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Kirby Utility Model H
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Post# 413820   9/15/2019 at 09:08 (1,683 days old) by DaveVac (Westlake, Ohio)        

Every once in a while you find something cool..
I collect mainly Cleveland vacuums that are pre WW11 manufacture...
Apex, Vital, Kirby, Electro-Hygiene, Royal, etc.
I just acquired this (I believe) rare Kirby. From what I've read it's not well
known and there seems to be very little as far as documentation.
I'm wondering if Kirby gave those out to distributors as models and they were
never really sold to the public ?
I most likely will not polish it like I have others...I'd like to keep the
patina..maybe ?

Any info. anyone has would be appreciated.
Here are a few pics...
dave


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Post# 413821 , Reply# 1   9/15/2019 at 09:25 (1,683 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Hi

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It's documented. The reason you don't see many it was a prototype. The bag looks brand new. I'd dare say it was reproduced. It is a really sweet bag. I wonder if baldo made the bag. I know he likes making bags for older machines.
The value of this you will be told is how much someone will pay.
Rare piece.
Les


Post# 413823 , Reply# 2   9/15/2019 at 10:51 (1,683 days old) by Kirbyg6 (York)        

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That’s really cool

Post# 413845 , Reply# 3   9/15/2019 at 18:50 (1,683 days old) by DaveVac (Westlake, Ohio)        
The bag

I know the bag is reproduced because my wife made it...
there was no bag when I bought it......owner said he has no idea what happened
to it

dave


Post# 413884 , Reply# 4   9/16/2019 at 02:08 (1,682 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Hey

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You can just see the print on it. If your wife made it kudos. Mike makes best repo bags and yours looks just as nice.
There are not slot of these vacuums. I'd I've one but I doubt I ever get one.
Les


Post# 413891 , Reply# 5   9/16/2019 at 09:29 (1,682 days old) by Dysonman1 (the county)        

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Those machines were very much sold to the public. The nozzle moves up or down, depending if you want a blowing action or a suction action. Moth crystals are put in the little canister, The nozzle is placed on blowing, and the machine is put down on an article of clothing or furniture that you want to demoth. Of course, it is also a hand vacuum cleaner. They were first introduced to the market when the company was making the Scott and Fetzer sanitation system. When the “Kirby“ was brought out, the hand vac changed names, but continued to be produced until World War II.

Post# 413911 , Reply# 6   9/16/2019 at 17:26 (1,682 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
I wonder why

they stopped producing these or similar. It would be a lot easier using that as opposed to converting the upright to a "portable". The whole concept of "portable" was fairly new I believe back then anyway. Somebody here has one, they posted a picture over a year ago and it's absolutely beautiful.

Post# 413937 , Reply# 7   9/17/2019 at 08:01 (1,681 days old) by DaveVac (Westlake, Ohio)        
documentation

If anyone has any documentation on this model...and especially if it was sold to the public, I'd like to see it.
The only "thing" I could find was an old post by a guy stating that he had a copy of the patent for it.
I know a guy (around 86 years of age) that sold Kirby's while attending college and, upon graduation, opened a number of Kirby distributorships and later worked in the executive offices of Scott and Fetzer. I emailed him to see if he had any knowledge of this model....this is his response:

Hi Dave,

Nice to hear from you.

Very interesting Kirby model, but I'm afraid I have no knowledge of it. It's actually a bit of a surprise to me - and I thought I had seen all the models, going back to the non-electric Vacuete.




Post# 413955 , Reply# 8   9/17/2019 at 19:16 (1,680 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Dysonman

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If anyone's word carries creedence it would be Tom's. His running and owning vacuum cleaner museum and being a published on vacuum cleaner history is unparalleled. I'd like proof but questioning his word even as brass and arragont as I am isn't advised.
Can you post a pic of the bag. That I'd like to see. I'm not being rude just blunt. No harm no foul.
Les


Post# 413979 , Reply# 9   9/18/2019 at 09:41 (1,680 days old) by DaveVac (Westlake, Ohio)        
Dysonman1

So sorry...I'm not questioning anyone...I don't know anyone on this site and am only looking for any pictures, ads, advice, etc. on my machines. I admire old vacuums but have little knowledge of them..I'm in the early learning phase.
My posts may come across the wrong way.

I could post a picture of the bag but have no idea if it's any where near correct.
My wife made it to fit and placed an older Kirby logo on it. I don't think
the original had that same logo on it.

dave


Post# 414009 , Reply# 10   9/18/2019 at 23:52 (1,679 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Hey

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I have a 505 bag. The 3c 4c and 505 used the same bag. I believe the 505 bag instead of multiple colors it's was all white or grey colored. It also had a line across the top similar to line through the center of the bag.
It's a rare bag and I may be off on description.
Les


Post# 414019 , Reply# 11   9/19/2019 at 11:07 (1,679 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
I had one of these...

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A local vacuum cleaner store gave it to me a couple of years ago. After they moved to a new location they stopped displaying old vacuums. It didn’t have a cord on it and I never tested it. I gave it to Greg Palmer who then gave it to Adam Mercer. I think it has found its forever home.

Post# 414020 , Reply# 12   9/19/2019 at 11:42 (1,679 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        
Adam's Kirby Hand Vac

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Adam's hand vac Kirby is one of two that I have seen in person. One of them was mine. Two decades ago, I traded it for a Rexair model A. Which I still have.

Mine was called the Vacuette Jr. Later models were called the Kirby Utility. The hand vac was produced before the 1935 model C Kirby, as they were selling them alongside the Vacuette Electric and the Scott & Fetzer Sanitation System.

The old VCCC newsletters had an ad for it in one of them. The ad showed the nozzle sliding up and down, for suction or blowing through the nozzle. Air was sucked up through the bottom of the crystal chamber, over the moth crystals which turned them into a gas, and out through the nozzle into a piece of overstuffed furniture.



Post# 414273 , Reply# 13   9/26/2019 at 14:17 (1,672 days old) by Adambomb (Undisclosed )        

Hello! Just thought I'd share a picture of mine.

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Post# 414283 , Reply# 14   9/26/2019 at 17:25 (1,672 days old) by DaveVac (Westlake, Ohio)        
Adambomb

Hello - if your bag is original, does it have any writing or logo on it ?
And how does it attach ?

Mine did not have the bag so my wife made one out of heavy black material.
She printed an old Kirby logo on it. I attached mine by sewing a ring into the
opening of the material that slips over the vacuum opening into the indented
part...I slipped a heavy black rubber (plumbing) ring over the outside..
I run the vacuum and the bag stays on...
dave


Post# 414302 , Reply# 15   9/27/2019 at 14:12 (1,671 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Nice find. It is the Holy grail of Kirby's. A very Rare bird indeed.

Post# 414303 , Reply# 16   9/27/2019 at 14:13 (1,671 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Can you get some pictures to share with us of the guts of the machine I E the under side, opening where the fan is ETC?

Post# 414417 , Reply# 17   9/29/2019 at 15:25 (1,669 days old) by DaveVac (Westlake, Ohio)        
more pics

I did not take the entire front off to show the 2 ports for suction or blowing out
but, here are some more pics....I do show the front in suction mode and by moving the lever, raised the entire front to blowing mode. Pics 4 and 5 show to vacuum in blowing mode.
I have no idea what the small hole is in the rear "axle". Could be for oiling
but not sure ??
Still have not polished it.


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Post# 414429 , Reply# 18   9/29/2019 at 20:10 (1,668 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Hey

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Hey it look like Adam has a black Kirby bag. The bag looks similar to one I'm showing.
Your Kirby bag is sweet. If you have any eureka or Royal f&g bags the ring that holds the bag on should fit.
Les


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Post# 416385 , Reply# 19   11/23/2019 at 07:37 (1,614 days old) by Nomad121 (Wisconsin)        
Kirby Model H

I have a Kirby Model H S/N 201873 looking for info on manufacture dates. I have talked to someone at the Company but they were unaware of this model. It is all original, even the bag and the cord and it still works, should I clean and polish it or does that hurt the value?
Is there any where that I can approximate its value? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks


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Post# 416387 , Reply# 20   11/23/2019 at 09:26 (1,614 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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If the hand vac says "Kirby Utility" on it, it was produced right alongside the Model C, 1C, 2C, etc. It did not come back after the break for World War II.

If it says Vacuette Jr., it was made alongside the Vacuette Electric and the Scott and Fetzer Sanitation System.


Post# 416390 , Reply# 21   11/23/2019 at 09:58 (1,614 days old) by Nomad121 (Wisconsin)        

It's definatly a "utility". Just talked to someone at Kirby they told me there was no such model and that they never built a handheld. Obviously they don't know their Kirby history. Is there a market for this kind of item?

Post# 416393 , Reply# 22   11/23/2019 at 11:36 (1,614 days old) by jrdavis (oklahoma)        
now thats talent

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DaveVac- thats some awesome talent your wife has. and you have awesome luck- being you just starting on vacs and already found something this awesome and rare.

Post# 416433 , Reply# 23   11/24/2019 at 16:33 (1,613 days old) by DaveVac (Westlake, Ohio)        
thanks

You don't have such luck often....so nice when it happens.
It seems that the Kirby Utility handhelds came from the Cleveland area.
The old posts I've read all talk about finding one in Cleveland.
Mine came from a vacuum repair shop in Cleveland....the owner didn't remember where
he got it but said he had never seen one before.
dave


Post# 416456 , Reply# 24   11/25/2019 at 00:28 (1,612 days old) by jrdavis (oklahoma)        
maybe

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someday i hope to find one to go with this-to make a matching set. i wanted to make a new bag for this when i restored it but cant figure out the right material with the pattern it has and i'm not too good at logo reproducing. it has the bag that came on it so its kinda faded(pic 2)

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Post# 416465 , Reply# 25   11/25/2019 at 06:35 (1,612 days old) by DaveVac (Westlake, Ohio)        
jrdavis

Nice machine !
I wouldn't make a new bag...your original is not that bad at all.
You could enhance yours by hand dying the faded part..I would test that
method on another bag before you do it on yours.
If it were me, I wouldn't do anything at all.
A new bag isn't that difficult to make if you or your wife can sew.
I see your name on the doily so I'm assuming someone can sew or is artsy
in your house. My wife bought heavy black material at a fabric shop...made a
pattern and put it together....found the Kirby logo online and printed it
on decal paper...ironed the decal on...that was it.
dave


Post# 416473 , Reply# 26   11/25/2019 at 10:56 (1,612 days old) by jrdavis (oklahoma)        
thats what i did

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i made a bag for another one i had and used iron on transfer i had printed out. i used duck canvas one time but i think i also made one of black denim. i didnt get the logo iron on very well. it was several years ago and for some reason the bobbin on my old sewing machine keeps getting tangled up.

Post# 463793 , Reply# 27   6/11/2023 at 21:36 (317 days old) by odavid123 (Los Angeles ca )        
Kirby Utility Model H 1934

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Yes I agree it was sold 1934 /1940 alongside C and R model Kirby’s . ( retail and door to door )
I have it in a box but no manual , I want to find the damn manual lol
I’m cleaning it up so I will post more detailed pictures in a week or so .
Does anybody here have the instruction manual to share ?


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Post# 463794 , Reply# 28   6/11/2023 at 22:45 (317 days old) by Hoover300 (Kentucky)        

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Where do you find these things??

Side note, not my pic, but did you know you could get a handle for these?


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Post# 463795 , Reply# 29   6/11/2023 at 23:06 (317 days old) by odavid123 (Los Angeles ca )        

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I’m going to look at my unit to see if that is really possible , cool very cool ! Thank you for including an image.

I’ve been collecting Kirbys off and on for 20 years I have a ton more to unpack from my garage and show here I just never had the time .


Post# 463801 , Reply# 30   6/12/2023 at 07:43 (317 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.)        
very nice

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What a wonderful find! The Kirby utility is one of my dream machines that I hope to find and ad to my collection someday. Congratulations!!

Jim


Post# 463807 , Reply# 31   6/12/2023 at 12:16 (317 days old) by odavid123 (Los Angeles ca )        

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Thank you Jim ! What early pre war kirbys do you own ?


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