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Post# 399560   10/15/2018 at 07:43 (1,991 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Will Home Depot or Best Buy please buy the Kenmore appliance line? It would be a shame if quality Kenmore vacuums and other appliances disappear from the American marketplace. :-(

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Post# 399567 , Reply# 1   10/15/2018 at 11:00 (1,991 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
yeah

 

That's really the only wild card left at this point.  

 

We already know Sears is done.

 

I suppose everyone is waiting for a fire sale on that.  Or do we think they believe the brand is tainted with the stale reputation of it's parent?

 

Is Kenmore unique or special enough to stand on it's own?   


Post# 399599 , Reply# 2   10/15/2018 at 19:49 (1,990 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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I think a lot of Kenmore's large appliance line is basically just rebadged Whirlpool and Frigidaire. I know for sure if you compare a Whirlpool side by side to Kenmore they look the same. Same with many Frigidaire and Kenmore ranges. Some of the Kenmore Elite line looks to be proprietary models made by LG.

Kenmore has a pretty nice small appliance line. I am not certain who it's made by but I would guess a lot of it is Electrolux, at least the Elite stuff. A lot of the higher end models don't seem to be represented in the store here anymore.

As far as floor care, Kenmore has a pretty unique selection. When Panasonic stopped making vacuums all of their designs and tooling were bought by Cleva to continue making them for Sears. Unlike in the past, when Eureka and Hoover and LG made vacuums for Sears, most of the current line was by Panasonic, so if they didn't find a new producer they were going to go bye bye. Cleva already made Craftsman shop vacuums so they were a good candidate.

I still prefer Kenmore's vacuums to a lot of what Bissell, Shark and Hoover put out. So I'd like to see the line carried elsewhere. The thing is though, Kenmore's vacuums are WAY different than the market trends. They still sell full sized BAGGED vacuums both uprights AND canisters. No one else except the premium brands is doing this. Few if any of your regular big box stores sell them. Kenmore does sell a few Shark like uprights and have just recently released a line of rechargable stick/hand vacs like Dyson has, but the majority is not what's in style right now for someone that buys a vacuum at Walmart, for example.

It's nice having a big box version of what Miele or Tacony put out at a lower price. I just feel that the prices are still too high. The TOL Kenmore Elite bagged canister costs almost $400. It's better than a lot of other vacuums but the build quality just isn't up to Tacony or Miele or any of those specialty vacuums. I think it has gotten a bit better in recent years though.

The prices do seem a little lower. I do wonder if Amazon could continue selling the Kenmore brand? They already sell them now. Plus could they could take over the parts and repair departments of Sears?


Post# 399601 , Reply# 3   10/15/2018 at 20:47 (1,990 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        

Maybe our Toyota Tercel driving friend, Jeff Bezos at Amazon, will help round out the Amazon world with the Kenmore Brand.  

 

It would be kind of cool if so, and if they could get the Sears outlets and expand these stripmall based stores to have Amazon drop boxes AND have it be a place where they could have demonstrator type show rooms for  anything from said Kenmore appliances, but also new things like smart phones.  A demo store would really help sell things online that typically would be a difficult thing because it's too big, or people want to try it out first.  Time will tell.  

 

I hope Kenmore gets saved.  


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Post# 399603 , Reply# 4   10/15/2018 at 21:07 (1,990 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
So long, Sears...

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Sadly, it does look like we're at the beginning of the end for Sears. I read somewhere that now-former Sears CEO and in-house corporate raider Eddie Lampert (Why hasn't this guy been indicted or at least investigated by the FTC?) made an offer some time ago of a measly $4 million for the Kenmore brand. Jeff Bezos should be able to top that out of his petty cash, if he wanted to. The question is, what is the Kenmore brand really worth today? As others have pointed out, it's just a name under which Sears re-badged other manufacturers' goods and while that name once meant something, it's now lost just about all of its luster with consumers. They don't really trust it anymore since they don't know if Sears will be around to honor the warranty in the event something goes wrong. "Solid as Sears" just doesn't mean what it used to.

Post# 399606 , Reply# 5   10/15/2018 at 23:42 (1,990 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
No surprise there

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I actually predicted earlier this year that Sears would file for bankruptcy by the end of 2018.

Post# 399608 , Reply# 6   10/15/2018 at 23:57 (1,990 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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Finally! lol

idk about Kenmore. It's possible some Chinese company will buy the name. However, that may not happen due to current import tariffs. I rather doubt any American company desires the marque for anything besides, perhaps, small appliances, in which case it might be a while as prospective buyers wait for the brand's value to swirl down the bowl.


Post# 399613 , Reply# 7   10/16/2018 at 00:48 (1,990 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Kenmore,like other names-is just stuck on cheap goods now-not worth it.Craftsman is now sold thru Lowes.Kenmore was liked by the "Mrs." of the household-Craftsman the "Mr." of the household.

Post# 399620 , Reply# 8   10/16/2018 at 09:28 (1,990 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        
I don't think the dissolution of the Kenmore name is so

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Since it's inception, Kenmore was always just a label and Sears subcontracted out to whomever would make it for them the cheapest. Even years ago, some of their products were sub-par. For example how many Kenmore Duo-Powers do you see vs. Hoover Dial-A-Matics? If they're going to resurrect old Sears brand labels why not bring back the Destiny vacuum cleaner, or the Minnesota sewing machine?

Post# 399621 , Reply# 9   10/16/2018 at 10:14 (1,990 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        

 

What ever happened to montgomery wards labeled appliances?

 

 


Post# 399631 , Reply# 10   10/16/2018 at 14:58 (1,989 days old) by daknx1994 (Southern Indiana)        

Lampert offered to buy Kenmore for $400 million to be exact although I am not defending the guy. This is what happens when you let a hedge fund manager with no retail experience run a retail company. Lampert has drove the company into the ground, stripped the company of its assets, and never wanted to invest in the stores. When Sears does go into total liquidation he and his company ESL will profit the most. If you ask me I think that has always been his goal. I hate to admit it but everything he has done seems to support that theory. I just hope that even Penneys is able to turn themselves around. I still love going to shopping malls and department stores. I dont buy a whole lot online and I find it disheartening and scary to see all of these legacy brands struggling or even closing up.

Sears was one store that I remember the most from my youth,

 

Even at my age Sears was still relevant to me as a kid because every weekend that's where my parents went and that was how they got me to go clothes shopping because it was my chance to look at the vacuums Sears had. I always loved as a kid going to their vacuum displays because to me they felt better set up and I could actually try them out. The other thing I loved about Sears as a kid was their Christmas displays. Most Sears could really decorate their stores and around the holidays these stores seemed almost magical to me when I was younger.


Post# 399634 , Reply# 11   10/16/2018 at 15:43 (1,989 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
Monkey Wards online

 

I don't want to detract from the subject of this post much.  I just found Montgomery Wards online.  .... at least it seems real.  lol

 

A store I would think people would be even less likely to shop at then Sears.

 

Their prices better include shipping.


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Post# 399636 , Reply# 12   10/16/2018 at 16:01 (1,989 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
I remember hearing someone saying,

and this was tongue in cheek, that Sears is really a big finance company that also sells appliances. Most of the shopping malls of the 60's-80's around here and else where were built on land where Sears&Robuck had been operating for 10-20years already as standalone stores. Sears,J.C.Penny's and Emporium/Capwell's anchored most of the large shopping centers/malls around the bay area. The building that they leased to Montgomery Wards for 30 years sat empty for about 3 years when they closed. They put out ads saying they had your back if you owned appliances from Wards and they could service any appliance they sold or supply parts. Sears did have quite a large supply of parts and made house calls too! I like the Kenmore appliances that I have. The heavy duty 60,70 80 and 90 washers are real work horses, the Panasonic canister vacs, the stainless hood over the stove made by Broan and Craftsman tools with the lifetime warranty, and the lawn mower all good quality then, dicey now I know. Time will tell what lies ahead for these brands.

Post# 399637 , Reply# 13   10/16/2018 at 16:07 (1,989 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
daknx1994

 

 

$400 million is correct.  That's what "fast Eddie" offered for Kenmore, but the board is hesitant to OK the sale due to pension issues and  The Pension Guaranty Corps intervening in the sale..... and the possibility of being sued by stock holders.  So what's going to happen to Kenmore?   time will tell. 

 

Frankly, I have this feeling Sears won't make it to Christmas. 

 

I remember the Christmas displays at Sears, and the much more important vacuum and appliance departments.   lol

 

In fairness, I don't think we should blame Mr. Lambert.  Stores like Sears and ToyRUs were going to fail/have failed due to technology changes..... Amazon, yada, yada, yada.

 

People like Mr. Lambert, and Mittens Romney and others, smartly fore-saw the encroachment of technology.  Instead of letting assets simply sink in value, they coordinated to extract the value.   

 

It's like a cargo ship at sea that is slowly sinking because of a series of tiny, unfixable holes in the shell.  Do we simply sit and watch it sink taking all the cargo with it, or do we make efforts to remove the cargo, ASAP? 

 

We'd be out there with helicopters and barges to lift things to safety.  Mr. Lambert has been working for many years to bring the Sears Love Boat carefully down without crashing it.    By the end of this year Sears / Kmart will have closed about 2/3rd of it's stores.  That's a lot easier to liquidate than 4000 and less likely to make waves in the economy.  (I'm searching for a another sea-faring metaphor, but I'm all out.) 

 

Oh yes, Eddie is less of a pirate and more of a long shore dock foremen, dealing with the after affects of a jaws type encounter.  Does fast eddie have a parrot or a peg-leg...... I don't...... think so? ......  

 

 


Post# 399648 , Reply# 14   10/16/2018 at 20:43 (1,989 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
Kenmore

I don't think Kenmore ever made their own products, they were always made by another manufacturer. I know in the early 1970's, the Kenmore canisters, made by Whirlpool were very nice. I wish I could go back in time and visit a Sears store in the early 1970's and see what their vacuum display looked like. I think Sears was the only department store where canister vacuums were still sold, all of the stores are selling the cheap bagless uprights now. If you want a decent canister, you either have to buy it on line or go to a vacuum dealer.
Mike


Post# 399661 , Reply# 15   10/17/2018 at 08:50 (1,989 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Our Sears hit town, big time mid 60s? Maybe early. Still open, ghost town though. Displays were amazing, the vacuum department was magic. Bought my first vacuum there as a kid, I think $18? Douglass rebrand hand vac.Have had a few canisters of theirs, perform ok, hold up ok, not fond of the bag collars. Their displays that caught me were the BIG beach balls hovering over the canister hose on the exhaust, just rolling around high up in the air, gosh the miles on those motors! Will be missed, though not closing here, yet. Loved the Sears service dept and parst depot

Post# 399665 , Reply# 16   10/17/2018 at 09:23 (1,989 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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When I was a kid, my mother would go shopping at Sears. She would actually leave me in the vacuum department (I don't think people stole other people's children in those days). I was 5 or 6. The vacuum salesperson would use Kapok to spell out KENMORE on the red carpet, and would use the new Power-Mate canister to clean it up in front of a prospect. Boy, I wanted to grow up to be a vacuum cleaner salesman.

I was also fascinated with the dishwashers at Sears. The display model had a clear glass front with a few dishes and lights inside. The Roto-Rack was spinning around and you could see the wash arm pummeling the dishes in the lower rack. The washing machines were full of water and colored hand towels and you were invited to turn the knob and 'watch it wash'.

The downward fall of Sears can be traced to the "Brand Central" idea, in my opinion. It was the beginning of the end. For decades, only Kenmore brand appliances were for sale at Sears. Once "brand central" became a thing, all brands of washers and other appliances started showing up at Sears stores, making their Kenmore appliances just 'another choice' as opposed to being the only choice. A huge downfall from the days of "Lady Kenmore" and the idea Sears appliances were "The Best".

With Cleva taking over the manufacturing of Kenmore cleaners, I think they knew the end was near. Cleva-built vacuums - identical to Kenmores - are being sold at Vac Shops. ESSCO carries them (ESSCO is the vac shop wholesale parts and cleaner supplier to the industry).

It's sad, but Sears did it to themselves.


Post# 399667 , Reply# 17   10/17/2018 at 09:29 (1,989 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I remember those too Tom! Sears or Wards, parents knew where to find me! I also wonder, way back before everyone had charge cards, Sears/Wards had their own credit for the big purchases, wonder if selling off their credit arm brought them down too?

Post# 399673 , Reply# 18   10/17/2018 at 12:53 (1,989 days old) by bryan1980 (Texas)        
Montgomery Ward's

was the main anchor of the mall near us growing up. My father had some Ward's "Powr-Kraft" tools, and I can remember seeing radios and TV's branded as "Airline". I remember when they started the whole "Electric Avenue" concept, and started offering brands like Fisher, Hitachi, and Sony, in lieu of their private-label electronics.

Most of the places we shopped at growing up are closed now....it's sad to see.


Post# 399680 , Reply# 19   10/17/2018 at 14:37 (1,988 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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What brand are the Cleva made machines sold under in vacuum stores? From what I read Cleva was ONLY making the vacuums under the Kenmore name to sell at Sears and Amazon and no one else would be selling them.

Post# 399681 , Reply# 20   10/17/2018 at 15:11 (1,988 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I think my Vacmaster is a Cleva, just a guess. No complaints

Post# 399690 , Reply# 21   10/17/2018 at 18:41 (1,988 days old) by ridgidwd0670 (se wood co ohio)        

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The Sears in bowling green OH will still remain acording 2 the store manager there

As if sears 'going out of business' aint bad enough, Walmart dropped their name & replaced it with the * symbol

'* is the store formerly known as Wal*Mart'

* Save Money Live Better

Even the Walmart name is censored out on the latest commercials; just the * symbol still showing.

The * stores are removing the Walmart name; but keeping the *


Post# 399696 , Reply# 22   10/17/2018 at 20:54 (1,988 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
cleva and selling other brands

Cleva does make the Vacmaster brand of wet dry vacs. I think they also make the Craftsman wet dry vacs.
Perhaps Sears started selling other brands of appliances thinking that it would increase their sales, but as Tom said, it totally back fired on them.
Mike


Post# 399700 , Reply# 23   10/17/2018 at 21:45 (1,988 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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Yeah, I know Cleva makes wet/dry vacs under Craftsman and other names. But I hadn't heard of them selling the Kenmore canisters and uprights under other names. As far as I am aware the agreement is they would ONLY be sold under the Kenmore name at Sears and Amazon.

And perhaps the reason I prefer to look at vacuums at Sears is it brings that nostalgia of seeing vacuums as a kid. Where I can bring them off the rack to look at, and try them out even if I want. Can't do that at Walmart or other big box stores.


Post# 399709 , Reply# 24   10/18/2018 at 02:54 (1,988 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
nostalgia

 

Is that a dirty word?

 

I'm missing the days of small appliance stores.  GE, Maytag, vacuum stores.  Some times the places weren't much more than a single room or office.

The memories.  In downtown on main street.  A GE dealer on one block.  A Whirlpool appliance dealer a block away.  In old 1800 type buildings.  Parking on the street.  Big backlit flourescent signage above the windows with the company logos on them.  The old appliances left in the alley way behind the store. 

 

Those were the days.  In the suburban large town I grew up in we had at least 6 major appliance dealers and as many vacuum/small appliance dealers.  One was in a small metal sided quonset hut type building.  It had red carpet and I don't know how he kept heat in there.  Don't know that there was even plumbing.  Bought my first vacuum parts there.  Singer sewing machine stores.

 

None are around anymore.  Some of the buildings are long gone.  Others are vacant store fronts.  

 

I saw a box set of Montgomery wards christmas lights at Goodwill today.  Considered buying them.


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Post# 399716 , Reply# 25   10/18/2018 at 09:13 (1,988 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Cleva makes "Kenmore" canister vacuums under the "Titan" brand name for vac shops to sell. Even has the horrible dusting brush built in to the hose handle.

Post# 399717 , Reply# 26   10/18/2018 at 09:15 (1,988 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The Titan canister.

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Post# 399722 , Reply# 27   10/18/2018 at 13:37 (1,987 days old) by dirtmaster37 (Ypsilanti, Michigan USA)        
Being born early enough to see Sears greatness...

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I too had a mother who would not necessarily LET me go over to the appliance department or the vacuum/sewing department at Sears Roebuck and Co; but she sure as hell knew where to find me, when she'd look over her shoulder to find me NOT where she told me to stand. Man the warmed up bottom, and fingernail in the arm marks I used to have.... YEEEEEsh....

My oldest memory I have with a full cast and charachter scene, of Sears's vacuum department is from about 1982-83 ish. I've asked my poor mother, whom I scared half to death, and she seems to think 1982. It fits right to what i clearly remember so... If you wish, close your eyes and kinda picture what I can describe was a nirvana of sorts for a little vacuum dude, and what I consider the end of the golden age of department store vacuum departments....

***WARNING****IF you aren't interested in the long read, this is a good time to scroll down, or take out the garbage. I have a pretty clear memory so this gets a bit graphic and long..

I finally had an opportunity to sneak away from my mother, who was pretty busy helping the camera-man at Olan Mills who, IIRC was trying to get my brothers picture taken. Jeff wouldn't smile, he was pouting, being a brat etc.... I think to myself that he's a freaking idiot, and I hate him, so this act of rebellion by him; well was kinda genius. My pictures were already taken, the horrid ones of us both together, in the forced loving poses, we ALSO already done. THANK FREAKIN JESUS.. I think ahead, and concoct my only opportunity to run, and in doing so leaving the little front "sitting area" I was espressedly told to STAY in. Yep, that didn't happen...

The next clear vision I have is my little five-year-old ass tearing down the main aisle, running away from Olan-Mills, and the dual exposure, happy family memories...RUNNING... like I'm running to the then popular song "Chariots of Fire". I round the bend by the candy counter, where we came in...with the now remembered promise that if I was GOOD, I could have a small bag of candy.. and it still NOW smells of heaven. I'm not getting any candy now I think....Yet, that doesn't EVEN deter me in the SLIGHTEST. I am on a mission, that will have a painful ending. But OH the thrill I have RIGHT now... Finally I see it on my left... And I skid to a stop in my little Buster Browns...gazing ahead at a now long dead Nirvana, and a memory to share......

I slowly approach the vacuum department, from my skid-stop. Why, I dont know to this day. I wasn't sneaking up on a lion.... and suddenly there is the faintest scent of lemons in the air. That is because this Sears really likes to show off it's lemony scented rug-and-room carpet powder deodorizer, when they demo their vacuums.. It hits me good about the time I step onto the red carpet that is under the whole department of sewing machines, and vacuums. I think to myself that in nearly every Sears I've been too, that I'd see the sewing machines on either side of the vacuum department, ALWAYS. Our Sears has them on the left side of the department, separated by a little lattice half wall with a walkway in the middle of that to go between the departments. Clearly too much effort was required to go about 12-15 ft around this little lattice wall...I think to myself HOWWWW cute, NOT!!

I'm not going to pay too much attention to this side, I told myself. However, to the few sewing machine fanatics there may be who will even read this; there were ALWAYS sales-ladies over there doing something (NEVER men). Today it was as I remember, there they were demonstrating the newest in their sewing machines, using some fabric called "polyester". I notice that a few ladies are sitting around a low, long table surrounded by comfortable looking desk style chairs. These machines on the table were the portable style, like moms. The other machines were in wooden cabinets, these were usually sitting at the front-and-center of the department. Usually topped by the TOL and high end sewing machines.. Usually with the lights on them on, and ready for anyone to "sit-and-sew". I thought about the times mom needed to come here for her Kenmore sew-er, and how i'd get to look over at the vacuums. Today tho, as usual, these same women were mindlessly chatting along doing various things. Much like they were at a local coffee klatch, gossiping and whispering about this and that....

As I watched, I quietly laughed to myself thinking of my dad saying: "the sound of a bunch ah WIMMMEN running their yappers, is like a slow country song from hell"... I quickly came back from that memory... to hearing the faint hum, I see the stitching happening...DIIIING DING DING ding...the department store tones are letting the employees know about something in code. It stops... MAN I got too wrapped up in those sew-er's I think!

TIME IS A WASTING CHAD my mind says...lets get to the vacuums!!!!!!! You know that SOON she's gonna see I'm gone!! And soon she will be on the hunt for me...not in the waiting room where she left me, man im in deeep DEEEP DEEEEEP!!!

I look back into the vacuum department. FRONT and center is the TOL Kenmore Power-Mate Canister vacuum, now featuring the new Wide-Sweep, Double Brush, Beater Bar agitator. There is a pic of it matter-of-fact , up in my avatar.. I think then about when I first saw it in the catalog, and how I DREAMED about owning one. And how modern that Power-mate looked after the older boxy series from before. I see a placard nearby, showing a picture of this newest agitator, describing it's features.... I see right next to the canister; sets a TOL Twin Fan upright, Self-Propelled. The bag and trim was black I want to say, was black, maybe blue... Gosh memories are funny like that.. BOTH are plugged in to their own floor socket, and are ready to rumble as soon as a prospect hit the carpet. Nothing is on now, but soon there will be some action. You only see one sales-guy at the back talking to a lady.. he pays you absolutely no mind. Im standing on a multi floored section of the showroom right now too. Four different levels of carpet, and one linoleum/tile/wood area was out there to demo the FINEST Sears offered.. Sand and kapok are under my feet crunching....

I notice also off to the RIGHT, it wasn't there last time, it was on the LEFT; is a small rectangular, RED carpet island. Atop that was ANOTHER TOL upright and canister UNUSED sitting well displayed, next to where the tile floor area begins to the major appliance department. I glanced at my little Casio watch, I've only been gone about three minutes..."times a wastin". Behind the litle riser I see several of these TOL canisters, and uprights in ready-to-take-home boxes...

Ohhh Dammit...I forgot to pick up one of the tri-fold brochures laying there on the little island, spread out fan shaped in front of the display machines for easy take-home-to-savor. Oh well.. And man oh man, it was the brochure for the ENTIRE LINE of Kenmore vacuums too. WHY AM I SO STUPID!!!! Later I will kick myself for this.

Beyond these off-set TOL units, in the dead center of the department, I see the LONG bi-level riser, which is dual sided loaded up with all the OTHER vacuums.. There on the left side, are ALL the other Power-Mate square bodied machines. ALL the models I've seen in the catalog ARE RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF ME!!! My heart is just RACING as I quickly peer all of them over... WOW, I see that each are displayed with their price card, all the tools, some are already plugged in to a power-strip along the middle of the riser. That's interesting I remember..In the middle, or the center of the entire length of that riser are power plugs two at a time all along... to use to demonstrate at a moments notice; any of the Kenmore vacuums. Neat!!!

Now I look and notice that, from the front to the rear of the department, the models go from MOST expensive, to the VERY least. And, the least expensive usually looks like hell, today is no exception I think. I notice that the bag is out of the poor canister, sitting next to it with dust and kapok coming out of the bag opening..some is spilled on and in the machine. I actually put it back on the red bag throat holder, and close the lid. I used my hand to sweep the dirt off the top...

Jeeze Louise!!! The wand isn't together either, and the tools are all scattered.. Hmnn..even missing pieces?? I put together what I could. First the PLASTIC wands together, button lock I notice. Then I put that in the little boxy Power-Mate, and clipped the cord from the "mate" into the little channels in the back of the wand. And put the hose handle into the wand. I plug the Power-Mate cord into the long outer cord that goes along side of the hose down to the canister part. Continuity is even important to a 5 year old.

Not to worry I think, looks good now I think to myself proudly...I also remember that "those are ONLY a sale saver"!!. I had heard the sales-guys call it that in a previous visit. That time, it was OKAY to look at them, the vacuums. Mom was with me that time... Man I'm in SOOO dead.. My mind thinks... I think a bit more about that conversation those salesmen were having, and their discussing among themselves as I eavesdropped; that, in fact, they don't even WANT you to look at a BOL machine.... They dont make much money selling them. They grumbled in my earshot on how some customers were only wanting the CHEAP vacuums in the circular. I thought the BOL was kinda neat. And sold for right around a hundred dollars then....I scanned along the entire line of Power-Mates, and they were in a price-stepped line-up as I had mentioned. The few suction only machines were separate. I remember that there were only three or four in the catalog. These machines were at the far end of the riser on a lower tier, the "suction only models", sitting on that lower riser, facing the back wall. This riser that holds ALL these machines is pretty wide, so they fit just right back there... They never like to sell you those either, I now remembered. In fact, I hear the salesman, the one I saw when I arrived, smoothly up-selling that nice older lady he was talking to. I hear him say: "EVEN with JUST rugs ma'am, you need a POWER-MATE to get them TRULY clean"!!! I scanned a small , tall, circular rack with the Electric brooms hanging around it. Even at the age of FIVE I knew that they were Sears badge, Regina Electrikbroom's. Great-Granny had a Electrikbroom hanging on her back hall wall. And yep one of the models I see now is hanging there just in a different color, and says Quik-Sweep...eh, these don't really interest me much..

Glancing behind me, I now see he had slowly moved the lady back to the side with the Power-Mates, even in 1982, both walked by me like I didn't even exist. He quickly selects a unit off the long side of the risers; a model a few up from the bottom of the line. I found it strange, yet interesting that he chose THAT model....I mean it was pretty barren... It was austere really...: no headlight, no covered tools, but has the older square body Power-Mate with the weird wheel type rug adjuster. The colors of this machine he grabbed are a creamy beige and dark brown, almost black trim... maybe it is black come to think of it. Definitely creamy beige was the main color for sure , so far my memories are holding.... I then think of how that was the similar to the one that grandma purchased in 1979. Her's is two tone blue with the wood-grain top and the same trim on the Power-Mate. Her wands are metal tho, I think to myself, and how much sturdier they seem. Her tool lid cracked and is now missing...

My focus quickly comes back to the demo. The lady says with some reservation,and a wave of the hand gesture.."WELLLLLL...I am NOT comfortable with those "pipes" being that plastic" she gestures to the two models he had skipped...I see him in seconds, go over, and he violently throws down that wand to the BOL machine on the floor. The one if you are still awake...the one I had just fixed..and said, yep that thing is JUNK!!!! He swiftly continued.."well this model we have here that we are looking at...has the sturdy METAL wands ma'am...He attention was back on the Middle of the line machine..He finally put the handle-grip in her hand and says....to her matter-of-fact over the roar of the motor "SEE how WELL this POWER-MATE cleans the carpet ma'am"...

As she continues to push it back and forth, I watch intently. Someday I think, I'm gonna sell these vacuums to people... My thoughts then go to that I had earlier noticed that THIS model was already plugged in and ready to go. The sales-guy has them set up perfectly I thought to flow his customers as HIGH as they would spend. I also noticed, that this one was a machine featured in the last newspaper circular for $179.95. She seemed happy with this selection, and is paying attention and still is vacuuming... Hopefully she goes home with a new vacuum. I wish it was me I think.

You look at your watch, oh shit FIVE MINUTES have passed...I quickly move over to the other side of the same riser, and there were ALL the TWIN FAN built uprights of various levels all out and ready, you see the all white BOL model, with the BLUE color KENMORE going up the side of the bag.... The cream and orange trim model catches my eye tho. I run my fingers over the funky striped orange and cream bag. Then my finger traced around the wide sweep HEADLIGHT, I fingered the hood switch between HIGH and LOW speed.. THIS is the machine you would pick and still to this day pine for. I even notice that they had the rugged chrome, and black with red trim COMMERICAL down at the end with the new TOL Self Propelled Unit....I liked that Commercial model tho. It looks like the orange and cream one I have my hand on the grip of. This is the one I keep asking mom to buy to replace our STUUUUUUUUUUUPID Hoover with. My my my little mind...sigh..

I remember back to that same last circular, that this model was featured in it too. I notice that it is plugged in!!! Should I?? no...better not.....I look at the tag...Yep, it's still for sale at $119.99 WITH THE TOOL SET!!!!... I know already that to make it go, I just have to release the handle, I look around again.....the now TWO salesmen are busy with adults, the one guy with the nice lady from before; and this other one now, who was NOT there for the last few minutes, he's an older guy too I think...(NO WOMEN HERE)!!! Again,( he must have been on a coffee break), but is now working with a new couple at the front of the department... And guess what!!! They are looking at the TOL Power-Mate canister... I'm intrigued..but damn this BEAUTIFUL Twin-Fan.... I get up the nerve FINALLY!!! I slowly let the handle down and RRRRRAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRrrrrrrr. I quickly put the handle back up..GOD DAMN that thing is loud I think to myself... Glancing in two directions quickly...No one notices you at first...Whoops spoke to soon...NOW the older sales-guy eyes you now with a cold glare of "don't touch it again"!!! Yikes... You better watch it..

I quickly move further to the back, where on another separate riser at the very back near the slat-wall was an area containing ALL of the available Sears Spray-Mate Carpet cleaners. They are cream and brown this year. I think to myself, that my step-mother has the white and BLUE version of the TOL model; now,only a few years old. It's noisy as HELL too; and leaves the floor rather wet. I also quickly scan the twin brush scrubbers behind those resting on a tile, linoleum and wood flooring similar to the one in front area of the department. Looking over that rear slat-wall which held all the bags and belts, for both Kenmore and "other brands". I know you could get bags for a Hoover Convertible there. Mom had purchased them here once or twice before. She usually go them a K-Mart.. Oh well..There were also parts hanging up and in bins that one could buy also. For example, a replacement crevice tool, or a new electrified Power-Mate hose in 6 or 9 ft lengths.

Now I've seen all of it I think to myself...now I look, about 9 minutes have passed. Still no mom....with the DEATH ANGER in her eyes, and a belt for your bottom when you get home... then I hear the creme de la' creme come on... I see looking towards the front the awesome canister STILL being demo'ed... The headlight is on... I forget again ANGRY mother.

I walk to the very front of the display area, the TOL Power-Mate canister is being demonstrated on the multi-level carpet area I talked about earlier.. The salesman quickly again shoves the handle end into the missus'es hand. She guides it onto the RED deep pile carpet.. It's a noisy nozzle, but man it cleans SWEET I think. I get to watch, as sand, hair and kapok just disappear under the whiny-roar of the NEW WIDE-SWEEP Power-Mate. I notice that he stops her to demonstrate the rug pile selector... showing her that the nozzle would push easier, if she just adjusted the multi-stepped PILE pedal...of the Power-Mate. He then unlatches the Power-Mate wand, and grabs a separate wand that was nearby which had on it the great bare floor tool...The salesman went on, to show his customers the hidden tools, and that with the wand and the LONG hose on the machine, milady could reach her highest, farthest corner, and miss nothing. Oh and, the 9ft hose is a TOL exclusive. Makes it FAR easier to use. She look over wantingly at her husband... He nods, but nods towards the salesman to keep watching the demo...


SUDDENLY, I feel NAILS digging DEEP into my arm, with a quiet hiss of COMe with meeeeeeeee......younnnnngggggggg mannnnnn... Dammit, I am done for. WHO said you COULD LEAVE where I left you.. I point back towards the vacuums as she hauls me away from nirvana. I say...lemme just go back for a brochure... Mom hisses...you don't NEEEEDDDDDDD a bro-shuuure. You little A** is grass when we get to the car.

And that my dear friends, was a trip to Sears, about 1982. I was FIVE. And yes I have a crystal clear memory of it to this day. Hope you stayed awake. It's nice to reminisce.


Chad

Image one is the Kenmore Upright I speak of... And the canister.




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Post# 399726 , Reply# 28   10/18/2018 at 15:49 (1,987 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
The Titan T9000

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Post# 399731 , Reply# 29   10/18/2018 at 16:48 (1,987 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
"horrible dusting brush"

I have had at least 3 customers that had the dust brush jam in wrong position causing the wand release button to not latch.All long time Sears customers buying the 'best'and having a 'horrible'problem that they could not fix in their home.

Post# 399740 , Reply# 30   10/18/2018 at 21:21 (1,987 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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Those Titans look like the 3rd gen Kenmore Progressive suction unit and hose from Panasonic. The first looks like it has the Ultraplush nozzle currently sold with the Elite canister at Sears. The second power nozzle looks like the Panasonic/Centec CT20DXQD that was used on 2nd and 3rd gen Progressives and the orange/lime canisters, yet it appears to be fitted with LED headlights instead. I did not know that power nozzle was still being made, it's not used on the latest Kenmores.

None of the current Kenmores use that dusting brush either, it was only used with the 3rd gen Progressives. I have one and could never get used to that brush. The dusting brush currently used with the Elite canisters is much smaller and has thicker bristles and I've been considering getting one for my Progressive since it will fit that style hose end.


Post# 399752 , Reply# 31   10/19/2018 at 09:05 (1,987 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
But, Chad............................

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How a little more detail?? I mean, really. lolol
I, too, remember Sears when it was on top.
I loved Sears paint.
My late brother had SEARS everything! Lady Kenmore laundry set, Craftsman tractor, everything.
A shame about it all. Now, both my brother AND Sears, gone..................


Post# 399760 , Reply# 32   10/19/2018 at 14:31 (1,986 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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I was ecstatic when Sears converted their Canadian Simpsons-Sears stores to real American-style Sears stores. During its history in Canada, Sears became my “go-to” place for lots of things, especially Levis jeans and Jockey underwear. But it was their vacuum departments that outshone everything else! I finally got to see the full line of Kenmores and Hoovers that everyone south of the border could buy! Even Eurekas and Electroluxes were there for the buying. I bought three of our best vacs there: Kenmore “Elegance” (Progressive) Power Nozzle canister, Hoover Ultra Self-Propelled WindTunnel upright and the Hoover Platinum Bagged upright. That is besides all the bags and belts and attachments bought over the years.

Now we Canadians are limited to seeing Dysons and Mieles and Rowentas at The Bay department store and Best Buy. Our options have been cut down by 50% with the closure of Sears Canada.


Post# 399800 , Reply# 33   10/20/2018 at 04:14 (1,986 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        
A few things to remember about Sears...

Sears grew into the behemoth it was during the post World War II years with it's baby boom and the economic boom that coincided. With the newfound income giving rise to a prosperity few had ever really known before, suburbanization became the manifestation of it. As people poured into the green suburbs into new, bigger homes, people suddenly needed more tools to deal with it all. As the suburbs grew at warp speed, almost overnight people needed to buy mowers, washing machines, dishwashers, air conditioners, etc. Sears was advantagaeously positioned to provide all of this. It was already a large, well known merchandiser, but it was during the 1950's-1960's that they truly blossomed into the retailer of choice for the booming middle class. They rode the wave of suburbanization to become the largest retailer on earth. They offered high quality merchandise to the newly grown middle class at reasonable prices. Their subcontracting was also taken with care as they used only large high quality manufacturers to make it. Kenmore was mostly made by Whirlpool for example and they used durable companies to make most of their outdoor equipment lineup. People associated Sears predominately as a "tool" provider, and this would later come back to haunt them.

Sears remained entrenched in this position until the 1980's. New competitors came to the forefront and one in particular sucked the wind out of everyone else's sails. The rise of Walmart surprised many retailers and many were caught with their pants down as Walmart's aggressive business practices decimated formerly dominant companies. Sears had been able to survive most competitors, although they also ceded ground to Kmart and others. Other competitors such as Target were able to survive Walmart by specializing their lineups even more and offering merchandise not carried by Walmart.

Sears' attempts to specialize were feeble at best. They tried to press on with what made them truly famous-appliances and tools but it just wasn't enough. How many chain stores are really necessary to sell basically the same merchandise? New competitors arose to sell Sears' specialties. In the end, Sears was unable to offer a unique reason to go into their stores. Anything you could buy at Sears you could get at Home Depot, Lowe's, Best Buy, etc.

Now it looks like the online trend has finally done them in. It's sad but like they say, everything changes. You can't go home again.


Post# 399803 , Reply# 34   10/20/2018 at 08:23 (1,986 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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Chad, that was a fun story to read.

I do not remember getting to go to the vacuum department at Sears that often. Which is a little odd come to think of it, unless we just did not go to Sears often.

I was not with my mom in 1983, when she bought that cream MOL Kenmore Power Mate at Sears that I remember from my childhood.

However, I do remember as a kid, seeing at our Sears Appliance store, a green BOL Kenmore canister for $99 that I wanted so bad. It was very BOL, no covered tools, the little Power Mate that did have a headlight. But I wanted my own Kenmore canister, and I had saved birthday money, but it didn't happen. I did, end up getting a Eureka Mighty Mite though.

I did get to go with my parents to Sears on a night in 1999. By then, it had just opened, a full dept store at the mall. It was a school night, and my dad was getting some tools. Spur of the moment we headed to the vacuum department, but why? My mom saw a Kenmore Whispertone canister, a display model, and we ended up buying it as she had wanted a new one. And I can remember the great new plastic smell it having. The next day at school I couldn't wait to get home and use that new canister. It was a Friday and that afternoon I vacuumed the whole living room with it, using all the attachments.

Eventually, I did get my own Kenmore canister but not until 2012! At the time, Sears listed clearance items on their site. I saw a store 45 minutes away had the TOL red Progressive canister for $191. After about a week the price was $95! A TOL machine for that was a great deal. So that weekend, I drove to that mall, walked in the store, and it was still there. I can remember asking the saleslady if I could try it. So she plugged it into the floor outlet. She was very knowledgable and explained the features as I used it and pointed out all the attachments.

I was so excited that instead of using a cart to put it in, I carried it all the way out. Not without being stopped by security for my receipt. I remember how silly I probably looked, carrying that vacuum across the store.

And later that summer of 2012, I saw the cute lime green BOL Power Mate canister on sale for $99. I had to get one for that price, so I did. Back then there was a reasonable number of customers in the store. The salesman asked which I wanted, I replied "The green one, do you have any left!" Sure do he said as he carried one out of the back on his shoulder. I opened the box, but just because I wanted to hear what the motor sounded like. That one I never used so it still sits in the box 6 years later.

Is there room for one last new Kenmore vacuum purchase? I guess we will see. I'm interested in the Crossover Elite upright. Maybe.


Post# 399809 , Reply# 35   10/20/2018 at 11:08 (1,986 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        
Goodnight sweet Prince

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This has been "happening" for 30 years . I wish they would just get it over with!


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