Thread Number: 36078
/ Tag: 50s/60s/70s Vacuum Cleaners
Dual Sanitronic disassembly Question ? |
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Post# 386934 , Reply# 1   2/28/2018 at 18:16 (2,245 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth)   |   | |
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There is a special tool to lock the armature, but if you don't have that an ice pick or awl will work.
Put an ice pick in the hole in the armature inside the motor housing to lock it in place (as you turn the armature the ice pick will rest against the motor housing) then take another ice pick and place it in the hole in the pulley shaft and turn it clockwise to unscrew the fan and pulley off of the armature. |
Post# 386936 , Reply# 3   2/28/2018 at 19:44 (2,245 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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I think I sent pics explained but I think it didn't go through.
On bottom right of vacuum is opening. Inside hole you can see blades of Armiture. In the middle of Armiture right below and when I say below 1/2inch at the most is a hole. Some people use a screwdriver with really small hex bit. I've busted 3 bits doing this. I've also tried hole punch this broke as well. I finally got ice pick and put in hole. You keep the Pic in the hole to stop the Armiture shaft from moving. While keeping Pic in place rotate fan counter clockwise. Once it pops so you can loosen by hand pull up on the fan separating from bearing plate. It should come up about 1 inch or more. Once you pop it up off bearing plate you can spin it off think of wheel of fortune spin and it keeps spinning on its own until it comes off. Keep track of bearings and how they are position. So when you reinstall fan you do correctly. With fan removed take out Pic and in the same hole use a screwdriver and pop off bearing plate. Again there is a bearing built into bearing plate on Armiture side. To tap out bearing in plate I'd say use top of fan impeller but empellor is built into fan. Use a small socket to pop out. It may not come out. Before you take out Armiture take caps off and take out carbon brushes. Once brushes are out pull upwards on Armiture shaft and it's out. It will have bearings on bottom of Armiture. I have bearing removal tool take off bearing and repack it. In bottom of motor housing is 2 washers a flat one and washer kind of looks like propeller in plane. Circular with three notches reminds me of a propeller. When you put these back in grease these too because Armiture spins on these washers and alot of friction. When you reinstall everything install carbon brushes last and last I mean after Installing fan. Might be same process or a little different but I've taken apart and put back together about 6 in last month or two. Hope this helps Les |
Post# 386943 , Reply# 4   2/28/2018 at 20:45 (2,245 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX)   |   | |
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Les, The fan has reverse threads so it has to be turned clockwise (when facing the front of the fan) to loosen it. The reason for reverse threading is to prevent loosening of the fan in normal operation. |
Post# 386944 , Reply# 5   2/28/2018 at 21:54 (2,245 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 386961 , Reply# 6   3/1/2018 at 12:06 (2,244 days old) by jpsbgt (Oregon )   |   | |
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Thanks fellas for the tip ! |
Post# 387015 , Reply# 7   3/2/2018 at 12:55 (2,243 days old) by jpsbgt (Oregon )   |   | |
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Thanks I succeeded in removing fan, unscrewed the fan bearing plate but couldn’t get the armature to move a bit ? Can anyone tell me what to do next ? |
Post# 387021 , Reply# 8   3/2/2018 at 14:01 (2,243 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth)   |   | |
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Post# 387022 , Reply# 9   3/2/2018 at 14:18 (2,243 days old) by jpsbgt (Oregon )   |   | |
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Will do thanks |
Post# 387032 , Reply# 11   3/2/2018 at 16:58 (2,243 days old) by dysonman1 (the county)   |   | |
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Put a screwdriver into the opening in the casting, the same opening in which you inserted the ice pic into the armature. Rest the screwdriver on the rear of the bearing plate, and tap with hammer. That will move the armature and bearing plate forward enough to remove from machine. This of course is AFTER you remove fan and bearing plate screws.
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Post# 387048 , Reply# 12   3/2/2018 at 20:17 (2,243 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 387049 , Reply# 13   3/2/2018 at 20:21 (2,243 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 387094 , Reply# 15   3/3/2018 at 13:48 (2,242 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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He got bearing plate off Armiture is stuck in the bottom bearing. Again don't hammer.
Here is a question Armiture blades on 510 I used hammered move up and down I also bent Armiture fan I have straightened leveled fixing that but is there a fix for armiture blades moving up and down. I'm sure u can tackle weld put metal screw hold into place but any real solutions. Thanks les |
Post# 387163 , Reply# 17   3/3/2018 at 23:15 (2,242 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 387178 , Reply# 18   3/4/2018 at 08:25 (2,241 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth)   |   | |
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I think what Dysonman1 was saying was to put the bearing plate back on the armature, then screw the fan back on the shaft with the pulley ( just finger tight or enough to hold it in place ) then tap on the bearing plate from the underside.
If your fan is the gray plastic do NOT tap on it as it will probably crumble, that's why you would need the bearing plate under the fan. Once the armature starts to come out you can take off the pulley, fan and bearing plate and then pull out the armature. |
Post# 387194 , Reply# 19   3/4/2018 at 12:00 (2,241 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Maybe but the shaft to Armiture is still top of Armiture. It doesn't matter top or bottom of Armiture don't hit it period. If bearing plate needs to come off the Area you have holes where you take fan off you put in screwdriver in different locations of hole tapping different locations of bearing plate it will pop it off
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Post# 387195 , Reply# 20   3/4/2018 at 12:46 (2,241 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Maybe but the shaft to Armiture is still top of Armiture. It doesn't matter top or bottom of Armiture don't hit it period. If bearing plate needs to come off the Area you have holes where you take fan off you put in screwdriver in different locations of hole tapping different locations of bearing plate it will pop it off
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Post# 387214 , Reply# 23   3/4/2018 at 16:50 (2,241 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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If you can get bearing behind bearing plate I'd repack. Spray bearings with a degreaser if there is any built up on metal use steel wood. I'd clean off Armiture with a cleaner that doesn't hurt electrical. If you have a commuter stone clean copper and metal plate pieces on Armiture. Remove field housing use non electrical cleaner.
Dysonman was right on hammer I misread sorry Les |
Post# 387220 , Reply# 24   3/4/2018 at 17:15 (2,241 days old) by jpsbgt (Oregon )   |   | |
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Thanks guys ! Pretty excited ! Can you suggest where to buy parts for D50, set up a bench grinder today to start polishing the aluminum parts, this is getting addicting ? |
Post# 387224 , Reply# 26   3/4/2018 at 17:48 (2,241 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX)   |   | |
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Duh, D50! Hate that I cannot edit posts... |
Post# 387225 , Reply# 27   3/4/2018 at 17:55 (2,241 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 387260 , Reply# 28   3/5/2018 at 09:50 (2,240 days old) by jpsbgt (Oregon )   |   | |
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Where do you get the LED headlight bulb ? |
Post# 387282 , Reply# 29   3/5/2018 at 15:28 (2,240 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 387296 , Reply# 30   3/5/2018 at 20:01 (2,240 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX)   |   | |
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Jack, your D50 uses older style bearings, Kirby # 1160 for front, 1155 for the rear. These fit models from 505 to S7. Kirbyneeds had them for about $12 each. |
Post# 387312 , Reply# 31   3/6/2018 at 00:36 (2,240 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 387322 , Reply# 32   3/6/2018 at 08:19 (2,239 days old) by bikerray (Middle Earth)   |   | |
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Post# 387345 , Reply# 33   3/6/2018 at 14:59 (2,239 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Post# 387513 , Reply# 36   3/8/2018 at 10:58 (2,237 days old) by jpsbgt (Oregon )   |   | |
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Thanks again I might just put some tape over the lens when I polish the hood...jack |
Post# 387552 , Reply# 37   3/9/2018 at 00:36 (2,237 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)   |   | |
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Like quadruple tape it be safe maybe tape off inch around so you don't come close to it. You can sand polish and buff area by light by hand. I would only get wet rag and wipe off the lens don't want to discolor it.
It does get addicting restoring vacuums. I started off with a classic N omega and a tradition. I took all 3 apart and I cleaned everything up they looked real nice. The 3 vacuums all are different and I thought were all the same. Needless to say in the end I ruined all 3. I didn't assemble correct I messed up and that is why tradition and classic I dislike. I can take apart and put back together every model from 505 to legend 2. I can do g series just not as versed as other vacuums. I can take a d80 full tear down pack bearings clean motor housing basically tune up and clean a d80 in hour or less. I'm pretty well versed with 505 to 512. I'm just not an expert on the toggle switch or handle spring assembly. I have had or still have 505 508 2 510s 560 562 sanitronic 7 d50 d80 classic omega heritage heritage 2 classic 2 classic 3 heritage 2/legend 2 g3 g4 g6 2 sentrias diamond ultimate the other g series deluxe. I've downsized sold and cut collection to 7 vacuums. I can only say one vacuum at a time. Keep magnetic tray to hold screws and buy bosch bits for screwdriver. Long story short I've learned a lot and had lots of help graining great friends. I'm not the most knowledgeable but I'm getting better. Kirby has a CD with repair manuals from 505 to d80. I also have a parts diagram and parts number for 505 to sentria which come in handy. Well I'm typed out. Les |