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Post# 409695   5/22/2019 at 23:15 by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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If you guys are like me you've despise turbo tools over the years.
Well thanks to the EU regulations.
Wessel Werk had to design a new turbo to work on the smaller motors over there.
So now we have available a turbo that stays spun up or overly spun up 110 volt vacuum motor. This thing's are real game changer. If you wanted to Zambrano engineer
A nozzle to any vacuum cleaner this would be it !











Looks like Rodger also featured it recently on a SEBO









Post# 409718 , Reply# 1   5/23/2019 at 22:40 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Nice

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What is the cost and where can it be bought.
Les


Post# 409753 , Reply# 2   5/24/2019 at 21:18 by fairfaxclass (Tillamook, Oregon)        

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Your video, last time I checked, had links to their other (admittedly good) turbo nozzles.  Are they available yet?


Post# 409762 , Reply# 3   5/25/2019 at 08:28 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
turbo nozzles

Nice review Alex. I think I will stick with electric nozzles though, a Turbo nozzle will still rob the vacuum of suction and is much more prone to getting clogged. I think those nozzles are more common in Europe, canisters with electric power nozzles are not as common there.
Mike


Post# 409866 , Reply# 4   5/28/2019 at 01:18 by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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@fairfaxclass @Lesinutah
They are available through Steel City. It's also available with the Miele name on it as "STB 305"

@n0oxy yes I agree with you it's more prone to getting clogged. However it is easy to access the turbine and you can stick your fingers in between the brush roller and the intake. The intake hole is about twice as wide as the Miele "STB 205"
I would say if you have a powerful enough vacuum cleaning efficiency seems to be on par with some small electric powerheads. But full size electric power are still "more better"
It's a great alternative for a machine that can't be fitted with a powerhead.


Post# 409892 , Reply# 5   5/28/2019 at 22:09 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Thanks

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I found it. I swear Fuller brush company has a similar brush. I cant find it now but it's very similar.
Les


Post# 409895 , Reply# 6   5/28/2019 at 23:15 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
battery power nozzles

If a vacuum can't be fitted with an electric power nozzle, I would suggest the Volt nozzle or the one that is sold by Centec and a few other companies, they both give you about an hour of cleaning time and have all of the other benefits of an electric brush.
Mike


Post# 409945 , Reply# 7   5/30/2019 at 01:45 by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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@n0oxy
TK 286 retals for $59-99
Turbo cat $150-189
Perfect battery operated PN-5 lux nozzlev $200
Volt battery operated direct air nozzle $399-499

I'm a sucker for value. The Volt is an interesting option but costs so much more.
The Air Flow restriction / turbulence from the direct air fan on the vault really concerns me. Then there's the possibility all that throwing dirty air into the room.
I agree that it's probably the most powerful option. But not one that I believed to be cost-effective.
Also The TK286 turbo includes a swivel neck unlike the other options.


Post# 409972 , Reply# 8   5/30/2019 at 19:32 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
perfect nozzle

The perfect battery nozzle is a good choice, it's cheaper than the Volt and does not have the dirty air fan. It's really similar to the L shaped nozzles found on Electrolux cleaners. It actually has some advantages over the Volt, mainly that it doesn't use a flat belt. Both battery nozzles clean really well though, yes, a bit more expensive but worth it in my opinion, but it's good to have choices.
Mike


Post# 409989 , Reply# 9   5/31/2019 at 11:15 by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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It is good to have choices.

That perfect battery operated nozzle with the tumor. Really is a nice nozzle. I have a video comparing it to the regular AC version somewhere.




Post# 410048 , Reply# 10   6/2/2019 at 05:27 by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        
Wow that thing picked up a lot of stuff

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Wow






Post# 410758 , Reply# 11   6/22/2019 at 01:20 by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
I bought one.

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I just got this Thursday. I'm pretty impressed for it being a turbine tool.
The brushes are fairly stiff, they remind me of the brushes on wessel werk's power heads but a little more spaced out. The brushroll floats, I was concerned about this initially thinking that it wouldn't dig in to the carpeting properly but it certainly seems to.
This uses an "open" turbine which seems to not impede airflow as much as a standard one.
The opening into the turbine is also fairly wide I know the TK284 featured different gates you could install for a larger or smaller opening, typically weaker vacuums needed the smaller gates this one appears to be about the medium sized going from memory.
I've used it with my Henry and a little bit with the Patriot. It's worked well with both of them on both hard floors and carpeting. but they're also quite powerful machines. I'd be more interested in seeing how it does with a lower performance machine, I know Alex has used this with the cordless Henry and it seemed to do alright with that.

Would I recommend it? It's definitely one of the better turbine's I've used, so yes.
For those wondering where I got it, I had the shop order it through Steel City.


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Post# 410833 , Reply# 12   6/23/2019 at 17:09 by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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@Blackheart Glad you're enjoying it!
Yes you must get this your local vacuum shop with a steel City account.

Your new furry logo is mildly disturbing.


Post# 410837 , Reply# 13   6/23/2019 at 17:43 by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Furry?

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Oh this isn't a furry, it's a fictional demon from Marvel comics. That....may not be better but, Blackheart is the "son" of Mephisto one of the Hell Lords. I originally learned of this character through fighting games games like Marvel Super Hero, I was drawn to the character's super natural abilities and long reach that they provided.

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Post# 411619 , Reply# 14   7/17/2019 at 16:27 by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada)        

I bought the TK 286 and used it with the Bissell Zing II which did a great job on the carpets and the agitation was there. I didn't regret my decision on the purchase. That other turbohead I have which appears in the third picture is poorly-made crap that I would like to smash to bits with an ax.

I would still like to know if the TK 286 can clean carpets while connected to a wet & dry tank like a Shop-Vac, a Ridgid or a Mastercraft. I asked the question to the host of the Performance Reviews channel on YouTube and he expressed refusal to answer my question by stating that people don't use such canisters in homes and so it's not worth doing the test, but I'm still curious. I think a turbo nozzle's brushroll would get agitated more with more CFM the canister it's connected to has, and it's said that the TK 286 is meant to work with low-power canisters, so I would assume that such nozzle would do great on low-pile carpets when used with a Shop-Vac with more than 100 CFM. Tell me if my assumption is true.


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Post# 411621 , Reply# 15   7/17/2019 at 16:50 by Dysonman1 (Missouri Ozarks)        

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I ordered that new turbo power nozzle from Nationwide. They are the wholesale company who sell two vacuum shops. They have the Perfect Canister vacuum which looks very similar to a mighty mite but with double the suction power. I sold the canister as well as the turbo brush to a man who cleans for a living. He told me he loves the combination.

Post# 411653 , Reply# 16   7/18/2019 at 06:21 by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Raymond

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Turbine tools, which force air through a fairly narrow channel to spin their turbine, like this one, are more dependent on suction than airflow. Typically shop vacs don't have great suction. From what i've seen the typical unit has around 60" for waterlift. Now I have seen one unit in particular which was the vacmaster beast series VFB511B which had 88" thanks to vacuumwars for the testing.

I've found the tool to be effective with Henry which manages about 80" I suppose I could try it with my Oreck buster B, or perhaps even a kirby just to see how that goes. I don't believe I have any machines that will get around the same suction as a shop vac though, the majority of them exceed it.


Post# 411676 , Reply# 17   7/18/2019 at 19:00 by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada)        

So Blackheart, are you saying that the Shop-vac's, compared to many of the household canisters including the Kenmore's and the low-budget Bissell's and Eureka's from Walmart, can generally agitate a turbo brush's brushroll more poorly and that the CFM rating is irrelevant?

Post# 411719 , Reply# 18   7/19/2019 at 07:19 by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Well...

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I wouldn't say the airflow is irrelevant. How do I put this. When you force air through a small opening your pressure(suction) is important because it makes it possible to force more air through this opening. retaining more of the airflow.

I've been thinking a good way to show this may be to use a crevice tool and measure airflow at the end of it. A high airflow low pressure vacuum like Kirby should in theory have a greater percentage of airflow lost due to the restricted opening compared to other units which have higher pressure but lower airflow.

Your suction should also effect the torque of a turbine head too.

Now as for the average vacuum vs a shop vac. I'd say if we're talking about one of their more common machines the average household vacuum may spin it better, I've compiled some data from shop vac's website. I did only use shop vac's data due to being uncertain as to whether you're talking about general wet/dry vacs or shop vac branded ones specifically. The highest suction figure I saw on the random models I checked was 75" which is pretty average for modern vacuums. We also need to keep in mind that the turbine head is a 1.25" tool so you'd either be using a 1.25 or reducing the hose to 1.25 either way you'll lose a lot of flow.

With such a variance in their models it's hard to really say which is better but if we compare specific models like the EA16-SQ650 150 CFM and 75" to a Kenmore 116.28614801 which had 92" of suction and 90.93 CFM at the hose. I think the Kenmore may do better. Granted this is just speculation but knowing that the hose will have to be reduced the 150 CFM spec won't hold true cause we're going from a 2" inch hose with an area of 12.56inē to a 1.25 opening with an area of 4.91inē


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Post# 411732 , Reply# 19   7/19/2019 at 14:34 by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada)        

I'm talking about Shop-Vac's in general and I guess the best way to see if the brushroll of the TK 286 would spin when used with a certain model of a wet & dry canister is to just connect the brush to the machine's hose (using an appropriate adaptor if necessary) and see if the brushroll spins and how fast it spins and also use a gadget to measure the cleaner's suction and airflow. Of course, different models of Shop-Vacs have different amount of suction and airflow so no two are created equal.




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