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Post# 398460   9/19/2018 at 20:19 (2,044 days old) by minnow (Napa CA)        

Good evening,
I recently acquired a handsome little Eureka 616D, with 1 peak HP, off of Ebay (late 70's or early 80's is my guess). As I await delivery, burning questions develop:
-Are the attachments fairly universal between all the Eureka canisters, or do they change with each model, decade, size?
-I see a lot of Eureka "upright conversion sets" on Ebay. Will the attachments (like the dusting brush) fit on the end of the hose of my 616D canister?
-I see some Eurekas have up to 4 HP... Is my 1 HP sufficient to do the job? (This vacuum has no "power head")

Thanks very much, I really appreciate any input.
Mike


Post# 398464 , Reply# 1   9/19/2018 at 21:20 (2,044 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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To answer your questions....

1. Yes, most Eureka attachments have had the same diameter and profile over the decades from at least 1955 to 1995.
2. The common 60D upright attachment set has tools that would connect to all the Eureka hoses and wands of those 4 decades. But the hose will only connect to the pan converter for use with Eureka uprights only.
3. The 616 model number indicates one of those Eureka budget models made to sell in KMart stores, I think. I would not expect it to clean more than surface dust and dirt on all household furnishings. If you have carpeting, best to team up your little canister with a matching Eureka Dial-a-Nap upright to deep clean your carpets.


Post# 398479 , Reply# 2   9/20/2018 at 01:55 (2,043 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
Picture please

picture ? :-) of your 616D

Post# 398490 , Reply# 3   9/20/2018 at 14:20 (2,043 days old) by minnow (Napa CA)        
thanks, and here is a photograph

Exactly what I needed to know. I already own an old Hoover Decade 80 upright to get the carpet with, so I am covered. Kinda wish I had a big-rig vintage Eureka power head canister, or a Wards... which leads me to another important question: are the Eureka power heads belt driven? I am not much enjoying the hunt for (Hoover convertible) belts that hold up reasonably well, and, ultimately, would like to acquire a power head canister vacuum that is not belt driven.

thanks, Mike


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Post# 398494 , Reply# 4   9/20/2018 at 15:19 (2,043 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
Looks great

Thanks for sharing.

That looks like it's in terrific shape for it's age. It would be good to see pics on the bottom and inside as well.
These are prone to rust if not taken care of. Over the years, if people scratched these accidentally, the scratches could get rusty. Then there are those that stored them in damp basements and they start to rust ..... anywhere.
But your's looks almost new.

A pn that doesn't use a belt? There may be some new stuff.....
Traditional stuff, at least a period power nozzle that Eurkea made when this vac was made would use a non-geared belt, unfortunately.

Getting a power nozzle that uses a geared belt is the way to go. You could possibly even try adding a pn to this canister, but you'd have to put a small plug on the front, get a hose with electric wires (or attach a hose cord to the hose), and chose your power nozzle.

Would you be open to a geared Kenmore from around the same time this Vac was made? How about a Hoover Quadraflex, though it's not geared, it's reconditioned?



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Post# 398497 , Reply# 5   9/20/2018 at 15:45 (2,043 days old) by minnow (Napa CA)        
really helpful input, thanks (+ more pics)

Intriguing idea... hmmm! However, I have become totally devoted to Eureka in a very short time. I like everything about them. This vacuum cleaner interest started only a month ago, when the belt on my Hoover upright broke. I started looking at brand new vacuum cleaners at Target. NO THANKS. They are all plastic junk, really sad. I started pondering the good ol' brown WARDS power head canister vacuum my old girlfriend had in the 80's, and how much abuse it took from a houseful of kiddies, cats, etc. and kept running (I am the only one who ever used it). I now realize it was made by Eureka. I'd really like to hold out for one like that. Maybe I am trying to bring back my youth or something, but I really want one.



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Post# 398498 , Reply# 6   9/20/2018 at 15:56 (2,043 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
Gem

Wow, that is so clean.

"...Maybe I am trying to bring back my youth ..." I think we've all been there.

I respect your wanting to be official.

Here's on on Bonanza. The hose may need some work, though that's not impossible.
They also have it listed (for less) on Ebay

I also saw a rotomatic power nozzle and hose that would fit your current vac. Just plug and play, shall we say. It would need a serious bath and possibly some maintenance, but for less than $100.....


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Post# 398499 , Reply# 7   9/20/2018 at 16:17 (2,043 days old) by minnow (Napa CA)        
and... HERE IT IS... "big brown" Eureka1756B

I was looking at that brown one earlier, Gregsvac, but then I found a slightly newer one that is spot-on like the one in my imagination. As I wrote my last post, the Ebay seller went for my "best offer" of $80.
This big brown rig is going to be mine. (what am I doing buying all these vacuums??? No, I don't regret it; I just don't know how I am going to EXPLAIN it)

Click the link and scroll down to see the original eBay ad

wow, I hope it makes it in one piece





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Post# 398505 , Reply# 8   9/20/2018 at 16:41 (2,043 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
even better still


Looks great. Has a headlight which would be a requirement for me.

I hope the hose is as good as it looks.

Keep us up to date once it arrives.


Post# 398507 , Reply# 9   9/20/2018 at 16:51 (2,043 days old) by minnow (Napa CA)        
one more question

Please look at this auction; these would fit, right? Is it normal for the crevice tool to be notched like that?

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Post# 398508 , Reply# 10   9/20/2018 at 16:53 (2,043 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        

yes, thats to keep from starving the vacuum of suction .... and causing the bag to explode.

Post# 398509 , Reply# 11   9/20/2018 at 16:57 (2,043 days old) by gregvacs28 (U.S.)        
also just FYI


The wand with the bend in it shown in the sale of the vacuum, is not part of that vacuum.


Post# 398525 , Reply# 12   9/20/2018 at 22:15 (2,043 days old) by minnow (Napa CA)        
interesting

Thanks for all the education, it certainly cleared up the questions that were keeping me awake last night.

Will post pics as soon as the machines start rolling in


Post# 398527 , Reply# 13   9/20/2018 at 23:35 (2,042 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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The upholstery nozzle is missing a brush strip. If you are looking to buy one of those Eureka upright attachment kits to get some new tools, be sure to get the later pure white attachment set to match your Princess canister. Some of the earlier sets from the early 1970’s have cream coloured or beige attachments.

Your canister also has a spot to store a bare floor brush on board...you may need to do some hunting on EBay, but a white Eureka bare floor brush with integrated neck can be found to complete your tool set.

The typeface used for the brandname on the handle would date this green Eureka to about 1985. It’s unfortunate that the plastic Eureka used at the time can turn yellow over the years...as is evidenced by the discolored carpet nozzle and hose handle. These would have originally been pure white plastic. If you get a brand new in box upright 60D tool set, you may be able to easily screw on a new white hose handle from the set.


Post# 398529 , Reply# 14   9/21/2018 at 01:21 (2,042 days old) by minnow (Napa CA)        
brush strips

Drat. Was eyeing with suspicion that brush-less upholstery tool; now I know the score. Thanks. I have seen so many "naked" used Eureka upholstery tools on eBay that I was starting to think some were just manufactured that way.

Are brush strips to be had anywhere? Do they glue in, or slide in? We have two vac shops in town, I wonder if they could pop something in. Or maybe I could fabricate something from the hardware store. It is important to me to have a good upholstery tool, with a brush on the stiffer side. Indeed, dusty upholstery is one of the main reasons I am switching over to a canister-style vacuum.

Enlightening about the floor brush... (you are referring to the green 616D, I take it.) I assumed that the on-board space was to put the regular floor tool in. Can the regular floor tool that comes with the 616D be used with success on bare floors?



Post# 398532 , Reply# 15   9/21/2018 at 07:08 (2,042 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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The slot can be used either for the carpet nozzle or the floor brush...it’s a place to store one while you are using the other. I’d recommend getting the brush for floors as the carpet nozzle does not have any wheels to prevent it from scratching bare floors.

Indeed, I think the brush strip for the upholstery nozzle just snaps in...but why bother when you can get a brand new set of white Eureka tools on eBay for about $20? Look for Eureka Attachment Set 60D.

Some old vac shops may also have old stock of original Eureka attachments....try calling around!

Pretty Princess you got there! Enjoy!


Post# 398535 , Reply# 16   9/21/2018 at 08:32 (2,042 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
"The upholstery nozzle is missing a brush strip."

This would have been correct on basic models.As Eureka went from standard to deluxe models features were added such as-- bristle on upholstery nozzle,floor brush added,tool racks,dusting from round to square,longer cords,cord wrap hooks,cordwinders,check bag signal,suction control on hose or vac,blower connection,etc.
Upright attachment kits are a great way to find many of the canister atts with little or no use.


Post# 398547 , Reply# 17   9/21/2018 at 13:49 (2,042 days old) by minnow (Napa CA)        
ah, so missing bristles not necessarily an act of vandalism

Maybe no bristles was the Kmart corner-cutting. Who blames them? Think it's a neat concept: a budget, yet 1st class all-the-way, little steel machine.

Is she technically a Princess? I will have to learn about Princesses. I like it because it looks like my beloved late granpa's '73 Buick Electra: exact same metallic green with a white Landau top.

I bought the set of tools that I linked to in reply #9... looks ok, and the price was good. It includes floor brush, and I spy the brush strip peeking out of the upholstery tool. Yes, the floor brush will be quite useful to me. Strictly speaking, these tools are destined to ride on the 1756B I have coming, but they can be switched on to the 616B if the need, or mood, strikes.

now, the waiting
616 won't be here until October... seller is on vacation
1756B may come next week
ah, the suspense


Post# 398560 , Reply# 18   9/22/2018 at 00:12 (2,041 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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That's a very nice Eureka. Love the shimmery green color, reminds me of a watermelon! I'd have a hard time modding that one, in such good original condition.

Eureka had some very nice power nozzle canisters in the day, seen a few turn up around here. I'd try to find one of those instead, they're more higher end and will make for a nicer experience if you want a PN machine. Although I did find it cute when manufacturers would offer a very small BOL canister mated with a power nozzle.


Post# 398568 , Reply# 19   9/22/2018 at 07:36 (2,041 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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That green and white, so Pretty!!! They really were lovely little machines, nice sound, sturdy.The powerhead models really dug deep. Ahh, nice memories

Post# 398620 , Reply# 20   9/23/2018 at 00:35 (2,040 days old) by minnow (Napa CA)        
thanks

Thanks, Fan-O-Fans, Suckolux, Yes, I can hardly wait to see it face to face. The fact that it comes with the original box is so, hard to explain --satisfying, I guess is the word. I'm afraid that I really have become a little bit obsessed with Eureka canister vacs over the last month. They seem perfect to me. (Though I would do just about anything to own a Hoover Constellation. However, it is kind of a pipe dream because I would want it to be in fairly good condition, with the proper color attachments and tubes, and the Ebay offerings are too expensive for me --for machines that look a little stinky and chewed.)

Fan-O-Fans, I am also waiting for my other Ebay "could not resist" find to come in the mail: a brown Eureka (70's) Roto-Matic Power Head 1756B Canister. It is not as pristine as the little green one, but that's fine because I want it for my "daily driver." Can't wait to vibra-beat2 my carpets!

I have learned alot at Vacuumland this last week. Thanks, all, for the good advice. It is fun browsing the archives here. This causeth me to covet:


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Post# 398790 , Reply# 21   9/26/2018 at 10:32 (2,037 days old) by Kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Wild moss is the official Eureka name for that green color. It was in my opinion the prettiest Eureka color. Believe the date on this was 84 or 85. You will NOT be sorry with this one. I had a hard time parting with her. I'm very glad to know she will be going to a happy home!
Also if you look at the picture on the box they stored the rug tool in the notch on top. This one did not come with a specific floor tool however all the eureka tools are interchangeable and you can get a plain floor tool. These rug/floor tools that come with this are great however can scratch a pretty wood floor.


Post# 398886 , Reply# 22   9/28/2018 at 14:47 (2,035 days old) by minnow (Napa CA)        
small world

Ha! I wonder how far you had to read before you said, "Hey, wait a minute..."

This thread should leave no doubt in your mind; your "80's Princess" is going to be pampered, cherished, obsessed over...

Looking forward to delivery with much anticipation.

Mike V


Post# 399843 , Reply# 23   10/21/2018 at 00:12 (2,012 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
vacuum belts

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Hoover round belts have gotten less reliable over the years unfortunately just like many other things manufactured these days.

For a better belt for your Hoover Decade 80 upright, I would get the Hoover commercial style belt, part number: 044783AG. It uses a slightly softer rubber than the household ones which will last much longer. Also as Hoover Convertible/ Decade uprights are very easy to access the belt on, you can detach the belt on your Hoover upright between uses.


Most anything vacuum that has a revolving brush uses a belt of some sort. The belt provides power from the motor to the brush roll. The exception to this rule were some Kenmore uprights from the early 2000s where the motor was actually in the brush roll. That design did not stay on the market for too many years though and it was a much more pricey upright compared to other Kenmore's at the time.

There are 3 typical belt types:

1. Stretch Belt-- these require high tension to maintain good contact with motor pulley and brush roll. Generally these belts are rubber. There are vacuums with round stretch belts such as your Hoover Decade 80, older Eurekas, newer Sanitaire direct air units and some others. Most vacuums with a stretch belt have a flat belt. The Eureka power team canisters you were looking at would have this style belt. Flat belts generally last a good bit longer than round belts.

The best flat stretch belt came out from Kirby and was textured. It is otherwise known as a gnarled belt. Royal also has gnarled belts for some of their models over the years. Kirby gnarled belts last a very long time and have worked successfully on many power nozzle canister vacs too as a replacement from the OEM of that particular unit.

2. Cogged belts-- Cogged belts are like a geared system. There is a gear patterned on the motor pulley, agitator and belt that all match up. This system is much easier to install belts on than a stretch belt since the connection is tight but not near as tight as a stretch belt configuration. Life is generally very good with these belts. Many vacuums with a cogged/ geared belt had a belt/ motor protection system built in that shuts off the brush if an obstruction is detected. The most common machine that used a cogged belt over the years were Kenmore/ Panasonic canisters of the 1990s with the 14" power nozzles. The power head style was also known as the Cen-Tec CT14DX. That power head also came on later Royal PowerTank canisters, and various central vacuum attachment kits including Hayden and many Nutones. Many Electrolux vacuums over the years are also cogged belt systems.

3. Serpentine belt-- Serpentine belts are the newest technology belt. They used a ribbed system. The ribbed belt has a continuous traction pattern spanning the entire belt. This pattern coincides with a matching traction pattern on the motor pulley and brush roll. Serpentine belts have become very popular on Tacony vacuums and others. Many vacuums from Kenmore and Panasonic from the early 2000s on had serpentine belts. Serpentine belt power nozzles from Kenmore and Panasonic were much quieter running compared to their cogged belt predecessors while offering continued great power too. Like many cogged belts systems, generally a serpentine belt unit does have a motor/ belt protection system which shuts the brush roll motor off if an obstruction is detected.


Sebo/ Windsor is one brand that does come to mind which doesn't use a belt system. Sebo Windsors have a brush roll that easily removes from the vacuum with out needing to touch a belt at all. They are direct drive units and typically are very well built, quiet running vacs. Some collectors, including myself, however don't feel that Sebo/ Windsor vacs deep clean as well as many other vacuums despite their high build quality. These vacuums tend to typically get used in commercial environments for low profile carpet that doesn't require much agitation.

Best of luck to you with your new Eurekas!! I hope that you will continue to expand your collection and come across a variety of power nozzle canisters and uprights to try out.


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Post# 468641 , Reply# 24   1/12/2024 at 12:04 by Paul (USA)        
1967 Q & A - Possible Reason for Eureka Curved Wand/Elbow

I ran in to this Q & A "Consumer Question Box" section of the May 18, 1967, TOLEDO BLADE. Eureka likely used this research or concluded from its own the advantage of the lower end of the wand being parallel with the pile of the carpet and therefore developed the curved wand (which was replaced with an integrated elbow on the floor & wall brush and carpet nozzles circa 1981).

Based on this research, it would seem to me that the curved wand would produce greater airflow than the elbow (possibly one reason the amps were increased during that era).


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