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Post# 416034   11/17/2019 at 08:07 (1,614 days old) by rodknock95 (Salem, Missouri)        

Does anyone know what kind of little bulb, lights up the check bag light on the canisters of the 70's and 80's? Or the bulbs that light up the overheat, bag full, bag question and power lights on the 2100? There all the same but they are not LED and for the life of me cannot remember what they are.

Blaze


Post# 416048 , Reply# 1   11/17/2019 at 12:58 (1,614 days old) by jrdavis (oklahoma)        
do you need one?

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I might have one

Post# 416051 , Reply# 2   11/17/2019 at 13:06 (1,614 days old) by rodknock95 (Salem, Missouri)        
Neon?

I think they are little neon bulbs


Post# 416093 , Reply# 3   11/17/2019 at 19:05 (1,614 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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Neon would be my assumption.

Post# 416114 , Reply# 4   11/18/2019 at 01:31 (1,614 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)        

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I found an old thread where the user posted a photo of the disassembled check bag light. It's a little neon bulb with a resistor all as one plug-in unit.

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Post# 416115 , Reply# 5   11/18/2019 at 01:47 (1,614 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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Resistors and neon indicators as discrete components are a dime a dozen, if you need to repair one of these. Also, if the resistor value is too low, it will overdrive the neon, causing it to blacken the glass (and appear dim or inoperative).

Post# 416153 , Reply# 6   11/19/2019 at 05:51 (1,612 days old) by kb3pxr (Waynesboro PA USA)        
Overdrive

Overdriving the neon is fine for something like a bag check or no bag indicator as over the life of the machine the lamp will likely see less than an hour of operation unless it is a demo model and the lamp is being demonstrated constantly. It would also be okay for an overheat indicator as that should rarely operate. The "Plugged In" indicator on the 2100 is the one where you have to watch the current closely. The phosphor coated glow lamps (which are required for the green color) had shorter lives to begin with. Additionally, the plugged in lamp is going to see the most operating time.

 

As for how these fault indicators work, this is simple, the lamp assembly (neon plus series resistor) is wired in parallel across the switch. When the switch is closed, the current takes the path of least resistance through the switch and the motor runs. When the switch opens, the lamp assembly is then in series with the motor which provides a current path,. With the high resistance, the motor simply acts as a low value resistor (for all intents and purposes you would consider it a conductor) but can't run.

 

Edit: In the paragraph above I forgot to mention that the switch I'm talking about is the switch that detects the fault such as the bag full shut off switch, the no bag shut off switch, and the overheat limit switch (thermostat).


Post# 416206 , Reply# 7   11/20/2019 at 06:14 (1,611 days old) by rodknock95 (Salem, Missouri)        
Power Indicator

That is exactly the one I am talking about because the glass is black, it still works, but very dim

Post# 416256 , Reply# 8   11/20/2019 at 21:41 (1,611 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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Well, there you go :P

Post# 416259 , Reply# 9   11/20/2019 at 22:06 (1,611 days old) by blknblu (CT)        

well .. mine still works :)

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