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Post# 402523   12/13/2018 at 14:53 (189 days old) by Phaeton (Los Angeles )        

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I have had this fan for years and years with some old vacuum parts. I believe it may be an early Kirby fan. I sort of looks like I may have written C2 on it.
I have never worked on anything older than a Kirby 509 that I recall. It looks Kirby like and it is possible that it was not manufactured by Kirby but is a replacement fan from another manufacturer.



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Post# 402525 , Reply# 1   12/13/2018 at 15:12 (189 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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Kirby's metal fans shafts don't come off. It looks like a royal vacuum metal fan.


Post# 402533 , Reply# 2   12/13/2018 at 18:57 (188 days old) by Phaeton (Los Angeles )        

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I might be a bit thick headed, but I do not understand what you mean Les. I the previous picture I had some old Royal front bearing plates that are going in the trash.
I know the new style the belt pulley is what keeps the fan blade in place but on the pictured used D80 fan and pulley look similar in design with a similar hole in the belt pulley. I do not remember the belt pulley separating from the original fan on older Kirby vacuums. I never rebuilt that many Kirby vacuums back in the day, so if I am wrong I apologize.


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Post# 402535 , Reply# 3   12/13/2018 at 21:00 (188 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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It doesn't
Kirby's 6 blade and 10 blade fans have the spindle where the belt spins.
Kirby's metal fans and spindles are 1 solid piece. Royal vacuums spindle is threaded onto the fan. If you look at your original post picture 4 the spindle is off.
On your reply post amodel Kirby 10 blade Kirby metal and a royal fan. Look at the Kirby 10 blade the back side has that spacer. The six blade has it too. Royal fans have a flat back. The Kirby 6 blade would have a spacer and be almost identical to the d80 fan on the back.
Kirby fan backs are not flat. Royal fans are flat.
Look at the back of the white Kirby fan. It has a rounded design. Identical to the 10 blade.
Les


Post# 402563 , Reply# 4   12/14/2018 at 11:11 (188 days old) by Phaeton (Los Angeles )        

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Oh, sorry to say none of the pictured fans with spindles/belt pulley are from a Royal vacuum but I have now pictured one. I will say I have no idea if the newer Royal fan attach the same way as the one pictured. Early Royal vacuums that have a revolving brush with the belt going around the spindle/belt pulley, the belt pulley did not screw into the but fan screws onto the end of the motor shaft and the spindle/belt pulley then screws onto the end of the motor shaft that is protruding threw the fan. As for the Kirby Kevlar fan more or less is attached in a similar way a Hoover Convertible fan is. The Kevlar fan will slip over the motor shaft with the bearing spacer going in the motor shaft first behind the fan and then the spindle/belt pulley is screwed on firmly. There are no threads in the Kevlar fan. All this being said the original Kirby fan is aluminum and the spindle/belt pulley is steel and can be knocked off the fan as pictured. The spindle has small teeth and is pressed onto the fan to assure the fan will not come loose and spin freely on the shaft which I think was smart of at the time. As I said I never worked on many Kirby vacuums in the 70s and I do not know if a 509, 519, D50 or D80 fan when ordered did or did not have the spindle/belt pulley pressed onto the fan.
So is the fan I am asking about still could be from GE vacuum, Kirby vacuum or something like a Hoover Lark or Hoover 115 vacuum. Sorry I am and can be a bit of a pain but I really would like to know what vacuum this fan is for.


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Post# 402564 , Reply# 5   12/14/2018 at 11:31 (188 days old) by a007kirbyman (--->> Originally My Mom <<--- (now Wisconsin))        
Pete & Fan in question...

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Hello Pete,

I sent you an email yesterday.

TY & hagd/n all.

Bill

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Post# 402590 , Reply# 6   12/14/2018 at 17:56 (187 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        

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It would also depend on if the shaft hole size of the (reverse-thread screw-on) Royal impeller fans is the same as the Kirby ones.

~Ben


Post# 402592 , Reply# 7   12/14/2018 at 18:26 (187 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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Hey
I hope bill explained to him. I know a Kirby fan and I know a royal fan. Royal has many versions. Thanks
Les


Post# 402595 , Reply# 8   12/14/2018 at 18:48 (187 days old) by Phaeton (Los Angeles )        

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Yes, it seems like it is not from a Royal.

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Post# 402596 , Reply# 9   12/14/2018 at 18:53 (187 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Les,

Correct. In the 1980s, Royal had three different reverse-thread screw-on impeller fans with varying shaft hole sizes:

1-053004-000 = 7/32" (0.22") dia. shaft hole (for most pre-1976 metal uprights with revolving brush; use with armature 1-801001-000 or 1-602001-000 and driveshaft 1-285261-000)

1-003004-000 = as above, but for pre-1976 model 311 straight-suction upright cleaners (using same armature 1-801001-000 or 1-602001-000).

1-608004-000 = 1/4" (0.25") dia. shaft hole (for 1976-1989 metal uprights, 3.0 or 4.5 amp, with revolving brush; use with armature 1-608001-000 [3.0 amp] or 1-880001-000 [4.5 amp] and driveshaft 1-608261-000)

1-311004-000 = as above, but for 1976-1985 model 311 straight-suction upright cleaners (also takes same armature 1-608001-000 [3.0 amp] or 1-880001-000 [4.5 amp])

1-620004-000 = 5/16" (0.31") dia. shaft hole (for 1984-1990 metal uprights, 5.4 or 6.0 amp, with revolving brush; use with armature 1-618001-000 [5.4 amp] or 1-620001-000 [6.0 amp] and driveshaft 1-618261-000)

~Ben


Post# 402597 , Reply# 10   12/14/2018 at 19:05 (187 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX)        

"If you look at your original post picture 4 the spindle is off. "

Les, no, the spindle is on there - it is just how the picture was taken. The center part is blurry, meaning it is much closer to the camera. Compare to #5 of the sequence.
This does look like an early Kirby fan...


Post# 402599 , Reply# 11   12/14/2018 at 19:54 (187 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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It may be I have 3 six blade fans. If I recall correctly your shaft broke off from belt lifter.
The first 2 pics 1949 royal metal fan.
Pic 3 509 and d80 impellers they are the same length
Pic 4 my d80 10 blade metal fan
Pic 5 my 509 original 6 blade fan.
I'll post this and compare pics.
Royal fans tend to be flat on backside of the fan.
I may be wrong but there's examples.
Les


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Post# 402600 , Reply# 12   12/14/2018 at 19:56 (187 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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Bad first pic of the spindle/shaft.

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Post# 402601 , Reply# 13   12/14/2018 at 19:57 (187 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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Bad first pic of the spindle/shaft.

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Post# 402602 , Reply# 14   12/14/2018 at 20:09 (187 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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The pics are of mine and his.
His has a hole in top center of the shaft.
Second my vacuums shaft don't want to call imy shaft.. It goes to a smaller diameter and stays that diameter through rest of the spindle.
His spindle has a curved like a like you see on the side of stairs connected to bannister or railings.
His spindle changes diameter and doesn't stay same diameter.
So like I said it's not a Kirby.
It may be a Bojack knockoff that 10 blades are notorious for. It however is not a Kirby vacuum spindle unless it predates 505 4c vacuums.
Tell us phaeton what did bill say.
I'm wasn't good at wording my reasons I was tired and my vacuums were not in a location for me to obtain pics.
Ben is there any fan you know of where you can thread it yourself. My royal fan blade is cracked and it's going to be off balance. I cannot fix the fan. I don't know amodel using spacers and spindle from original fan.
Les


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Post# 402604 , Reply# 15   12/14/2018 at 20:14 (187 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Les,

I can't really think of any that you can DIY (do it yourself).

Might be better off buying this (if your money permits):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Royal-Vacuum-Cl...

~Ben


Post# 402606 , Reply# 16   12/14/2018 at 20:19 (187 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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You are a magician. Thank you. Money does permit I sold my Dyson so I'm going to get the fan. Seriously thanks I can't find royal items often and poof you find them.
Thanks
Les


Post# 402607 , Reply# 17   12/14/2018 at 20:21 (187 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Les,

You're very welcome and I'm glad you actually ended up getting it!

Merry Christmas!

~Ben


Post# 402616 , Reply# 18   12/15/2018 at 00:43 (187 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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Just putting this out there, but you all know that aluminum fan blades can be welded back together if they're cracked, right? Presumably if it's something rare enough to warrant repair over replacement.

Post# 402627 , Reply# 19   12/15/2018 at 08:59 (187 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth)        

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The fan looks like the one that is in my Kirby C (or 1C as some people call it)

The shaft will be smaller than later Kirbys because the armature is much smaller in the early Kirbys.


Post# 402658 , Reply# 20   12/15/2018 at 21:41 (186 days old) by Phaeton (Los Angeles )        

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Well this is interesting. I found this on a site called Vacuumland and it just kind of struck me that there was something familiar about it.
I am referring Thread No. 8326 from 3/1/2010 and Post No. 92548, of the same date, by Barry Banister.
All this on that Vacuumland site, how odd.
Now what do they say about being struck by Lightning?
Sorry, I believe my middle name is Richard and there is a short 4 letter name you can use for me or a number of 4 letter words you can use and believe me I have answered to all of them over the years.
OMG I hope I don't have egg on my face or something else.
No


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Post# 402663 , Reply# 21   12/15/2018 at 23:49 (186 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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It's almost like the search feature on that site isn't very comprehensive.

But then again, who searches forums, anyway? :P


Post# 402701 , Reply# 22   12/16/2018 at 18:23 (185 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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That is early 2c 3c or 4c Kirby with your fan. Rvstng from Colorado springs has such a model. I believe he may be interested in the fan if he doesn't already have one.
Glad to see you figured it out. I could tell it wasn't a fan I have worked with.
I don't know the value of the fan but to someone needing it could be worth some.
Les


Post# 402777 , Reply# 23   12/17/2018 at 21:11 (184 days old) by Phaeton (Los Angeles )        

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Well I can not imagine anyone needing the fan as I think anyone that owns a 75 year old Kirby would either have had it replaced along time ago or just not need one.

Post# 402781 , Reply# 24   12/18/2018 at 00:19 (184 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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Yeah but in another 10 or 20 years, somebody's gonna really need that to restore their old Kirby...

Post# 402784 , Reply# 25   12/18/2018 at 00:30 (184 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Right, as this will not fit anything after the model 2C.

~Ben


Post# 402814 , Reply# 26   12/18/2018 at 14:41 (184 days old) by rivstg1 (colorado springs)        
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I'm gonna go look at my Model C ( its not at my house) and see the condition of the fan, I might want yours...

Post# 402826 , Reply# 27   12/18/2018 at 19:54 (183 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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I thought I posted but I guess not. I was going to say rivstg1 has a model c and might be interested in this. I may be on to something.

Post# 402860 , Reply# 28   12/19/2018 at 22:03 (182 days old) by Phaeton (Los Angeles )        

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I have not decided what to do with that fan at this time.

Post# 402873 , Reply# 29   12/20/2018 at 11:29 (182 days old) by broomvac (N/A)        

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Isn't the Kirby in the picture above a model R? I see a cord coming out of the handle. I know this shouldn't make a difference regarding fans, but hey, nice vacuum!

Post# 402943 , Reply# 30   12/22/2018 at 08:05 (180 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth)        

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Yes that is an R1 Kirby, the cord comes out of the handle and plugs in on the side underneath.




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