Thread Number: 38196
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Post# 406711 , Reply# 1   3/15/2019 at 16:00 (1,865 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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Post# 406713 , Reply# 2   3/15/2019 at 16:16 (1,865 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)   |   | |
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I hear you. I have no idea why people keep buying Dyson sticks. They only last 15 minutes and just whisk the surface of the carpet, and do not suck anything out of the fibers down to the floorboards, leaving it all in the carpet. Remember the old Eureka commercials with the cartoon dust devils sawing apart the carpet? Funny how we keep moving backwards as society progresses and nobody has a memory past 10 years.
Also the video and his logic is so flawed anyway. It's like comparing a twin axle dump truck to a pickup truck in terms of hauling capacity. Comparing a Dyson cordless stick with a 15 minute battery to a wall-powered enormous central vacuum makes no sense. |
Post# 406734 , Reply# 4   3/16/2019 at 01:42 (1,865 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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The video-------TOTAL CRAP!!!!!!I don't see the person using his Dyson stick vacuum-he just rants on at how bad central vacs are.Not this goon again-just ignore his total know nothing RUBBISH!!!!! |
Post# 406802 , Reply# 6   3/17/2019 at 07:28 (1,863 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 406853 , Reply# 7   3/18/2019 at 11:20 (1,862 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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Post# 406854 , Reply# 8   3/18/2019 at 11:26 (1,862 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 406856 , Reply# 9   3/18/2019 at 11:31 (1,862 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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Post# 406969 , Reply# 10   3/19/2019 at 23:59 (1,861 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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I have had to contact the youtube because this guy has took screenshots from my channel videos. So he made a copyright violation.
Those videos have been removed from his channel. I am not the only youtuber who has had to do the same thing. He is clearly against everyone who doesn't agree with him with his Dyson obsession. If you argue with him, he always ask for links for other peoples claims, but he doesn't show any links to his claims. At least other youtubers show tests, but all he does is talk like a robot and show those cartoon like "data sheets" what he made. |
Post# 407010 , Reply# 12   3/21/2019 at 00:51 (1,860 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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@Mike811 Wow ! Who ever is running that channel is a real piece of shit then .
Unfortunately cartoon like "data sheets" are becoming all the more common on vacuum YouTube channels. A few other channels do this to . I can't think of any vacuum YouTube channel that is actually practicing proper scientific technique. In my humble opinion a spreadsheet is useless for youtube. if you include a link I'm happy to follow a complaint to YouTube as well about that dude copywriting infringement on your channel. |
Post# 407019 , Reply# 13   3/21/2019 at 08:50 (1,859 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)   |   | |
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The "Vacuum Wars" Youtube channel isn't one I flag as horrible, as they set up the same tests for several vacuums. Maybe It's not scientific, but It's at least fair in my estimation. |
Post# 407027 , Reply# 14   3/21/2019 at 20:37 (1,859 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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@vexorgtr I met the dude who does vacuum wars he's a pretty chill guy! He got into this out of frustration of his shark vacuums apparently. Guys got a degree in film and it shows in his videos! I wouldn't say they're scientific ,but I would definitely say he's working hard on that! But we weren't rtalking about his channel.
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Post# 407251 , Reply# 17   3/27/2019 at 11:48 (1,853 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 407347 , Reply# 19   3/29/2019 at 13:06 (1,851 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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@ralph123 That's not Common for a central vacuum to clog.
I know lots of installers and repair People in the Central Vacuum Industry. Central vacuum don't relay clog Simple physics of how there designed, Leaky Pies are not common ether. I think you should do some more research. @vexorgtr @Vacfan1982 Make the point and case ! |
Post# 407997 , Reply# 21   4/12/2019 at 23:00 (1,837 days old) by hmc1981 (St. Augustine, Florida)   |   | |
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Just wait.
Apparently he got his hands on a G5 and is using it for a series of new videos. He claims that “they are all the same anyway” and something along the lines of the Kirby nuts will go bonkers and any information contrary to them all being the same is rubbish... But even if you don’t care for Kirby, the modifications made to them since the G5 run (1997-1999) have absolutely improved their performance. I doubt I’ll watch the videos, but did think it was appropriate to inform others of what’s to come, lol. Happy vacuuming - whatever machine(s) you use. |
Post# 408015 , Reply# 22   4/13/2019 at 14:03 (1,836 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 408065 , Reply# 23   4/14/2019 at 04:10 (1,836 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 408068 , Reply# 24   4/14/2019 at 06:22 (1,835 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Oh yes :D Well Generation series Kirbys are quite same except improved stiffer oblique style brushroll and more power (higher motor rpm). We all already know what the results of his "tests" will be. V10 is far better than the Kirby :D Thing is that he has already done the damage to his reputation. Just looking all of his videos show how obsessed he is with the Dyson. His biggest mistake was to start war against "rabid vacuum enthusiasts" He has also done several copyright violations and number of videos has been removed from his channel by youtube. I know that the Kirby hype can be overwhelming at times, but he is in totally different level. His attitude and arrogance has caused huge amount of dislikes to his videos so he had to hide them. At first people got mad at him, but now nobody seems to care anymore. He is what he is and we all know it. When one youtuber vacuumed V11 filter with another vacuum he absolutely flipped :D So better leave him alone and block him. I certainly have and I don't bother anymore commenting or watching his videos :) |
Post# 408072 , Reply# 25   4/14/2019 at 07:46 (1,835 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 408075 , Reply# 26   4/14/2019 at 09:12 (1,835 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 408076 , Reply# 27   4/14/2019 at 10:08 (1,835 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 408087 , Reply# 28   4/14/2019 at 18:56 (1,835 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 408134 , Reply# 29   4/15/2019 at 13:53 (1,834 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 408143 , Reply# 31   4/15/2019 at 17:15 (1,834 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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This Vacuum Facts guy is against the whole vacuum cleaner community. You're not the only one who has been affected. Majority of his videos are made to (try) convince people how wrong they are and how misleading their videos are. I am surprised that his channel hasn't been taken down after all the copyright violations. You can Imagine how upset I was to find out that he had taken screen shots from my videos. Then using those in his videos to show how "ridiculous" my videos are.
He is poison to the whole vacuum community. I don't even want to watch his videos anymore, because I just get frustrated. |
Post# 408181 , Reply# 33   4/16/2019 at 08:43 (1,833 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 408185 , Reply# 34   4/16/2019 at 09:02 (1,833 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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JohnnyL8 is a total tool. He dismisses proven scientific fact as marketing mumbo jumbo. It's a proven fact that strong airflow is needed to properly clean floors and carpeting. Dyson cleaners only produce around 52 CFM of airflow for a full size upright, which is the worst airflow of any high end upright. A Kirby Avalir 2 produces around 150 CFM at the cleaner head, which is almost THREE TIMES as much as a Dyson. An Aerus Electrolux canister will get about 100 CFM as well, almost twice that of a Dyson. Also, The Kirby and Aerus Electrolux agitate with vibration. The Dyson agitates by grinding and tearing at the carpet fibers. When you vacuum with a Dyson, most of the stuff in that bin is actually ripped up carpet fibers, not dirt! There have been numerous complaints of Dysons tearing up carpets, and even some carpet manufacturers will void your warranty if you use a Dyson on that carpet. They're also not durable. I came across a Dyson DC07 a few days ago that you could pull to bits with your hands! I don't even need to mention the Dyson V10's self destruct battery!
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Post# 408189 , Reply# 35   4/16/2019 at 12:23 (1,833 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 408191 , Reply# 36   4/16/2019 at 13:30 (1,833 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 408192 , Reply# 37   4/16/2019 at 13:38 (1,833 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 408199 , Reply# 38   4/16/2019 at 15:03 (1,833 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 408207 , Reply# 40   4/16/2019 at 18:11 (1,833 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)   |   | |
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I rarely have time to watch videos as much as I like to nowadays. I also agree with Tom, anybody has their own opinions. And arguing is really not my thing to get into. I've watched that central vac video a while ago, it was the only video that I have seen on their channel. I don't think I've lasted more than 5 minutes of the video. If you don't like watching videos of this channel, just simply don't watch anymore of them.
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Post# 408228 , Reply# 41   4/16/2019 at 22:57 (1,833 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 408243 , Reply# 42   4/17/2019 at 08:08 (1,832 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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I got this lecture from JohnnyL8 (Vacuum Facts) after he saw my video (above).
He is totally out of his mind and better to avoid and just forget. "Nevertheless, good effort on your part to at least attempt to show an honest test of the very point which was initially dismissed. It nicely shows everything I said here about how Kirby's airflow drops like a stone on carpet relative to the open hose, is 100% true. Unfortunately, it’s not possible to draw too meaningful a conclusion about the quantified relative cleaning performance from your test, because measurements are inaccurate and suffer from many testing flaws which affect results. Firstly, you only make a single pass forwards and backwards, which doesn’t account for statistical variability of particle removal from carpets; I've discussed this many times on my channel. Secondly, you don’t accurately represent that real-world users would repeat passes (at least twice) for obviously exaggerated messes like you had as an initial condition, and in such a way that unswept belt lines are addressed. Thirdly, you used the Kirby after an initial clean from both units to attempt to quantify the residual remaining. This limits the residual mass extraction to the performance of the Kirby in both cases which is another source of error. This mixing of machines can’t be done in performance testing, as it mixes variables and renders it an unfair test. You'll see this week some highly accurate, milligram accuracy, fully quantified testing of relative performance of a Kirby with a more representative dust type containing a range of particle sizes, and which accounts for statistical variability in deep-cleaning. Unlike most amateur tests, the results are fairly conclusive and devoid of sources of common error, and are thus less inaccurate. I'll also add that there is no good evidence that US (or EU) homes have one type of carpet over another. This is a made up myth. I heard that most US homes favour hard flooring, in fact." |
Post# 408249 , Reply# 43   4/17/2019 at 08:43 (1,832 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 408253 , Reply# 44   4/17/2019 at 12:02 (1,832 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 408254 , Reply# 45   4/17/2019 at 12:32 (1,832 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 408255 , Reply# 46   4/17/2019 at 12:59 (1,832 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Kirby is not even designed to work on the sealed carpets. Many have pointed that out when I have tested my Kirby on my rubber backed sealed rugs. Note that US homes are full of wall to wall carpets that are flow through on those Kirby performs fantastically. Somehow he thinks that his tests are correct and other youtubers tests are "misleading". Total BS. Just look how Kirby works on the flow trough rug/carpet compared to modern Dyson: |
Post# 408258 , Reply# 48   4/17/2019 at 13:16 (1,832 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 408259 , Reply# 49   4/17/2019 at 13:26 (1,832 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 408273 , Reply# 51   4/17/2019 at 23:12 (1,832 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 408282 , Reply# 52   4/18/2019 at 18:28 (1,831 days old) by Hmc1981 (St. Augustine, Florida)   |   | |
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I really don’t know why I’m adding to this, it doesn’t really matter.
I guess for me, it has nothing to do with the make of the machines, it’s his attitude. For example: He once said the Carpet and Rug Institute was a “cowboy organization” (or whatever cowboy thing he said) without providing details and hard evidence that their testing methods are inaccurate - and then goes on to tell others that unless they can back up what they say with hard evidence, what they say is therefore mere opinion and not based on facts. To me that’s just a double standard and it’s unfair, and to me discredits everything he does. I own several vacuums, many different makes. MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE- I’ve used a couple of Dysons, one a DC41, the other I don’t remember. There’s an area in my home (house is quite old) where I keep the litter box... wood floors with some large gaps between planks. The ONLY machines I’ve ever used that DIDN'T pick up the litter that was in between the planks were the Dysons. I guess what I’m saying is that his “facts” do not match my reality - and that’s the point. There isn’t one single machine that can do everything perfectly and better. The very nature of his videos is dishonest and I could give a flying f what he’s testing against, he is the one guilty of misleading people, not his claim of the opposite. |
Post# 408400 , Reply# 53   4/21/2019 at 12:40 (1,828 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 408421 , Reply# 54   4/22/2019 at 00:09 (1,828 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)   |   | |
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I just IGNORE that clown and DO NOT watch his goofy videos.He is just a DYSON salesman in disguise!! |
Post# 408423 , Reply# 55   4/22/2019 at 05:34 (1,828 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 408447 , Reply# 56   4/22/2019 at 13:38 (1,827 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio)   |   | |
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Let's count the ways, shall we?
1) By using an airflow robbing dirt meter and pads that clog with large amounts of dust almost immediately. Easy to prove and I have on my channel. 2) By using a brushroll with worn bristles. Compare a new chevron style to his and you will see much tighter tufts. 3) By not proving in any way (that I can find quickly) his G5 is "up to snuff". In other words, we have no idea how well it is performing natively. AND three more things that are quite hilarious is that he wants to compare a mid-90's machine to a late 2010's machine, when there are obvious updates like: 1) Newer style oblique stiff brushroll and 2) HEPA bags 3) 20%-25% higher airflow (Avalir vs. older G series). The best thing I laughed at in his video is his obvious misuse of the term MASS. Yup, what he claims is mass is actually weight. Mass is weight divided by gravity. HOWEVER, did everyone notice that his mangled, crippled G5 had essentially the same pickup as the almighty V10 up through "Cleaning Session #6"? If he has the ability to weigh the dirt pickup, why didn't he just weigh a bag multiple times? Frankly, his test proves the very opposite of what he thinks. That high airflow in a traditional dirty air vacuum could easily beat a V10 on his porous carpet if it wasn't intentionally crippled. I think I remember informing him of his suction versus airflow confusion back a few years ago in videos he's probably deleted by now. Look, if I really wanted to cheat, I could probably create any number of tests if I wanted to prove machine X is better than machine Y, but that's simply not what I'm about. Let me know if I've missed anything... Bill |
Post# 408449 , Reply# 57   4/22/2019 at 14:10 (1,827 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Indeed he intentionally rigged the test and when I pointed those to him he just totally ignored my opinions. I saw your video how badly the dirt meter lowers the airflow and he thinks that "some airflow loss" doesn't matter. So 47 cfm is minor difference compared to the 121 cfm LOL! Same with the old vs new brushroll type. He just claims that it doesn't matter and the added agitation doesn't change anything. He is full of BS with his V10. |
Post# 408453 , Reply# 58   4/22/2019 at 14:57 (1,827 days old) by Hmc1981 (St. Augustine, Florida)   |   | |
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Didn’t he write you and say something along the lines of your test being inaccurate because you only did a single pass and a real world user would make at least two passes? Doesn’t he understand that in the real world people wouldn’t be vacuuming with the dirt meter? Lol. It takes all sorts to make a world.
I haven’t seen his “test” yet. Not sure if I will or not. He’s just so pompous - insisting he is accurate and everyone else is wrong. I’ll give him one thing, he’s accurately inaccurate. Happy vacuuming! |
Post# 408458 , Reply# 59   4/22/2019 at 15:45 (1,827 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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He criticises everything what other testers do. Too many or little passes, too much or too little debris, wrong type of carpet, etc. And of course his tests are only one to be trusted LOL
I have never seen anyone so aggressive against vacuum collectors. His life mission is to proof that the Dyson stick vacuums are the best vacuums in the world. He is always right and others are always wrong. But he is pretty much alone with his opinions. Only few hardcore Dyson fans agree with him. This person is full of anger and rage against us: vacuum community. It's easy to see from his videos and comments. Actually it's so bad that it's hilarious 😃 I am not too bothered about his videos. I have too much fun making my own videos ☺ |
Post# 408460 , Reply# 60   4/22/2019 at 16:04 (1,827 days old) by Hmc1981 (St. Augustine, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 409279 , Reply# 61   5/9/2019 at 12:22 (1,810 days old) by DesiredName (Utah)   |   | |
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So basically this guy is saying that if you have carpet that restricts all airflow then your Dyson will work about as well as a kirby.... In that case any vacuum would work poorly. Thanks Vacuum Facts channel. I now know that my Dysons will work about as well at vacuuming crumbs off plastic wrap as my kirbys and other direct air machines. Really good to know.
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Post# 409288 , Reply# 62   5/9/2019 at 17:49 (1,810 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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Post# 409309 , Reply# 64   5/10/2019 at 11:48 (1,809 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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I think the most important thing to remember is that whatever he says majority of people will realize how sick he is.
His comments are pure evil and sickness and people aren't stupid. Vacuum Facts has gone totally crazy in his comments. He is so out of control that even blind can see it. He clearly doesn't realize it how he has totally lost his reputation. Now people only know him as a raging Dyson fanatic who desperately needs mental help. I once made a video about "certain" channel stealing content from my videos and of course I didn't mention what the channel was. Almost everyone knew what the channel was. So there is a way to make his channel to go downhill. Every collector just makes a video about "certain" channel and he is going to drown in to the dislikes and tons of hate comments. Eventually he will be gone from youtube or at least most hated. Well he is already most hated youtuber. |
Post# 409356 , Reply# 65   5/11/2019 at 16:32 (1,808 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Well he, via process of elimination between myself and ibaisaic) accused me of deliberately breaking my v11 head so I could have a pop at dyson. Things have escalated and he is on version 3 of his explanation. I'm about to sit down and compare the 3 and make VacuumFacts state facts for once... |
Post# 409377 , Reply# 66   5/12/2019 at 13:42 (1,807 days old) by FanOfVacuums2 (Williamsburg, VA)   |   | |
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I have never engaged with this person or even heard of him before seeing this thread, but I must say that many of his critiques of the Kirby in his Kirby G5 versus Dyson V11 video are hilarious. First of all, the G5 is a very old model and the Avalir 2 does have various improvements. He could still have some actual points against the Kirby because it is a thirty-year-old design with a bit of a learning curve for new owners to say the least, but he takes it way too far. His descriptions of how dangerous they are to lift and use are amazing. I have never ran over my toes or hit myself with one. Never once did it ever cross my mind that I may need to wear safety shoes or any other protective equipment. He acts as if they weigh so much more than they actually do. I can just imagine a scenario of him mowing over his toes with the G5; smashing it into walls, furniture, and himself; and straining himself while pathetically trying to carry it with two hands at the top of the handle instead of at the carrying handles like he did in the video. He must be a very clumsy person. Also, his attempt to make Tech Drive sound complex is really something else. It is like driving a car and being puzzled on how to put it in and out of gear. I hope that he does not try to drive a vehicle with a manual transmission. He would have a meltdown if he finds the whopping two options of Kirby's Tech Drive system confusing.
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Post# 409416 , Reply# 68   5/13/2019 at 22:18 (1,806 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)   |   | |
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Good grief.... I have not even tried to contact him. I THINK I left a comment, and down-voted a few videos, but that's about all. I think his misguided opinions (facts according to his videos) are a waste of effort. |
Post# 409435 , Reply# 70   5/14/2019 at 16:00 (1,805 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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Started getting long drawn-out comments similar to Johnny's from "Matthew Locke" either the same person or they're very good friends. Was wondering if anybody else can confirm or deny this?
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Post# 409468 , Reply# 71   5/15/2019 at 08:49 (1,804 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Matthew Lock (The Vac Mat) worships Johnny and his videos. Matt is always defending Johnny. He is hardcore Dyson fanatic, but he is also very young. About 14-15 years old. I had to block Matt because he sent me very nasty comment against my testing. Worst of all he made video what included screenshots from my video. Obviously I made copyright claim and his video was removed. |
Post# 409518 , Reply# 73   5/16/2019 at 11:10 (1,803 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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@Mike811 I had a similar experience with him. Would occasionally send me messages asking vacuum related questions. Then out of left field started leaving a large amount of hate comments. Ended up blocking him as well.
@beko1987 You're definitely right we were all kids once. That's why I just put him on the block list. No way of reasoning with a child like that . |
Post# 409519 , Reply# 74   5/16/2019 at 14:39 (1,803 days old) by RitaWilliams (Villahermosa)   |   | |
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That's some pretty funny stuff hahaha |
Post# 409560 , Reply# 75   5/18/2019 at 12:35 (1,801 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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Post# 409575 , Reply# 76   5/19/2019 at 06:48 (1,800 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 409768 , Reply# 78   5/25/2019 at 14:32 (1,794 days old) by mariotron (Texas )   |   | |
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This. Reminds of the guy who argued with me that apple is "smart" for making theirs iOS devices compatible with expandable storage and why you shouldn't think otherwise.
That and his use of the words "evidence" "facts" "scientific and the term "light-years ahead" make want to rip my monitor in half with my bare hands. |
Post# 409946 , Reply# 79   5/30/2019 at 01:50 (1,790 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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Post# 410904 , Reply# 80   6/26/2019 at 00:06 (1,763 days old) by ridgidwd0670 (se wood co ohio)   |   | |
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Bagged is BETTER!
I wouldnt waste $ on a Diesoon V6 My old Eureka bagged corded stick vac will OUTCLEAN ANY BAGLESS stick vac; however I use my Eureka ESP for quick pick-ups on carpet I'm planning to get a CV with the Perfect kit (old style Lux) Yrs ago I had a NuTone with Hayden SuperPak but it was a rental house |
Post# 455246 , Reply# 82   7/27/2022 at 12:29 (635 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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