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Thread Number: 36087
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
Bagless cleaners are better than Bagged cleaners. |
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| Post# 386994 3/2/2018 at 08:15 (2,240 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 386996 , Reply# 1 3/2/2018 at 08:22 (2,240 days old) by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia) | ||
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At least you have been cordial towards him Mark in your comments :) I think this guy is just looking for someone to disagree with him. He probably knows that most vacuum collectors will! | ||
| Post# 386998 , Reply# 2 3/2/2018 at 08:29 (2,240 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387000 , Reply# 3 3/2/2018 at 08:42 (2,240 days old) by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia) | ||
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You know the old saying.....you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink! | ||
| Post# 387001 , Reply# 4 3/2/2018 at 08:48 (2,240 days old) by vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387007 , Reply# 5 3/2/2018 at 09:45 (2,240 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
You cannot make the assumption that vacuum collectors as a whole prefer bagged cleaners. Nor can you say that all or most vacuum collectors believe bags are best. That's simply not true. I have over 600 vacuums in my collection, mostly bagged, mostly vintage, but I don't believe bags are best.
I've spent the past two months preparing Stan Kann's vacuum collection for display at the Vacuum Cleaner Museum. Cleaning out those stinking cloth bags was a nightmare. So much easier to empty a Dyson. I wound up using the world's first, and best bagless vacuum - the Rainbow - to clean the cloth vacuum bags. No dust, no smell, and emptying it got no dust on me. I put the Rainbow back as clean as I put away my dishes. I so dislike vacuum bags (cloth or paper) that I have a Vacuflo central vac at home - no bags and no loss of suction. Since it's a commercial model, it holds 30 gallons of dirt - emptying it once a year is a simple and easy process. Half the vacuums in my home vacuum collection (in rotation - a vacuum 'of the week') are bagless machines. One of my favorite is my Eureka Ultra Whirlwind from 2002. Of course, the Dyson DC17 Absolute, made only for the USA, is another outstanding performer. Standing in corner is that stinking Kirby. Because I use it only once every six months or so, it ALWAYS stinks like dog hair. I throw away the Electrolux bag after each use - same thing - bags stink. I gave away my Miele Gemini because I couldn't stand to throw $5 in the trash (the Miele bag) after each use. The Miele always stunk worse than the Kirby. For the entire history of vacuum cleaners, the filtration system has been the one thing (problem) that was never solved as a final design. Electric portable vacuums were only about 10 years old when Mr. Reploggle invented the HEPA filtration 14 layer cellulose bag for the wonderful Air-Way. 15 years later, Rexair did away with the bag entirely. Filter Queen even got on the bandwagon with two-ply cellulose filter cones. Single ply cellulose bags were invented in 40's for 'regular' vacuums. 4 ply Lux bags were invented in the 50's. That was about it until Dyson made cyclonic filtration popular. | ||
| Post# 387011 , Reply# 6 3/2/2018 at 09:59 (2,240 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Post# 387012 , Reply# 7 3/2/2018 at 11:31 (2,239 days old) by kloveland  (Tulsa) |
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 One thing is true though with bagless and bagged machines having animals sure stinks them up! When I clean for my grandparents who have two big labs I almost always prefer using a bagged vacuum. I own a Dyson DC 17 (I agree it’s a good cleaner, probably the best Dyson) with which I’ve thoroughly cleaned the cyclones after purchasing it used. Dust/dirt does stay inside the cyclones which causes odor. I usually blow the cyclones out with an air compressor after using it at my grandparents, which is time consuming because I don’t want my vacuum to smell like a dog. Personally, I’d rather put in a clean bag than have to worry about my bagless vacuums stinking later with the imbedded dirt that sticks to the cyclones or other separation device which will cause odor. Some of the cheaper bagless vacuums such as the Bissells are nice because all the parts can be washed and they are not that complicated to take apart and clean. Although, most Bissells products that I have used don’t filter that well. | ||
| Post# 387018 , Reply# 8 3/2/2018 at 13:45 (2,239 days old) by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia) | ||
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@dysonman1 Regarding vacuum cleaner bags stinking, i've never had that problem. Some people's dirt must be stinkier than others.... :) | ||
| Post# 387037 , Reply# 10 3/2/2018 at 17:50 (2,239 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
JohnnyL8 is getting more and more aggressive trying to annoy people. It's very obvious because he sees peoples reactions to his videos.
What will eventually happen is that his own videos starts to turn against himself. Many well known vacuum channels have already blocked him for a good reason. So let's stay calm and let him make clown of himself. | ||
| Post# 387052 , Reply# 11 3/2/2018 at 21:07 (2,239 days old) by kirbynut (Alva OK) | ||
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Ok I watched the video and now my brain hurts. Even on a reply that is a complement this guy is downright mean. | ||
| Post# 387189 , Reply# 13 3/4/2018 at 11:16 (2,237 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX) | ||
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The title of this thread made made me laugh as much as the one titled 'd*sons are the best on the planet'. I never wasted time looking at the videos and could guess immediately how the two threads are related. I already know what 'POS' stands for anyway... | ||
| Post# 387239 , Reply# 16 3/4/2018 at 21:09 (2,237 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio) | ||
Several months ago, I also blocked JohnnyL8
From my YouTube channel. Just so all of you know, he is very inaccurate and has unsubstantiated claims in many of his videos. Some of his charts and graphs are hilariously off. And the biggest clue that he doesn't really understand vacuums:
He has no appreciable understanding of suction versus airflow. If you can't get the basics right, your opinions mean nothing. Bill | ||
| Post# 387250 , Reply# 17 3/5/2018 at 05:57 (2,237 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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Even ibaisaic (Roger) has blocked him.
What makes me upset is that he claims that airflow and suction is meaningless if vacuum cleaner has the right cleaning head design. It's like claiming that the car doesn't need horsepower or torque to perform well. It's all about selecting the right tire type LOL. I asked where he got the data and answer took time. He finally admitted that it's from the Dyson. In that point my last respect was gone. I really don't like how he makes fun of other youtubers tests and all he has is those charts and pictures. They proof nothing. Here is what he said to me: Your tests are not industry standard, rigorous, or at all convincing, unfortunately. There is what is his most used slogans: "best holistic performance across all floor types is now achieved by the best bagless cleaners" "The claim about holistic performance is evidenced by industry standard objective laboratory testing to IEC60312 standards" No sense to comment to his videos. Answer is always the same: industry standard laboratory testing :D | ||
| Post# 387251 , Reply# 18 3/5/2018 at 06:10 (2,237 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Your horsepower power and tyre analogy is a good one Mike. I agree with a lot that Johnny says. He is correct a floor nozzle needs to be correctly designed to make full use of the airflow but you need high airflow in the first place. This is why Dysons and all multi cyclonic vacuums will struggle to deep.clean carpets because the airflow is restricted by the complicated air path.
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| Post# 387252 , Reply# 19 3/5/2018 at 06:16 (2,237 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387256 , Reply# 20 3/5/2018 at 08:43 (2,237 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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| Post# 387258 , Reply# 21 3/5/2018 at 09:01 (2,237 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Dyson said if I don't like it I can return it within 35 days for a full refund and they will collect. That's customer service for you 😊
I've seen Steve's videos Mike he seems to be quite impressed with it and he loves his V8. Yes I only have low pile carpet and hardfloors so hopefully I will be happy with it. 😊 | ||
| Post# 387259 , Reply# 22 3/5/2018 at 09:08 (2,237 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Post# 387261 , Reply# 23 3/5/2018 at 10:00 (2,237 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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airflow is meaningless? Anyone who says that obviously has no idea what they are talking about. I would challenge that person to plug in an electric power nozzle but don't attach it to a hose and try and clean the carpet. The nozzle will clog because the brush will remove the debris but there will be nothing to carry the dirt away. Mike | ||
| Post# 387262 , Reply# 24 3/5/2018 at 10:07 (2,237 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387264 , Reply# 25 3/5/2018 at 10:37 (2,237 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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Something more
Me:
Some facts about the airflow: Dyson DC40 1100 watts motor, airflow 55 cfm. Miele C3 1200 watts airflow empty bag 108 cfm, full bag 97 cfm. So Dyson is still very weak compared to the best bagged vacuums in the market. And yes this translate to the cleaning performance. He: Really don't know why you continue to fixate on airflow as though it's some valuable metric in and of itself, literally ignoring industry standard test data of actual measured cleaning performance—the only thing that counts and that all metrics lead to. This myth I've covered several times now in videos—even explicitly in this one; it's hard to tell if you've even watched/understood it. Please send formal industry standard test data and a detailed formalised evidence-supported explanation if you still feel the contrary because just repeating yourself is completely unconvincing and falling flat. And despite all this, there was plenty else raised in this video. Me: The Carpet and Rug Institute does not recommend a Dyson. To earn the CRI Seal of Approval certification, vacuums must pass the following independent laboratory tests: Soil removal — CRI uses NASA-enhanced x-ray fluorescence technology instead of traditional gravimetrix testing to measure the precise amount of soil removed from carpet — either 30 oz/sy commercial cut pile carpet or 30 oz/sy loop pile carpet. Dust containment — The vacuum must not release more than 100 micrograms of dust particles per cubic meter of air, keeping dirt and dust locked tight in the vacuum — not escaping back into the air where it can be breathed. Surface Appearance Change — The vacuum must not affect the texture of the commercial cut pile carpet (900 passes with sample rotated every 50 passes) more than a one-step change based on one year of normal vacuum use. He: Are you trying to make a point? No idea who the hell they are anyway. | ||
| Post# 387266 , Reply# 26 3/5/2018 at 10:50 (2,236 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387269 , Reply# 28 3/5/2018 at 11:02 (2,236 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387273 , Reply# 29 3/5/2018 at 11:20 (2,236 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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| Post# 387276 , Reply# 30 3/5/2018 at 11:45 (2,236 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
This is one of the reasons why I like central vacuums the best. All of the dirt would be taken OUT of your house and into the unit of either the garage or the basement without smelling the dirt when you vacuum. What's even better is adding exhaust pipes so all of the dust that would eventually make it past through the motor would be taken OUT of your house and the rain would later filter the air of all you have vacuumed up. Of course you would then eventually need to empty or change the bag once or twice a year, and of course you would also smell the dirt when you do maintenance but I find it much more sanitary than all of the other types of vacuums that I've used.
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| Post# 387277 , Reply# 31 3/5/2018 at 11:49 (2,236 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff) | ||
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Post# 387311 , Reply# 33 3/6/2018 at 00:32 (2,236 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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If you don't own the home-you can still use a central vac if you want to.Just purchase the unit and use it with the long hose.You can use the machi ne "Freestanding" I and other collectors here do this.Of course if you move you can take the vacuum with you. | ||
| Post# 387314 , Reply# 34 3/6/2018 at 01:48 (2,236 days old) by S2_82 (Ohio) | ||
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Would like to see how one would use a central vac "freestanding". Don't they need to be properly vented? .. Would it even be possible to use an electric hose to use a powerhead since you dont have the actual inlet (in the wall) plug installation? | ||
| Post# 387374 , Reply# 36 3/6/2018 at 19:49 (2,235 days old) by Jonthevacguy (Capitola, California) | ||
Bagged versus Bagless
Hi All, I'm new here : ). I'm not a fan of bagless vacs...I do refurbs and bagless vacs (dysons) are just
filthy inside. I just did a riccar n2000 with a nice hepa bag in it...it will stay very clean overall. The cyclone in a Dyson becomes so dirty...it's also difficult to clean versus putting in a new hepa bag. | ||
| Post# 387557 , Reply# 37 3/9/2018 at 09:03 (2,233 days old) by mariotron (Texas ) | ||
I saw him saying air flow didn't matter too. | ||
| Post# 387569 , Reply# 38 3/9/2018 at 10:39 (2,233 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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| Post# 387666 , Reply# 41 3/10/2018 at 05:36 (2,232 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
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Post# 387667 , Reply# 42 3/10/2018 at 06:34 (2,232 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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I have some Vac-yum deodorizers-they also work well and won't damage vacuums. | ||
| Post# 387735 , Reply# 43 3/10/2018 at 20:56 (2,231 days old) by compactc9guy (Bathurst NB) | ||
Baggggs only please
Thats why i love my Compact C9 vacuum open bag design when full trow away put a fresh paper bag and no smell. at all. and i have a cat . My vacuum are all bag .Electrolux and Compact and 1 ShopVac , i had 2 bagless what a pain in the rear bumper to empty and clog filters a, Bissels clean view II and a Kenmore EVO Bagless that every thing broke on it. No thank you i l stick to a bagged machine empty is easy put a fresh bag and voila no smell no dirt no mess no fuss .I had a bad experience whit my bag less so i prefer bag.My opinion
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| Post# 387748 , Reply# 44 3/10/2018 at 23:43 (2,231 days old) by Mike811 (Finland) | ||
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This is enough for me to convince how much better the bagged vacuums are.
Much more airflow. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Mike811's LINK
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