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Thread Number: 38181
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
Robot Vacuum Debate |
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| Post# 406604 3/12/2019 at 22:17 (1,870 days old) by vacmaster (San Diego) | ||
Hey guys, I'm about to discuss what seems to be a touchy topic here for whatever reason. I feel like a bit of a black sheep saying that I actually enjoy and collect robot vacuums and think that they can replace full size vacuums in some situations, mostly where hard flooring is the only flooring type present, and I have some compelling reasons why they can also severy mitigate the usage of a full size on carpet. The only robots currently worthwhile are flagship models like Roomba 900 or i series and the Neato Botvac D Series connected models, and that is because these models come from robot manufacturers, not vacuum manufacturers. iRobot produced robots for many years before releasing the first Roomba, meaning that they were able to make the Roomba an exceptional robot before making it a high performance vacuum. People expected the Roomba to be a perfect vacuum very early on, when I'm going to assume a great number of you had your first (and last) robot experience that may have left a sour taste in some of your mouths. With the release of the 500 series robots in 2007, iRobot now had an easily modifiable platform that could accept new parts and new internals with minimal modification, and that is why 500 series Roombas actually share many key parts with new models. This standardization of their lineups layout allowed them to focus on making their robots clean better, something that their robots struggled with in the past. The reason they are able to do this is because the bin and CHM (cleaning head module) which are the most integral parts to the cleaning system generally follow the same design parameters, allowing iRobot to focus on improving internals such as motors, and brushes. Compared to their old brush based robots, their AeroForce system picks up at least 30% more debris per run in my experience because the rubber rollers focus an impressive 17 cfm (for a robot at least) into the exact spot where carpet fibers are being spread out and agitated, and this leads to the robot extracting impressive amounts of fine dirt from carpets. Having owned 19 robot vacuums, I can say for a fact that new robots, while closely resembling their predecessors in appearance, are actually anything but similar to them. My iRobot Roomba 985 is currently my favorite because for only $580, you are getting a lot of robot vacuum for the money. The robot routinely fills its bin with fine dust, and this wasn't the case even with my 500 or 600 series models. Old Roombas and even current base models from their lineup pick up surface dirt almost exclusively because they have weak suction that is not properly routed to the floor and inefficient brushes that do little to agitate carpet. When I say the new Roombas "agitate" I do not mean that they will do what something like a Riccar or a Convertible will do to sand in a carpet, because that is an unreasonable standard to set for a battery operated device, however I will agree that robots will need to come closer to such performance to be considered as a replacement for a full sized vacuum, especially on carpets. I have noticed that most of the negative reviews for these robots are generated either by user error or from people expecting to much from a base model, which I think is why most of you dislike these robots that you may have had poor experiences with in the past is because too much was expected of the new product. I can't really comment on the expectations there were for these robots at the time because I am only 14, however having dedicated hundreds of hours to researching, using, monitoring and thousands of dollars purchasing and maintaining these robots, I do believe that I am qualified to give a respectable and persuasive opinion and point of view on my side of the Robot vs. Full Size debate. I know most of your opinions are set in stone, however I hope I am able to convince you to possibly reconsider and re visit some of these exciting new robots considering that recent advancements in technology have been able to push them further than they have ever been before. Please reply with your opinion and what side of debate you fall on. I would love to hear about your experiences as well as what you think robot vacuums need to be able to accomplish to become competent cleaning machines.
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| Post# 406621 , Reply# 3 3/13/2019 at 08:33 (1,869 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
worthless toys
I meet thousands of people every year. For the most part, especially when they see the Electrolux Trilobite, they ask about "robot" vacuum cleaners. The very first thing I tell them is "it's not a vacuum cleaner". It's a carpet sweeper. Like the ones from 100 years ago.
To be efficient, a vacuum cleaner must be pulled backwards. The brush is running in a forward direction, so to raise the nap and sweep efficiently, the machine must be pulled backwards. Robots cannot do that. There's no way that there is enough battery power to power both wheel motors, the brush motor, a suction motor (10 to 12 amps), and the computer, not to mention an 'eye' so the machine can 'see' where to go and where it's been. That being said, I do believe the day will come when robots also include a hose and small attachments for 'non robot' mode. Currently there is only one robot that even comes close, the Dyson Eye 360. And it's still light years away from the efficiency of a $47 Bissell from Wal-Mart. | ||
| Post# 406623 , Reply# 4 3/13/2019 at 09:12 (1,869 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY) | ||
My aunt has a Roomba that scurries around the house and sucks up dust bunnies. They're more like robotic stick vacuums, they're good for a quick everyday touch up, but every few days you still need to go over the floor with a full size vacuum. Also, if you have dogs, accidents can happen, and then Roomba tries to clean up the mess. You can guess what happens next!
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| Post# 406647 , Reply# 6 3/13/2019 at 18:14 (1,869 days old) by vacmaster (San Diego) | ||
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dysonman1-
You make good points and I believe that the argument you make from the opposite side of the debate is a compelling one, however I feel there are a few things you may not realize about the Roomba model I was referring to. There are two "extractors" (image attached) with opposing treads that rotate in opposite directions, that simulate the forward and back stroke to an extent, and the higher airflow produced by the robot comes closer to a real vacuum than the Neato models because it is focused in a smaller area. Also, the battery usage issue is addressed by iRobot implementing a power management system into 800 series models and up, and that combined with recharge and resume functionality allows the battery usage of the robot to become less of an issue. While I too love the idea of tool functionality on a robot, it would just never work because for the tools to be effective, the robot would have to be much to large, which is part of why the DC06 was never sold. Large robots cannot clean under furniture and are more prone to getting stuck. For those of you saying that you would rather manually vacuum or that you enjoy vacuuming (which don't get me wrong, so do I) this product isn't exactly meant for enthusiasts to enjoy using. This is meant for those who simply don't have time to vacuum i.e. busy families. In my experience, these eliminate the need for a vacuum on hard floors, and I say that because I clean my tile floors with robots exclusively. However on carpets, they keep surface dirt and dirt that may be lightly pressed into the pile under control for weeks on end. I only vacuum carpets manually about once every two to three weeks, and even when I do I pick up very little. This is in a 2500 sq. ft. house, mix of carpet and tile in Southern California. There is a considerable amount of sand that enters my home on a daily basis, and the robots for the most part keep it under control. I wear socks around the house always and they look like they were just washed by the end of the day, thanks to my robots that run daily. What I'm trying to say here is that they are more than carpet sweepers, and that they are a legitimate replacement for regular vacuuming when used habitually, however they are not a full replacement for vacuuming on carpets of any sort.
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| Post# 406653 , Reply# 7 3/14/2019 at 00:00 (1,869 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA) | ||
I'm also a fan of robot vacuums. I have a dog and two cats, I just don't have enough time to vacuum my house daily. My Samsung Powerbot does a decent job and very rarely gets stuck on anything. I've also owned a few Roombas which all had issues getting stuck, but my favorite robot vac has been a Neato that I had a few years ago. It did a good job of cleaning and the navigation was excellent. My Samsung uses a camera pointed at the ceiling for navigation and it requires the lights to be on in the room in which it's cleaning, but the Neato uses a laser which doesn't require any light to work.
I don't know that I would say they could replace a regular vac though, unless you have exclusively hard flooring but even then I'd expect you'd at least need a hand vac for furniture. | ||
| Post# 406665 , Reply# 8 3/14/2019 at 12:35 (1,868 days old) by vacmaster (San Diego) | ||
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Which POWERbot model do you have? I have the R7040 and I have been less than impressed with the navigation. It ends up going in crooked lines and not finishing a job before the battery runs out. I can't help but agree with the statement that the LIDAR navigation bots are more efficient. My two Neato Botvac D3s are excellent cleaners. I use my gray one everyday, and my white one stays in the box for future display.
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| Post# 406671 , Reply# 9 3/14/2019 at 14:18 (1,868 days old) by compactc9guy (Bathurst NB) | ||
Call me old fashion but i like the feel of the vacuum hose in my hand picking up the dirt and seeing the bag get full .I am not a fan of robot vacuum BUT,if my main vacuum was down and i needed a quick touch up before the guest arrive i could see the benefits .To me its more of a toy , i prefer my big, bulky, loud, machine. Haha i must be odd but, i prefer to vacuum my self .And see the machine pick up the dust and look inside the bag i pick that up my self .
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| Post# 406722 , Reply# 11 3/15/2019 at 18:27 (1,867 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA) | ||
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vacmaster....
I have the same model as you. I have not been impressed with its navigation, it seems a bit random at times, but I have been very impressed with its ability to not get stuck like Roombas that I've owned in the past have. I have the same issue as you with it going in crooked lines sometimes, but I haven't had many problems with it skipping areas at least. The cleaning performance is decent for what it is, but dog hair tends to block the first half of the container and never make it to the back of the container, essentially doubling the frequency that it needs to be emptied.
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