Thread Number: 38961
/ Tag: Recent Vacuum Cleaners from past 20 years
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Post# 413581 , Reply# 1   9/8/2019 at 17:58 (1,689 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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If you're talking Activa/Diamante then Riccar/Simplicity type A/Panasonic U style bags fit.
If you're talking the L4/PH4 bags then there are Hepa ones made for those they're M3 bags. The problem is getting them in the states. I've spoken to AL (us distributor for lindhaus) who told me he has them but dealers don't order them. If you want to get them ask a dealer to order you a pack, or the other option is to have them ship them from overseas. |
Post# 413600 , Reply# 2   9/8/2019 at 22:36 (1,689 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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I imagine the bags I use in my rsl4 are the same as the r10s. I bought riccar HEPA bags from a dealer. These are the best vacuum bags at filtering and quality I have seen.
I don't have a sebo. I have heard they are awesome. The riccar HEPA bags are great. I don't know if this helps but I have alot and I mean alot of vacuum bags and saying riccar bag is the best is saying something. Les |
Post# 413652 , Reply# 4   9/10/2019 at 09:59 (1,687 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa)   |   | |
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I picked up a used Riccar Charisma this weekend. The Hepa bag was packed fairly full and I didn't see a speck of dust in the bag compartment. I was impressed!
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Post# 413723 , Reply# 5   9/12/2019 at 13:26 (1,685 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)   |   | |
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The best HEPA Cloth bags I have found, in terms of their filtration & maintaining airflow, are the Miele Airclean/Hyclean bags, Hoover Type S bags (for canisters) & Kirby's line of HEPA Cloth bags.
Derek - The experience you have had with the Sebo Felix & the Miele U1 uprights reflect my own pesonal experience with how upright vacuums maintain their airflow. There are 2 factors that influence this: The quality of the HEPA Cloth bag, & the bag chamber design & how it allows free airflow from the bag chamber to the motor, & how the design minimizes the bag coming into contact with the pre-motor filter. What I have experienced with the vast majority of clean air uprights is when the bag gets about 1/4 to 1/3 full, there is enough dirt inside the bag sitting on top of the pre-motor filter that it smothers the motor & doesn't allow air to flow free to the motor. The only uprights that I have noticed that seem to solve the problem are the Sebo Automatic X series uprights, & the Panasonic OptiFlow / Kenmore Intuition/Elite models with the PowerFlow bag chamber designs. These are the only ones that can keep the bag away from the pre-motor filter & allow air to flow freely from the bag to the motor. The only problem with these vacuums? The bag is still a inferior 3 ply HEPA Cloth bag that the pores of the bag clog easily with fine dust. This is the reason why Miele canisters excel at maintaining airflow: The 9 layer Airclean/Hyclean bags DO NOT clog with fine dust, & you start to notice a loss of suction when the bag is 3/4 full. In addition, since it's a canister, the bag lays on it's side in the bag chamber where it's less likely to come into contact with the pre-motor filter. Back in 2016, I had actually looked into buying a Sebo Felix, as I needed a upright that could convert to a hard floor cleaner with a floor brush. The moment I saw the quality of the HEPA Cloth bag & the bag chamber design, I immediately decided I wouldn't be satisfied with it's performance. I wound up buying a store display Shark Rotator NV552 instead, & although the filters get dirty quickly, have been much happier with it since you can clean them anytime you want to renew performance. As for dealing with your Sebo Felix & Miele U1 & improving their performance, I have some suggestions for you. When using generic HEPA Cloth bags, when they start to clog with fine dust what I have found works to restore the cleaner's performance is to take the bag out, take it outside, give it a vigorous shake, & reinstall into the vacuum. Shaking the bag loosens a lot of the dust from the bag walls, unclogging the pores of the bag & allowing air to flow freely to the motor. If that doesn't work to your satisfaction, I would look up Vacuumtests videos on YouTube made by our own Mike811. He did a video where he used a Sebo bag collar & a tube to convert his Sebo Felix to take Miele GN bags, so perhaps that would solve the issue with the Sebo. As for dealing with the Miele U1, what I would suggest is to find some way to roll up the bag a bit & reduce the size of the bag so it is above the pre-motor filter. I have used binder clips to reduce the size of the bag on a Kenmore canister that has the issue of the HEPA Cloth bag coming into contact with the motor, but due to the size & bulk of the Miele U bags, that may not work & you may have to get creative there. It's obviously the bag chamber design at fault with that cleaner, not the bag, so reducing the size of the bag should solve the problem. A Miele GN bag should fit....the collar is the same on all Miele bags, just different color....but it would be a much smaller bag in comparison. Now, as for Devin's suggestion about using Riccar Type A HEPA Cloth bags / Panasonic U HEPA Cloth bags in your Lindhaus if it's a Activa or Diamante model, yes that would work. But, they are only 3 ply HEPA Cloth material, & the bag would come into contact with the pre-motor filter. A Miele GN bag should fit & work as well as those bags, & would have the advantage of being smaller so the bag doesn't contact the pre-motor filter, plus the 9 layer Airclean HEPA Cloth material that doesn't clog. Anyone reading this, also note the Miele GN bag can be used in any upright calling for the Riccar Type A / Panasonic U bag as well. You might also be interested to know that there is a Panasonic U Kevlar Cloth shakeout bag available as well. If the vacuum has a good filtration system, & you don't mind emptying the bag & washing it regularly, this would work as well. In addition to cleaning the bag when you start to notice the cleaner's airflow is reduced, you would be saving on bag costs. If I could make some suggestions for the next cleaner to buy for cleaning the car dealership? In a situation where you're picking up fine sand & dusty type dirt, dual cyclonic or multi cyclonic bagless vacuums really would be ideal since they maintain their airflow as the bin fills up. You would just have to maintain the pre-motor filter on top of the cyclones regularly. If you're ok with dumping dirt & dealing with bagless vacuums, this would work. I wouldn't worry about reliability - remember you're spending a fraction of the cost a commercial vacuum costs, so you can afford to dispose of the cheap vacuum more easily if you can get at least a year's use out of it. Also, a Royal Metal upright would also be ideal & work well. Direct air uprights with the bell shaped powerhead housing, like Kirby & Royal, maintain their airflow very well & can really pack the HEPA Cloth bags. You will have to modify the bag fill tube on the Royal to take Kirby Sentria HEPA Cloth bags, though, by increasing the diameter of the tube with clear packer's tape. There was at one time a Royal Type B HEPA Cloth bag available, but it is VERY hard to find & may be discontinued. Perfect Products makes a Sanitaire upright clone that uses the same bag collar & size, & they make their own brand for the vacuum, but they would be just as pricy as the Royal bag, & inferior in quality to either the Royal or Kirby HEPA Cloth bags. Converting the Royal to take the Kirby Sentria bags makes much more sense, as they can be bought in generic form on Amazon & Ebay for cheap, & the generics are VERY CLOSE in quality to the genuine Kirby Sentria bags. Best of luck to you finding a cleaner & bags that will work for your situation cleaning this car dealership. You certainly have quite the challenge on your hands. Rob |
Post# 413803 , Reply# 8   9/14/2019 at 21:10 (1,683 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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I plan on getting a sanitaire dirt cup soon.
I have noticed the reviews on them went down the hole. They are 4-5 amp shakeout bags plastic parts just crappy vacuums. If you get the sanitaire blue line I have a s667a 840 watt vacuum with upgraded ST type bags is top of the line. It could and would hold up. The machines are horses. I worked at a live in treatment center. It gets more abuse on floors than food industry because the act up food goes every where. If you see someone at McDonald's doing that you Chuck a cheeseburger at him tell them to STFU. That only happens on you tube. The care center used eureka widepath with shakeout. I asked if they had a vacuum break down I could take off there hands. They said they don't die. Replace belt brush inserts and empty the bag and repeat. I only seen proteam vacuum broke all 14 eurekas in use being treated like crap. Les |