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Post# 418348   1/9/2020 at 10:52 (1,561 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Happy New Year!
Pretty soon, info will come out, regarding The VCCC convention. This year, it will be held in Atlanta, Georgia. More info will forthcoming. But, to clear up some facts: They are all not drag queens, etc. It's been reported that all are gay. MOST might be. But, it is a convention that welcomes ALL kinds of people. It might be called fabulous, because it is a fabulous event. There are no drugs, or sex parties. That is NOT in accordance with ANY rules. I'm sure, in the past, and, after hearing about events at other clubs, things of that nature might happen. IF that ever were to happen at a VCCC function, it would be stopped immediately, and authorities would be involved. At NO TIME, would a minor, (junior member, or underage guest) be introduced or subjected to anything of that sort. It is imperative that all of that is made clear. They are NOT "homosexual parties". Any inference of that would/could be considered slander.And, that would take on a whole new plan of action. So.......................... get ready for info, so you can make plans to go to Georgia in June. John |
Post# 418351 , Reply# 1   1/9/2020 at 11:56 (1,561 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)   |   | |
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I don't recall any of this behavior from the VCCC conventions I've attended since 2011. The person who is making these statements has not been a member since 2006. He was asked to leave. He is speaking from his past. As John said this behavior will not be tolerated. This is all a power struggle and what I mean't by childish competition in my previous post.
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Post# 418354 , Reply# 2   1/9/2020 at 12:26 (1,561 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 418365 , Reply# 4   1/9/2020 at 15:12 (1,561 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 418369 , Reply# 5   1/9/2020 at 15:48 (1,561 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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Post# 418400 , Reply# 6   1/9/2020 at 23:58 (1,560 days old) by sanitairewill (Hampstead maryland)   |   | |
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Sounds good. I'm definitely NOT gay and i do smoke weed i have a medical card but i wouldn't do it around anyone that doesn't. I definitely plan on making the trip this year though. I just don't want to get hit on by guys and honestly would punch one in the face if he tried. But anyway i have some pics of my collection but i need to update them tomorrow. I have some more Kirbys and others not pictured yet
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Post# 418412 , Reply# 7   1/10/2020 at 09:14 (1,560 days old) by bnsd60m9200 (Akron OH)   |   | |
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Post# 418415 , Reply# 8   1/10/2020 at 09:23 (1,560 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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First, welcome to the world of vacuums. You might make great friends through this.
In order to attend a VCCC convention, you'd have to joining that club. At one time, Vacuumland and The Vacuum Cleaner Collectors' Club were one. Now, we're separate, but friendly.If you were to be gay, you'd be welcomed. If you were straight, you'd be welcomed. (You'd fit right in). No one would really care. So, thankfully, there's no need to even think about 'punching anyone in the face'. So, again, a peaceful welcome to you, Will. John Long, Vice pres, V.C.C.C. |
Post# 418418 , Reply# 9   1/10/2020 at 11:23 (1,560 days old) by sanitairewill (Hampstead maryland)   |   | |
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Thank you John Long. Hopefully tonight or tomorrow morning i will have newer pics uploaded. My collection isn't much yet i have around 35 but i go to goodwill often and vac shops. In 1 month at my goodwill i bought a 1998 Kirby G5, 2007 Kirby Sentria, hoover Concept 1, and also found a 1978 Kirby Classic 3 at the curb on bulk trash night. My favorite Kirby i own is my 1948 508. I have a lot of Sanitaires, Royals, Kirbys, a couple hoover convertibles, 3 c type dds one being a 96 MVP and the other 2 being 92 Deluxes, a blue 1980 ESP and the logo still lights up on the hood. One of my Royals is a supreme electro hygiene. All of my aluminum vacuums are polished up with mothers aluminium polish. I love my vintage and commercial uprights and I'm always looking for more and nos parts
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Post# 418427 , Reply# 10   1/10/2020 at 14:49 (1,560 days old) by RainbowD4C (Saint Joseph, Michigan )   |   | |
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Will.
Not to be rude or anything but after reviewing your prior statements I have to congratulate you on doing something that not many people can do. Completely offend me. Which is just really rare. I don't get offended often. I just get really pissed off. So let me put your mind at ease. Not all gay men are going to hit on you or want to sleep with you. Many of us I'm sure have an amazing amount of self control and many of us have partners that we enjou being with. I'm sure that you are extremely safe. Plus many of us who have seen your statements Im sure will make sure to not do anything that will make you feel uncomfortable in any way. Regards Andy Snow |
Post# 418479 , Reply# 12   1/11/2020 at 08:26 (1,559 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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I have to say as webmaster of Vacuumland, I have attended the VCCC conventions in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, we hosted 2012 here in Minneapolis and 2013. I have never seen any of the kind of behavior that was described at these conventions. It's just astounding that anyone pays any attention these silly rivalries between the two vacuum clubs.
Glad to see you guys standing up and correcting what is clearly incorrect. |
Post# 418490 , Reply# 14   1/11/2020 at 10:48 (1,559 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)   |   | |
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Robert! Kenkart - John(who started this thread) was responding to the negative remarks made towards the VCCC in this thread:
my new finds, and yet another gay collector is there a link?, reply #12. In the Contemporary section. I remember Minneapolis well that was my first convention. CLICK HERE TO GO TO kloveland's LINK |
Post# 418499 , Reply# 17   1/11/2020 at 14:37 (1,559 days old) by RWebb91 (Sullivan Illinois )   |   | |
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I can say for myself, that I had a wonderful time at the VCCC convention at Kansas City this summer. Everyone was very nice to me, there was no drama until someone from the other side showed up uninvited.....
Other than that I loved the fact that we were there just to talk about vacuums and share/play with the ones we have. Also, why does it matter if you are a vac store owner or not? Its like saying a car show should be full of mechanic shop owners. |
Post# 418502 , Reply# 18   1/11/2020 at 14:52 (1,559 days old) by RainbowD4C (Saint Joseph, Michigan )   |   | |
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Rug Pile Dial.
I understand where you are coming from. I really do. And a lot of what you said I agree on. But as someone from an older Generation of the LGBTQ community it is also our responsibility to educate and teach others.in my opinion it seems that Will is the type that has this preconcieved notion that us as the LGBTQ community want to sleep with a d woth who ever we can. It is to us to correct that notion with our own thoughts of no thats not the case. And not all if us are like that. Not all of us will seem him as a person thay we want to be with. The self control it took me to not completely open fire on Will and completely go off was difficult beyond words. Believe me when I say he has only caused himself damage and has completely discredited himself with what he has said and how he feels. But for the most part this is a relatively calm forum. We have had our issues in the past and we have been able to move past them which has helped. Our webmaster Rob is one of the best and is extremely up to date on what goes on and always willing to help if there is a problem. I have already seen Rob comment on this thread so I know he is aware of whats going on and I'm sure that he will intervene if necessary. As for Will's statements about inflicting bodly harm on a person "if they were to hit on him" right now this is a website. And while I comepletely disagree with him and yes he is breaking multiple rules; in the event that we were to ever meet up I'm sure it will be easy enough to mind our own business and not put ourselves in ahy situation that could create a problem. This is a great site to be a part of. I have been on here for well over 10 years I think. And I have made some great online friends and have had some amazing interactions with people. I'm asking you to give this a try and stick around a little longer. Best Andy Snow This post was last edited 01/11/2020 at 15:08 |
Post# 418507 , Reply# 19   1/11/2020 at 18:37 (1,559 days old) by sanitairewill (Hampstead maryland)   |   | |
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To those i offended in my previous post i'm sorry. From the way the thread started it sounded like they had problems in the past with certain people making unwanted advances. I'm here for the vacuums not to cause anyone problems. I just wanted it to be very clear that i would be very uncomfortable if a guy hit on me. I love vacuums, muscle cars and love p**sy. We may have different likes ect but we all love vacuums and that is what this club is for and i think it's great. Seems like we are a rare breed so i love that there's a group for us to discuss vacuums and show them off
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Post# 418527 , Reply# 21   1/12/2020 at 01:32 (1,558 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 418529 , Reply# 22   1/12/2020 at 08:52 (1,558 days old) by rodknock95 (Salem, Missouri)   |   | |
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I think all of this has been taken 6 times around the dance floor. |
Post# 418539 , Reply# 23   1/12/2020 at 13:14 (1,558 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 418557 , Reply# 25   1/12/2020 at 19:48 (1,558 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)   |   | |
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John is part of the VCCC with over 60 members. It's not about him. He has an organized club behind him. The newsletter is for the benefit of our club the VCCC. Which is open to everyone. How is that being a narcissist? John is simply trying to convey information and VacuumLand is the only public site to do so on. I am so tired of all this turning of tables on us. It's pathetic! I don't think I've ever told an adult man (or an organized club) what to post and what not to post on a public site.
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Post# 418566 , Reply# 26   1/12/2020 at 20:38 (1,558 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)   |   | |
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Post# 418570 , Reply# 27   1/12/2020 at 22:31 (1,557 days old) by Kloveland (Tulsa)   |   | |
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both groups can agree to disagree with no slandering from either side. We will leave you alone if you leave us alone sort of thing. It is actually a good thing there are two groups. A collector can choose the group or club that best suits them. To me it’s not a competition.
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Post# 418571 , Reply# 28   1/12/2020 at 23:06 (1,557 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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A few things; First, when starting a post, mini meets, etc. ARE on the list.
Our conventions have always been talked about in here, as are gatherings, even Thanksgiving dinners, etc, from other interests. These conventions have been attended by our webmaster in the past. "I" am not in a contest or competition with anyone. I do not address certain post OR posters. I feel it's so asinine, really. Everyone can see the veiled innuendos, double intendres, insults about tea, cookies, houses, etc. To quote the movie, "Love, Valor and Compassion".... "This is tired, Ramone".I cannot be responsible for actions, etc of others. I will not be bullied or insulted, either. Just this week I was sent very nasty emails from someone whom I thought was a friend. He will never set foot in my home again... the Palace. That, (in case anyone thinks I have any affectations... was given to my home by a friend, not by me. I, too, am here to enjoy vacuums, friends, get knowledge, etc. I feel it ridiculous that non-paying members could cause such discomfort for others. So, ignore the lies, insults, tricks, etc. I see and know that many others are bored and tired of the nonsense, too. I choose to indulge my passion for all things "Hoover". So, sorry if any others had to put up with such 12 year old silliness. So, keeping it real in Vintage.... bagged or bagless? Canister or upright. |
Post# 418576 , Reply# 29   1/12/2020 at 23:38 (1,557 days old) by rivstg1 (colorado springs)   |   | |
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Post# 418581 , Reply# 30   1/13/2020 at 07:13 (1,557 days old) by Kloveland (Tulsa)   |   | |
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Agreed John, you started this thread in response to slanderous statements made about our convention. Which is convention related. When a poster creates a thread in vacuumland the poster is given a set of categories. Anything convention related has always been set up to be posted in the vintage section. Try creating a new thread you will see the categories/tags.
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Post# 418597 , Reply# 31   1/13/2020 at 15:06 (1,557 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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@luxlife @rivstg1 I agree with you there should definitely be a separate place to post this sort of thing.
I believe though it's intentionally put in the vintage section to hide it away from less serious collectors. There also appears to be some sort of secret $15 newsletter you can sign up for. This is really mind-blowing to me as somebody who makes free 4K detailed vacuum videos for everybody to see. |
Post# 418599 , Reply# 32   1/13/2020 at 15:31 (1,557 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)   |   | |
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It's a not secret. And believe it or not some collectors still like printed newsletters and the concept of an organized club. Just like many collectors still collect vacuum literature. Not to sound rude or hateful I think it would really be beneficial to read past posts in context before making a judgment.
A newsletter is not for everybody and we are not saying it is. If another collector doesn't want to participate no one is being forced. We are all free to make our own choices. CLICK HERE TO GO TO kloveland's LINK |
Post# 418601 , Reply# 33   1/13/2020 at 16:26 (1,557 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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Post# 418603 , Reply# 34   1/13/2020 at 16:37 (1,557 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)   |   | |
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Post# 418627 , Reply# 36   1/13/2020 at 20:50 (1,557 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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The Vacuum Cleaner Collector's club was founded on January 2nd, 1983 by John Lucia and Alex Taber. It was the very first group of members who were known to collect vacuum cleaners, and the only form of communication was a newsletter.
As years passed meetings were held, first in Chesterton, Indiana in 1985, and then for the next 12 years in Naperville, Illinois. In time the club acquired a forum for its membership until it was decided that it would be better if it merged with Vacuumland. I do not know the logistics of all this, I only know the first 12 years of the V.C.C.C.
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Post# 418629 , Reply# 37   1/13/2020 at 21:09 (1,557 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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The cat shown here is Caligula, and he was the mascot for the Vacuum Cleaner Collector's Club. This picture dates back to 1986 around the time the first meeting was held in my home in Naperville, Illinois.
In May of 1995, I retired from the club, relocated to San Diego, California, and am no longer associated with the management. But, the V.C.C.C. was the first to provide information to the members and was designed to be a teaching club and resource center. Interestingly, that is exactly what Vacuumland is today. I leave it to John Long to fill in the blanks. Alex Taber.
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Post# 418634 , Reply# 38   1/13/2020 at 21:52 (1,556 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Nobody is posting anything in any forum.
I can understand each point. I'm just saying he is contributing to a board with little or no posting from almost everyone. I don't mind it as it's something with substance. We sit back cast stones yet we only criticize convention posts but do not post anything on any topic. I'm not taking sides. I'm saying is maybe if we stop worrying about someone else when you could contribute to the board posting other topics. If you sit back and don't converse on topics and judge contribute not complain. It's just how I live my life. If I'm not doing anything to make it better stop complaining. If you argue it is negative energy that could be used in a positive manner. If you don't like it don't read it do something good with your time. Life is too short to waste negative energy. We all like vacuuming let's collaborate not retaliate. Les |
Post# 418635 , Reply# 39   1/13/2020 at 22:01 (1,556 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)   |   | |
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I really don't know how to answer some of your questions without naming names and I would rather not do that. Alex (Caligula) knows a great deal of club information since he is one of the founding members. When I first joined the V.C.C.C in 2009, Vacuumland was part of the club benefits because VacuumLand was owned by us. Then in 2013, the V.C.C.C board at the time decided to separate from VacuumLand. I'd rather not go into the specifics of that either and in reality those are past events. Yes we do have a website (see link below) we could build a forum of our own. One of the club member's partners is a website designer. If we did have a dedicated forum for ourselves it would not have the recognition that VacuumLand does. I hope this answers some of your questions. Our website has more information about the V.C.C.C.
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Post# 418638 , Reply# 40   1/13/2020 at 22:43 (1,556 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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The Vacuum Cleaner Collector's Club has a rich history, and has its roots with the Hoover Historical Center, the actual date goes back to September of 1980.
The reason for the club was to dispel the put-down's of family and friends of a young collector, and the off-putting question "you collect what?" The club was designed to put adults who had private collections, but no way to research a given brand, model, or get patent information together. Those original members were starving for the history that companies like Electrolux would not give. The result was the Newsletter in which the assorted back stories were told. We also shared phone calls and learned from each other. Because we were a small group of guys into vacuum cleaners we never thought it would grow, nor did we see any reason to register the club. Things changed in November of 1984 when a member contacted me about a gathering of the membership, result the first meeting in my mom's family room in Chesterton, Indiana. Again, we saw no need to incorporate, as we were still too small. But later that year I relocated to Naperville, Illinois, made that house club headquarters and my own collection became the club museum. The Newsletter was a 3-6 page collection of articles, history of a given company, and a classified section. I was the one who typed, edited, and mailed each issue. Not bad when it was 5 or 10 members, but by 1993 it was becoming the tail that wagged the dog, and by May of 95 I was ready to retire. I have no idea how, or when the little club John Lucia and I formed went global, there was a forum, but I had no say in any of it, nor do I have any say now. I was merely the one who with John Lucia, got the ball rolling. And again I say, for further questions I defer to John Long as he knows far more about the merging with Vacuumland than I do. Alex Taber. This post was last edited 01/13/2020 at 23:00 |
Post# 418642 , Reply# 41   1/13/2020 at 23:14 (1,556 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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WHY all these things?
Well....... There are TWO forums, because Robert, the webmaster, is the one who started and has a passion for the "washers", thus, Vacuums AND laundry machines. Yes, were were all one. Robert decided to "go it alone". We separated, BUT, The VCCC has an info website, but, we are graciously still allowed to post in HERE, and, we do. For instance, in 2007, we celebrated Hoover's 100th birthday IN North Canton, Ohio, The Home of Hoover Appliances. We were joined by our members from England, Australia, etc. We were a GLOBAL club. Several members are no longer members. The reasons are described in a newsletter from 2007, (page 3). It seems some are angry, bitter, vindictive, etc. NO need to go into that here, certainly not by me. Yes, there are people who are friends with members of both groups. Totally their business. However, if/when people say things, do things, call vacuum companies, bashing The VCCC, these things should not be tolerated. Does anyone disagree with that? But, there's more to that So, I hope this clears up some of this. Alex Taber and John Lucia started The VCCC, 37 years ago.It is still going strong, although it has changed, grown, morphed, etc through the years, and should. |
Post# 418656 , Reply# 42   1/14/2020 at 16:30 (1,556 days old) by completenutt (West Hollywood, California)   |   | |
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Not sure what your implying about what happened years ago. So without having any details I can add my 2 cents saying that if you get a bunch of men most of whom are gay and have a lot in common into a Room, there's bound to be some sexual tension. Are you saying that people should just ignore that? For propriety? I'm 99% sure that at most conventions, straight or gay, some people hook up. I'm quite disgusted how you are creating Animosity between groups of people who just want to enjoy their vacuums and live their lives. I will miss this group, it was my 1st outlet to find people who had similar vacuum interests, but as a prior post mentioned there is a lot of snobbery, and clique-ish behavior, and I don't find it a comfortable place anymore. I wont be renewing my membership next year. |
Post# 418657 , Reply# 43   1/14/2020 at 16:53 (1,556 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 418662 , Reply# 44   1/14/2020 at 19:04 (1,556 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 418664 , Reply# 45   1/14/2020 at 19:11 (1,556 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 418671 , Reply# 46   1/14/2020 at 21:13 (1,556 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)   |   | |
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You know what I think?
I think y'all need a moderator, who can... oh, I dunno... moderate? Because like. Seriously guys, nothing actually happened in this thread to warrant all this drama. Looks to me like somebody made a stupid offhand comment (that was immediately apologized for!) and everyone else got upset for various reasons, and they all think that they're right and everyone else is wrong. And there's no authority figure present to point that out and set the record straight, so you get a couple of members ragequitting and a lot of leftover underlying tensions for no good reason at all! If this was my forum, my mods would've shut down this thread so fast. Consider getting moderators. |
Post# 418681 , Reply# 47   1/15/2020 at 03:30 (1,555 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)   |   | |
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This is a public and moderated site madmax. It's not a back alley nor is it a romper-room. |
Post# 418686 , Reply# 48   1/15/2020 at 09:21 (1,555 days old) by Hmc1981 (St. Augustine, Florida)   |   | |
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Well now I’m going to chime in...
I believe it was my post from the past mentioning the snobbery and clique-like behavior. It could be a different post, but I do know that I have made such a post in the past. There’s a lot of rivalry on here and it shows. It’s uncomfortable and unwelcoming. Not at all the group it was when I joined (non-paid member). I was considering becoming a paid member, but in my personal opinion, paying to have a full membership is only (indirectly) encouraging such behavior to continue. As far as conventions go, I’ve never been able to attend one, but I imagine they (at least the large ones) are hosted in hotels. I cannot imagine for the life of me anyone doing the dirty during the actual convention, as the hotel would never allow such a thing. If people meet each other and have a liking towards one another, and after convention events have ended they decide to go back to a hotel room that I expect they have paid for with their own money, and they decide to engage in sexual activity, or any activity, it’s on them and it’s nobody else’s business. I just don’t see the point of this thread. It’s disappointing to see so much rivalry. I’ll bet that the people who have an axe to grind probably have much more in common with each other than they think. |
Post# 418688 , Reply# 49   1/15/2020 at 13:15 (1,555 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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First, John Pecan Tree.why do you continually remove your posts? Just curious. I usually miss them--except for that last one.
Some parts of what you said are absolutely correct. It seems I did "arrive at the party late". I do NOT think, however, that I'm clever.I also do NOT think I'm above anyone, at all. I'm also, not stupid. I've taught students from age 5 to college, all subjects, all levels. I've been a 'model' for two universities (in their education departments). I've also taught blind children. So, I've been around the block, a few times. I've been hired to troubleshoot, edit, correct college reports, etc. I'm paid to be smart.... not cocky. I've also taught at one of the most prestigious music schools in the nation. THEY were cocky. Yes, I WAS a target here, I was easy, convenient, etc. I've always said, "I simply want nothing to do with certain people, and will NOT respond to them. Certain people have said everything under the sun...causing even a few to 'turn '. It's OK. There is NOTHING MORE that could possible be said to me, or about me that could upset me any more. All it really does is 'showcase' one's ignorance and maybe,even, stupidity. I'm not putting myself in battle lines of rivalries, etc. I know what I know...and, it's a lot. I don't even "collect sweepers". I have a passion and respect for all things to do with The Hoover Company, thus, I have a collection of vacuums, as well. So, I thank Robert for allowing these discussions. I thank so many of you for your support. I'm proud to be a member of The VCCC, even a board member. I'll welcome most into my home, very few exceptions. And, I welcome people to my home during the 2021 VCCC convention, held in Scranton, PA. So, let's move on, shall we? And, indulge our passion for vacuums. John Long.. (for clarity). This post was last edited 01/15/2020 at 13:32 |
Post# 418691 , Reply# 50   1/15/2020 at 14:43 (1,555 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)   |   | |
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And I, for one, would be very sad to see you leave this forum. While I do collect other brands of vintage vacuums besides Hoover I consider you a treasure trove of information regarding Hoovers and the once-great company in Canton, Ohio. You yourself, Tom Gasko, Charles Lester (though I haven't seen him on here much lately) are what make this forum "tick." I was sorry to see Tom Anderson go, and shenanigans like these are what drive people away. I'm sure the conventions are conducted in a respectful manner and whatever people choose to do in their own free time behind closed doors is their business. Can't we just get back to the hobby which is vacuum cleaners pure and simple?
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Post# 418725 , Reply# 51   1/17/2020 at 09:42 (1,553 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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