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My two new Sebo machines - Evolution 350 & Airbelt E1 Komfort
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Post# 400210   10/31/2018 at 17:30 by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

Hi guys.... haven't posted on here in ages.

I've recently bought two new daily divers I wanted to share with you all.....

Previously had a Dyson upright and a Dyson V10 but decided I wanted something with a more robust feel to it. So I sold the two Dyson machines on eBay and bought two Sebo machines.

I originally bought the E1 and the new automatic X7, however I can't get away with the auto height adjustment so after a week I returned the X7 and bought the Evolution 350 as it has manual height control.

I've now had both machines for a month and a half.

The Evolution is my main machine. This cleans our house fully two or three times a week, and does a deep clean for an elderly relative that I care for at least weekly - so it is responsible for cleaning two houses. This machine gets 95% of the use as I prefer an upright. I've already filled a bag with it. Very happy with the performance of it.

The side mounted, foot operated on/off switch took a bit of getting used to but feels completely natural now.

This machine uses the same bags as the BS36 / 46 machines, the same pre motor filter as the Automatic X machines, and its own style pleated exhaust filter. The replaceable brush strips are also the same as the ones used on the BS36 machines.

Obviously this is a dedicated commercial machine so is built very very well (no flimsy bits) and the high visibility cord is super long.

The only downside is it is intended for carpet use only so hard floor performance is somewhat poor in as much as the brush roll will scatter larger particles on hard flooring - this is something I fully expected as the brush roll can not be turned off.

I paid around £300 for the machine itself and then an extra £130ish for a pack of bags, spare exhaust filter, stair stretch hose, large dusting brush with handle storage clamp, x2 extension wands and a push fitting Kombi nozzle for cleaning hard flooring - Sadly the Kombi nozzle from the E1 uses a clip tyre fitting so wasn't really usable with the Evolution. This has resulted in the Evolution being a really versatile machine as I can now use it to clean every flooring type with fantastic results.

Like I say this is my main 'go to' machine and easily gets 95% of the use


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Post# 400211 , Reply# 1   10/31/2018 at 17:41 by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

My Airbelt E1 is the Komfort model so comes with the standard Kombi nozzle and an air driven turbo nozzle. The turbo nozzle is more than enough for our short cut pile carpeting.

I paid around £180 for this as it was on offer and then also ordered extra bags and filters.

It has on board crevice and stair tools but no dusting brush - however the optional extra dusting brush I bought for the Evolution fits the E1 too so I can use this tool between the two machines if needed.

The power button also doubles up as an electronic suction control and the machine is nice and quiet - Like, Miele levels of quiet.

While this is also a fantastic quality machine that performs really well I actually rarely use it as I generally prefer an upright. I maybe use the E1 once a week or maybe once every two weeks and it is usually just to vacuum upstairs as it is easier to get under and behind the beds with.

The main benefit for me having this machine as a spare is it is a lot quieter than the upright Evolution so comes in handy if I need to vacuum a room late at night as it doesn't disturb anyone.

I feel having this machine nicely completes my cleaning arsenal as some jobs are just easier with a cylinder, even if I do prefer the upright as my main machine.



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Post# 400228 , Reply# 2   10/31/2018 at 23:27 by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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Straight up Gangster! Get some HEPA bags to go with that bling.

Post# 400250 , Reply# 3   11/1/2018 at 05:29 by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

They don't make synthetic hepa bags for the upright machine at the moment.

While the domestic cylinder E1 uses them as standard, the commercial Evolution bags only come in paper - I think this is to maybe keep running costs as low as possible?


Post# 400251 , Reply# 4   11/1/2018 at 08:20 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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nice!

Post# 400263 , Reply# 5   11/1/2018 at 11:32 by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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@matt8808 same bags as the X and G .
Here is a link


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Post# 400267 , Reply# 6   11/1/2018 at 11:50 by Mike811 (Finland)        

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I would also much prefer the Evolution 350 instead of the Automatic X7. Manual height adjustment is important for me.
I have noticed that vacuums with the manual height adjustment are much better for different pile carpets.
I mean very different pile like low, medium and shag pile like I have. My Sebo Felix also works very well on those.


Post# 400269 , Reply# 7   11/1/2018 at 12:18 by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        
Vacuumdevil

The Sebo Evolution and BS36 range take a completely different style of bag to the X machines.

The bags you suggested would not fit.

These are the bags my machine uses..... Sebo only make them in paper

sebo.co.uk/store/evolution/filte...


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Post# 400272 , Reply# 8   11/1/2018 at 14:20 by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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@matt8808

SEBO's US website (see link) says diffident . In the UK did they make a change ?

They didn't sell well and we stopped stocking the MECHANICAL over a year ago .

John was tell me they where going to stopped making paper bags with the SEBO name on them. That Paper bags on the market where "new old stock" This was back in 2015 .
we still see paper SEBO bags today .






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Post# 400278 , Reply# 9   11/1/2018 at 16:29 by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        
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I will apologise now for thinking you were some idiot who didn't know what they were talking about LOL

It would seem your suggestion is right, for your country at least.

The version of the machine your country got does indeed take the same bags as the X series.

Our version takes the BS36 series style of bag. I assume this is because the BS series of Sebo machines are hugely popular in this country so the Evolution machine taking the same style bag makes sense in that if cleaning companies have both machines they only need to stock one type of bag.

This would also make the name difference Evolution / Mechanical make sense as there is a *slight* difference between the machines - hence different names.

Other than the bag docking system and type of bag taken everything else looks the same between the two versions.

Here are some images of how the bag docks in my machine.... notice how the cardboard collar runs the entire width of the bag. I've also put the bags next to an X series bag (still have some knocking about I need to give to a friend) to show the difference :)





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Post# 400279 , Reply# 10   11/1/2018 at 16:32 by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        
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I found this video that gives a better look inside at the bag docking system your version of the machine got....





I guess he saying 'you learn something new every day' is true!

I do wish they would make a synthetic HEPA bag for the UK version as I know the performance would stay strong for longer as the bag fills..... but for now we only have the option of this style of bag in paper



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Post# 400301 , Reply# 11   11/2/2018 at 10:54 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
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I think Sebo makes great machines and would not hesitate to suggest them. I think they are actually made slightly better than the Mieles. I've read some posts from some collectors who don't think the Sebos deep clean very well, especially the canisters or Sebo Felix that use the ET power nozzles. My Sebo ET1 cleans carpet very well, I have not seen any issues with the cleaning ability. I also have a Sebo D1 canister, this was the straight suction model of the D series, I don't think it is made anymore, only the D4 is sold now, it's an excellent canister vac. I'm actually a canister only person, I don't like uprights, but if I absolutely had to use an upright, I would choose the Sebo Felix, it's a great machine and you can remove the power nozzle and attach a hard floor brush just like a canister. The Sebo vacuums are indeed very quiet, no problem in that department at all. I generally don't use the attachments that came with my D1 although there is certainly nothing wrong with them. I use an adapter on the end of the hose that converts it to the standard 1.25 size so I can use all of the standard size attachments in my collection.
Mike


Post# 400303 , Reply# 12   11/2/2018 at 16:02 by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        
thanks

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@matt8808 thanks for the apology! Maybe what we need to do is send you the back dock adapter to the UK for your neutered SEBO . Question is will it fit? I'd be willing to bet it would knowing the modularity of SEBO.

That's just plain bizarre they make two different bags for the same vacuum.


Post# 400331 , Reply# 13   11/3/2018 at 05:36 by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

I thought about trying to get one of the little latches to hold the synthetic bag in place.... but the bag inlet hole that the bag pushes on to also looks different.... mine is just a plain plastic tube where yours looks like it has some sort of seal or stopper on it.

I guess I'll just stick with the genuine paper bags for now :)


Post# 400340 , Reply# 14   11/3/2018 at 09:44 by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)        

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Loving your SEBO vacuums matt8808, great models you picked there too! Love the Evolution model. I did think the new updated X series might look similar to the Evolution but I was wrong there!

As matt8808 says the BS model is popular in the UK so keeping the bag type the same on the Evolution saves companies having to stock 2 types of bags. Or if they replace their BS model for the Evolution they can use any spare bags too! Iíve also heard the reason for the commercial range still using the paper bags is cost as they are cheaper over the fleece version. Which is what companies take into account the running costs! Even though the fleece ones Iíll agree give better performance!

Take the domestic SEBO range in the UK, when the new fleece bags where introduced although the prices of the box of bags didnít go up as such you only get 8 bags instead of the 10 you got when they where paper ones! But Iíve found they last longer and get performance so having 2 less in the box doesnít bother me!



Post# 401775 , Reply# 15   12/1/2018 at 22:10 by jp10558 (Southern Tier, NY, USA)        

@n0oxy

I have a Sebo D4, but wasn't able to find any adapters on Amazon for "regular" attachments like what my older Oreck Iron Man used. Did you make the adapter, or is your google fu better than mine?


Post# 401793 , Reply# 16   12/2/2018 at 09:21 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
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Here is a link to a Sebo adapter, I use this with my Sebo D1 and it works fine, the Sebo hose end is a bit larger than the 35 MM size that is common in Europe, hope this helps.
Mike


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