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Thread Number: 39128
/ Tag: 50s/60s/70s Vacuum Cleaners
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| Post# 415107 10/20/2019 at 20:08 (1,648 days old) by Hmc1981 (St. Augustine, Florida) | ||
Just have a question.
Do any members and or visitors of this site ever get the impression that lately, things in here have been a bit lacking in the discussion area? It comes off to me that there’s a specific group of people who converse and engage in discussion, and anytime someone outside that group has something to share, it’s looked over, no discussion, nothing? It’s almost immediately any new posts get bumped down and forgotten. If you look at the Facebook groups, there’s much more activity and actual engagement amongst members. It used to be that I would visit this site because of the camaraderie and information that was shared. I just don’t see that here anymore. I was thinking about becoming an official member and paying my dues, but I just don’t see spending my money only to come on here and find only a small select group of people essentially bumping everyone else’s attempts at beginning new discussions down to the bottom where they will be quickly forgotten. I’ve seen John try so very hard, putting so much effort into trying to create something for all of us to enjoy, only to have others ramble on incessantly about how great they used to do it. No words of encouragement for something new. I don’t know. I’m not trying to start an argument, and if it becomes one, those who make it into that only have themselves to blame. I guess what I’m saying is that this site just doesn’t seem at all what it was. I can only imagine the struggle of those actually spending their personal time trying to create content to keep things going, only to have people complain about it being too soon to ask thoughts for an upcoming holiday issue. There’s a lot of bullies on here, it seems. Anyway. I know I’m not the only one who has thought this, just wanting to see if anyone else is willing to say that they’ve noticed it too. Also, it seems as though Fred and Robert never participate. And I posted this in the vintage section intentionally. | ||
Post# 415114 , Reply# 1 10/20/2019 at 22:07 (1,648 days old) by vacuumlad1650  (Wauponsee, IL) |
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As much as I love my sweepers, they are not the primary focus in life. I work 60+ hours a week on top of being a full time college student. Most days the last thing I want to do when I get home is rattle off a post online or toy with a sweeper. These days getting the vacuum sweepers out or working on then is a treat for me.
Just my two cents... | ||
| Post# 415115 , Reply# 2 10/20/2019 at 22:09 (1,648 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
Touche
I was going to post on 505 trim post but seeing overwhelming amount of posts I don't like talking to myself.
I did see your 562 sanitronic with white cord and it has dark handle. My 562 is sparkly tan. My sanitronic 7 is light tan and d50s are the tan Kirby sells everywhere. I don't have facebook. I don't post much and I am not as intense posting. I used to post more than anyone. I look and see maybe three posts in each section and no replies. I don't post much because nobody seems to care. Les | ||
| Post# 415116 , Reply# 3 10/20/2019 at 22:15 (1,648 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 415124 , Reply# 4 10/21/2019 at 01:39 (1,648 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
Speaking as somewhat of an outsider - I don't see myself as a vacuum cleaner guy (despite the fact that I seem to own 10 vacuums [hmm...]) - it does kind of seem that way. Not much conversing goes on. Rather, not much out of the ordinary conversation, anyway. I try to pitch in for technical questions - as I'm good with that - but all the chit-chat about the intricacies of Kirby colors and styling cues is not really my cup of tea.
I imagine other people here feel similarly about other topics that people want to talk about, and don't say anything. Honestly, that's perfectly normal. Even if you asked everyone to contribute something to every thread, what would they end up saying? 'Nice?' Hardly the conversation that was desired in the first place, I think. | ||
| Post# 415125 , Reply# 5 10/21/2019 at 02:34 (1,648 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
Ive been reading the archives a lot, and I noticed the place had a lot more going on in 2007+. I think just the time changes and the vacuum cleaners out on the market now aren't much to talk about like it was back then. I have seen a lot of new members around that just joined so that's a good thing at least.
I have a lot of backlogged vacuum finds to post here, but I've been busy a lot as well with housework - I think th problem is just everyone is busy. Maybein winter there might be more going on. I joined here in 2017 and I never got many comments on my posts either. Maybe 4 if I'm really lucky. Most of them just get buried under Kirby or Dyson accessory discussions or when a new Miele is coming out and that's about it - it gave me the impression that maybe eBay sellers are right and nobody wants old vacuums anymore and I'm just crazy. lol I haven't even been finding any vacuums in thrift stores either. I seen a Dirt Devil 100 series hand vac and a Dirt Devil stick vacuum and that's about it. Youtube is not exactly a great site for discussion based chatting, but youtube has a lot going on with people making vintage vacuum videos. I think maybe this site just needs some more exposure and to be more known, that might help bring in more talkative people and kind of filter them in from youtube and other groups. It seems like if anything isn't instantly accessible and clickable within 0.005 seconds on those dumbphones these days, then nobody knows about it. | ||
| Post# 415128 , Reply# 6 10/21/2019 at 05:51 (1,647 days old) by Hmc1981 (St. Augustine, Florida) | ||
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All very good points
Being busy (I am too), new machines not being interesting, only topics about specific trim pieces, etc.
But there was more going on a couple years ago. I have seen a lot of us and them, albeit very subtle, but I know who the people are and their little Hatfield vs McCoy battles, it just is childish and is a turn off. It’d be disingenuous for everyone to comment on a post, yes. Les - you don’t have to create a personal page, you can “be someone else” the Facebook groups have a lot more going on, more discussion and encouragement. Better sense of being in a group. Give it a shot! | ||
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Post# 415133 , Reply# 8 10/21/2019 at 13:00 (1,647 days old) by vINVAC (Dubuque IA) |
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I still enjoy visiting this site. Life is busy for most of us.
There are several reason I believe why perhaps we don't see the conversations we used to see on here. Many of us are no longer an active part of the VCCC which originally started this site until fighting and bullying forced us to get out of it. There were always down times in the year when the site was not as active. The convention brought us all together and activity would spike before and after. Now we have Facebook and other ways to communicate, which are all good. However it does have an affect on this site in my opinion. Quite honestly, I have found Automatic Washer to be of more interest to me. Not because of washers but the conversations that happen in Dirty Laundry. That group seems so much better at polite conversations and able to agree to disagree. Robert has done an outstanding job with this site and Automatic Washer. I still enjoy both and check in when I can. | ||
| Post# 415135 , Reply# 9 10/21/2019 at 14:02 (1,647 days old) by bnsd60m9200 (Akron OH) | ||
there's a simple reason. facebook killed the internet forum. almost all of the people that used to post here regularly several years ago have now shifted thier activities to facebook, myself included. i know many of them personally and interact with them there often. i have a vintage vacuum group there myself. i post to help people out with techincal problems here, but finds and other daily musings of vintage machines i post there.
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Post# 415140 , Reply# 11 10/21/2019 at 15:29 (1,647 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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I agree with so much of this.
First, Thanks, Robert, for having this available. Yes, Vacuumland AND The VCCC. I'm understanding that Fred is no longer a part of V land.
I love to see others adding topics, points, pics, etc.Sam Addison and I 'brought the VCCC Newsletter back to life. and it's thriving. Our VCCC has just increased membership by 7 people. I, too, have experienced the 'bullying'. I was bullied as a child. I'm sure others were as well. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN TO ME AGAIN!. I simply will not 'allow it to hurt me', along with any person so inclined to do so. So...... I suggest, forge ahead! post, ask, show, tell, share. that IS why we are here. tho indulge our passion for vacuums. And the others, to quote the nuns I had... "can go and fry ice"! But, thanks for noting the elephant in the room. it's a good thing. | ||
| Post# 415144 , Reply# 12 10/21/2019 at 18:20 (1,647 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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For me I'll never join Facebook because I hate that site. I only made a dummy account to use for my PS4 to transfer game footage off there and some websites that require Facebook to post a comment. Just today I was locked out of my account for "suspicious activity" (there was none). They want my mobile number to unlock the account - I don't own a phone. Then they say they want me to scan my government issued photo ID and send it to them - not a chance! They want you to use your real name, real phone number, and all that just to make an account, I will never be a part of a site that requires that before you even register. Way too much that hackers can get into when they breach those websites and access with that info, and the less easy you make it for them the better.
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| Post# 415147 , Reply# 13 10/21/2019 at 21:55 (1,647 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
I'm certainly no vacuum expert but I do read threads on machines and brands that interest me. If I feel I can add meaningfully to the conversation, I will; otherwise, I just read and absorb information. I also like to chronicle my own repair / renovation projects, both to elicit assistance and input from other members when I need it and to provide a record of what I did so others might not have to make the same mistakes I did. And of course, there's also the excuse to show off new acquisitions.
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| Post# 415150 , Reply# 14 10/21/2019 at 22:42 (1,647 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Post# 415159 , Reply# 15 10/22/2019 at 05:57 (1,646 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles) |
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 ~ As I'm getting older, I'm gradually becoming less inclined to throw myself into the difficult, messy work of restoring old vacuum cleaners.
Also, having accumulated so many machines and related STUFF has become a burden -- physically and emotionally. The happiness that my collection once brought me has greatly dissipated and has become a source of anxiety.
A major ("and I do mean major") household move looms in the foreseeable future, meaning I am going to have to relieve myself of the bulk of my collection other than a half-dozen cherished machines. Which, I suppose, is a good thing -- all things considered.
All of this is factoring into a "diminishing of my fervor" for vacuum cleaners. And that, in turn, means I tend to post less and talk less about them. | ||
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Post# 415160 , Reply# 16 10/22/2019 at 06:33 (1,646 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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I have reduced acquiring vacuums----I have just run out of space!So enjoy the vacuums I have. | ||
| Post# 415161 , Reply# 17 10/22/2019 at 09:14 (1,646 days old) by Hmc1981 (St. Augustine, Florida) | ||
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Facebook
Absolutely has killed traditional Internet forums. I myself am a co-moderator on a Kirby group, and as other have mentioned, I too have a personal life and do not always have time to reply to everything posted. There’s members from all over the globe and I just do not have the time to focus on every individual post. Time is not anything I was ever speaking of though, nor the shift from Internet forums to Facebook. It was more the “elephant in the room” as mentioned by John and the subsequent who is heard and who is drowned out that seems to happen more on here than it does in the Facebook groups.
I’m not saying that I no longer enjoy visiting this site, but I am seeing a very large difference in how it was only a couple of years ago to what is today. As far as archives, yes it is wise to search them before asking, but there still is no harm in not searching and asking anyway - I’ve read some quite curt responses in those situations. Anyhoo... I’m on a break from work, have to get back. I’m actually polishing the old terrazzo flooring today with an old Johnson’s polisher I picked up locally from somewhere. Works great! Have a good day, all of you. | ||
| Post# 415162 , Reply# 18 10/22/2019 at 10:20 (1,646 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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| Post# 415180 , Reply# 19 10/22/2019 at 21:10 (1,646 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 415182 , Reply# 20 10/22/2019 at 22:13 (1,646 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
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In my experience running forums for a gaming community for many eons, and being the person who's had to personally intervene and defuse countless situations, it seems to me that the so-called 'bullying' on forums is just the result of simple miscommunications. At least 90% of the time, anyway. I've also found that if they're not dealt with immediately by a moderator, the tensions between the people quickly fester and leave both parties with a deep-rooted hatred of each other for a long time. If not permanently. And I mean skillfully handled, not just posts deleted, but actually talking through it with both parties, like a psychiatrist.
My point being that communication via typed words on a computer screen never fully communicate a message. As humans, we do not primarily speak with words. We speak with tonal inflections, pauses, facial expressions, and body language. All of those things are lost in a place like this. And while successfully communicating within those constraints is possible, it takes great skill from lots of practice, and even then it's never perfect and failure happens often. Of course it would help if we had BBCode (hint, hint). And it's amazing how one person can read something one way, and another person can derive an entirely different meaning from it. Almost like art... hmm. The root of the problem is that most people fail to recognize the constraints of this type of communication, and that miscommunications are commonplace, and they jump to conclusions instead of calmly asking questions. And I'm not innocent of this, either. Happens to me all the time. It's human nature, I suppose. | ||
| Post# 415194 , Reply# 21 10/23/2019 at 04:52 (1,646 days old) by fantomfan57 (Central Texas) | ||
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MM.... you are so on point with all that you wrote. Very well explained. I totally understand what you wrote. Thanks for your post. | ||
| Post# 415195 , Reply# 22 10/23/2019 at 07:14 (1,645 days old) by DaveVac (Westlake, Ohio) | ||
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Well said MadMan You very eloquently expressed exactly what I was trying to communicate...you did it much better.. | ||
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Post# 415239 , Reply# 24 10/23/2019 at 15:39 (1,645 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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That was SO well put!
Some try to get a rise out of others, or, belittle others.
See how worried I am about that??? My advice to everyone, (although, not asked for), is to post all you want, ignoring anything bad, mean, undermining, etc. Some people in here have become wonderful friends. There are others whom I've not met, but, would very much like to. There are also others whom I've never met, and plan to keep it that way. I'm not really just a collector of Hoover cleaners, but, have a genuine interest of all things pertaining to The entire Hoover Company............. Great comment! Keep it up. | ||
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Post# 415321 , Reply# 26 10/25/2019 at 12:49 (1,643 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Well, then, I'll calmly ask a few questions, if I may
John (Pecan tree): I'll ask if you were referring to ME? A veiled post, as it were. Because, I have asked, Tom who? We have a Tom (VCCC member from New York), my friend Tom Anderson, some may remember him. If you are referring to me, please say that you are. If not, so sorry, perhaps it was someone else? And, if you could please point out when/where I've bashed a different vacuum company OR an actual person....if you can find a post where I'VE mentioned a person by name, to bash, I'll gladly apologize to him or her. Who is Sister Agnes? What does she collect? Is she a member? I never had a Sister Agnes in school. I DID go to convent school. Could you be referring to me? If so, yo be clear, was it in a nasty way? IF so, I'll ask, what have I done to YOU? Do I know you? Have we met? Do you care to? Please point out when I've hurt you, insulted you, bashed you....no one even knows your address. Am I vain? Narcissistic? Those are serious accusations/perspectives from some one who never met me. .... almost slanderous. But, if you were not referring to me, so sorry. IF you were, please feel free to take all of this to a private email. or, even feel free to phone me.
Thanks, so much. Oh, and, I've been called loads of things. I'll try to locate the post where I've proclaimed myself as a Hooverphile... haven't found that. Or, maybe it's a whole different person,and company. Where is the Hoovrah Company located? Do they have a website? Do you have any of their products? Again, maybe you are thinking of someone else. If so... poor guy. But, peace to you. | ||
| Post# 415331 , Reply# 27 10/26/2019 at 16:45 (1,642 days old) by Hmc1981 (St. Augustine, Florida) | ||
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John...
Do you hear the crickets responding to your comment? I sure do. It’s things like this that I was talking about with my original post. Nothing to do with lack of time, or other nonsense. Seems (to me at least) that I’ve confirmed my own suspicions.
In any case. I hope you have a great day, and keep up the fantastic work! | ||
| Post# 415353 , Reply# 29 10/27/2019 at 15:08 (1,641 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
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A passive aggressive response does not help anything. I know it might seem like taking the moral high ground, but it's still just a thinly veiled attack. It's just adding a different fuel to the flame.
This is why these things need to be handled immediately. And they clearly haven't been as there's some underlying tensions in this place. Sadly, there's not much to be done about it now. | ||
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Post# 415369 , Reply# 30 10/28/2019 at 00:11 (1,641 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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A thinly veiled attack
by? possibly me?
I've always faced things head on.... family, medical, personal, etc. If you look at old posts, you'll find that I've been called everything under the sun... publicly AND to numerous people. I've stated that I was bullied as a kid... NEVER to happen again. I've seen posts from others about me... been criticized, etc. Loyal friends share ...... I'm a big boy. I can take it. I'm also NOT stupid.I've stated numerous times that I wish no one harm. Why can't I want/expect the same? I have wonderful friends... some are in this venue. So, finally, if anyone has an issue with me, tell me... email me, PHONE me. You might be surprised. But insults, ridicule, "bashing", etc will not be tolerated by me... and shouldn't be by anyone else. So, behave like grownups, or if one (anyone) acts like a child... there are day cares all over the place. But, I'm finished with this. I'm not going back and forth. So, last time, if anyone has a problem with me.......... come to ME. I'm not going to run a nice Hoover cleaner, and enjoy my friends ... the people who like me, respect me, and care about me. The rest, well.......... I can't be responsible for any of them. Peace to all. | ||
| Post# 415371 , Reply# 31 10/28/2019 at 02:44 (1,641 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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Just remember - if someone causes you drama - do not engage them. There is a block list. Block them, their posts disappear from the site from your view, and you never have to see anything they post.Don't bother trying to "get back" at that person to come out on top. Life is too short to do petty back and forth arguing or to keep stewing over it for years waiting for it to boil over.
John Long has the right idea - instead of contributing to petty drama, just go tinker with your favorite vacuum or run it around the entire house with to calm down - which is kind of you know...what this whole website is about! :) (also for some people the sound of a vacuum cleaner running is actually a calming sleep therapy - so it does work) | ||
| Post# 415395 , Reply# 32 10/28/2019 at 21:46 (1,640 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
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gottahaveahoove - I find it very interesting how you thought I was talking to/about you... I wasn't, actually. I don't know you, or what you've said in the past. But right here, it kind of looked like you were on the receiving end of the thinly (and not-so-thinly) veiled attacks in this thread. If anything, I was trying to stick up for you.
But now... I wonder. Then again, who am I to take sides in some old petty drama that didn't involve me? | ||
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Post# 415399 , Reply# 33 10/28/2019 at 22:36 (1,640 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Well, I DO appreciate that | ||
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