Thread Number: 38068
/ Tag: Recent Vacuum Cleaners from past 20 years
Kirby Sentria II vs Miele Canister |
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Post# 405634 , Reply# 1   2/18/2019 at 12:03 (1,886 days old) by robsmith1977 (Shippensburg, Pennsylvania)   |   | |
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I dont have CFM ratings for you, but my guess on this would be to ditch the kirby and keep the Miele. The Miele should have a power nozzle with it? I believe you can purchase activated charcoal filters or bags for the Miele which will greatly reduce or eliminate the pet hair odor while you're using it. I have never heard anyone say that they DIDN'T like the Miele's cleaning abilities. Also, I wanted to mention from my own personal experience that as long as you have pets in the house, you will have odor coming from your vacuum cleaner unless you're willing to use something like a Rainbow or something similar that uses water as a filter.
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Post# 405635 , Reply# 2   2/18/2019 at 12:06 (1,886 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Hello Brandon, Yes the Kirby Sentria far exceeds the Miele's ability at carpet cleaning. You already know that the Sentria does a fantastic job of containing pet odors with the charcoal bags.
You can get a complete hose with all attachments for your Kirby on ebay, however many Kirby owners like myself have found that changing the Kirby over from carpet cleaning to hose cleaning mode to be somewhat cumbersome, so we also keep a small canister vacuum around to use for above the floor cleaning with the hose. I use the very small Eureka Mighty Mite canister for hard floor and above floor cleaning.
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Post# 405646 , Reply# 4   2/18/2019 at 16:43 (1,886 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)   |   | |
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When it comes to pure carpet cleaning power the Kirby is the better of the two machines looking at vaclab's tests he's gotten 137 nozzle CFM from his Sentria II.
I've recently gotten a Sentria II myself but haven't done the measurements. I've tested a few Miele canisters and so has vaclab My measurements: Miele C3 cat and dog (charcoal filter): 64.73 nozzle CFM Miele C3 Brilliant: 67.31 Nozzle CFM Vaclab's measurements: Miele Solaris w/ SEB217: 80.15 (brushroll on) Miele Calypso: 69.35 CFM (brushroll on) |
Post# 405661 , Reply# 7   2/18/2019 at 22:12 (1,886 days old) by rivstg1 (colorado springs)   |   | |
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Interesting question you pose....well, I have both machines as well so I think I can offer something here. The Kirby most DEFINITELY will out pull(air) the MIele, on carpet or hard floor....and, its much more versatile ( carpet, hard floor , blower, shampooer etc) and weighs the same as the Miele. The Miele is much quieter and has variable speeds for different situations and I believe is cleaner in its emissions than even the Kirby with a Hepa ( i have seen the particle counter at zero on the Kirby though). Downsides of Miele? its bags/filters are more expensive than Kirby...especially for how small the bags are, and if there are repairs to be made, the Miele will cost more ( the hose can cost $129 for Miele, $39 for the Kirby), but Kirby will require occasional belt changes .....its a upright vs canister style comparison for you to decide. I do enjoy using the Miele for above floor cleaning.....till I gave it to my Mother, I don't find the Kirby THAT much of a hassle to change over from upright to canister mode, but it is more involved than the Miele. If you don't already have a powered power nozzle for the Miele, factor in that cost since that is needed to even come close to the carpet cleaning ability of the Kirby. Hope that helps.
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Post# 405665 , Reply# 8   2/18/2019 at 23:59 (1,886 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio)   |   | |
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Dyson DC25 Slo Mo Extreme Edge Cleaning
Kirby Sentria 2 Slo Mo Extreme Edge Cleaning With Bonus Sand The Dyson DC25 sand pickup was the worst in my sand pickup test (12%) The Kirby Sentria 2 was very good, even using a paper bag (58%) Dyson DC25 nozzle airflow = 57 CFM, agitation is very poor. Kirby Sentria 2 nozzle airflow = 137 CFM, agitation is medium high. My 2012 Miele Callisto nozzle airflow tests at 69.3 CFM. If you have a pile flow through carpet, high airflow plus reasonable agitation works best. Low CFM bagless machines simply won't cut it. Bill |
Post# 405669 , Reply# 10   2/19/2019 at 02:53 (1,886 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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You seem and come across as a Hippocrates. You bring up vaclabs quotes and mock them. You follow a tangent on what you believe is superior and blow alot more hot air trying to sound articulate and educated.
You said everyone is entitled to their opinion and bash vaclabs for his opinion. The Kirby will beat a Dyson. It has anywhere from 20-50 cfm more than Dyson. So before you blow all this hot air and call other people out and then turn around and cut down others opinions with your beliefs Stop chasing your tail. Seriously if you want credibility don't cast stones when you live in a glass house. Don't mock people's opinions and right after pull out your self righteous horn promoting your ideals. If you like to blow hot air go for a hot air balloon ride. If not sit down you backseat hippocricyal fool. Save your hot air don't respond. Truth is I didn't read your whole post. Say what you want but nobody is going to ready it. Les |
Post# 405677 , Reply# 12   2/19/2019 at 10:08 (1,886 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio)   |   | |
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I have no idea how any vacuum performs on berber carpet, which you neglected to mention until reply #9, which would have been helpful.
Since I am a scientist, degreed Mathematician and computer programmer (application packager/scripter), I run my channel tests in very strict manner. And I rebuild all of my machines when necessary. I don't really like testimonials, I'd rather see proper measurements. Want to see a Kirby lose to a $25 Bissell? And then win again? It would be highly desirable to know the following things rather than just claim vacuum "A" is better than vacuum "B". 1) make and model 2) brushroll type 3) carpet/backing type Your first claim didn't have any of this info and is very disturbing. Is the homeowner aware that Kirby makes many different brushrolls? I have over 460 videos mostly categorized in playlists, so take a peek at what interests you. And just an FYI. Airflow is what picks up DRY particulate and moves it into a receptacle, not suction. Airflow along with the appropriate agitation is what cleans. CFM is cubic feet per minute, or you could say a volume of air (with dirt contained therein) moving at a particular speed. Suction only attempts to keep the air mass flowing when doing work (cyclones, long hoses, etc.) Bill |
Post# 405678 , Reply# 13   2/19/2019 at 10:36 (1,886 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)   |   | |
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Post# 405680 , Reply# 14   2/19/2019 at 10:59 (1,886 days old) by Mike811 (Finland)   |   | |
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Post# 405683 , Reply# 15   2/19/2019 at 11:50 (1,885 days old) by got2bjennyg (Brunswick, Ohio, USA)   |   | |
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Since we are tossing out anecdotal accounts-
I always thought Kirby's were overpriced, overrated, overweight machines. I watched VacLab's youtube channel and was intrigued enough to pick up a second hand Kirby Avalir. While I still think that new kirby's are overpriced, I'm blown away by how well it cleans carpet AND hard floors. I'm a petite grandmother in her mid 50's with stairs in the house. I find the Kirby no more difficult to carry up & down the stairs than my 16 lb Sanitaire. I just use the lower handle on the Kirby- easy-peasy. The Avalir is super easy to push (my carpal tunnel syndrome appreciates that), and I do not find switching over to using the hose anymore cumbersome than going and getting a different vacuum out of the closet. The Kirby is now essentially the only vacuum I use. I regret not getting a Kirby long ago. |
Post# 405692 , Reply# 16   2/19/2019 at 17:25 (1,885 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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This is a very dangerous subject on vacuum land .
I don't feel anybody's going be willing to provide mutch information. Think you'll find the general concessions on vacuumland is that Kirby's are best vacuum. Everybody is carpet situation is different so you have to bring that into account. But in my testing I have found that most bypass vacuums out clean Kirby's. Now there will be 15 replies saying I am wrong. But this is what year working with vacuum has taught me. You'll find a working vacuum gauge it's a good way to sell things. You need CFM as much as you need water lift is most cases. This was my own personal test in my house. My personal conclusion is I would rather have a central vac. My next choice would be some other canister vacuums,before I would choose any dirty air machine. That being said a Kirby belongs and every vacuum cleaner collectors collection! What the flame war are Begin. 🤣😂 |
Post# 405703 , Reply# 18   2/19/2019 at 21:51 (1,885 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio)   |   | |
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Post# 405716 , Reply# 19   2/20/2019 at 07:23 (1,885 days old) by got2bjennyg (Brunswick, Ohio, USA)   |   | |
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@kirbybb
I have 3 dogs at this time and a toddler granddaughter that visits several times a week. I do have some older carpet, but last year, we had new carpet installed on the staircase to the second floor, hallway and master bedroom. The newer carpet is Shaw Lifeguard carpet. It has the waterproof backing. I would never install it on a slab or concrete floor, but I absolutely love it for cleaning up kiddie and doggie messes. HOWEVER- it's not easy to vacuum. Any vacuum with any amount of suction/airflow, even when adjusted to the proper height becomes very hard to push. If I raise the height, the carpet isn't getting as clean as it should. If the vacuum has a floating head, it can become virtually "glued" to the floor. The tech drive on the Kirby works perfectly and solves this problem 100%. I HIGHLY recommend the Shaw Lifeguard waterproof carpet for homes with kids and pets, just be aware of the potential issues with vacuuming. The Mohawk Lifeproof carpets at Home Depot have similar issues when you get into the thicker/ plusher varieties. I have found that the scientific approach that Bill from Vaclab uses actually applies real life- at least it has for me. CLICK HERE TO GO TO got2bjennyg's LINK |
Post# 405726 , Reply# 20   2/20/2019 at 15:55 (1,884 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )   |   | |
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@vaclab The older Miele S5 unit uses a different motor than the s8 platform and the c3 platform has two different motors. The chamber design of the bag is much improved in the s8/c3 body style.
I was personally at the s8 dealer launch . The nice German engineer lady explained all the differences. But those are the main ones between the s8 and the older S5. |
Post# 405728 , Reply# 21   2/20/2019 at 16:41 (1,884 days old) by Air-WayCharlie (USA)   |   | |
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Another I don't think was mentioned here was the type of power nozzle used. The 236, (or current version), IMO, is far superior to the smaller one. I owned a Champagne some years ago and it came with the 236. That combination was quite a cleaning machine. I bought the smaller less powerful nozzle and was very disappointed in the performance.
I own 5 Kirbys at last count and with any vacuum cleaner there are always pros and cons. They all do the same thing: pick up dirt. It seems to always come down to what your personal preferences are. Most vac buyers are not interested in measurements, numbers, videos, CFMs, etc.--but we collectors and enthusiasts are. For the, "average", purchaser it is COST and COMFORT. That is why I have, well, lets say about 25 at the moment!! This post was last edited 02/20/2019 at 19:43 |
Post# 405741 , Reply# 22   2/20/2019 at 23:17 (1,884 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Wow I read your post. You make a point and back track over every statement you make. I have a great vacuum but it the right circumstance every vacuum fails.
I see no point in defending someone who back doors every statement you make. I believe any vacuum can suck. It's a vacuum it's what it does. So keep up your argument. It's great. I found your points almost as valid as your back pedals. Les Don't respond I'm not backtracking on that I just don't wish to waste either of any of our times. Les |
Post# 405789 , Reply# 23   2/22/2019 at 08:24 (1,883 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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