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Are Elites Valuable Now?
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Post# 398556   9/21/2018 at 22:16 (2,042 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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An Elite II just sold for $150 on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Hoover-...

I remember being able to find these for $15, and passing most of them up. I figured they were so common (aside from the late 80s models), I'd never see the day where Elites sold for serious amounts of cash.


Post# 398559 , Reply# 1   9/22/2018 at 00:06 (2,042 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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Sometimes people get desperate and will pay the prices. That's one of the first tools on board models and looks to be early complete and in good shape, so it could be a little more desirable to the right person.

Personally I wouldn't pay over $20 for any Elite.

Ebay has gotten really high with the prices the last few years. Best to stick with thrift stores.


Post# 398570 , Reply# 2   9/22/2018 at 08:42 (2,041 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Hoover Elites belong in the TRASH where they should have gone off the assembly line. I threw away thousands of those horrible, dust belching monsters.

Post# 398573 , Reply# 3   9/22/2018 at 08:56 (2,041 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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Agreed. The price of early Elites may be climbing a bit because most of them were put at the curb 15 or 20 years ago with broken fan housings. They were never Hoover's best work, and compared to the venerable Convertible were pretty sad in terms of build quality. They were loud, and I think the only thing worse in the way of an Oreck clone was the Eureka Bravo.
And yes, in regards to getting a vintage vac on eBay at a "fair" price well yes that ship has sailed a long time ago. You need to have DEEP pockets and be willing to bid the sky's the limit if it's something you truly want.


Post# 398574 , Reply# 4   9/22/2018 at 09:04 (2,041 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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I do still see some machines going for cheap prices. There was a Hoover Slimline and Convertible from one seller just recently with really low starting bids. They needed a little TLC, but they were definitely affordable, and no one even bid on them for some reason.

Generally, people like what was around when they were a kid. If you were young in the 90s or early 2000s, you might have a soft spot for Elites and Bravos. I kind of do, but not enough to want to collect them, as I prefer other machines. And yes, there will probably be those in the future that want to collect Bissells from Walmart and Dyson stick vacs, even if we don't want any.


Post# 398579 , Reply# 5   9/22/2018 at 09:48 (2,041 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
Investing


For my retirement. Ten to fifteen years from now....

If I buy a pallet NEW today..... Then: $250 each, or Bitcoin, or whatever

Of course it will include free shipping, or drone delivery....


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Post# 398584 , Reply# 6   9/22/2018 at 10:28 (2,041 days old) by kenkart ()        
Im sorry but

A Elite is NOT a vintage vacuum or will it ever be a collectable vacuum, Its a plastivac, it and a Eureka Bravo were some of the cheapest junk ever built....When I joined the VCCC in 1994 , we had a guideline for vintage....it had to be made before 1960, as for me I still hold to that..I realize we have younger guys now who do collect these things, and that's ok, but they are not vintage..

Post# 398585 , Reply# 7   9/22/2018 at 10:30 (2,041 days old) by kenkart ()        
I have a bunch

Of those newer uprights I got from Mike Hays, I AM going to get rid of them, Elites, Innovations, etc

Post# 398587 , Reply# 8   9/22/2018 at 10:46 (2,041 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
actually....


What constitutes "vintage"? It has to be a floating year-based definition.
In automobile history, for example, a "classic car" is something that's 25 years old.
While we personally may not like a type of vac., we can't be inconsiderate of a generation.
Believe it or not, an Elite is Vintage.

My first new car, a 1989 Ford Escort, is vintage and nearly 30 years old. Wow, haven't seen one of those on the road any time recently.

An Electrolux Model G is an "antique". I guess I am too. lol


Post# 398589 , Reply# 9   9/22/2018 at 10:50 (2,041 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
kenkart


You might want to hold onto them. In five years you may realize they've turned into a treasure chest.

If future generations get used to the idea that robotic vacuums are the norm, and no reason to believe they won't; than any type of hand operated vacuum will be looked at as rare or classic.


Post# 398605 , Reply# 10   9/22/2018 at 15:34 (2,041 days old) by Kloveland (Tulsa)        

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I think it's up to the individual what is considered collectable. I was seven years old when that model was introduced and to me it's collectable. So let's us younger folks collect what we want! 😆

Post# 398608 , Reply# 11   9/22/2018 at 16:35 (2,041 days old) by broomvac (N/A)        

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Some think it is absurd to collect Hoover Elites. Me...I think it’s absurd to collect vacuums, period. But, I do it anyways. 😝

Sarcasm aside, I have never understood why some will belittle others on this site for what they like. What’s that going to accomplish? Alienating yourself from younger collectors?

Personally, I like Hoover Elites.


Post# 398609 , Reply# 12   9/22/2018 at 16:53 (2,041 days old) by myvacsrock (USA)        
A Elite is NOT a vintage vacuum or will it ever be a collect

...Yes, let's deny the passage of time.

Once upon a time a Hoover 700 series was new, too.



Post# 398614 , Reply# 13   9/22/2018 at 22:35 (2,041 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Well, they came out in 1988

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According to Mr. Dick Pike, they "couldn't make them fast enough". They were never intended to 'replace' our beloved Convertible. My aunt bought one 21 years ago. It is STILL working, only needing a few belts, bulbs, genuine paper bags.
It proves that if you take care of your stuff, it SHOULD last. I have NIB in addition to about 6-7 others, one coming from the vault.
As far as "vintage", I think Sonny and Cher put it best when they sang, "History has turned a page, uhuh".


Post# 398660 , Reply# 14   9/23/2018 at 20:23 (2,040 days old) by kenkart ()        
Well

I never intended to be offensive,but I am blunt most of the time, let me say it like this, I do OWN a bunch of post 1970 vacuums, but to me they are just good machines to use, the post 1980 stuff is , to ME, not much, the quality was gone by this time.If anyone likes them, have at it, I will be having a mini meet next year and I hope everyone who likes that kind of stuff will come because I hope to thin out many of the uprights and some of the canisters,Most of the newer stuff was inherited from Mike Hays.


Post# 398665 , Reply# 15   9/23/2018 at 22:27 (2,040 days old) by Vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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I think in the next 5 to 10 years Hoover Elites will be collectible.
Because they are bad.

A great example of this is lewyt vacuums are horrible, but now are highly collectible!
We are also now seening fhantom vacuums going for absurd prices even though they're complete junk.
THE YOUNGER GENERATION DOESN'T KNOW HOW BAD SOME OF THE 1990'S VACUUMS REALLY ARE!


Post# 398671 , Reply# 16   9/23/2018 at 22:43 (2,040 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
junk



When one thinks about it, most people don't collect anything because they NEED a quality ________. The value is in the memories that possessing a certain something represents. Oh, we can talk up how "good" something was and blather on about inane technical specs, but really....

Such is the human psyche. We constantly refer to the past by default and only begrudgingly accept something new, but only if it makes connecting with the past easier.

Seriously, a Fantom vacuum going for $$$ ?
About 8 years ago I could barely give away one of those.


Post# 398682 , Reply# 17   9/24/2018 at 07:19 (2,039 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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If an Elite is collectable, then we might as well take me to the nursing home and feed me mashed peas...

Elites were never anything more than a cheaply made noisebox. I've probably thrown away hundreds that were trade ins...

Some people really have more money than brains...


Post# 398683 , Reply# 18   9/24/2018 at 07:22 (2,039 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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"People tend to like the vacuums they grew up with"
Dry out that line and you can fertilize the garden with it! Myself, and many collectors my age wont have anything to do with these dust belchers! I would rather collect something I can actually use, like an Elextrolux G or a Hoover 150.


Post# 398685 , Reply# 19   9/24/2018 at 08:34 (2,039 days old) by kenkart ()        
re lewyts are bad

Not hardly, Lewyts were some of the best designed vacuums ever made, their power nozzle models had a bad track record but the straight suction machines were as good if not better than anything on the market, especially the big wheel models.


Post# 398686 , Reply# 20   9/24/2018 at 08:51 (2,039 days old) by Kloveland (Tulsa)        
Young or Old

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I don't see us having vacuum equality in the forseeable future. Age is not a determining factor and I never should've implied it is one. It really has to do with person's personality and posting online seems to manifest the worst in people at least in the vacuum collecting community. For example I don't think the Hoover uprights from the 40s were all that attractive in all brown. But then again that was the time period. But I don't go out of my way to tell people that. I don't understand all the negativity!

Yes. The Hoover Elite series was probably designed to be a throwaway vacuum. They are not as durable as a 150 or even the 1076. I get that! I have only two Elites in my collection and treasure them as I do with most of the vacuums in my collection. I will sell a few on eBay when my collection becomes too large. But generally my core collection stays the same. There are vacuums in my collection that I would never get rid of. Although some have all ready summed me up and think I would. 😒. I wish that we could put ourselves in the shoes of other collectors before judging!




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Post# 398687 , Reply# 21   9/24/2018 at 08:54 (2,039 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I've seen people go nuts for Lewyts

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Especially if they are in good condition..
That wiring flaw was a horrible instance, but...................
Trust me, (or don't): I certainly agree that Elites are plastic, loud, etc. however.......................... they clean well, have fewer parts than a lot of other machines, the onboard tools, ..................
But, give me a Convertible any day.
And, yes, the Hoover 150 was/is a superlative machine, thought to be 'over engineered' . But, they. like most metal vacs, stand the test of time.


Post# 398697 , Reply# 22   9/24/2018 at 13:20 (2,039 days old) by kenkart ()        
I think we all

Have our opinions, sometimes I can be more forceful than I ought..Usually if I like something I love it and if I don't I hate it, Elites and Bravos, Regina Housekeepers and Dirt Devils were machines I remember new, I worked on many of them,that is why I hate them, just as I hate most 1980s cars, the quality simply was not there, that being said,I really don't like MOST products made in the 80s, to my mind, the best upright made in the 80s was a Panasonic, I remember working in a vac shop in Boone NC in 82 and 83 and selling Panasonic Jet Flo uprights new, yes they were made of the dreaded plastic, but the fit and finish was wonderful, they ran quietly and gave virtually no trouble..their IS a reason I hate Elites and Bravos, Its kind of like comparing a Miele to a Regina Housekeeper..But IF anyone likes them, I certainly wont give you a hard time over it, I probably have a lot of stuff you would think is worthless, and if you said so I wouldn't get mad over it...

Post# 398698 , Reply# 23   9/24/2018 at 14:34 (2,039 days old) by GREGVACS28 (U.S.)        
The cool thing


about everyone liking different things is there isn't as much competition.
If we respect each others right to collect whatever we want, all is good.




Post# 398699 , Reply# 24   9/24/2018 at 14:37 (2,039 days old) by GREGVACS28 (U.S.)        



OK I have a medical need to be snarky sometimes so here it goes:
"... their power nozzle models had a bad track record but ...."

This is a nice way of saying "sure certain models may have killed some people, but what's the big deal? It happens." lol  wink


Post# 398701 , Reply# 25   9/24/2018 at 14:57 (2,039 days old) by Kloveland (Tulsa)        

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I get it though. In the future some may think the current bagless Bissells at Walmart are collectable. I just remember seeing the Elites, Powermax and Singer twin fans when I was younger in WalMart.

Post# 398710 , Reply# 26   9/24/2018 at 20:26 (2,039 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana)        

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Vacuums become collectable for different reasons. It can be nostalgia, limited production, rarity, word of mouth, or someone just likes the styling.

In the 1990's, a 1960's vacuum was only 30 years old. Now a 1960's vacuum is well over 50 years old nearing 60. Same thing for 1990's vacuums. A vacuum from 1990 is 28 years old now, the same amount of time that considered a 1960's vacuum in 1990 vintage. Time moves on, things get older, and they get moved into the vintage category as the years tick over.

For me, anything older than 20 years is vintage. Anything less than 10 years old is modern. That's pretty much how things are classified now.


Post# 398728 , Reply# 27   9/25/2018 at 01:02 (2,039 days old) by kenkart ()        
Of course...I was born in 65!

So I can barely remember my Aunt getting a new tan G in 68, I was 3 but I remember it, She had a Sunbeam before that...LOL I remember Swivel top GEs NEW in the stores, Regina Brush and Beats NEW,,,granted, I WAS very young but I remember them...The big downtown Belks store in Charlotte had EVERYTHING Hoover made! I saw it all in the 70s!So 80s stuff is new to me.

Post# 398730 , Reply# 28   9/25/2018 at 01:22 (2,039 days old) by GREGVACS28 (U.S.)        
plastic stuff is always new


yeah, I don't know why but in my mind plastic stuff is always "new". I've seen weather beaten, large, faded, cracked, plastic storage bins over flowing with brown water and moss sitting at the curb and my automatic thought is- Oh, that doesn't look too old. clean it up and.....

Metal stuff can be shiny and fresh but it will still never be new. Give me an Electrolux model G in top condition- it's nice but it's not new. If it has a few dents and a few smudges on that chrome- well, it's only a few steps from the recycle bin. yeah.

Don't know what that is.


Post# 398731 , Reply# 29   9/25/2018 at 01:31 (2,039 days old) by kenkart ()        
I think you hit it

And I hate almost anything NEW!!! I wont cook on a stove unless its 50 plus years old, all my cookware, appliances etc are 40 to 70 years old etc...I really have a phobia about new stuff, I equate plastic with cheap junk...

Post# 398737 , Reply# 30   9/25/2018 at 03:19 (2,038 days old) by GREGVACS28 (U.S.)        
This is so INTERESTING


Hans, I hadn't really ever thought consciously about this before, though it's been a motivating force, for sure.

One thing is for sure: we like what we like because of traits we associate with the material. It doesn't matter if the facts we believe about the material are true or not.

I rather detest metal objects because metal is associated with rusting, being old, uneducated, old dark color exhaust belching cars and trains, being associate with ignorant oppressive thoughts, heavy, dirty steel mills, filthy pot-belly stoves, greasy, grimy, smoking and tobacco use, alcoholism, dirty, cut your hands, rusty leaking metal septic tanks, freezing, smelly..... generally yuck. Who Wants that?

On the flip side- I much WANT plastic type things. Plastic is clean, lite weight, colored, flexible, educated, warm, comes in many forms, cushiony and soft, etc. Plastic is a vacation on a sandy beach (vs. metal is freezing sub zero Buffalo, NY winter) Plastic is electronic products and a-a-a-all that that covers. Plastic is healthy eating and progressive thoughts.

The facts? That 60 year old stove you have to cook on, I've no doubt it has plastic parts in it. And the car I drive- it's sure to have lots of plastic parts but the frame and engine is metal. The vacuums you like may have a metal body, but the cord, and handles, and hose, and the paint finish- those are all plastic or a plastic-type material. My computer- It sure has it's fair share of plastic parts, but the frame is a metal box. All the wires and circuitry are metals.

It's interesting for sure.
Then one could ask; how does one feel about wood product, or products made from sea shells, glass, etc.

And how did we come to associate things with these materials?
Was there a subliminal ad campaign that snuck by? Is it generational?

I mean I grew up in the 70s when metal was in it's hey day, shall we say. There were lots of junky metal products. The 80s were seen as fresh and plastic was certainly taking over. Maybe that's what it is.


Post# 398740 , Reply# 31   9/25/2018 at 04:34 (2,038 days old) by kenkart ()        
I actually have 2 stoves I use

A 59 Westinghouse and a 65 Frigidaire, I do drive a car that is older but not ancient, a 2003 Grand Marquis Mercury, if money was no object my daily driver would be a DeSoto or Chrysler with fins and pushbuttons, I use a Hotpoint washer and dryer...1982 models....I had to laugh...I would take COLD COLD COLD winter as a vacation than a sweaty sticky hot beach,,,LOL, Metal is solid, it dents but rarely breaks, it can be re painted over and over, plastic to me is fragile, it melts and breaks, true,the plastics of today are improved over many older versions, this is interesting ..I never thought of WHY people like certain things, Like, to me , nothing drives like a 50s or 60s Chrysler product..If you got in one you might despise it, the power steering to me, does what it should, the wheel can be turned with one finger, even sitting still, in other words there is NO road feel...I don't NEED to feel the road, I don't depend on steering wheel feed back to know how to drive I like smooth effortless handling, most people today want stiffly sprung suspension and stiff steering..I don't.but I hate bucket seats too...lol


Post# 398742 , Reply# 32   9/25/2018 at 04:43 (2,038 days old) by kenkart ()        
as for healthy eating

lol, you might not like my old fashioned Southern cooking...I use butter, lard and fat back...I believe in cooking as close to the way they did in the 50s, I make almost everything from scratch,,,bread, biscuits , pie crust, I use lard in pie crusts because nothing makes as good a crust, but,,,i use olive oil for much also, but I cook vegetables to the Southern degree of doneness, green beans get about an hour with some good fat back or a chunk of ham, I make homemade biscuits or cornbread every meal, and always have dessert, usually pound cake, or some kind of pie,rhubarb, apple, peach, strawberry, chocolate, lemon or cocoanut,i do cook a balanced meal, example would be, meatloaf, green beans, mac and cheese, the old fashioned baked kind,maybe cole slaw, always have bbq slaw made, that's a NC thing.its really interesting why we live as we do!

Post# 398743 , Reply# 33   9/25/2018 at 06:31 (2,038 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Plastics as clean??????They contain and require all kinds of TOXIC chemicals in the manufacture.Metals require LESS of this.They do require HEAT to make or form them-which does use energy.Come to think of it molding plastics requires in some cases MORE energy than machining or cold forming metals.And of course metals are MORE long term durable than plastics.Plastics degrade--metals does note esp if stored and used under proper conditions.Will a plastic vacuum like what you get today be useable 50 yrs from now??Metal ones cane be!!

Post# 398752 , Reply# 34   9/25/2018 at 12:15 (2,038 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles)        

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Plastic products are a more obvious result of the "planned obsolescence" scheme. This idea was born in its clearest form in the 1950s, put forth by industrial designer Brooks Stevens, famous in our corner for his beautifully styled Modern Hygiene vacuum cleaner. (See link.)

 

Manufacturers have always had the goal of persuading people that "old is bad, new is good" so consumers would buy, buy buy. However, there was a time when products, including household products, were "made to last." When your quality-built vacuum cleaner broke down, you'd take it to a vacuum cleaner repair shop.

 

That's not the case any longer. Now, most products are cheaply made, usually overseas in hideous sweatshops using inferior materials -- including, yes, plastic. Now, when your vacuum cleaner breaks down, you throw it in the trash and go to WalMart and get another piece of plastic junk that, if you're lucky, will last six months. Yes, there are still vacuum cleaner repair shops but their numbers are far fewer than even 30 years ago.



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Post# 398757 , Reply# 35   9/25/2018 at 15:56 (2,038 days old) by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        
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Anyone paying $150 for an old Elite needs the Minogue treatment! 

 

They're fun machines, but I wouldn't pay that even for more rare and desirable machines! I have a couple of Elite machines in my collection, but thy were also given to me, and cost next to nothing to get fixed up nice.


Post# 398763 , Reply# 36   9/25/2018 at 17:30 (2,038 days old) by kenkart ()        
My main issue with them

Is the noise factor, Kind of like a mid 60s Hotpoint dishwasher...it sounds like a chainsaw running.

Post# 398770 , Reply# 37   9/25/2018 at 21:02 (2,038 days old) by bnorris938 (Indiana)        
Anything becomes collectible if you wait long enough....

As a kid growing up in the 90’s, I vividly remember my cousin getting a Hoover Elite Dual Purpose vacuum. I was mad with jealousy. To hell with our filter queen and Electrolux! I wanted what my rich family with the in ground pool and new Chevy Astro EXT had just bought for their new vacuum.

And then, Mrs. Doubtfire was released and that iconic scene of her dancing with an Elite (vacuuming carpet with the on-board hose inserted in the attachment port 😵) just sealed it. Of course, my mother would hear none of it. And the longing eventually subsided. But one day last winter, I popped into Sans Souci and there it was....Mrs. Doubtfire’s Hoover Elite. Best $16 I’ve ever spent!

I think there are those who collect just for the sake of collecting. And if that’s your thing, mazel tov! But I find that I collect vacuums that I remember from childhood. Those that beloved family members had and I was fascinated with as a small child. And sometimes, those that featured prominently in movies where Robin Williams plays a nanny en travesti...


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Post# 398773 , Reply# 38   9/25/2018 at 21:36 (2,038 days old) by GREGVACS28 (U.S.)        
bnorris


Cute and communal story.

It's for the reasons you pointed out that you would no doubt not be interested in the vacuums I grew up with, or perhaps even vacuums people of your similar age group grew up with. It's all about what was significant to each person at a certain time in their life.

When I first came out of the 'appliance loving' closet and decided to flaunt my appliance proclivities with the world, I discovered there were others like myself. I also discovered that they had their own brands and models that were important to them. I couldn't imagine wanting an old vacuum from the 1930s or something. But I knew the brands I liked and didn't care if other vacuum lovers made fun of them.

Well, as a society, we've evolved. I don't think in say 1980 that there was a vacuum cleaner club, so vacuum lovers had to keep their hoards and interests hidden.

 

Soon, we'll have vacuum marriage equality, where people will be able to have a committed relationship with the vacuum of their choice, perhaps even several at the same time. laughing  A blended relationship may acquire new meaning as between say..... a beige Hoover Celebrity, a dark blue Eureka Mighty Mite, a male, and a tranvestite.  Life goals. 


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