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Post# 44005   6/16/2008 at 21:34 (5,785 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Pursuing close-to-home means to get my boat's engine lift hydraulic pump fixed I was in Woodstock today and stopped by the Sally Ann.

It's embarrassing how little these cost.

Flawless Fairfax with Fax-A-Matic power nozzle. I have an earlier chrome model with no power outlet.

Slightly paintchipped maroon & speckled gray Tristar & matching power nozzle - with the sexy Compact shape before Tristar redesigned it in tghe 1990s. There's no model number (how about C-10?) so I'm assuming it is right around 1986 to 1998 because of the wider bumper band? The paper bag was full to the top with dirt, sawdust and plaster dust that has hardened into a solid mass. Had to chip at it carefully to get the bolus out but all is well. Cloth bag still good and unstained, suction fantastic as Compacts are. Found the red Electrolux floor brush inside the bag compartment, under the bag.

I remember Doug Smith & I saw this colour model in a Regina Vacuum Shop, in for repairs. It was pretty bashed up with an industrial cord and missing wheels - they said it was used regularly on a Canada Forces Cargo Transport, I think. Doug?


Post# 44007 , Reply# 1   6/16/2008 at 21:42 (5,785 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Additonal treasures from the same Sally Ann

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Oh lucky day!

Flawless unscratched or dented two shelf - with shelf paper - chrome breadbox & canister set.

plastic base Sunbeam Mixmaster 5 speed/burst-of-power with beater storage on the handle. Groovey space shape. No bowls - no problem. :-)

Incredible PHILCO dual power portable tube AM radio. Has a roll top type cover for the dials and display. All wood and leatherette. Astounding condition. Also has a plug inside for a portable record player.


Post# 44008 , Reply# 2   6/16/2008 at 21:43 (5,785 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Radio closed in all it's smooth splendor.

Post# 44010 , Reply# 3   6/16/2008 at 22:00 (5,785 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Purists, avert your gaze...

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Bear in mind that ALL of this, from vacuums to this hideously executed pseudo FLW/Arts&Crafts 4-bulb monstrosity of a table lamp, came to a grand total of just under $50!!!

Now then, I see tasteful possibilities for this lamp base. It is actually pieced together soldered foil wrapped glass, btw. Must have been a pricey item when new.

So, I will remove the ridiculous double shades and the schmancy shade supports and replace them with short square tube. 'Design' an 'appropriated from the FLW design book' new long rectangular shade (made up by a good friend here who can de-construct the octagonal shades reusing the rectangular banding strips as a border under green glass panels) that fits low to the top of the base frame. It'll always be an obvious fake but it will look 'Wright' LOL


Post# 44036 , Reply# 4   6/17/2008 at 01:33 (5,785 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)        

Still got that horseshow up you butt,
Isee

Lucky you

A Fairfax & a Compact

OOOOh, you just had too

LOL

As for stained glass lamps shades & things
I grew up with early 1900 century period pieces
My parents collected antiques
Gargoyles & leaded glass were the norm

Those are nice lamps even if reproductions
Very deco


Post# 44043 , Reply# 5   6/17/2008 at 06:39 (5,784 days old) by countryguy (Astorville, ON, Canada)        

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My mom had that same breadbox and cannister set!

Post# 44044 , Reply# 6   6/17/2008 at 06:54 (5,784 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        

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The vacuums, radio, kitchen items are sensational. That Wright inspired lamp will be a treat when you remove those unfortunate "Tiffany" shades and the little Colonial fittings. I can't wait to see how you improve it.

Post# 44052 , Reply# 7   6/17/2008 at 10:15 (5,784 days old) by petek (Ontario)        

Golden Horseshoes with that radio!!!!!!
I've got to get over to Woodstock.. just drove by the other day but couldn't stop with mom and sis in the car, her having spent the week in T.O. hospital.. they wouldn't understand LOL


Post# 44053 , Reply# 8   6/17/2008 at 10:32 (5,784 days old) by logan ()        
Very nice!

Those red Tristars are hard to find. Congratulations. I always thought that was a very "fitting" color for a Tristar. It makes it look very classy.

Post# 44072 , Reply# 9   6/17/2008 at 14:30 (5,784 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Dave:

That TriStar falls into a "grey" area so far as the model designation is concerned. From 1946-1981, Interstate called their vac the Compact, and used a "C" designation in front of a number- C-1, C-2, and so on.

In 1982, they changed the name of the machine to TriStar, changed the colour to red, and did not give it a model designation. That is the machine you have. It should be a two-speed machine, controllable by means of a switch mounted on the side of the canister, close to the afterfilter.

The version you have was made from 1982-1985. In '86, the colours were changed to silver and black, the two-speed feature was dropped, and a "50th Anniversary" decal added. The decal was something of a scam; it referred to the 50th anniversary of Interstate Engineering, not their vacuum cleaners (the first Compact, which you can see on Charles Lester's site, dates from 1940, which would have put the 50th anniversary at 1990).

Now things get tricky. According to the TriStar site, the 50th Anniversary machine has no model designation, like your machine. But every 50th Anniversary machine I've ever seen, including my own, says "CXL" on its emblem, a designation that TriStar's website says did not happen until 1990. The 50th Anniversary machine is silver and black, and the CXL pictured on TriStar's website is silver with dark silver. Then the TriStar site jumps right to the EX-20, which was all silver, but I have seen machines with a "DXL" designation on their nameplates.

So, your machine has no model number; it's strictly a "TriStar". You will absolutely love the machine; suction is very strong, and if you have to go inside it for service, you will find what you should find inside a vacuum cleaner- a motor, a fan, a switch, and some wiring, period. No hinky electronics, no weird-science suction controls, just the pieces you need to get the job of vacuuming done.

P.S.- Congratulations on those Lincoln Beautyware canisters and breadbox. If you are going to offer those for sale, please feel free to email me off-list. I've been looking for some for a while.


Post# 44090 , Reply# 10   6/17/2008 at 16:52 (5,784 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Hloy cow, isn't that the first Fairfax to have pwr head?

Post# 44101 , Reply# 11   6/17/2008 at 19:32 (5,784 days old) by vacuumkid3 ()        

What a RADIO! Man, you are lucky! The Fairfax and Tristar look excellent as well! Good for you! (You always seem to get some great finds going thrifting!)

~~K~~


Post# 44126 , Reply# 12   6/17/2008 at 23:11 (5,784 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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pPhillip, you might be right as this Fairfax is all chrome with no vent holes at all in the solid Powerdome, excepting the exhaust port. My other Fairfax has a concentric ring type heat vent slotting in the very top of the dome only and no power socket. I have a manual for the Fairfax with the white tub and scalloped vents around the dome, that shows the power nozzle.

Pete, Logan and Sandy...the very first vacuum I ever paid for - $5 - way back in the 1970s was/is a bashed & trashed mustard yellow flower power Compact (C8?) in very sad condition. I dragged that sorry looking vacuum around everywhere from first rooming house to apartments to lofts to this house as I moved onward and upward as the daily driver, even as other vacuums joined the parade. Back in 1987 I sandblasted and painted that pig Hammer tone gray and it continued as the daily driver, kept at the ready under the ironing board. Man, those Compacts can suck and have been a favorite rugged vacuuming beast!
So yeah, I have a few now all gathered together up in the Pig Pen Palace in the attic with cousins Vortech Force and Halley's Comet. The two turquoise ones are different shades, btw. I agree the red Tristar is a classy colour combo and its the only other one besides the C-8 that takes a flower nozzle.

Kyle, it ain't always just dumb luck - it's getting down on yer hands & knees under dark filthy tables and following that hose. :-)

DSandy, thank you so much for the overview. It is marked CXL and has 3 star shapes printed on the side - the nameplate is infortunately missing, as is usual. I cannot find a two speed switch, tho. On the vacuum's bottom a long metal plate screws on to a channel carrying the power cords to the socket, I expect.

"if you have to go inside it for service, you will find what you should find inside a vacuum cleaner- a motor, a fan, a switch, and some wiring, period. No hinky electronics, no weird-science suction controls, just the pieces you need to get the job of vacuuming done." Quite right, Sandy, and as you know I strip down every vacuum that comes in to this house, give it a good going over and a carwash before it proudly joins VacuumVille's happy citizenry.


Post# 44128 , Reply# 13   6/17/2008 at 23:32 (5,784 days old) by vacuumkid3 ()        

Dave,

I know what you mean about following that hose! I do it every time! I guess most people in my neighborhood have disposed of their antiquated vacuums and gotten brand new T.O.L. ones instead.

That radio is an excellent find! Does it by chance work? Do you plan on restoring it if it doesn't work? If you ever dream of parting with it, please let me know via email. I would love to get some more experience with radios...although I suppose I need to focus my energy and time into my Zenith TransOceanic!

Thanks for sharing!

~~K~~


Post# 44130 , Reply# 14   6/17/2008 at 23:50 (5,784 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Yes Yes yes! All it needs is a hardwax job and an interior d

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and vacuuming, of course.

Kyle, I took it into work tonight, checked it over, plugged it in, turned it on and after a 60 second wait the tubes warmed up and it trumpoeted forth! Tuned it to our local Cracker AM station and wow...that's how AM radio is supposed to sound. Full rich warm mono filled the room. You can't turn the volume past halfway 'cause it's too loud for the indoors at that point. LOL but I did and it doesn't distort...it's simply too loud. So this is the perfect beach party/camp ground shindig radio.

It's a Davy Keeper. It'll be fun researching what year it came out and what battery voltage is required...when you route the power cordt hrough the lid slot and close it, it trips a catch that switches the radio from battery to AC.


Post# 44137 , Reply# 15   6/18/2008 at 01:04 (5,784 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)        

Beautiful compacts
I have a C4
still have to get the bags & filter for it

I got to get my priorities straight

LOL

I just sepnt more money on more filter queen
when I need bags for the others
but truth be I have least 3 dozen FQ cones
So I should be using those filter queens til the cows fly home

LOL

Hey we had one of them tall old radios
you know the wood consoles
about 4 foot high

those were the days my friends

enjoy




Post# 44148 , Reply# 16   6/18/2008 at 08:15 (5,783 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Dave:

"DSandy, thank you so much for the overview. It is marked CXL and has 3 star shapes printed on the side - the nameplate is infortunately missing, as is usual. I cannot find a two speed switch, tho. On the vacuum's bottom a long metal plate screws on to a channel carrying the power cords to the socket, I expect."

Dave:

That's the second red CXL that I've heard of in two days- someone else wrote me only yesterday regarding theirs. So, it seems that we have a variation that's unaccounted for in the official TriStar history.

You might like to know that TriStar Canada can sell you a new nameplate for your machine. It's now different to the original- the original diecast plastic one had little pegs on its back that fit through mounting holes in the canister body. There were little pushnuts that pushed onto the pegs, inside the machine. The new nameplate is soft vinyl, and is self-adhesive. It's a good idea to do something about the nameplate, because its mounting holes create suction loss if left unfilled. The part number for the nameplate is 70048; you can order one through TriStar Canada at www.tristarvacuumscanada.com... .

You're quite right that the metal cover on the machine's bottom is concealing the channel for the power nozzle outlet wiring. It's amazing, but while the power nozzle machines look very like the earlier ones, the parts of the body are actually completely changed, and not interchangeable with those on earlier models.

That's a very nice range of Compacts and TriStars you have there! You have a bit of a fortune in floor tools alone- current list price for those things is nearly $125 USD. Yes, each.


Post# 44149 , Reply# 17   6/18/2008 at 08:25 (5,783 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Dave: Forgot to Mention:

By going to the TriStar Canada website, you can access PDF parts schematics that you can download and print for future reference. There is also a wiring diagramme on one of the parts schematics- very handy.

I've put a printed copy in the back of my CXL manual.


Post# 44163 , Reply# 18   6/18/2008 at 12:51 (5,783 days old) by vacuumkid3 ()        

That's great, Dave! That radio will bring you years of good service! It is very stylish and definitely is a keeper, especially since it works!

Be sure to take some pictures of your cleaned up finds! :-)

~~K~~


Post# 44204 , Reply# 19   6/18/2008 at 20:29 (5,783 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Bottom info

Post# 44206 , Reply# 20   6/18/2008 at 20:33 (5,783 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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3/4 view. started Magic Erasing and stopped as the red began coming off!!! Not gonna risk losing those triple stars. Neat little nylon cord clip above the pn socket.

Still no two speed switch. I thought maybe this was assembled in Canada but there's no indication of that.


Post# 44209 , Reply# 21   6/18/2008 at 20:55 (5,783 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Crashing the Receiving Line...

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...Miss CXL dares to show up in a red dress, no matter how shabby or long-in-the-tooth, at the Compact Cotillion...fracturing the composure of the Pastel Debutants and their disapproving steely-eyed Governess on the right who just sighs and looks away. Your feckless Composeur similarly fractures the pan shot.

Post# 44211 , Reply# 22   6/18/2008 at 22:18 (5,783 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
"I'm thinking...

...of a vacuum named Jezebel, who did wrong in the sight of the Lord..."

Bette Davis fans will get that one.


Post# 44213 , Reply# 23   6/18/2008 at 22:32 (5,783 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)        
wow your ready for easter

they look like easter eggs

You got a C4?

I haven't gotten to use mine yet
Darn when I do I;ll probably be spoiled again

looks like one next to Ms Jez

the canada site shows a 82 to 85 red tristar


Post# 44219 , Reply# 24   6/18/2008 at 23:01 (5,783 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Christine:

"the canada site shows a 82 to 85 red tristar"

Dave's is different from that one shown on the Canadian TriStar site. Dave's has a two-tone red-and-white bumper, and his also has the cord-winding bracket on the bag door lid. The photo on the TriStar Canada site is the same photo shown on the American TriStar site, but it's available in a larger size on the American site. The larger version shows clearly what's a little hard to see in the smaller one- the white two-speed switch.

So, Dave's has three major differences.


Post# 44251 , Reply# 25   6/19/2008 at 07:34 (5,782 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
The bumper surround is a two piece affair.

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The red vinyl bumper stripe is like a big rubber band that seats in a groove in the white bumper. I imagine quite a few of those got lost after a few hard scrapes with an immovable object...

Compacts & TriStars, like Filter Queens, are renowned for their extraordinary suction - this one pulls a hefty 81" water lift - with the 3 side emblem holes open. :-). I'll be ordering from TriStar Canada, if not taking a run over to Woodbridge Ontario one of these days.

"You have a bit of a fortune in floor tools alone - current list price for those things is nearly $125 USD. Yes, each." !!! I had no idea! As I hinted, I paid Woodstock Sally Ann an embarrassing $5 for this CXL.

The dance line here is CXL, C6, C7, C6, and a repainted C8. I missed out on a three wheel C4 - it has one central front ball caster instead of two at the sides.


Post# 44273 , Reply# 26   6/19/2008 at 11:35 (5,782 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)        
c4

noticed the wheel diff
guess those are the eggs that turn over on there side on hard boiled turns

the c4has no wheels in front
there are 2 sort of rounded bumper protrusions
but they don't roll like wheels they are fixed

other thing is the rear has 2 thin narrow wheels not those glorious globe wheels which came later & add more stability

The c4 is no race vac

LOL


Post# 44287 , Reply# 27   6/19/2008 at 13:24 (5,782 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Dave: C4

I hope you'll snag a C4 one of these days; the three-wheelers are rare for some reason.

You wouldn't happen to have a late TriStar rug tool you'd be willing to part with, would you? The late ones have the little "blister" and hole on the neck that accommodates the wand's lock button. I'm talking about the rug tool, with the concentrator on top, not the floor tool.

Just FYI, the new TriStar emblem is universal in fit, since it's a piece of self-adhesive soft vinyl; you can use it on any of your Compacts or TriStars, regardless of the spacing or pattern of holes.


Post# 44312 , Reply# 28   6/19/2008 at 19:10 (5,782 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Interstate Compact & Tristar aluminum floor tools.

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Sandy, these are the two versions of Interstate floor tools I have, other than the complete set in green styro for the apple green Compact.

The older set has Interstate and a friction fit that I've assigned to the 'good' Turquoise Compact with the woven hose, while the later set has Cyclonic and the hole & blister and I have them paired with the 2nd beater Turquoise and the Cyclonic Turbinette nozzle...for display purposes. I know this is incorrect and I should put the Turbinette with the Green Compact set and consider the floor tools expendable. Is Cyclonic the only version with the button hole? Have you seen the later set with Interstate on it...in the States? Is the new tool on the website labeld Tristar? So many questions...

In our quest for authenticity I'd like to provide you with the correct nozzle - which machine do you have in mind?

My dilemma is that I didn't consider the late set as extras...until today. But since the CXL and C-8 use power nozzles and I have a complete later blistered set give me a couple weeks to hunt down Cyclonic spares. I have a 'twingle' they are out there. Perhaps Pete will spot some on his thrifting runs...

In the end we will see to it you get one.

With your knowledge can you comment on the wands I have the tools leaning against? They came as a pair with the beater Turquoise. The end wand has a friction taper, the hose end is friction also but they mate perfectly to each other with a dimpled slot and that securing thumbscrew. Interstate or some other vacuum make?

Dave



Post# 44313 , Reply# 29   6/19/2008 at 19:18 (5,782 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
What's Dave working on tonight?

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Was running the Fairfax and the Fax-A-Matic power nozzle was making a horrendous racket. Took it apart to find the motor had 'ovaled' out its rear bronze bearing. The motor is held in place with two screws through the top of the case, under the Fax-O-Matic stick-on top panel.

I knew I had in the parts bin a very similar power nozzle that has other issues like warping and cracks. Lo and behold, it's a Hoover branded Powermatic of exact same construction with an intact motor. Time for a motor swap. But the Fax-A-Matic has a three wire cord and plug.



Post# 44314 , Reply# 30   6/19/2008 at 19:23 (5,782 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Both made in Ontario. The Fax-A Matic in Welland by T.R.E Inc while the Hoover states it was made in Burlington.

Another case of crossover branding, whose power nozzle is it really?



Post# 44315 , Reply# 31   6/19/2008 at 19:33 (5,782 days old) by vintageroyal611 ()        

Coincidence? I think not!

Post# 44316 , Reply# 32   6/19/2008 at 19:34 (5,782 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Better yet tho is...both have a Hoover metal beater brush bar exactly the same other than paint color.

So, to the credit of Fairfax, with Hoover's help, the Fax-A-Matic will be brushing, beating and cleaning the carpets again tonight. :-)

Gawd, I luv these details and the thrill of learning something new.

Oh, the Hoover motor has a metal lug I can attach the green ground lead to. This Fairfax has a 3 wire system because it is also intended to be used as a wet pick-up vac with the optional manditory Water Valve you put in without a paper bag, which I don't have but appears to be a plastic cone similar to a Filter Queen. Anyone got one of those lying around available? I do have the Fairfax Wet Pick-up floor nozzle.

dave


Post# 44318 , Reply# 33   6/19/2008 at 19:41 (5,782 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Hi Dave!

The wands you have may be an earlier Interstate attempt at secured wands; I'm pretty certain that your machine is earlier than mine. My machine (a silver-and-black CXL produced between 1986 and 1989) has Kenmore-style lock buttons, with a blister at the end of each wand for the next wand's lock button to slide into. My wands also have a plastic cord retaining channel riveted to them; it runs almost the full length of each wand. The power nozzle cord friction-fits into the channel. A photo of the wands attached to the power nozzle is below.

So far as I know, TriStar only included one set of wands; you were supposed to remove the wands from the power nozzle when you wanted to use them with the rug tool or other attachments. I found an extra set of wands to use for those purposes, so that I wouldn't have to go through the nuisance of removing the power nozzle cord from the channel and then taking the wands off the power nozzle, every time I wanted the wands for something besides the power nozzle. Some vac parts sites have universal wands listed for both Kenmore and TriStar; it seems the same wand will fit both. These universal wands do not have the full-length cord channel, just a couple of cord clips like many Kenmore wands do.

The Compact C-2 I grew up with had friction-fit wands, not locking ones. They were the most solid steel and the heaviest chrome-plate you can imagine. The only problem we ever had with them was that the sandy dust here in Georgia caused them to stick together, making them very difficult to get apart for storage. The wands in your photo don't appear to be like the ones on the C-2, so maybe they're Compact/TriStar and maybe they're something else. I hope something in all this helps you.

The rug tool at the lower right of your photo is the one I'm looking for! I'd be very interested in one. Very interested indeed.


Post# 44319 , Reply# 34   6/19/2008 at 19:48 (5,782 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Dave: Earlier Compact Wands

Dave:

This picture of Robert Seger's gloriously mint C-2 shows the earlier Compact wand system very clearly. These are so heavy and well-made, I cannot begin to describe the quality. I don't know if anything came between this style and the current lock-button style, sorry.


Post# 44320 , Reply# 35   6/19/2008 at 19:58 (5,782 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Dave: Forgot to Answer:

"Is Cyclonic the only version with the button hole? Have you seen the later set with Interstate on it...in the States? Is the new tool on the website labeld Tristar?"

So far as my own experience and observation go, the later, button-hole tools all say "Cyclonic". I have never seen any button-hole tools that say "TriStar" or "Interstate". The new rug tools for sale on sites like TotalVac say "Cyclonic". I have the new tool, but it's in a painted finish that is not correct for my machine. That's why I'm hoping a classic, polished-finish "Cyclonic" button-hole tool turns up.

So far as I know, the "Interstate" designation is only on friction-fit tools, but that's based on my personal observation, so take that only as one person's opinion, not a proved fact.

Aren't these details fun?


Post# 44322 , Reply# 36   6/19/2008 at 20:06 (5,782 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
More Cyclonic Lore:

Dave:

On late machines like my CXL, the clear/glitter plastic crevice tool and upholstery tool have "Cyclonic" silk-screened onto them in very small letters. These rub off pretty easily. The dusting brush doesn't have the "Cyclonic" designation on it, but then it's soft vinyl, not the hard plastic that the other tools are made of. The dusting brush looks the same clear/glitter combo as the other tools, but since it's not the same kind of plastic, that may have kept the "Cyclonic" from being silk-screened onto it.


Post# 44330 , Reply# 37   6/19/2008 at 22:02 (5,782 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Details fun & fascinating.

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Your observations and opinions work just fine by me, Sandy. After all, you did have a shop.

Fax-A-Matic power nozzle restored to usefulness and all polished & washed clean.

Laid out the pair and their nozzles. Way groovy.

Lower Fairfax does not have a power socket and no Power Dome venting.


Post# 44331 , Reply# 38   6/19/2008 at 22:09 (5,782 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
another chorusline...

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This must be the Guy's side at the Cotillion, sizing up the Interstate gals across the room.

To the right of the Fax-A-Matic you can see the Hoover Celebrity II 'Estate' powernozzle - once again, same construction, different color combo. That's why they're hastily grouped together beside the Swiveltops. Oh, I must re-tape that Hoover hose with white tape...


Post# 44337 , Reply# 39   6/19/2008 at 22:54 (5,782 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Confusion?

"Your observations and opinions work just fine by me, Sandy. After all, you did have a shop."

Um, I'm not sure how that impression arose- I'm a magazine writer and editor, not a shop owner. I did work in the housewares biz back in the '80s, but that was in the kitchenwares end of the biz. My observations about Compact/TriStar stuff are strictly as an owner and collector.



Post# 44338 , Reply# 40   6/19/2008 at 23:05 (5,782 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Oops, I'm confusing you with someone else who's somewhere around the same age as us - apologies to that person. in Columbus OH? :-(

Well, it still works for me as that's how I deduce and confirm my opinions - observe, question, collect, compare, compare, compare.

Dave, working on unearthing a shiny Compact rug nozzle...


Post# 44340 , Reply# 41   6/19/2008 at 23:08 (5,782 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Wits returned. I was thinking of Norm Brown. Pardon my sluggish brain, Norm and Sandy.

Post# 44341 , Reply# 42   6/19/2008 at 23:29 (5,782 days old) by xraytech ()        

That is a nice tri star, really like the red. I have a turquise compact like yours it is an anniversary edition I think 25th but not sure the decal is pretty well worn off and the paint is wearing off too. Afterall it was a $5 fea market find that grandpap picked up in the late 80's for in the garage to clean the cars.Maybe Sandy can help me with what anniversary model I have and what year it is from.

Post# 44348 , Reply# 43   6/19/2008 at 23:57 (5,782 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Hahahahah

Dave:

Not to worry- after all, you confused me with somebody nice!

I really appreciate the photo of the rug tool, BTW- it's nice to have that to look at, and anticipate...


Post# 44356 , Reply# 44   6/20/2008 at 00:25 (5,782 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Sam (xraytech):



Sounds like yours could be a C-5, a C-6 or a C-7; all of these models were turquoise (not to be confused with earlier and later models that were blue). Does yours have two wheels in back, with two bumps at the front end of the bottom- the end where the hose attaches? Or is it three wheels- one in the front and two in the back? Or does it have four wheels?

With two wheels, you have a C-5, made between 1959-1960, according to the TriStar website. The three-wheeler is the C-6, made from 1961-1970. The four-wheeled C-7 was made from 1971-1972.

A "25th Anniversary" machine would likely be either a C-6 or a C-7. There are three ways that Interstate could calculate an anniversary date. One is the 1937 founding of the company as an aircraft manufacturer. Another is the 1940 date of the introduction of the first Compact, which you can see on Charles Lester's website, www.137.com.... Another is the 1946 introduction of the Compact C-1; this was the first machine that really sold in substantial numbers (the 1940 Compact didn't really get off the ground before WWII disrupted production).

Anyway, counting 25 years from 1937 would give you 1962, which is two years after the last date for the C-5 (two wheels), so you can probably discount that one completely. 1962 would be a good fit for the C-6 (three wheels). Counting 25 years from 1940 would give you 1965, which would also fit the C-6. Counting 25 years from 1946 would give you 1971, which would fit the C-7 (four wheels).

If this helps, please tell us which machine you have; it would help to know which one Interstate called the 25th Anniversary machine. The TriStar website only shows the left (emblem) side for most machines; their decals went on the right side, so there's no way to tell which was the 25th Anniversary machine from the website.


Post# 44358 , Reply# 45   6/20/2008 at 00:33 (5,782 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Just to Confuse Things...

...Here's how Interstate calculated their 50th Anniversary machine's date:

They took the 1937 founding of Interstate as their starting point, not any of the introduction dates for Compact vacuums. That gives a 1987 date (1937 + 50 years). But then they decided to begin production of the machine a year early- 1986! And they made it through 1989.

So, it's all kind of smoke and mirrors anyway.


Post# 44360 , Reply# 46   6/20/2008 at 00:41 (5,782 days old) by xraytech ()        

Sandy,
I am going to make the Compact/TriStar history more complicated.
on the bottom the model number which was hard to see said C-6.
it has 4 wheels
on the left it has a compact electra badge on it
on the right it has silkscreened on the turquise crinkle paint a gold badge (about 1/3 of it is worn off)
what is left of the badge it says on the lt. side of the badge it looks like it says "As New As tomorrow" but part of it is worn off.
on the bottom of the badge it says "Another interstate Quality Product"
in the middle of the badge there is a picture of a globe of which part is worn off
on the right of the badge is "Anniversary Model" but the number which would be right above this is worn off.
and surrounding the globe and anniversary model are little black and white retro stars.
I hope this will help to figure out when it was made after I probably made this mor confusing.


Post# 44361 , Reply# 47   6/20/2008 at 00:46 (5,782 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Sam:

You have not made this more confusing.

You have helped point out problems with the TriStar website's historical chronology, which means that we have to take more of it with a grain of salt (we already know there are problems with red machines like Dave's).

Your machine probably represents a running change, where they introduced a new feature, but didn't yet change the model number.

So, it's starting to look like we need to begin working up our own chronology. Your pointing out the problem is actually helpful.


Post# 44363 , Reply# 48   6/20/2008 at 00:59 (5,782 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)        

My C4 has 2 wheels in back
2 bumps in front

I found a site listing the models & dates once
Stupidy didn't bookmark it & ccan't seem to find it again

I thought it was part of the TriStar site

I thought the anniversary model he is speaking of was 67
I've seen a few of those


Post# 44387 , Reply# 49   6/20/2008 at 12:10 (5,781 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Christine:

The TriStar website for the United States is www.tristarclean.com... . To access the model history, click the "About Us" button on the home page, then click on "History of Products" when it appears in a drop-down menu.

The TriStar Canada website is www.tristarvacuumscanada.com... . The vac models are shown on the front page, but there isn't as much info as the U.S. site has (and the U.S. site doesn't have all that much).

If you want info, the U.S. site is better. If you want to order parts, I really recommend the TriStar Canada website over the U.S. one. TriStar Canada stocks parts for direct ordering. If you call TriStar in the U.S., they refer you over to a local authorised repair facility. My experience has been that the local facility has to order parts from corporate, and then ship them to you, which is very time-consuming. The Canadian system is way more efficient and faster. I got my parts order from them in about one week.

The Canadian site also has parts schematics in PDF format, which can be downloaded and printed for future reference. The schematics are only available for the EX-20 (same as the CXL and DXL models), and the current generation of TriStars. But they're very good, with every part and every part number shown, as well as a wiring diagramme.

Hope this helps.


Post# 44390 , Reply# 50   6/20/2008 at 13:09 (5,781 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)        
thanks!!!!

been looking for that lil devil

So c4 is 54 to 58

nice to know
so it was made 4 years

Wonder how you can narrow it down to a year

Got to get bags n filter for it & get that baby back on the rug

LOL


Post# 44393 , Reply# 51   6/20/2008 at 13:58 (5,781 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Christine:

The serial number should narrow it down, if records still exist and if TriStar will give out the information. I've never asked TriStar for "privileged" information, but some of the direct-sales vac companies will not do a whole lot for anyone except the original owner. I understand that Kirby, for instance, wants proof of purchase before they'll do anything free.

Still, it couldn't hurt to call TriStar and see if they can help. Since Interstate sold TriStar to the present owners in 2000, the old Interstate records may or may not have survived the transfer of ownership. In the course of my work, I frequently find that corporate records have been lost, destroyed, put into inaccessible storage, or made "off-limits" for some legal reason or other. So, don't expect too much, and be very thrilled indeed if they can- and will- help you.


Post# 44394 , Reply# 52   6/20/2008 at 14:38 (5,781 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)        

I don't expect they'll have that detailed info from the 50's
Don;t think I'd even try

Just was curious

Still, someone must have compounded it thru trial & error
& from accounts of owners like us
who are trying to piece the timeframe together

That stuff was all on paper wasn't it
filed away somewhere
Boxes in a warehouse somewhere caked with dust

don't expect someone to try to go look for it

LOL

Would be nice if they compiled something & stored it on computer like approx serial numbers for the years & models

Guess will happy to marrow it down at least by model number

& its pretty old

Well maybe not that old
just a lil older than me

LOL

For the record
I think this is the serial number
its inside the lid & just printed on with a plastic strip
no tag not etched & I;d say very easily lost

So just for for sake of ?

Serial # 1089338

Wheels attached with a carter pinned
Don't look incredibly strong design not like the first ones which had nut & bolt



Post# 44395 , Reply# 53   6/20/2008 at 14:41 (5,781 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)        
Sounds like alot of vacuums in say 10/15 years

The number could also be an inspection sticker #
its below the good housekeeping sticker

Then I don't see a serial number for the unit

Shouldn't they be etched in or plated on esp in those days
didn't think they'd use a thin plastic sticker


Post# 44403 , Reply# 54   6/20/2008 at 19:50 (5,781 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
More Compact dateingtconfirmations

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Pawing through the User manuals file I came up with two Compact manuals, one for the 1956 C-4 and the other for the 1964 Electra. Both manuals have copyright dates but more telling, they have sale dates inked inside.

So, first we have a Model C-4 sold on October 28, 1958 in Williamsport PA.

Second, we have a Compact Electra sold July 19, 1965.

The illustrations are large clear photographs which make it easy to identify certain features of the year. Also helps me identify which woven hose goes with which machine, by pattern.

The 1958 Compact comes with two tapered end friction fit wands with one rolled rim,, no buttons, dimples, slots or holes.

The 1965 Electra tho' has the wands I showed up above (mine's lost its knob & has been replaced with a wingnut). That is, one tapered tool end wand with a slot cut into the center of a dimple at the blunt-cut opposite end.

The hose wand has a corresponding protruding bolt with a knurled knob, that engages with the slot and you tighten the knob to lock. This hose wand has a rolled rim to accept the hose handle.

Both vacuums illustrated have the side rear angled heat vents. The C-4 manual has pages on using the MagicDisc and the Polish-Aire. It shows the C-4 with two knobs instead of ball casters yet features the gorgeous 'spinning disc speed lines' graphic, same as my beater turquoise has.

The 1964 manual shows the 'world globe' side graphic, which I believe my good turquoise has partially worn away. Yet both my turquoises are clearly stamped C-6 on the bottom. Mmmm...

I'm at work but would be more than happy to scan & post both manuals after midnight, if anyone likes.

Dave


Post# 44407 , Reply# 55   6/20/2008 at 20:21 (5,781 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)        

I have that swirly logo on the left front
Has a orange G in it

Yep thats mine 2 gray bumps in front
C4 was 54 to 58 Wands are friction as are attachments
my hose think is a replacement


c5 59/60 one year so they will be pretty much the same
so anything after 60 would be the C6 which went for wuite a few years & some of them were anniversary

The C6 on is confusing with dates with the anniversary models


Post# 44408 , Reply# 56   6/20/2008 at 20:30 (5,781 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Wow!

So your wands are really Interstate issue, Dave. Good to know, and yes, some scans would be great info if and when you get the time.

Post# 44418 , Reply# 57   6/20/2008 at 23:34 (5,781 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Now that we're talking pre-1980 Compacts, should I start a new post for the full manuals?

Here's the parts page for the 1956 Model C-4 sold on October 28, 1958. This one has the two knobs up front


Post# 44419 , Reply# 58   6/20/2008 at 23:45 (5,781 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Parts page for the 1964 Compact Electra sold July 19, 1965.

See the locknut knob on the top wand. However the manual shows the bottom wand in a reverse position. The lady is pictured with the wands assembled correctly - note the knobbed wand has a rolled top end but the lower wand does not.

Checked the beater Compact and it's a duplicate model 6 with anniversary decal but both are unreadable now. I have this hose courtesy of Doug Smith.


Post# 44420 , Reply# 59   6/20/2008 at 23:56 (5,781 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
New Thread....

....Would be my vote for the complete manuals. Easier to find, especially for anyone coming here via search engine.

How interesting to see the blower port was changed so early. The C-2 we had, which was purchased in '54 or maybe '55 (it would be just like my mom to try saving some money by buying a discontinued model), had its blower port below the bumper, not above it. You can see that arrangement in the pic of Robert Seger's C-2, earlier in this thread. I have to say that I think the C-2's arrangement is better-looking than that of later machines- it's just sleeker-looking. I wonder why they considered it necessary to change it? The C-2 location worked just fine.


Post# 44856 , Reply# 60   6/24/2008 at 23:43 (5,777 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Wonder of Wonders

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This showed up on eBay today - it's the two speed model. The handle is quite different and looks to have been done that way to protect the switch from being accidentally tripped. The same seller has also listed a Turquoise C-6

:-)


CLICK HERE TO GO TO aeoliandave's LINK on eBay


Post# 44868 , Reply# 61   6/25/2008 at 01:29 (5,777 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Yikes!

Bit rough and bojack-y, wouldn't you say?

The turquoise C-6 is a bit better, but also needs work.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO danemodsandy's LINK on eBay


Post# 44871 , Reply# 62   6/25/2008 at 02:18 (5,777 days old) by camelotshadow (Valley Village)        

Agree with Sandy

Bo ba bo ba boo jack....red
& the C6 looks like its on its last leg





Post# 44885 , Reply# 63   6/25/2008 at 08:23 (5,776 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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Yes, Christine & Sandy, they're both pretty banged up & filthy and I wasn't suggesting anyone should jump at them. Especially not at that starting price! Let's see, we got here one curved Hoover wand, generic plastic accessory nozzles with short plastic hose, and a sloppy silicone repair to a splt power cord dongle on the powerhose. The all gray power nozzle is from a later Tristar model. LOL

The handle is an interesting variation and appears genuine. and now we have a clear picture of the speed switch.

I sure like mine better - at least it still has the red rubber bumper insert and the power nozzle matches. :-)

Sure sign this CLX has been taken apart at some point - the bumper fuse seam has been carelessly placed at the rear side. Not easy to do since a bumper removed retains the oval shape of the vacuum, so this one was forced on with no thought.

Starting at $50? I think not.


Post# 44908 , Reply# 64   6/25/2008 at 11:24 (5,776 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Dave:

I agree. Both machines would be lovely to find in a yard sale or thrift, but I wouldn't like to pay even the opening eBay bid plus shipping on either one.

Post# 45272 , Reply# 65   6/30/2008 at 12:10 (5,771 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        
Copyright 1984, 1985

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Sorting through files...

Post# 45306 , Reply# 66   6/30/2008 at 22:31 (5,771 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

That photo has the dread Rug Shoe in it!

For those of you who are unfamiliar with The Work of the Devil, the Rug Shoe is the clear/glitter piece shown in Dave's photo, just below the floor tool.

It's designed to clamp to the bottom of the floor tool, converting it to a rug tool, thereby saving IEC the cost of a rug tool and making ownership of Prozac stock much more profitable than it might otherwise be. It's tricky to put on without damaging the bristles of the floor tool, and it drops off the tool at the drop of a hat. It's probably the most frustrating piece of vac hardware I've ever encountered. I own one, but it's strictly there as a display item; I would never use it.

Anyone owning a TriStar should get the dedicated rug tool and leave the Rug Shoe alone, trust me.


Post# 45693 , Reply# 67   7/4/2008 at 19:59 (5,767 days old) by briankirbyclass (Eudora Kansas)        

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Thanks Sandy,,,im glad i dont have one! lol
About the little knob on the top PN,,,what exactly does it do,,,i notice that my TriStar PN has this knob, and ive tried using it pushed to one side, and then the other, but dont see any difference in the suction or performance of the vac or PN.
I dont see any difference in how the PN grooms the carpet, or how it acts,,,what gives?


Post# 45695 , Reply# 68   7/4/2008 at 20:40 (5,767 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)        

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All the slider knob does is open a topside port allowing air to enter the brushroll area from above. Essentially, it's a suction regulator to make the PN easier to push along on a low nap carpet it otherwise leeches itself on to, Compact / Tristars being among the most powerful suctioning (80") vacuums out there. That makes sense. At least that's how it's marketed.

It also may help explain why the Filter Queen 'shoebox' PN is such a beast to push around, FQ repeatedly being the water inches Pull Champ of Domestic vacuums. 90-100".

I noticed Rainbow markets theirs as pulling in disturbed airborne dust stirred up from the agitator action, in the air above the pn. But then, their slider port venting runs the full width of the brushroll:-)

Whateverrrrrr....

Dave


Post# 45724 , Reply# 69   7/5/2008 at 13:00 (5,766 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Brian:

Dave's right about the little slider knob on the TriStar PN, and you're right - in most instances- that it doesn't make a whole lot of difference in how you set it.

It's just as Dave says - once in a while you'll be working on carpet that keeps the PN from being pushed easily. When that happens - and only then - playing with the slider knob will usually let you find a setting that allows enough decrease in suction to let the PN move over the carpet the way it should.

Most of the time, you have no real need to play with the knob.


Post# 45859 , Reply# 70   7/7/2008 at 23:24 (5,764 days old) by briankirbyclass (Eudora Kansas)        

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Thanks for clearing that up,,,ive been wondering what that little knob was for!
Still loving my TriStar!
Thanks again, Brian W.



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