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Thread Number: 38215
/ Tag: 80s/90s Vacuum Cleaners
Can't figure Royal Metal uprights out |
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| Post# 406855 , Reply# 1 3/18/2019 at 11:27 (1,862 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
Will unlike Kirby,royal has been bought and sold a few times or something like that. Somebody else can clarify when the Chinese company TTI purchased Royal.
But basically TTI is washing their hands of the metal uprights. Due to manufacturing costs and lack of demand. As you could imagine in 2019 there's not really a market for them past collectors. Generally speaking of ESSCO doesn't have it it's not available. It must be purchased second-hand or New old stock somewhere. Hope that helps. CLICK HERE TO GO TO vacuumdevil's LINK | ||
| Post# 406879 , Reply# 3 3/18/2019 at 15:58 (1,862 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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| Post# 406899 , Reply# 4 3/18/2019 at 23:08 (1,862 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
"Cant understand why people selling perfectly good Made in USA vacs for pennies on the dollar. Both were like new."
Because a fool and his money are soon parted. "I mean if I need new carbon brushes I can't seem to find anything for my specific model. Roller bars are very expensive and not as plentiful. Light bulbs can't be found." I believe most Royal carbon brushes should fit, and they should be available through ebay. If not, brushes are literally just chunks of carbon - any old thing will do. Measure them and search ebay with the measurements and the term 'carbon brushes.' You may have to search for the nearest fractional size and nearest metric size to turn up something. Most brushes come in fairly standard sizes - as long as they look similar - and don't be afraid to buy brushes a little too big and shave them down with sandpaper or a razor blade. As long as they fit well in the brush holders - not too tight or too loose - slide easily, and have roughly the proper springs behind them (you can always reuse the original brush springs [I'm assuming they have springs]), they will work. As for light bulbs... don't they just use a standard bayonet appliance light bulb? aka 'vacuum cleaner light bulb'? I'll bet it's similar to the aftermarket car parts industry, where if you're searching for something very specific, but for a very common car, and come up with absolutely nothing, it's often because the part you're looking for is so common and universally used, that it's rarely, if ever, associated with the particular car you're searching under. Hopefully someone else will chime in and let you know what kind of light bulb it uses. Also another helpful tip with an automotive allegory: when you're looking for parts for that weird car that nobody really knows exists, you usually have to find its nearest sibling and look up that instead. Luckily for you, Royals are all very similar to each other. They're kind of like the VW Beetle, 'evolutionary design' aka, they never changed anything. I'll bet if you need a part, and you just search for 'Royal' instead of 'Royal 4000' the stuff that turns up will probably fit. Hopefully someone else here can let you know what's the nearest relative to the 4000. | ||
Post# 406905 , Reply# 5 3/18/2019 at 23:54 (1,862 days old) by rivstg1  (colorado springs) |
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Post# 406957 , Reply# 7 3/19/2019 at 18:56 (1,861 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 407002 , Reply# 9 3/20/2019 at 22:27 (1,860 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
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| Post# 407034 , Reply# 10 3/21/2019 at 23:37 (1,859 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
Hey
I just got my royal 4000 it has 10.5 amp motor. The bulb is same as older Kirby's. I'm thinking Sylvania 1560. I couldn't get the led ones to work. It is loud. The carbon brushes are same as early Kirby models.
This royal has drop in motor. Everything's enclosed in housing. I don't have 10amp 1030z but this feels stronger. Les | ||
| Post# 407040 , Reply# 11 3/22/2019 at 01:56 (1,859 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
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| Post# 407174 , Reply# 12 3/25/2019 at 07:30 (1,856 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 407179 , Reply# 13 3/25/2019 at 10:26 (1,855 days old) by 97widerider (Indiana) | ||
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Thanks so much for the info ! Sounds like plenty of replacement parts to be found. Les, are the carbon brushes easily accessible once the motor is pulled? I do not have the model where they are under caps at the rear. If the motor is still out could you possibly send a pic of one? Thanks | ||
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Post# 407215 , Reply# 14 3/26/2019 at 14:30 (1,854 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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97widerider
Derek,
The correct light bulb to use will depend on if the machine has the non-drop-in motor (7.0 amp or lower, with carbon brush access caps on the motor housing) or if it has the drop-in type motor (7.5 - 10.5 amps) Use part no. 1-880629-000 (a 120-volt bulb) on all Royal metal uprights rated 7.0 amps or lower. This is what your 5700 (9700) would use. Use part no. 1-725629-000 (a 12-volt bulb) on all Royal metal uprights rated 7.5 amps or higher. This is what your 4000 would use. ~Ben | ||
| Post# 407235 , Reply# 15 3/26/2019 at 21:53 (1,854 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
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Ok, those part numbers don't come up with anything unless you omit the beginning and end numbers. So here:
880629 - 120v 725629 - 12v Looking at the 12v bulb, apparently I was wrong, it is NOT an 1156. That would make too much sense. Instead they basically used the same bayonet base as the 120v bulb, but put a 12v 1156 bulb into it. In other words, the base has two contacts on the bottom. There's only one listing on ebay for it, and a couple here and there. So not impossible to find, but not exactly plentiful either. I'd assume vac shops or vac parts websites would carry them. The 120v light bulb I swear looks like any ordinary "appliance light bulb" or "vacuum light bulb." Correct me if I'm wrong. Me, personally, it would bother me that those 12v light bulbs are hard to get. I'd just modify the bulb socket to take a NORMAL 1156 bulb. But hey, that's just me :3 | ||
| Post# 407259 , Reply# 16 3/27/2019 at 16:46 (1,853 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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The motor is similar to s cannister vacuum Motor. The bulbs a Sylvania 1156. The carbon brush from 505-d80 fit perfectly. The carbon brush I'll send pics of. I have and pretty sure kelton got bulbs I mentioned. There is 2 bulbs. One is a little longer than stock 1156 bulb and other is same size.
eBay Kirby needs sales carbon brushes. Led I'll provide link later when I get home. Amebush lamb makes most motors that's why Kirby carbon brush fits. I'll check the belt out some parts may be interchangeable but belts you the right belt always get oem. Les | ||
| Post# 407272 , Reply# 18 3/27/2019 at 21:03 (1,853 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Hey
I took pics. The normal Kirby are small carbon brushes the bigger brushes on legend 2 are next to royal carbon brushes. I have been confused as I have been working on 3 older royal vacuums lately. These carbon brushes are the biggest I have seen. The copper coil is attached to back of brushes. The spring I took off and put back on in pics. The top of the motor housing is 4 numbers on each side. For now go with Sylvania 1156 bulb. I don't have led bulb on this yet as I just cleaned it up. Check carbon brushes but you are probably good because those suckers are huge. The interchangeable royal Kirby parts are for almost every model except this model. So just stick with regular light and check carbon brush but there probably good. The royal we both have has biggest motor I've seen in uprights. I know amebush lamb made the motor. So ordering motor parts order from amebush lamb as this is only 10.5 amp royal upright your not going to find parts. The 14 inch royal brush roll fits. The bearing plate and fan remind me of rexair rainbow motor and amebush lamb compact interstate motor. Les | ||
| Post# 407280 , Reply# 19 3/27/2019 at 21:59 (1,853 days old) by 97widerider (Indiana) | ||
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You’ve been a tremendous help, thanks a million! | ||
| Post# 407281 , Reply# 20 3/27/2019 at 22:21 (1,853 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 407284 , Reply# 21 3/27/2019 at 22:51 (1,853 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
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Just a note of warning, if you try to use an 1156 bulb - which has a single contact on the bottom - in a socket for a bulb with two contacts on the bottom, it could end really badly. Before putting any bulb in, LOOK into the socket and see if it has two contacts on the bottom or one, and match the bulb to it. As long as you match the number of contacts in the socket, you might blow the bulb, or it may not work if the bulb is wrong, but your vac will be safe. Make CERTAIN. If you put an 1156 in a two-pin socket for a 12v light bulb, if could short out the windings in the motor.
Of course, I don't know which bulb you need. It's always best to look before you leap. Would be nice if it was an 1156, though. Because those can be had by the dozen, from ebay, amazon, or any car parts store, for very little money. | ||
| Post# 407299 , Reply# 23 3/28/2019 at 14:50 (1,852 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
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Fair enough.
But anyhow, I was rummaging around some junk in my shop today, and I found a 1004 light bulb. Two contact base, single filament, 12 volt. It *should* sub for the 2-pin 12v Royal bulb. It's a very old fashioned automotive light bulb, but you can still find them online for very cheap. RockAuto.com wants only $0.23 each (plus shipping). Just thought I'd let you know. | ||
| Post# 407315 , Reply# 24 3/28/2019 at 21:01 (1,852 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Hey
My numbers are off but dual bayonet bulb from 505 fits up to d80. The royal vacuums from my 1949 up to my 1996 the dual bayonet bulb fits. So my number is but 1650 is oem correct bulb. So being logical as you say would you recommend 1004 bulb or 1650 oem to Kirby. I was off on number but like meant dual bayonet bulb. I didn't mean single bayonet. I wouldn't recommend 1004 bulb either it could short out a vacuum just as good as a single bayonet bulb would.
So I'm just messing with you madmen but you know I meant double bayonet as 505 through classic 1 take double bayonet bulb. So my intention was good. I also retracted my recommends for motor. The vacuum cleaner is a beast. When you vacuum raise nozzle to Max height. You will still be sucking up quarters 10 ft away. Keep it away from throw rugs. Keep away from animal toys. We had like a 4-5 inch rat and it frappeyet it. So be careful it eats everything. Les | ||
| Post# 407386 , Reply# 27 3/30/2019 at 18:37 (1,850 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Hey
The reason I couldn't get it to work was the bulb was right there was a piece stopping the bottom of the bulb from connecting. The screws to get to the bulb are on verge of stripping out. I have the bulb just not in a rush to put led in as barely got 2 others screws loose that we're almost stripped.
If it's this thread Kirby vacuette buy it for $10. It is a great hand vacuum it agitation and suction are very good. I have a good 10+15 hand vacuums and this and my Iona dirt raider are best ones. Iona is like twice the size of other hand vacuums. $10 is a steal. Les | ||
| Post# 407401 , Reply# 28 3/31/2019 at 03:17 (1,850 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
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The (stupid) idea of using a 12v light bulb in a 120v appliance works because they put a secondary winding into the motor that works either like a generator (alternator, technically) or a transformer to create 12 volts. ((tfw when I realize there may not be a difference.)) Either way, it'll be AC. And the typical LED replacement 'bulb' for automotive use is designed with the notion that it'll be receiving good DC. So such an LED bulb won't really behave properly on AC, as it'll basically flicker on and off with the sine wave.
Unless, of course, the LED bulb is designed to be used with AC, and it'll have a rectifier and smoothing capacitor inside of it. | ||
| Post# 407403 , Reply# 29 3/31/2019 at 04:38 (1,850 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Hey
A car is moth ac and dc. The car alternator phas 3 phases of ac. At end it is rectified to DC to charge battery. When car is running it runs on both accounts and dc. Led automotive led headlines use Dc.
So this info that they flicker on vacuums is incorrect. The bulbs flicker because of vibration of vacuum or too high of voltage to power the bulb. You have to use s high quality bulb with correct power. The bad bulbs are usually silicone to hold led light in. They also don't have plastic over silicone but the good ones do. It has plastic she'll to withstand vibrations. So I have bought quite a few led bulbs. I've found 2 work extremely well for with dual bayonet reverse polarity. I Just read your post again. I in different words said the same thing you did. Les | ||
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