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Post# 404968   2/2/2019 at 15:12 (426 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        

Good afternoon everyone. It's been a few years since I've posted anything, but last time I was pleased that I upgraded my Central Vacuum system (That came with this 1975 home). Originally, it had a Nutone Central Vacuum with no model... someone said it was called 350. I got it working, bought some hoses and tools, and used it for about 10 years until the motor's bearings were making noise.

I replaced the motor with an Imperium CV300 power unit... and it had much more gusto with less noise. The original installation had NO electricity anywhere near the inlets, so I did all the work with "turbo" tools, and that was OK with me... but eventually I knew I could do better... and THAT'S WHERE THIS STORY BEGINS.

The home is 1.5 stories, with a full basement. The CV had inlets for the first and second floor, but NONE for the basement. There was ZERO electric at the inlets... so I fixed that. I added 120V outlets next to all inlets. Next, I added two utility style inlets in the basement. (not really a finished basement..but it has flooring). I also replaced the original inlet covers with a more modern version supporting the On/Off hose.

I'm finally happy with things, and I don't know if there's really ANY way to make this system better, or any tools that would really rock the vacuum world. I'm going to list my tools with pictures, and anyone who has any suggestions on making it even more efficient. As it is, the motor is SO powerful, there's NEVER been a clog. If it makes it in the hose, it makes it all the way to the canister... (with the exception of something like a pen that couldn't flex past the inlet.
I've got 3 hoses (in different areas, and the usual stuff like crevice tools and dust brushes are left off the list.

1. Imperium CV300 Power Unit
2. Centec Electric Hose (pigtail)
3. PN33 Power Nozzle (Allegro, JohnnyVac, Galaxy, Butler's Choice)
4. Turbocat "classic"
5. Nutone Turbo brush
6. Nutone floor and rug tool
7. Turbo Hoses
8. Adjustable length wands
9. Microfiber dust mop
10. StairPro Mini brush (electric)

Is there anything I'm missing that would make the world a better place? I've sold off pretty much every other vacuum I've owned at this point, as they can only really take up space against this beast. Owning a central vacuum is like having a hot rod... you just want to keep making it more and more and more super powered.

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Post# 405007 , Reply# 1   2/3/2019 at 09:30 (426 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
nice set up

It sounds like you have a great central vac. I'm not familiar with that power nozzle but it may also be sold under a more familiar name, an electric nozzle will always clean better than a turbo nozzle.
The Imperium CV300 is a great unit, it uses an Ametek Lamb motor with 740 air watts, 138 airflow and 138 water lift. It's a flow through motor rather than a bypass, some say that the flow through motors are not as good and do not last as long but that is up for debate. I have a unit that uses the same motor, the Vacumaid garage vac pro, I use all of my central vacuum units without pipes, very powerful.

Post# 405017 , Reply# 2   2/3/2019 at 15:44 (425 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        

I saw another thread about the PN33 nozzle being a prototype for a hoover, and then that hoover canister not being made. The name on the bottom sticker just says "intertek" and has the model number of PN33. I listed many of the other name badges it sells as... there's more. It's got a dirt sensor feature, which is kind of cool, but yet I can still hear particles going up the hose, even after the sensor says it's good to go. I've been using it LOTS lately.

For me, Central vacuum solves all the things I don't like about vacuuming.
1. Loud Noise (not very loud)
2. Dirty Smell (that goes outside)
3. Running out of cord (I can do three to four rooms from a given inlet)
Plus, it's easy to maneuver... and it does a great job. Thus, I use it almost every day.

Post# 405023 , Reply# 3   2/3/2019 at 18:22 (425 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
power nozzle

Does this power nozzle have a cord on it or just a connector for the wand? I think I may know which nozzle you are talking about, I've seen it called the galaxie on the think vacuums web site.

Post# 405043 , Reply# 4   2/4/2019 at 00:45 (425 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

For central vacuum fans-don't overlook the Volt cordless powernozzle-don't let its being cordless fool you-its more powerful than most plug in powernozzles and has a booster fan.

Post# 405058 , Reply# 5   2/4/2019 at 11:47 (424 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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Welcome to the Central Vacuum club!

There's always room for expansion with these things. You can never have too many power heads or hoses.

Post# 405067 , Reply# 6   2/4/2019 at 14:06 (424 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
My Friend, Greg, is trying (might succeed)

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in getting me to install a central system in my house. It's a 12-room, 140 yr old home. Of course, HOOVER abounds here. I keep telling him I'd need the Hoover, lolo. He'll measure a few things more. Then, we can discuss again and again.
Stay tuned

Post# 405073 , Reply# 7   2/4/2019 at 16:35 (424 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        

The observers are correct. ThinkVacuums sells this nozzle as "Champion" and it also sells with the name Galaxy printed on it.

The electric power is integrated into the wand, as you have no visible cord. The wand to this powerhead is "Special" but it fits a standard Centec hose. In my case it's the Allegro hose, as that's who I bought it from. (allegro's hose is just like a centec)

I tried to list all the names that the PN33/PN22 nozzle sells under... I guess I missed a few. I settled on it, as it seemed like the best value. I have nothing bad to say about it, as it's done everything I wanted it to. I imagine that it'd be great for pet hair, as my Turbocat had to be "unwound" from my Wife's hair... I've not had ANY hair wind up on this brush. You can feel a good amount of agitation from it working, and it's noise level is modest.

The only "flaw" I found was on day one of using it, the dirt sensor got stuck on red.... turns out a small piece of fluff was covering the sensor. The nozzle has never clogged. There's a trap door on the bottom for clearing blockages around the dirt sensor. The volume level is such, that I can hear the dirt in the hose to a higher sensitivity than the sensor can "find" it. Sometimes it goes red for a split second, and I hear the object tick through the hose. I guess I haven't enough of a messy carpet to make it stay red for more than a brief second. (other than on day 1).

With this rig as it is, I find that I'm vacuuming around the house much more often, because it's an enjoyable experience, rather than a chore.

I also considered the Wessel-Werk 360, (I've used one on a Miele)... but I actually like the PN33 better in some ways. The wand/neck is very stout, more-so than most of the "build your own wand" rigs that we get to do. Other power nozzles like Lindhaus and Sebo were under consideration too, but I could find ZERO bad press on the PN33, so I rolled the dice and got a winner.

I was thinking about the Centec CT10, for the non-carpet floors, but I don't know if that'd be overkill.... since my existing tools work fine, and the messes on the hard floors are mostly bird seed and feathers... not hard to vacuum those.

I was thinking of making a YouTube video about Central Vacuum stuff, and some of my opinions on what works better than others... it would of course be Opinion heavy, but if it's presented as that, so be it.

The original pipe work was obviously installed by someone who does water plumbing, because it's setup to "all roll downhill". This has been great, and there has NEVER been a pipe clog in 11 years of using it. (2 with the Imperium Motor, and 8 with the 70's Nutone motor).

Post# 405142 , Reply# 8   2/6/2019 at 14:51 (422 days old) by Ocscott3085 (DMV)        

It sounds like you have a pretty good set up for your system. I haven't tried that particular powerhead but I have the following powerheads -
1) Wessel Werk EBK 360 in white (Vacuflo's version)

2) Volt powerhead for when I use the hide a hose outlet rather than the standard outlets.

3) Turbocat and a Nutone 598 powerhead. Both haven't seen use since I purchased the Volt for use with my HAH.

If you can find a way to retrofit an outlet, I find the hide a hose the most often used part of my central vac system. Makes cleaning so quick and easy. I'm not a huge fan of the Volt powerhead but I'm the only person I've encountered who doesn't rave about the Volt. To me, the Wessel Werk does a much better job on my rugs and carpeting despite not having a fan like the Volt.

Post# 405145 , Reply# 9   2/6/2019 at 15:44 (422 days old) by dysonman1 (Rolla, MO)        

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I have a Vacuflo central vacuum made in 1984. I have both the hide-a-hose 60 foot run, as well as three Electra-valves (120 volts for power nozzle) so there's no pigtail cord. I use the awesome Volt cordless with my Hide-a-Hose and the Riccar sensor Power Nozzle and 35 foot electric hose with the Electra-valves.

You should consider getting a Vroom. I can't tell you how much help it is in the kitchen. Also, a Wally Flex in the laundry room and over your workbench in the garage.

The Vroom was the best money I ever spent on my Central Vac. The Vac Pan was the worst investment, as I never use it with the Vroom handy.

Post# 405147 , Reply# 10   2/6/2019 at 16:17 (422 days old) by Ocscott3085 (DMV)        

I have to agree with Tom on the vacpans. They are SO loud when you turn them on that I avoid using them. My partner will use them here and there but I've never been a fan of sweeping. I'd love to add a WallyFlex to my laundry room but not sure how to do that without really tearing up my walls. I only have HAH on the main level of my house but the laundry room is upstairs with all the bedrooms. I think it would be very handy for cleaning the lint trap in the dryer as well as emptying out the Neato Botvac and Dyson cordless.

Post# 405159 , Reply# 11   2/6/2019 at 20:00 (422 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
ct10 and a few other things

For hard floors, the Centec CT10 is awesome, it will clean better than any floor brush. If you want one, I would get it now, unless something has changed, I was told by Centec that they bought Panasonic's remaining inventory when they left the vacuum market and once they are gone they will be a part of vacuum history. I have several power nozzles, you can take a look at my profile to see them all.
The Volt is an awesome nozzle, both for central vacuums and straight suction canisters. Centec also sells a battery power nozzle that's very similar to the nozzles that Electrolux makes.

Post# 405160 , Reply# 12   2/6/2019 at 20:18 (422 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        

I can say for sure that I DON'T want a vac pan... since I never use a broom in the kitchen. I usually vacuum it daily, and mop it 1-2 times a week.

Thanks for the heads up on the Centec... I'll look for a deal.

Today a (gently) used Lindhaus PB14 /w/ wands showed up for sale, so I snagged it.... we'll see how it stands up against the PN33. The Lindhaus heads don't look like they "steer" where the PN33 does... but at the price I got it for, it's a good purchase. We shall see how it compares when it gets here.

Post# 405200 , Reply# 13   2/7/2019 at 16:31 (421 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
Lindhaus power nozzle

The Lindhaus power nozzle is really good, if you want to expand your power head collection you might also consider getting the Sebo power head.

Post# 405230 , Reply# 14   2/7/2019 at 20:16 (421 days old) by ridgidwd0670 (se wood co ohio)        

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Does the Stair Pro have a geared belt like the Lux SideKick & early Kenmore PowerMate Jr or flat belt like the later Kenmore PowerMate Junior?  How good does the Stair Pro work?

Post# 405232 , Reply# 15   2/7/2019 at 20:38 (421 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        

I would like a Sebo power nozzle for fun, but the price keeps me away for now. The PN33 works extremely well, and the Lindhaus came up for less than 100$ with wands.. so I snagged it. If a good Sebo shows up for that kind of price, I'll grab it.

Stair Pro has a cog belt. I've found it to work very well, and I've been unable to stop the brush...the motor has LOTS of torque. The "mouth" of it is fixed, so it's a simple device. I've used it on the steps, the sofa, the chairs, the carpet for small zones, and even on my coat to get the sawdust off of it. Considering that it costs half of what Wessel-Werk's mini brush does, I'd say it's a big winner. I had a "rainbowmate" that was the same style of tool.. and that had much less torque, and weaker bristles. The #1 fault of the Stair Pro is the noise, as it has a bit of a whine to it, like a turbo brush... but it's certainly not THAT loud.

Post# 405327 , Reply# 16   2/10/2019 at 10:17 (419 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
geared belt to flat belt?

Interesting that the Kenmore power mate junior has a geared belt and then switched to a flat belt, that seems like a step backwards. I haven't tried the stair pro, for a mini power nozzle I use the Wessel-Werk HEB160 and it's awesome. It pretty much works with any standard electric hose since it has a short cord with a mini plug on it. I use it with my central vacs and my canisters that have electric hoses.

Post# 405329 , Reply# 17   2/10/2019 at 13:37 (418 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        

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It does swivel but it's swivel is a little differently designed. I've got a PB14 and I like it. it's quiet, has a lot of height adjustments and despite having a single row of brushes it's a very good cleaner. I think I put a tablespoon of flour under each end which was a little excessive. made 3 passes then pulled up the rug to see what remained. Both machines were connected to my Henry to eliminate the variable of the machine's airflow/suction.

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Post# 405359 , Reply# 18   2/11/2019 at 17:45 (417 days old) by mmcphee (Lisbon Falls, Maine)        

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For anyone thinking of adding Wallyflex, just remove a standard inlet and mount the wallyflex as they use normal inlet backing plates. Yes, it will be low to the floor but it's better than nothing.

Post# 405445 , Reply# 19   2/13/2019 at 19:01 (415 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        
Lindhaus Vs. PN33.......and the Stair Pro

I got the Lindhaus PB14 a week ago, and I've got to take it for a spin a few times. I like it.

Since nobody seems to have every heard of the PN33 power nozzle, I figure I'd shed some more light on it. It seems to have a few part numbers/model numbers, and shows up all over the place.
Power Nozzle PN33 and Power Brush PB22 I've seen it bundled in kits from Canavac, Husky, ThinkVacuums, Galaxy, Oreck, and Hoover. It's put with canister vacs too. If you do an image search for PN33 or PB22, you'll find a ton of them out there with every name under the sun claimed.

The PN33's best features
1. Tight Steering
2. Custom wand with length adjust and non-visible 120v wire.
3. Dirt finder/sensor
4. foot pedal height adjust (works like a Miele or Wessel-Werk
5. Sturdy weight, so it's not riding on top of tight carpet.
6. Low Noise

PN33's flaws
1. Digs in deeper on the back-stroke
2. A big clingy, and can actually lift carpets with a monster CV powering it.
3. The dirt finder has to be brushed off routinely.
4. Blind spot where the belt drives the brush roll

So... How does it compare to the Lindhaus PB14?

Good things about the Lindhaus PB14
1. Low noise, and moderately soft brush doesn't rough up the carpet too bad.
2. High speed brush leaves things looking very nice.
3. Easy to push, with moderate weight, and brush roll propulsion.
4. No blind spots
5. Air vents prevent it from binding to the carpet.
6. Even pressure on both forward and back stokes.
7. Super low profile gets under stuff.

Flaws of the Lindhaus PB14.
1. The lightweight leaves it riding on top of very tight pile carpet. (the red light doesn't turn on for ANY of my carpets except one when the brush head is not in motion.)
2. limited steering capability
3. Wands/pipes are generic.
4. Adjustments to height are inconvenient.

So, now that I've said all of that, I like both brushes for different reasons. I think they both do a very good job... for the lower pile carpets, I like the way the lindhaus handles it, but on the deeper stuff, the PN33 has been finding and removing more dirt from the deeper carpet every time I run it. My home has some pretty vintage carpets, that are still in OK shape.. the one carpet I swear I get more and more from it every time I run the PN33 on it (you can hear it pinging in the hose).. where I DON'T hear that with the lindhaus. I've been sweeping it every other day, alternating power heads.

I find that the lindhaus excels on the lower pile carpets, leaving it looking smoother when finished... whereas the PN33 appears to be working a bit deeper in the thicker carpet.

IF I would have bought the Lindhaus at full retail price, I would have been bummed out, because Lindhaus and Sebo powerheads are "supposed" to be the greatest ever made... However the PN33 is extremely good and is priced at HALF of the Lindhaus when you consider the wands.

In the long term, It's obvious that the Lindhaus is built like a tank... but PN33 is not a slouch in the build quality, with most vendors putting a 5 year warranty on it.

The only thing I CAN'T comment on is pet hair, since I don't have any shedding animals around here... but I did wind up a good share of my Wife's hair in the Turbocat... I have NEVER had to remove ANY hair from either of these power brushes.

Mind you, I'm not 100% certain of it, but I imagine the high suction of the central vac may help prevent hair wind-up.

Before getting the StairPro, I considered the Wessel Werk mini head, but the price, and the working angle made it less appealing to the stair pro. Having seen videos on the WW mini head, I know it's less noise than the StairPro...which is a bit on the noisy side. The only other thing I fault the StairPro for is the 1/2in blind spots on the edges of the brush roll.

Post# 405509 , Reply# 20   2/16/2019 at 10:10 (413 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        

I wonder who actually makes the PN33? I actually prefer Lindhaus's approach to wands, they are generic and the cord is external. Granted, it's an extra step to connect and disconnect the cord but this is actually more flexible. When the cord is part of the wand, it must be matched to the type of hose you are using. When the cord is external it will work with any hose that has a standard outlet. For my Centec nozzles, the cord is not part of the nozzle but I was able to get a corded wand that has an external cord that will plug in to my central vacuum and canister electric hoses. Sebo makes an adapter for their power nozzles that does something similar. The wand for the Wessel-Werk EBK360 has the cord attached to it, but the coiled cord can actually be removed from the wand and used separately.

Post# 405511 , Reply# 21   2/16/2019 at 11:27 (413 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        

Believe the PN33 is probably built by some Chinese parts source company similar to the nozzle that has a VGIII and geared belt in it. It's been around for multiple years, but has started to gain in popularity as of late. We have a Cirrus canister available to order now that uses this nozzle, and it's actually very impressive for its low price.

I believe years ago there was someone on the forum or YT that got a fairly early variant. From what I remember the rumor was it was supposed to be the next generation of Windtunnel PNs for Hoovers canister line and central vacs but was scrapped. And in a way I can see it, as it looks very much like an update to the classic WT PN that we saw for years on the Futura based WT canister.

Post# 405512 , Reply# 22   2/16/2019 at 13:49 (412 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
champion and spirit power nozzles

I think one of these might be the pn33, although if it's the one I think it is, it uses a flat belt rather than a geared belt. These are from the think vacuums web site, this first one is called the champion.
They also have another one that they are calling the Deluxe Spirit, this one sounds very similar to the Dustcare PB11 although I think it may have a more powerful motor.

Post# 405517 , Reply# 23   2/16/2019 at 15:10 (412 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        

You've got it exactly, the first you linked is the PN33 it does use a flat belt unfortunately. The second is indeed like the PB11. For it's price increase I would hope it has a better motor, that was always a weak spot of the PB11 from what I remember people saying.

Post# 405519 , Reply# 24   2/16/2019 at 15:16 (412 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        

Should add as well, not much point to buy the PN33 unless it's coming with a kit that's a good deal... For $250 you can get better options, or for $29 more you can get the Cirrus canister that comes with the PN33...

Post# 405570 , Reply# 25   2/17/2019 at 08:42 (412 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
cirrus canister

Are the cirrus canisters any good? I love canisters, whether central vacuum, backpack or pull around, I don't prefer uprights.
The Spirit nozzle supposedly uses a 225 watt motor, I'm not sure what the Dustcare nozzle uses, I have the Dustcare nozzle, it's what came with my Metropolitan canister. The think vacuums web site definitely thinks the Sebo power nozzles are the best, they are indeed very good, I have the ET2 along with the central vacuum adapter.

Post# 405573 , Reply# 26   2/17/2019 at 09:03 (412 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
is this the Cirrus canister you are thinking of

Found this on the e vacuum store web site, I might get it if it's a decent machine.


Post# 405593 , Reply# 27   2/17/2019 at 14:55 (411 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        

ThinkVacuum's "Champion" is the PN33 indeed. They are one of the highest priced vendors of it too. Normally PN33+Wand sells for about $150

I know everyone seems to hate flat belts... but if it's any consolation, I've not had any issues with it slipping and getting a flat spot. That power head has plenty of torque.

The name on the sticker at the bottom says "Intertek" so I'm guessing that's who actually makes it. I bought mine in a package from Allegro. They sold the PN33+Wand+35ft electric pigtail hose for $235 shipped on their ebay store. If you hunt around for it without the hose, it can be had for >$150.

Brush Roll, Belts and replacement motor are all for sale fairly cheaply... and Tip Top parts seems to have most of them if they are ever needed.

Although I don't consider the PN33 to be the greatest power nozzle of all time, I do think it's the best in the price range. I tried to do a boat load of reading before I ordered the electric rig (since the CV was all turbo before).

Post# 405601 , Reply# 28   2/17/2019 at 17:04 (411 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
another nozzle that uses a flat belt

Another power nozzle that uses a flat belt but does clean really well is the Eureka Express, I think it's also sold as the Beam Rug Master, again, not the best power nozzle available but it does clean well. It also uses a flat belt.

Post# 405631 , Reply# 29   2/18/2019 at 11:45 (410 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        

My reason to "Flaw" the Flat belt on PN33, is that it creates a blind spot on the cleaning path. PN33 does have a great feature set and is easy to use... I can see why it's showed up with so many vacuums. The PN33 price/function ratio is great... making it both good, and affordable.

Post# 405679 , Reply# 30   2/19/2019 at 10:58 (410 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        

That's exactly the Cirrus canister.

I like it, we haven't had it long so we'll have to wait and see for reliability. However it comes with a 5 year warranty, parts are all incredibly affordable, it's quiet, powerful, and relatively easy to maneuver. Only real complaints I have are the on board attachments aren't that great and it doesn't come with a barefloor tool. Outside that it is on the larger side, fairly comparable to a Miele S8/C3 but a bit wider. But it does have four swivel casters to help make up for that.

All in the best way I can describe it is it's the first new canister I've used in a long time that didn't immediately make me wish I was using a Miele instead.

Post# 405682 , Reply# 31   2/19/2019 at 11:42 (409 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
hose end

On the Cirrus canister, is the hose end standard? What about the electric plug on the hose, would other power nozzles fit it as well or is the plug nonstandard?

Post# 405704 , Reply# 32   2/19/2019 at 22:16 (409 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        

It appears that that Cirrus has the same PN33 Wand system... so that would make the hose a standard flush-mount CV style handle.

Post# 405912 , Reply# 33   2/24/2019 at 03:07 (405 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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My Riccar RPU-C10 and the current attachment deal...

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Post# 406003 , Reply# 34   2/25/2019 at 22:40 (403 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        

Cool. Do you have a favorite hard floor brush? I'm got several types, and I'm nut sure which one I like best. One is a Nutone Floor tool with wheels on the back, and brush on/off. One is horsehair and the brush has no wheels. Recently I got one of the horsehair ones with wheels. I'm finding I like the wheeled one, but it doesn't always stay in a straight line.

Post# 406019 , Reply# 35   2/26/2019 at 08:42 (403 days old) by ridgidwd0670 (se wood co ohio)        

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Aerus/Electrolux or Compact/TriStar floor brush

Post# 406022 , Reply# 36   2/26/2019 at 13:48 (402 days old) by compactc9guy (Bathurst NB)        

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Cant beat a Compact or Lux floor tool i agree.

Post# 406023 , Reply# 37   2/26/2019 at 13:59 (402 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Floor brush

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The wessel werk turn and clean D330 While I don't care for the giant version the about 12" version does a great job with stronger machines and it's maneuverability is great!

Wessel Werk HFT 265, a turbine-less turbo tool it's neat to have a tool with agitation

Lindhaus Wheeled floor tool. This is kind of an odd one it had 1 row of bristles and one squeegee but it's always been one of my favorites it glides over hard floor easily, it's edge cleaning is great and it can do low pile carpeting or rugs.

Post# 406044 , Reply# 38   2/27/2019 at 08:33 (402 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        

I have a floor brush that sometimes sells as Electrolux, or as generic... Which model are you all referencing? The picture is the style I have /w/ wheels.

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Post# 406051 , Reply# 39   2/27/2019 at 14:40 (401 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
hard floor tools

Most of my apartment is hard floors so I'm a big fan of hard floor tools. Here are the ones I like, in no particular order. I agree that the Wessel-werk turn and clean, d330 is very good, it's one of my favorites. I think this is the same tool that is known as the Miele twister. The Wessel-Werk hft265 is also interesting, it has a soft brush that spins but it does not have a turbine. There's also the Wessel-Werk RD285, this tool has no brushes, it has large wheels in the back and has two squeegies. If you want something electric, the Centec CT10 is awesome, it's great at vacuuming and polishing hard floors. Finally there is the sidewinder hard floor tool, this one allows you to clean a lot faster because you can swing the nozzle from side to side as you walk around rather than going back and forth. The sidewinder and the d330 are probably the best at cleaning hard floor stairs.

Post# 406075 , Reply# 40   2/27/2019 at 22:43 (401 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        

The one thing I love/hate about the central vacuum business, is that the SAME tool sells under 9 names with different price tags. I've configured my system to use the standard 1.25" tools, and that's been OK for me...having the widest selection that way. The "generic" nature of CV stuff keeps the door open to create my own breed of vacuum, rather than being stuck with whatever Brand X wants to sell me.

All you have to do is have a look at a big CV vendor's website, and you'll see the exact same tools named Nutone, Imperium, Electrolux, etc. Same goes for hoses.. Same thing, many names... only precious few companies have a proprietary hose (which I'd prefer to NOT have).

Even powerheads are like this... lots of names for the same thing. Heck, the classic Lindhaus PN12e and PN14e are sold as Imperium, MD, and others as well as with the Lindhaus name on them.

There's actually some really good deals to be had on Ebay with the tools having no name. I can't find any differences from the branded ones.

Post# 406098 , Reply# 41   2/28/2019 at 16:47 (400 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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So far Iím happy with the Vacuflo one that came with the tool kit, but I also love the Compact and Electrolux ones as well as Wessel-Werkís offerings. My favorite of all is the one with plastic squeegees instead of bristles, per hair and lint canít get caught up on them!

Post# 406120 , Reply# 42   2/28/2019 at 23:03 (400 days old) by vexorgtr (Sheffield, Ohio)        

I've got the generic version of the Miele Twister on order... since I'm getting a short stretch hose for one specific area of the house.

Living here, there's only people... and some finches, so no pet hair. Daily I have to sweep up seeds and a few feathers... as well as cereal bits and what not that end up on the floor. I've not had much get tangled up in the horsehair brushes, other than a few dust bunnies that will vacuum right off.

My wife calls me a "crumb nazi"... but considering the furnace filters only need changed every 3 months, I'd say I keep the dirt levels low around here.

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