps but it's already souped up. The heritage in my opinion has the most suction from the pre g series 16" nozzles.
Les


Post# 420890 , Reply# 34   3/1/2020 at 19:52 (1,487 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Human,

What a pain these delivery people (some) can be. I wonder by what percentage their total volume of pkgs. delivered has risen to in the last 20 yrs from online shopping! If you don't receive your handle pin in due time, let me know and I'll send you one of mine for free. A couple of my Kirby's are most likely going to be parts machines anyway. @Les Thanks for all that info on the motors, that's the stuff I really like to read.Why changes were made and what difference the change made, or not. You probably know as much or more than a good deal of people AT Kirby, thanks.

Post# 420892 , Reply# 35   3/1/2020 at 20:32 (1,487 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX)        

Les, the 1CR (Classic) motor did incorporate the larger commutator and larger carbon brushes and is rated at 6A. The field and armature are unique to this one machine only as it is the last of the non-double insulated motors.
The headlight on the 1CR was the last 120V dual-pin bayonet base bulb.
Needless to say the 1CR is a real odd-duck machine, caught in the transition from the 5xx/Dxx series and the double insulated machines. It seems like they are not too desirable, either for some reason.


Post# 420893 , Reply# 36   3/1/2020 at 21:06 (1,487 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I've already opened a case with eBay about the bag. We'll see what comes of it. I'm hoping it will light a fire under the seller and they'll go ahead and send it out. I've had that happen before. But if I have to keep the gray H2 bag on the machine for a while, so be it. Getting the handle spring assembly fixed is really the larger priority. The incompetence of USPS simply knows no bounds. Several times recently they have mis-sorted a package addressed to me and sent it to the wrong city. The real frustration here is it's spring break at school so I have this coming week off from work and would have liked to work on it this week. Oh well, I guess I'll just have that to look forward to while I grade papers.

Post# 420899 , Reply# 37   3/1/2020 at 23:04 (1,487 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Rob

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Your right. I assumed new body same headlight means same carbon brushes.
The motor is real close to d80 the coil and the armature fan are the man differences.
I think the reason classic isn't desirable is the switch placement and no scuff plates just odd. I do like it but it's odd and it's a mother effer to work on.
Les


Post# 420936 , Reply# 38   3/2/2020 at 16:43 (1,486 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Spring and Pin Arrived Today...

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In addition to the usual assortment of junk mail, today's post included both the pin that the seller had left out of the original shipment and the spring that I ordered and probably don't need.

At this point, the bolt is out, the pin is in and I'm just waiting for the yoke to make it functionally complete. No response yet from the seller regarding the orange bag. My gut tells me eBay Buyer Protection will be issuing me a refund in a few days and I'll be leaving the seller appropriately negative feedback.

And so it goes...


Post# 420942 , Reply# 39   3/2/2020 at 18:30 (1,486 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
texaskirbyguy

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Rob,

The only post-1969 Sanitronic series to have the Classic-style carbon brush assemblies were the Super-Sweep 18 (from serial no. 210001, 1979-1982), its nearly-identical successor the Super-Vac 180 (1982-1985), and the Kirby COMVAC 1300 (1982-1984).

So, those working on these three should be careful as to what carbon brushes and holders to use when the time comes to replace them.

~Ben


Post# 420945 , Reply# 40   3/2/2020 at 19:51 (1,486 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX)        

Human, it is possible the seller did not get as high a bid as desired and is now contemplating canceling the sale entirely to try again later. This happened to me several times, including recently on a Classic III attachment set. After having shipped a bunch of this stuff, I knew he wasn't going to make anything on it. I also had one item take a month to ship and 3 weeks to actually make it here.
Hope you get your $$ back and find another bag. I have one but it is attached to a vacuum. :o)

Ben, the Classic 1CR started the use of the larger 118076 carbon brushes, the ones used up to the Legend II (not sure about after then). Even the holders to them were used in later models as well. I learned a lot this weekend after stripping four 1CR parts units. I checked the parts book to confirm as well.
I now have a 1CR motor and a D80 motor on my bench outside. If I ever get some free time I want to see if the brush holders, fields and rotors all interchange. Would be cool if they did as it could bring a future to these 1CR motors that are destined for scrap.


Post# 420949 , Reply# 41   3/2/2020 at 20:39 (1,486 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Actually, it was a 'Buy It Now' transaction and I paid the seller's asking price so it's all on them. Their feedback, although generally positive, does show a similar incident within the past six months where they failed to ship the item, did not respond to inquiries and let eBay give the buyer a refund. Doesn't seem like a very good way to do business and it's certainly not the way I operate when I sell on eBay. I do hope eBay turns around and charges the refund amount back to the seller's account. I've got another orange bag on my watch list for more than twice what I paid for this one but I'm not keen on shelling out that much. I'll probably just keep looking since the machine is perfectly functional with the gray bag; it's just not as pretty. I know it's stupid but I really do like the orange bag.

Post# 420957 , Reply# 42   3/2/2020 at 22:39 (1,486 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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Hey weird gut feeling. Try Craigslist for a bag. I may have an extra bag I can check tommorow. I have 40-60 bags. I'll check in case you need one.
Les


Post# 420994 , Reply# 43   3/3/2020 at 16:02 (1,485 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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To my surprise, the handle yoke showed up unexpectedly today. Putting it in wasn't too bad. I only busted one knuckle but I could only get the tension turned to the first notch when it really needed to go to the second. Oh well, it was the best I could do with a pair of needle nose pliers. Hey, at least the handle will stand up by itself now without being backed up against a wall. I may mess with it further on another day. Right now, I'm thinking an orange bag, a good polishing and she'll be right as rain.

Speaking or orange bags, I've still heard nothing from the seller—very frustrating. I would have thought better of a seller with a feedback rating north of 1,200. That said, thank you Les for checking your stash for one. Just for fun last night, I test fitted the maroon bag off of my Legend II to see how that looked since I'd spotted one far cheaper than any orange bag I'd seen—other than the one I bought and never received. I like it better than the gray one but it's still not what I really want. It'll all come together eventually.


Post# 421000 , Reply# 44   3/3/2020 at 17:32 (1,485 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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So while I had the Heritage apart to install the yoke, I gave it a bit of cleaning and discovered that other than some dirt and tarnish, it's really in pretty decent shape. The gray Lexan fan has a few little nicks but isn't as bad as I would have thought and the underside of the floor nozzle is surprisingly clean—Love My Carpet/Kill My Vacuum powder appears to have touched this one, which is surprising considering the cigarette odor. The two often seem to go hand in hand. The only other thing that's a little off abou it is the foot operated power switch doesn't stick out as far as it should.

While I had it apart, I also stuck the charcoal gray bag topper from the original orange shakeout bag onto its present gray Heritage II bag. It helps the look somewhat, although it isn't perfect. Just for giggles, I may go out to the barn in a bit and get the matching charcoal gray bag guard band off of the shakeout bag to put on it as well.


Post# 421010 , Reply# 45   3/3/2020 at 20:09 (1,485 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Looking Better...

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It's a subtle difference when compared to the black Heritage II pieces, but having the original gray bag header at the top and guard band at the bottom further tie the whole thing together. The monochrome color scheme still isn't my all-time favorite but it's not bad.

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Post# 421019 , Reply# 46   3/3/2020 at 22:02 (1,485 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Busy

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Yesterday city came and installed fiber internet. I mailed off phone to get fixed today. I just been flat out too busy. I have a very large number of bags. I just looked on eBay I have a full zipper bag. I think there's a 1 inch long Nick on the bag. It's the only blemish. I do not have a heritage 1 vacuum. I have heritage and legend 2s.
If you already committed on this I apologize. .if interested in the bag let me know.
Les


Post# 421020 , Reply# 47   3/3/2020 at 22:19 (1,485 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Does the front

of your handle say turbo? Mine does also, I wonder what that's all about? Those sticky carpet powders people used to mask cigarette smoke and doggy dander etc. only made things worse. They coat every part of vacuum cleaners that air circulates through and leave a sticky residue that wreaks havoc. On top of that, the fragrance fades leaving the original undesired scent behind, which is why just changing the bag usually isn't enough to rid the vacuum cleaner of odors. I hope you get the orange bag soon, it will happen one way or another.

Post# 421024 , Reply# 48   3/3/2020 at 22:30 (1,485 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Turbo

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They have heritage 84, heritage turbo etc. The turbo I think was when turbo renovation group came out. It had turbo trimmer, turbo brush.
It's basically saying it came with those attachments. The turbo brush is my favorite Kirby brush.
Les


Post# 421040 , Reply# 49   3/4/2020 at 01:33 (1,485 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Turbo

Thank you Les that makes sense.

Post# 421055 , Reply# 50   3/4/2020 at 09:33 (1,484 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Yes, both of the Heritage 1HD's I've owned have had he 'Turbo' logo on the handle.

Les—sounds like you had quite a day yesterday. I haven't committed to anything bagwise at this point, although I'm still waiting for the seller to respond regarding the one I bought. That case is set to close Saturday, most likely with eBay Seller Protection issuing a refund. That said, I would be interested in an orange bag, if you have one. Just let me know we'll work out the particulars. The vacuum is perfectly functional as it is, so there's not a major rush. My earlier angst over this project has abated considerably since I got the handle fixed yesterday. Besides shining it up, the next thing I need to figure out is why the power switch is sagging.


Post# 421068 , Reply# 51   3/4/2020 at 14:21 (1,484 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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So I took a break from grading some of the most abysmal English essays I've ever seen to tinker with the Heritage for a little bit. I managed to find the problem with the switch; it wasn't secured at the rear by the long screw that goes in behind the rear wheels. That is now fixed but when I tried it out, the headlight wouldn't work. The bulb appears to be good and there don't appear to be any loose wires although the soft plastic cap that covers the upper brush on the motor wouldn't stay on. I almost resorted to securing it with a bit of electrical tape. I'll have to open it up again later to try and figure out what's going on. Right now, I need to get back to grading.

Post# 421080 , Reply# 52   3/4/2020 at 16:03 (1,484 days old) by Air-WayCharlie (USA)        
Human...

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Hi. I wanted to share these pics here since I just got my Heritage 1 back from Kirby this week after a rebuild. I also have included pics of one of my Classic Omega's after it came back from Kirby last month.

I saved the original bag from the Heritage as it has the white tab the says, "Kirby 84", and the new ones of course do not. However, as I now have an extra brand new genuine Kirby Heritage 1 bag, (see photos), you are welcome to it. The new one has the black zipper as opposed to the original silver metal.

I kept the original cord since the new ones are black. I also kept the original bag topper that says, "Kirby Heritage 84", and the new one does not. Also used the original gray lower bag guard as the new one would be in black.

I did have two correct gray wheels I replaced as seen in the photos. Now if I can just find two more NOS for the front! On the Omega, I replaced the original bag, (which in not in very good condition but worth saving), with a genuine Kirby Omega bag and had a tailor sew on the Omega patch I had from the past. The tailor also put in a zipper. I added a mini-emptor and fill tube and voila!--the Omega has a disposable bag.

Let me know about the Heritage bag. It has your name unless you let me know otherwise. Contact me through the email system here.


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Post# 421084 , Reply# 53   3/4/2020 at 17:34 (1,484 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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I knew a teacher but an English teacher. I can spell, type write in abundance. I do not talk like I post. My phone auto corrects everything. I also have run on sentences often. I apologize for my shortfall.
I went to where I have my bags in the shed. It was the first visible bag. I never find things that easily. I'm trying to be more organized and it's paying off.
Well enough backstory (fanboy none of them would connect rest of the sentence but only together complete the sentence) I have the bag. It has a 1" long black mark. I washed the bag too. I know if you continue to try to get out the black mark it would fade. I'm attaching pics so you get the idea.
I have a classic 3 the light I tried to switch for led and it's became a pain so I stopped ax it's only a light. That light setup is just wonky. The switch on my my classic 3 is sagging too.
I have the black bag collar but no topper. The bag has a place for top of the film tube. I have the whole fill tube assembly but adapter at bottom for emtor I don't have.
Les
Last info. The black mark im pretty sure dish soap will take it off. I'll put a little on it to make sure. I'll post pics if I get out black mark.


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Post# 421111 , Reply# 54   3/4/2020 at 23:24 (1,484 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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Orange is the New black. I got the black off of the bag.
Les


Post# 421123 , Reply# 55   3/5/2020 at 04:39 (1,483 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Abysmal English Essays

In the time that you've been teaching, have you seen this situation getting progressively worse? @Air-Way Charlie, Both cleaners look great, I'm really liking your Omega and photo#9 is a clear example of poetry in motion, very nice!

Post# 421127 , Reply# 56   3/5/2020 at 08:11 (1,483 days old) by Air-WayCharlie (USA)        

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kirbyklekter,

Hey thanks for the nice words! I have a soft spot for the Omegas. I've had five over the years and am keeping two. The one you see and one more. Two I restored, two were done by Kirby and one was done by a vac shop owner who is a friend. He did a beautiful job and kept it all original.

I've owned all the Kirbys since the 561 and they were all restored by either myself or Kirby. However, the one elusive one was the Heritage 1 and now I finally have a nice one of those.


Post# 421135 , Reply# 57   3/5/2020 at 11:18 (1,483 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Charlie:
Your Heritage 1 is gorgeous. Glad you have it exactly the way you want. I'll ask Miss Mercy for the other two wheels you need. If she doesn't have them, you know she will get them.


Post# 421141 , Reply# 58   3/5/2020 at 13:56 (1,483 days old) by Air-WayCharlie (USA)        

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Tom,

Thank you!  I am trying to keep it as original as possible. Miss Mercy found a bag for the Omega too that is nicer than the original one I have.

If she can find those wheels I will be doing cartwheels and that ain't easy at this old age......smile


Post# 421151 , Reply# 59   3/5/2020 at 17:29 (1,483 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I teach humanities courses as well as English so I try to be 'humane' with those not in my English classes when it comes to grammar and punctuation. As for my students' writing ability, it does seem to get worse and worse. I blame the high schools for not teaching grammar (they have no idea how to diagram a sentence, much less conjugate a verb) and the fact that the only "writing" they do outside of school is texting, in which not only punctuation but also most vowels are seen as superfluous.

Wow, what an embarrassment of riches to have not one but two orange bags now available to me and I'd be quite happy with either of them. Thanks to both of you for making those available. That said, I feel a little funny about giving the impression of pitting one of you against the other. I'll contact each of you privately and we'll work something out. Look for an email with the subject line "Orange Bag for Human".



Post# 421156 , Reply# 60   3/5/2020 at 21:41 (1,483 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Les,

Since your e-mail address isn't on your profile, please e-mail me at the address in my profile so we can discuss the bag.

Cheers!


Post# 421173 , Reply# 61   3/6/2020 at 09:53 (1,482 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Human

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Human doesn't wish to have email shown.
Mine is lesinutah@hotmail.com.
I'll make mine visible in my profile.
Les


Post# 421185 , Reply# 62   3/6/2020 at 16:46 (1,482 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Shine Time!

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So I finished grading papers today and decided to give the Heritage some much needed attention. It was a little chilly to sit outside and I didn't want to sling polish all over the kitchen using the polishng wheel on my drill, so I opted for a round of hand polishing, using my 'one-two punch' of Nevr-Dull wadding and Mother's. As the photos below (taken with and without flash) will attest, it's looking a helluva lot better. Also, I was kind of lazy and didn't dismantle the machine any further than to remove the handle (which didn't get polished), the nozzle and the plastic cover from the back of the motor housing.

I stumbled onto the 'one-two punch' last fall and it basically consists of vigorously rubbing the Nevr-Dull onto the metal until there is a visible coating of polish, then without wiping it off, rubbing Mothers on top of it and continuing rubbing the metal until the paper towel is black and most of the polish appears to be absorbed. The final step is to buff it with a clean paper towel until the metal gleams, repeating the entire procedure two or more times until the desired sheen is achieved or your arms give out, whichever comes first. The two products together work much better and achieve superior results to using either product by itself.

I also took the opportunity to tear down the floor nozzle, remove a whole bunch of crud and replace the belt, which was intact but worn ridiculously thin.

Anywho, here are some 'after' photos that you can compare to 'before' photos posted earlier in the thread. Does it look like it just came back from Kirby? Hell no. but for an hour's work, I'm pretty pleased. On a warmer day when I have some time, I'll go back over it with the little buffing wheel I have for my drill.


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Post# 421232 , Reply# 63   3/7/2020 at 14:42 (1,481 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Nice Human

Now you can say you have the Heritage Trio! They are definitely a favorite among many a Kirby collector and others who just know a good cleaner when they use one. When you polish your vacuums using your drill, what routine or method do you use? if you have a deep scratch do you use something else to get rid of it. I tell people that I decided to leave some scratches as is for posterity. Truth be known, I just don't have the know how or experience. Someone here said they've used the Handy Butler with the cable that has the drill bit attached and the various pads and rouges. I would think that using a variable speed drill would be easier if you were to go that route.

Post# 421234 , Reply# 64   3/7/2020 at 15:45 (1,481 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I tend not to worry about getting all the scratches—or battle scars, as I like to call them—out of my machines. I just leave them as the badges of honor that they are. That said, I try to do my best to avoid adding any additional scars.

The drill I like to polish with is a Black & Decker 20v variable speed cordless with a lithium ion battery pack. The battery pack will run for quite a while and I have a second one as a backup. I basically use the same procedure as for hand polishing, except I'm doing the heavy buffing with the drill. Either way, patience and persistence are key to a great shine.


Post# 421235 , Reply# 65   3/7/2020 at 16:26 (1,481 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        

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Edgar,

Speaking of long waits between getting certain things you want, I finally got the original red air adjustment plate for my Kirby Classic III!

I mean, its shipping route was shocking: it mistakenly went to Guam, and when that was realized, it was then shipped off to Hawaii before finally arriving here in Portland, OR yesterday!

~Ben


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Post# 421261 , Reply# 66   3/8/2020 at 10:07 (1,480 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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That kind of reminds me of those old "Family Circus" comic strips where they send the little boy on some simple errand and then show the convoluted route he took to accomplish it. I had a similar experience this week with hood I ordered for one of my camera lenses. It arrived Thursday, some three months after I'd ordered it. Yeah, it came from China but that usually takes about three weeks, not three months! I have no idea where all it went during that time as tracking ceased once the package left China Post's hands but the refund made it to my PayPal account before the lens hood made it to my mailbox.

Speaking of refunds, eBay Buyer Protection has ruled in my favor and issued a refund for the orange bag I bought but was never shipped.


Post# 421268 , Reply# 67   3/8/2020 at 13:19 (1,480 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I just can't stop tinkering with that Heritage. Earlier, when I put what I felt were the best pieces of the two handles together, I was a bit dissatisfied by some tape or decal residue on the front of the one with the better looking metal that I just couldn't seem to remove, so I got out my drill and my polishing supplies and went to work on the other handle, which was the more tarnished of the two—but not anymore! I ran one battery completely out on my drill and probably took a good chunk of the charge off of the other one but it's now nice and shiny, or at least shiny enough to look like it belongs with the rest of the machine, which I polished by hand on Friday. It still won't win any beauty contests and it surely would never be mistaken for one that's just come back from a trip home to the Kirby mothership, but it's lightyears ahead of where it was when it arrived on my doorstep a couple of weeks ago. It should once again have a proper orange bag very soon and I'll post some photos of the finished product, once that's in place. I can't think of much more to do to it right now, other than replace the fan and the brush roll, but those items aren't totally mission critical at this juncture.

Post# 421406 , Reply# 68   3/10/2020 at 18:47 (1,478 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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I was wondering if you were interested or if you found a bag? I found the topper.
Les
lesinutah@hotmail.com


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Post# 421410 , Reply# 69   3/10/2020 at 19:06 (1,478 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Charlie

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You have a heritage 2 legend 2 belt lifter stcker. I'm not sure on the chrome hub caps if it's legend color or early red heritage color.
The wooden brush roll, the chrome polished, 84 insignia and tags. That is truly a beautiful vacuum.
Les


Post# 421419 , Reply# 70   3/10/2020 at 21:15 (1,478 days old) by Air-WayCharlie (USA)        
Les

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When Kirby did the rebuild I was informed that not all parts would be original. The original belt lifter sticker was replaced as well as he hubcaps. Kirby no longer makes those items in the original color/style so they use the Legend II replacements as they work with the HD-1 color scheme and they can keep less inventory for older vacuums.

I removed the bag topper and original bag before shipping as I knew I would not get the original ones with the, "84", insignia returned.

Thanks for your nice comment!


Post# 421420 , Reply# 71   3/10/2020 at 21:17 (1,478 days old) by Air-WayCharlie (USA)        

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Post# 421437 , Reply# 72   3/11/2020 at 14:55 (1,477 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Orange is the New Bag!

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Thanks to the generosity of Air-Way Charlie, My Heritage 1HD now has a new (and by that I mean brand new) original style orange bag! It's one that had come back from the Kirby mothership with his fully restored Heritage 84. Aside from the black zipper, the bag also differs from the vintage Heritage style bags in that the strap inside that secures the fill tube is made of woven nylon instead of the bag material and has Velcro to secure the end of the strap. I'd call that a minor design improvement. For what it's worth, the Heritage II style emptor and fill tube assembly went in with no problems.

The only extremely minor issue is the original gray bag guard band is a bit stretched out from spending many years on the shakeout bag's older style emptor. I haven't decided yet, but the black Heritage II band that was on the gray bag may be in its future. I think it would blend into the mini emptor and look okay. I realize some folks might see the later style mini emptor as incorrect, but it's functional and it allows the vacuum to use the same style filter bags as the rest of my Kirbys and would even allow it to use newer HEPA style bags, so I see it as an improvement over the older design, sort of like a restomod.

Below is a complete rundown of the repairs and improvements I've made to this machine:
• Temporarily replaced missing handle pin with appropriate sized carriage bolt and nut.
• Replaced original orange shakeout bag assembly with a Heritage II filter bag assembly.
• Replaced damaged cord with a better used one.
• Rebuilt handle with the best parts of two.
• Replaced carriage bolt with original handle pin.
• Replaced missing 'Heritage' decal on bag header.
• Replaced broken handle yoke and set spring tension.
• Polished oxidized aluminum.
• Replaced worn belt, cleaned and adjusted bush roll.
• Replaced gray Heritage II bag with new orange Heritage I bag, using H2 emptor and fill tube

All in all, I'm vey happy with the way things turned out and since Charlie was so kind to provide me the orange bag I needed, I'll be happy to pay that forward if someone would like to have the orange shakeout bag with its original emptor but sans the bag header, let me know and I'll be happy to pass it along.

So without any further ado, here are some photos of the finished project, along with a 'family photo' of my three Heritage/Legend series machines.


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Post# 421448 , Reply# 73   3/12/2020 at 00:14 (1,477 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Well, they all look great.

To my taste it's the middle one that's my favorite. Are the bag rings at the bottom all the same size whether shake out or mini-emptor? I think they are. Anyway, nice additions to your collection. When you've completed a resto and there's nothing waiting in the wings to do next, do you experience a mild withdrawal, because the project consumed a good deal of time, and then it's over and crickets.. This is where I have to exercise restraint. Running out of space helps with the discipline,if I had a barn as many of you do there's no telling how many vacuums I'd have by now. I'd have to attend a 12 step program for vacoholics as you once alluded to! Cheers.

Post# 421450 , Reply# 74   3/12/2020 at 00:49 (1,477 days old) by Air-WayCharlie (USA)        

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Edgar,
Absolutely beautiful lineup! At one time I had a Legend II rebuilt by Kirby with all the original attachments. It was stunning. I gave it to a friend so she could enjoy the wonders of a Kirby. I kind of regret letting it go. There are still plenty of them out there and maybe there will be one in my future.

Many Kirby dealers that I have spoken with raved about the Lengend II--it's wonderful balance when vacuuming, the maneuverability of the smaller head and most of all the pleasing color which is so attractive to the eye.

The one I had, had come from a club member that was a vac store owner so it was in damn nice shape to begin with. Kirby rebuild did their magic and like I said, it was stunning. The tools and hose were in, "like new", condition.

Thanks for the pics and I'm glad the bag has a new home! Now I'll just have to see about a Legend II in my future...…………...


Post# 421462 , Reply# 75   3/12/2020 at 10:50 (1,476 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Yes, I'm quite fond of the Heritage II Legend and I think the red Legend II bag on it makes the other red accents pop a little more. Conversely, the gray bag on Legend II actually works to tone down all that red a notch. Since acquiring these three machines, I've definitely become more of a fan of the Heritage/Legend series.

Post# 421914 , Reply# 76   3/19/2020 at 23:04 (1,469 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Surprise Package

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I found pleasant surprise waiting for me on my doorstep today. Another little care package had had arrived from Air-Way Charlie, who had previously supplied me with a beautiful, brand new orange bag for my Heritage 1HD. This one contained a pair of shiny gray cord hooks to replace the ones on my Heritage, which had taken on that faded, almost chalky appearance. These replacements just set the machine off quite nicely. I look at the machine now and it's hard to believe it's the same decrepit looking device that hit my doorstep almost a month ago. It's come a long way in a short amount of time. I have to admit I had my doubts early on as to how it might turn out but its 'ugly duckling' transformation has been truly amazing. I've just been leaving it in the kitchen where I can admire it every time I go in there.

Post# 421963 , Reply# 77   3/20/2020 at 19:05 (1,468 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Human

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Nice job on the vac restoration.
I was looking at your pics. The legend 2 is suppose to have the bag that the middle heritage legend has. The legend should have the bag the legend 2 has.
I believe you already know this. It just threw me off. I have 2 legend 2s.
Les


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Post# 422050 , Reply# 78   3/22/2020 at 21:31 (1,466 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
A whole lotta bag swappin' goin' on...

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Yes, I'm aware those bags are swapped. I'm the one who swapped them. I've always thought it was fun to swap parts of similar things around to achieve a unique look. Sometimes it looks dumb and sometimes it looks really cool.

I acquired both of those machines last fall, the Legend II in mid-September and then the Heritage II Legend a few weeks later. The Legend II with a smashed mini emptor and the best deal I could find for a replacement was to purchase an entire Heritage II Legend bag assembly. The vacuum came a day or so after the bag assembly arrived, so out of convenience, I just put the whole Heritage II assembly onto the Legend II, then tore down the red Legend II bag assembly to launder the outer bag. I kind of liked the look of the black bag on that red machine, so I ended up swapping the red Legend II header and bag guard band over onto the black bag, knowing I could always swap them back at a later time.

By the time I acquired the Heritage II Legend in late October, I had lucked up on a mini emptor for cheap and so ordered a new fill tube to replace the one from the Legend II, which was in "Swiss cheese" condition. I rebuilt the Legend II bag assembly using the red outer bag and the black topper and band from the Heritage II bag assembly and then just for fun, I stuck it on the Heritage II Legend when I got it and really liked the look so I left the bags swapped.

I put the complete Heritage II Legend bag assembly on a shelf until I got the Heritage 1HD and first put it on that machine in lieu of the shakeout assembly. I ultimately scavenged the emptor and fill tube from it to put onto the new orange bag, along with the shakeout bag's topper and bag guard band.




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